They're STILL After Your Fingerprints! - #PropagandaWatch

12/23/201912 Comments

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Remember when we looked at J. Edgar Hoover's lame attempt to get the public to voluntarily send in their fingerprints to the FBI back in 1937? Well guess what? They're baaaaaaack, and they're at the post office this time. Find out about the FBI's latest stupid attempt to steal your fingerprints on this week's edition of #PropagandaWatch.


First they came for your fingerprints...

The FBI Teams Up With The Post Office To Get Your Fingerprints

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  1. This is very interesting considering that the DMV (Department of Motor Vehicles) requires that you provide your thumbprint when you get a driver’s license or ID card.
    And virtually every adult in the country has one of those two things, because the system is structured in such a way that you virtually cannot live in the society (outside of vagrancy) without one.
    I would think the FBI has full access to that DMV thumbprint database.

    • manbearpig says:

      Well, I’m thinking there’s the fact of having the information which is, of course, important

      but there’s the fact of normalizing the gesture of giving your finger print that’s arguably as important… for you, so your kids can see you do it and everyone else doing it, more and more often as the pretexts for demanding your biometric data are thought up with ever more imagination…

      opening cell phones, accessing offices, social services, signing loans, paying for bread, entering games…

      until we aren’t having this discussion anymore…

      • Yeah, that was my first thought too; some kind of psyop (probing, conditioning or other).
        I guess it could also be that they actually do want fingerprints though (index, middle, ring), in addition to the thumbprints.

        • manbearpig says:

          Yea. Reminds me this:

          “MIT grad student Joy Buolamwini was working with facial analysis software when she noticed a problem: the software didn’t detect her face — because the people who coded the algorithm hadn’t taught it to identify a broad range of skin tones and facial structures. Now she’s on a mission to fight bias in machine learning, a phenomenon she calls the “coded gaze.” It’s an eye-opening talk about the need for accountability in coding … as algorithms take over more and more aspects of our lives.

          About the speaker
          Joy Buolamwini · Poet of code

          Joy Buolamwini’s research explores the intersection of social impact technology and inclusion.”

          Early 2017, even before we’ve had the opportunity to determine whether facial recognition itself is ethical

          TED is “fighting bias” and making facial recoginition “inclusive”.

          “Poets of Code” valiantly defending The Need for Accountability in Coding.

          It’s all so progressive and politically correct!

          • Excellent example of presenting a manufactured dilemma to fill the dilemma slot that the real dilemma would have filled.
            Just like the manufactured self-driving cars safety dilemma that James drew attention to.
            Though this facial recognition one is even more nauseating and intelligence insulting.

  2. NES says:

    I had a great laugh going through the comments. Very funny stuff. Thanks, James. I went through most all of them.

    One caught my eye. It was redacted. Context of the original comment was a guy saying he already had his fingerprints taken by the DOD, NSA, etc. for work and if the FBI wanted them now they should get a warrant. The response, meant to be ugly, read OK, BOOMER (misspelled, of course). Behind that comment was another one from a different person that simply asked, Millennial? It was redacted but the BOOMER comment was not. Typical of Twitter.

  3. geisha says:

    As ‘alien’ I was finger printed (each finger rolled almost 360 degr) and my eyes were photographed very carefully, all the way back then. So, I’m on file and my body can be properly disposed of should the need be. I guess filing my ID is much more understandable than doing this to ones own law-abiding citizens. As ‘alien’ I had to provide a detailed police report from my own country for my first US visa, which I do understand. I also was vaccinated as much as the law required as prerequisite for my greencard status. After all, I spent decades in the US already and you never know what people I was hanging out with. But that’s what one needs to do if one chooses to stay in another country. No idea how this is handled by other ‘Western’ countries.

    What makes much less sense to me is that people voluntarily give away their DNA (and even pay for it) and voluntarily give up the remainder of their private info. There are still many more of those less concerned people than those concerned; as with all ‘controversial’ topics incl. people who don’t mind at all to be surveilled 24/7 by 5G equipped LED lights, their Alexas, Siris, smart appliances, or Ring door openers. People don’t seem to care. Their convenience and ignorance outweighs any concerns. And industries, like telecom or their regulatory agencies, don’t make it easy to stay informed.

    Thank you for your thorough reporting. I could never pull all this information together myself!

    • cooly says:


      Me too. A few years back I had to submit to having all of my fingerprints taken to get a security clearance for a job I used to have. So I’m fucked as well. If they start going after apathetic, drunk anarchists I don’t stand a chance. They could frame me for a grisly triple murder in Bisbee.

      Anyway, to the Corbett crowd this cheery nonsense season, kukelure.

  4. gbbatman3 says:

    My IDENTICAL twin sister sent in her DNA to 23 and me to make sure she/we are German (my parents both immigrated from Germany in the early 60’s). I told her why I don’t think it’s a good idea, blah blah, but she never takes my advice. She thinks I’m a conspiracy nut because I started to question everything (tlav) about 10 years ago (all started with Michael Ruppert’s documentary “Collapse”). I can’t even talk to her about anything that is important anymore. Its crazy that we are so different because she shares half of my DNA!

  5. Libertydan says:

    OK, I admit it, I got busted in 1973 for a gram of Marijuana (1/28 oz) and I got finger printed. When I when to court, with what I thought was a good Attorney, and got a year probation whereby the Record was to be expunged after one year of no farther encounters with the enforcers, I thought it was all behind me.
    Anyway, 40 some years later, I am going into Canada at Windsor, ON, and they tell me to pull over (I think they had a problem with one of my bumper stickers). I go into the interrogation center and they ask if I have ever been arrested. Well, with a 44 year old expunged violation for something that is now legal from coast to coast across Canada I feel safe to say ‘No” (perhaps, “I didn’t inhale” would have been a better answer, eh)
    So, they make me wait around for while, then they call me back to the counter where I am told that I wasn’t Honest with them. They found out that I had been arrested and….
    Well, I says, I didn’t think your records went back that far. That was 1973! Then, I continued to say, do you know what that arrest was for? It was for one gram of a substance that is legal from coast to coast here in Canada now. As the Canadian Customs Agent was now back on his heals he says, “It’s not us, it’s the FBI”. With that, an older wench (Customs Agent) at the counter looks over at him like, “you could get fired for letting that cat out of the bag”.
    So there you have it, the FBI had placed my 1973 arrest which was promised to be expunged, on Interpol, and 44 years later it was still there. Wow! with government agencies like that, who needs enemies.

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