Weekend Open Thread – 08/28/2016

by | Aug 29, 2016 | Articles | 18 comments

Corbett Report members VoiceOfArabi and archives2001 and bob_fergus recently raised the idea of a weekly or monthly thread for directed conversation on a specific topic. In the interest of keeping the discussion as open as possible, let’s try a weekend open thread. Feel free to raise any topics, ask any questions, or direct people to any materials you think are relevant.

Some possibilities for discussion from recent comments include:

  • mpradio‘s tip about “Operation Plugged In,” the Brookhaven Police Department’s idea to “implement a voluntary video surveillance camera system with residents and businesses throughout the city.” (What could go wrong?)
  • BuddhaForce‘s always valuable help in digging up source documents about the banning of the old lodge doctor system and the institution of the AMA monopoly.
  • Octium‘s discovery of “Alternative 3,” an obscure piece of predictive programming from the 70s that I’ve had my eye on for years now.

…or anything else that’s on your mind this weekend.

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18 Comments

  1. Honestly I don’t think I can add anything meaningful to this discussion. I did read your referenced link Mohawk but I just don’t understand economics. I’ve actually been planing to still my mind enough to comprehend Jame’s “Century of Enslavement” piece this very day.

    But this is something I’ve heard about regarding criminality in banking and how Iceland is dealing with it…

    “This Is Where Bad Bankers Go to Prison”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-03-31/welcome-to-iceland-where-bad-bankers-go-to-prison
    – “Iceland is the only nation that put top finance executives behind bars after the 2008 crisis. Still, fears of crony capitalism remain.”
    Published March 30, 2016

    I’m sure you all are already aware of all that but I wanted to get at least something in to this new threaded conversation idea. I hope it catches on.

    Cheers,
    Tote My Note

    • Thank you, Mohawk. To my surprise my local library has three copies of the book you suggested, G. Edward Griffin’s “Creature from Jekyll Island”. I’m picking it up later this week.

      Oh and edit>>>
      I did enjoy Jame”s Fed documentary. I am watching it once though to more fully grasp all in the info in it. I also plan to print out the pamphlet to share with others

  2. That sounds good to me, VoiceOfArabi. Lets see where it takes us.

  3. archives2001, Here are a few of my thoughts…
    – Helicopter Money –
    I think that there are covert ways to deliver helicopter money.

    – Oil –
    For example, oil prices have declined to a very low range ($45 +/- barrel). The difference between the lower oil prices and the once $100 barrel prices is money that companies and people are not now spending towards oil products (gas, plastics, etc.). So, doing the math of the U.S. using about 19 million barrels a day, perhaps 950 million a day is not being spent by oil consuming entities.

    Also, I think there are other ways “they” deliver “punch” for the economy.
    We had the student loan craze go crazy. Huge amount.
    Now Real Estate is extremely inflated in the U.S.

    Another Corbett subscriber had recommended this video.
    It is really good.
    “97% Owned” – Economic Truth documentary
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcGh1Dex4Yo

    • I agree completely on #1 and #2. …and the buying up of assets for cheap. I follow the oil market often. Also, #3 there is the huge amounts in loan money / investment money behind the oil industry which is stressed. This loan money/investment fund money along with derivatives is another character in the mix concerning the energy markets.

      At the first of 2016, the U.S. government changed the rules on valuating the oil reserves owned/leased by oil companies. Away went the inflated values for their company’s assets on getting loans.

      Saudi Arabia isn’t really hurting that badly compared to other entities, because they pump oil at a cost of around $5-$10 a barrel.

      This whole charade is a win win win for the mega banks and Big Oil and keeping the economy propped.

      Personally, I don’t think they intend to suddenly crash the economy, just gradually suffocate the average person into more strained servitude. “On a gradual basis” is often their modus operandi.

    • Thanks for the link to the video “97% Owned” – Economic Truth documentary, HomeRemedySupply. It is really good.

      It’s in the description of it but wanted to post that there is also a sequel…
      Princes of the Yen: Central Bank Truth Documentary 『円の支配者』…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY

  4. jmg,
    I don’t know much about Sheehan. I will check him out. I know these folks (Null & Sheehan) are slated in New York on September 10th & 11th.
    http://www.eventbrite.com/e/justice-in-focus-911-2016-a-weekend-symposium-in-nyc-tickets-26718651205

    My favorite person is William F Pepper who will be there on September 11th. I admire the hell out of William Pepper!!!!
    (90 seconds)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAk9AdnYm68

    There are some uncomfortable things about Gary Null’s personality/character which are not widely known unless you have had interactions with him personally. For me personally, I will never do business with him.

    • HomeRemedySupply,
      Oh yeah man I love watching William F Pepper’s lectures on 9/11. Here the is for a just under a hour in 2006…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXgPnaQKcyw

      I feel pretty certain all of us here are aware of the info given by him there but I just can’t resist any 9/11 Truth lectures. I’m looking forward to watching anything posted of the one coming up.

  5. I don’t know about the Banksters wanting to create growth or productivity. The fact is that when they create inflation they do so by increasing the currency supply; and those who spend this new currency first get the most value for it. That’s one way they loot us, in addition to the interest we pay.

  6. First ran across Sheehan looking back at the La Penca bombing. He’s an interesting person to say the least, seems to pop up in lots of major historical situations (water gate, iran contra, etc). Don’t agree with all of his historical interpretations but he’s well worth a listen.

    You can find more videos here:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/RomeroInstitute/videos

  7. Hi Mandela

    Of course, banksters want to get bigger piece. But the same stands for every entrepreneur, capitalist and somehow this is not seen as a problem.
    Banksters have accumulated enormous wealth which gives them enormous power and this is a big problem. Their wealth is the root of the problem.
    At the end of the day, banksters are just capitalists making business with commodity called Money. Money should not be a commodity, but it is nowadays. They also invented other games like Stock exchanges, short selling, derivatives….everything that facilitates their pillage. Almost risk free, sweet dreams of every capitalist.
    Underneath the current financial crises, there is in fact the crisis of capitalism.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HTkEBIoxBA

    Property is Theft (Proudhon), especially big property, big wealth. You can’t steal forever, sooner or later the day will come, when there won’t be anything left to steal.

    • State is a tool to get and maintain the Power. It’s logical that banksters, with all the power they have, will also get control of the state, to some extent. The more control of the state someone gets, the more tyrannical the state becomes. Just look at Nazi or Bolshevik case.

      Regarding entrepreneurs, I think there is a kind of delusion about them. Usually you hear Entrepreneurs are: hardworking, worthy, deserving, diligent… On the other hand Capitalists are: crony, exploitative, predatory….

      Entrepreneurs have a business idea and they materialize the idea in a company they own. Entrepreneurs are Capitalists at the same time.
      But properties of one are almost completely the opposite of the other. Strange? Not really. Definitions of terms are distorted, twisted, like a lot of things nowadays. Entrepreneur/Capitalist must have all properties I mentioned above, otherwise is doomed. Excellent example is Bill Gates(MS-DOS) and Gary Kildall(CP/M).

      Why I think that this is important?
      Some people say let there be a debt-jubilee and we will have a restart…and all the problems will be gone. Whoever understands how monetary system works knows that without changing the system nothing will truly change.

      But changing just monetary system is not enough. It is not just monetary predators that are sucking the poor. Third world countries are particularly good example. There it is obvious that current system brings only the worst to them while benefits are exported abroad, to the owners.

      Stealing Africa – Why Poverty?
      http://bit.ly/25ylubE

      It’s similar for centuries. When you look at the whole World, people mostly didn’t get anything from capitalism. Net benefit is negative for majority of the people. I think we should not allow our selfs compartmentalized thinking.

      Another excellent documentary about Jamaica.
      Life and Debt (2001)

  8. Hi archives2001,

    I think we already have globalized QE, all central banks are relentlessly printing money, one way or another. Ok, looks like FED made a pause, but they “work hard” before, for decades.

    I think QE is here primarily to facilitate equity grabbing and to lesser extent to prevent system collapse, even to lesser extent to really help the Real economy.

    Helicopter money is also money printing, like QE, just recipient might be someone else.
    I think helicopter money would work perfectly (not for people) through Guaranteed Basic Income. They are floating Basic income idea for quite a while, recently there was a referendum in Switzerland.

    Once, when ‘Shit hits the Fan’ Basic income would be perfect for calming down the masses. No cash, Basic income, Total Control.

    QE for pillage to get control of resources, Basic income for control of people –> NWO

  9. The most powerful message I received in a very long time was James’ suggestion in New World Next Week that those of us who dare to ask questions aren’t NEARLY as isolated, marginalized and alone as we are conditioned to believe we are. Evidence of this appeared in the comments to CBC internet “News” this weekend…. commenting was allowed on just two “news” stories….. the vast majority of comments ignored the “story” and dealt with censorship.

    Public sentiment is moving away from mainstream. The trick is to build on this momentum. Some catalyzing event or personality might come along. If that personality is already here, how much momentum will be tolerated before the crucifixion?

    If the Dark Side can have their “new Pearl Harbour”, can the rebels not have one of their own? What would that look like? When civilizations meet, historically, it has been the one with the biggest stick rather than the biggest brain that calls the shots…has it not?

    Damn. Have I talked myself out of my fleeting moment of optimism?

    I can’t help myself from wondering if the New Energy Infrastructure is similar to the Pyramids (we, of course, are the slaves). Oil would peak if we were allowed our freedom and the Powers-that-shouldn’t-be can’t allow us to burn all their energy. The Georgia Guidestones suggest 6.5 billion of us will need to go. I think we will be made to do so AFTER the energy infrastructure is built. Another critical piece is having machines that can service these machines. Some future archeologists amongst the descendants of the half billion who will receive the vaccination against the virus will marvel at the remains of our cities with much the same wonder we feel for the Pyramids of Egypt.

  10. repay, I agree and appreciate your comments except where you mention Sandy Hook. Not that I know but I tend to think it was a “real” event. No point in hashing it out here though I guess.

    Gladio is something I’m just delving into by watching the interviews with Sibel Edmonds here at the CR and reading her book.

  11. I am not sure if leading this new kind of thread in any direction is correct but since it’s the first and the topic is not exacting I thought this may be of interest here.

    http://www.press.org/events/sen-bob-graham-discuss-classified-documents-detailing-saudi-involvement-911-plot
    -“Sen. Bob Graham to discuss classified documents detailing Saudi Involvement in 9/11 Plot”.
    This is happening today.

    One quote from the article stood out to me…
    “Since leaving the Senate, Graham has spoken frequently about empowering citizens to be active participants rather than tranquil spectators. This is the subject of a soon-to-be-released book co-authored with Chris Hand entitled America, the Owner’s Manual: You Can Fight City Hall – and Win.”

    The “tranquil spectators” he cites, while not Orwellian, is still a unique description of a apathetic population. And, I can’t help myself, I wonder how he explains to “fight city hall” in the coming book.

    The article also quotes that he will discuss what “still needs to be learned nearly 15 years after the 9/11 attack.”

    Until I found all of you and saw the “28 Pages Debunked” episode https://www.corbettreport.com/debunking-the-28-pages/ I thought it was going to be the real deal. I followed any information I could find about it for several years. I was so disappointed at what it turned out to be. And yet, I still want to believe Graham actually stands for something. Surely not agorism but, something.


    On a side note I would like to propose we do a future month’s topic or even for Jame’s to do a episode about April Glaspie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie and her role in the lead up to the first gulf war. That role was only a tiny news blip but to me, significant. It would be so interesting if she could somehow be interviewed.

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