The Orlando Shooting: An Open Source Investigation

06/13/2016221 Comments

Over 50 people are dead after a shooting at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida on Sunday night.

The shooter has been identified as Omar Mateen, a 29 year old resident of Fort Pierce, Florida. Mateen was a Muslim, a registered Democrat, and a legal gun owner.

In the bingo card of suspicious events, we can check off:

-Mateen allegedly took time out of the carnage to phone 911 and declare his allegiance to I-CIA-SIS.

-He was previously known to the FBI who was "on the radar before"

-Mateen's father hosts a show broadcast from California in which he praises the Taliban and recently posted a YouTube video announcing his candidacy for Afghan president...a year after the last election took place.

But as information continues to pour in it's up to all of us to help collect the data. If you have any relevant news or information about the shooting and the way the investigation is proceeding, please share them in the comments below.

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  1. Corbett says:

    Why don’t I start things off here. This clip is making the rounds on Twitter:

    It shows ABC News coverage of the event with an interview of someone I presume is being presented as a survivor/witness. He starts to talk about how someone was holding the door closed preventing people from escaping and then is suddenly “cut off.”

    Does anyone have any more info on this clip, i.e. who is the man being interviewed, was he suggesting an accomplice, etc.? It would be nice to have full context as one person is claiming that they got the witness right back on the line and he continued his story:

    Another explained that it was clubgoers who managed to escape who barricaded the door behind them in order to get out:

    Do we have anything to back up or refute these claims?

    • jmp says:

      This is a video of a survivor who played dead for 3 hours while trapped in the bathroom with the shooter and other hostages and dead victims.

      He claims the shooter talked to someone he knew and said that he was the 4th shooter. The shooter believed there were 3 other shooters, snipers who were outside that would shoot at the police when they arrived.

      If this is what he believed then he either has a good imagination or he was part of a much bigger plot but the snipers didn’t show up as he thought they would.

      I am here in Orlando and they played this on the radio here.

      • RobinHood77 says:

        Dear jmp,

        Thanks for your post. Since you are in the local area, I was wondering if it’s possible to get reports from the local hospitals to see if there was a big influx of wounded people from the attack. Some people say it’s all a hoax but actual records from hospitals would be proof to the contrary.

        • jmp says:

          In the first day after the shooting the hospital was on lockdown because there were so many wounded they couldn’t take any more. I heard that on the radio, XL106.7 and that the hospital was using apartment space adjacent to the hospital as well because they needed the room.

          One of the radio personalities is friends with some of the medical staff at the hospital and she made some comments that her medical friends told her how overwhelmed they were with the sheer number of victims.

          I listen to the station daily for over a year now. They were also some of the first ones who would talk about the reports of someone helping the shooter. I believe the radio personalities are being honest especially the young lady who is friends with the medical staff.

          The radio personalities were familiar with Pulse and some of the regulars there, some of whom did not survive. There are a number of people who were well known in their circles and people are stepping forward and talking about them the way one would talk about a lost friend. Disney and Universal employees, medical personnel, several individuals who really were standouts in their circles. These people were not made up, they really did get killed.

          I believe the shootings were real but there are some parts that do not add up. See my posts lower on the page. Several witnesses talk about a helper to the shooter and corroborate the “snipers outside” comments by the shooter. These comments were made by the shooter speaking on the phone to someone he knew.

          I am going out on a limb here and hypothesizing, perhaps there were supposed to be snipers to provide cover so he could escape and lo and behold they never arrived just like the help never arrived at the Bay of Pigs. Perhaps he was just drunk and completely deranged. He was known for showing up and getting extremely drunk and belligerent.

          “Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent,” Ty Smith said. Orlando Sentinel

          Add in the fact that this guy was 3 times under FBI surveillance, he was on their radar and so was the Boston Bombers and we know what happened to them. They got blamed for something they didn’t do. This guy might have been duped into an operation though

    • n.riva1989 says:

      Hey James! I’ve been following your work for years now, and you’ve inspired me to start my own Youtube Channel. This latest attack and the general publics reaction is too much for me now. I’m getting off the bench and into the game. I just made a video with my response to the Orlando shooting I hope you and the other members of this community will like it and subscribe to my new channel. Again, Ive been following you for years and I think its time for me to throw my hat into the game. Here’s the link to the the video. I urge everyone to share this video and help me get my Youtube Channel off the ground. Thanks you James you have truly been an inspiration.

      • Eve says:

        Nathan Riva, you have presented an awesome analysis of the Orlando terrorism event and others like it. Americans absolutely must gain an education and understand these terrorist groups or these events will only continue to get worse.

      • Eve says:

        Nathan, you answered crucial questions; who is ISIS, who is ISIL, “Al-CIAda”, who funds these terrorist groups and why are we being destroyed as a nation from within? And now we know that one of their transportation sources is G4S. Job well done. Good to see young people paying attention and accurately articulating conclusions based on sound research and solid factual evidence! Kudos to you!

      • isemand says:

        Seems YouTube is not happy with your take. I am currently on an extremely fast connection and your video refuses to buffer, however any other video I try to play works just fine. Anyone else with this issue?

      • VoiceOfArabi says:

        Hi Nathan, you seem to have the high level picture correct… It took me many years to figure out, and you have reached that conclusion at such a young age… Well done..

        you have a very promising future… Always follow the money… The Golden Rule… The man with the Gold rules…

        p.s. from a regional point of view.. Sunni, Shia’a, alawait, Yezedi, etc are all different sects of Islam, but they all follow the same book with minor differences… which means, they are all open to extremism.. But today, Sunni Islam have more extremists because Saudi Arabia Funds people to be extremist. Imagine ISIS to be equivalent of Blackwater (guns for hire) for Saudi…

        This, as you clearly stated, was design and created by CIA with Saudi funds back in the ’80 in Afghanistan..

      • MarkAustralia says:

        Nice vid n.riva1989 with good content on destabilization, but:
        1. It was not a ‘terrorist’ attack as it is being spun. He’s a Muslim but purportedly not a ‘religious’ one. Just because someone who is affiliated with a certain group of radicals claims responsibility, doesn’t mean they had anything to do with it. The media did the same thing in the Australian ‘chocolate shop’ situation.
        2. There are hardly ‘open borders’ in America.
        3. This was not a case of an angry refugee (easily) emigrating to America, then going ‘radical’. Neither was this the case in Paris.

        • tgmolitor says:

          Hey Mark, I assume you live in Australia? Since Orlando will spark a national heated discussion on gun control (as it always does, and most certainly will with this being an election year),we in the US sometimes hear about how Australia “solved the problem” after enacting strict gun laws after the Port Arthur Massacre in 1996. As an Australian, could you speak a little about this event and how much the US perception of this event is either false or true? Thanks!

          • Tammy Tapes II says:

            Hello tgmolitor,
            I live in Australia. Thank you for asking about the Port Arthur Massacre (1996). There are many things in the official version of this event which do not add up. It warrants an open source investigation in its own right! I draw your attention to an ebook (which you’ll find free online) by Carl Wernerhoff (2006) entitled ‘What’s Going On? A Critical Study of the Port Arthur Massacre’. See
            I believe the US and in fact the global perception of this event is false.

          • paul823 says:


            I’m in Aus as well and the disarmament has done nothing to increase our safety IMO. There are still plenty of shootings here, not as much as in the U.S. of course but then I don’t think we ever had open slather access to weapons in the same way or of the same type. The crooks and government (same thing?)will always have access to weapons while the average citizen will not. Even with the current level of restrictions here there are still people calling for even tighter gun controls. People who live their lives in fear of everything and want the government to guarantee their safety instead of being ‘allowed’ to take responsibility for it themselves. We are the biggest police/nanny-state on the planet IMO. They even dictate what temperature out hot water can be (and I mean that literally, it’s 50c in case you were wondering. :)).

          • ktsworker says:

            RESEARCH ARTICLE: GUN LAWS AND SUDDEN DEATH: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?

            In short, “There is insufficient evidence to support the simple premise that reducing the stockpile of licitly held civilian firearms will result in a reduction in either firearm or overall sudden death rates.”

            “Assault by firearm actually went up per Source of data: Mouzos 2001.”

            “The ARIMA model did not predict firearm homicide as well as it did for firearm suicide
            Based on these tests, it can be concluded that the National Firearms Agreement (1996) had no effect on firearm homicide in Australia.”


      • Mohawk Man says:

        Riva, it makes me have hope when I see a young man of your generation that has woken up and see what these evil souls are doing. I hope others of your age can do the same because you’re needed. The Banksters and their paid help statist’s as in The Pension Patrols occupy most fed/state/city dominions. It’s truly sad. They can’t be awoken because they’re paid not to or if they are aware it would cost them too much. You have much needed passion and a true truth movement about you. Keep it up and I’ll look for updates although I don’t subscribe to you tube channels (requires gmail account which I will not do). We are dealing with literal psychopathology on a grand scale and these Godless elites will do ANYTHING to get this done and I’m afraid they know we’re onto their game so they will take another approach which many be unthinkable. Look into Greater Israel and you’ll answer many of your questions about these wars and conflict. Now this has gone worldwide and not just here and parts of Europe. Doing these things simultaneously in Sweden, Germany, France, England, Scotland, Australia, Canada and here in the U.S.A among others. That takes a lot of money..big time. Trillions and I don’t believe most are escaping war torn nations–although some may be. I believe they’re being paid to come to these places. Someone is flying them and using the rails and UPS and Fed Ex planes to transport them all over. Also look at eugenics as that is their religion and it drives them. Also look at Barbara Lerner Spector re: Sweden and the whole of Europe and her sister is here.

        Mr. Schmidt and Mr. Cohen don’t seem to take to your video as it keeps loading–hint..just fast forward or back a tick and it’ll work eventually but several attempts in between is required. I just grabbed the stopped part and dragged it back or forward a bit. I was able to see it all. Good job.

        Be well, my brother.

        Love One Another

        The Mohawk

      • RobinHood77 says:

        Dear N.Riva, Mostly good stuff. I enjoyed your informative exposition of the facts. One detail though was a bit off. You clumped the Sunnis into the radicals. All Sunnis are not radicals. The majority of soldiers in the Syrian army who are fighting ISIS are Sunnis. Yes most terrorists are Sunnis (backed by Saudi Arabia) but not all Sunnis are terrorists. Other than this detail, well done.

    • RobinHood77 says:

      Dear James,
      I love the open source investigations. Is there a way we can check on updates without having to search through every comment every time? The way it is set up now, I know there are more comments from the comments number on top, but don’t know where the comments are because they are not chronologically listed(except by date and time) and are often replies to former comments. So sometimes the most recent comments are hidden in the middle of the thread. Can this be adjusted? Thanks for all you do.

      • Corbett says:

        Thank you for the question, RobinHood77. I can either sort the comments as they are, chronologically ordered but with nested discussions, or I can sort them strictly chronologically. That would mean replies would not appear in a thread with the comment they are replying to, but down at the bottom of the page. This would make back-and-forth conversations virtually impossible to follow.

        Unfortunately I can’t adjust this on a case-by-case basis, the only way to do this is by changing the configuration for the entire site. I do see your point, but I think nested conversations can be very useful, especially for people trying to follow a conversation through the comments. However, if three other commenters agree with you I’ll make the change.

      • mik says:

        Use ‘Find’ function in web-browser and search for date for example ’06/14/2016′

        • RobinHood77 says:

          Dear mik,
          Thanks for your suggestion. It worked! It helped me to at least be able to separate the comments by date. Now to figure out the time listings. I suppose they refer to Japanese time.

    • Mohawk Man says:

      There it is James. “If it were a snake, it would bite you”.

      Two birds…One stone? Ah, yeah..apparently. It was fun while it lasted. Tis over. Is Mooch fat and can she sing? It’s all self evident at this point. Well, then get on with it. Belt it out tyrant.

      Thanks for the work James. Ya tried.

      Love One Another

      The Mohawk

  2. SirGalahad says:

    So far we’ve seen no videos or photos from inside the club.

    One has to suspect that, just like Brussels, and Paris, it is a hoax.

  3. Rocco says:

    One (of many) questions that remains unanswered and largely unasked, where is the audiotape recording of the 911 call where Mateen pledges loyalty to ISIS? That’s public record and should be released immediately.

    Zero hedge has an article ( delving into Mateen’s employer G4S plc. In short, G4S is a multinational security company analogous to Blackwater/XE, et al. The article goes into G4S’ alleged links with resettling undocumented immigrants across the country without proper processing or issuing court appearance documents. It also reviews Mateen’s prior contacts with the FBI as detailed by James in his summary above.

  4. Captain Ned Blakely says:

    James, as I’m sure you are aware, the Bilderberg meeting was going on the same day, with David Patraeus attending. Him and everyone WeAreChange managed to get on camera looked like they just got a death sentence… they certainly were not cheery, which you would think they would be if they were taking part in controlling the world… it looked more like they were getting their marching orders, like taking part in something really awefull; bitter, despondent, body language says it all. Patraeus had just formed a new gun control group with Mark Kelly only 2 days before Bilderberg… now this on the same night?

  5. irose says:

    Many stories. Loss and heartbreak, Homophobia, Islamic terror, a lone shorter hitting hundreds killing 50 (?!), useless surveillance, guns guns guns & assault weapon in private hands in public places, increased militarization in the streets, Islamophobia, trapping up ‘anti terror measures’, wars, drones, assassinations, massive destruction and mass displacement.

  6. ynotaaa says:

    We need to understand that people kill people.
    The various agendas at play.
    That many mass shootings seem to be false flag attacks against all of us.
    DLL (Divine Love & Light)

    Here is some information that may help in understanding firearm ownership.

    # 1


    Harvard study concludes that gun control does not prevent murders, other violent crime
    8/30/13 | by Jennifer Cruz

    “A study which was recently published by Harvard took a look at firearm ownership, gun laws and violent crime,,,”

    “,,,at least two other studies have come up with similar conclusions. In 2003 the U.S. Center for Disease Control and again in 2004 the U.S. National Academy of Sciences both concluded that they “failed to identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicides, or gun accidents.”

    • Not This Little Frog says:

      Hi ynotaaa,

      Thanks for contributing. Would you be able to expand and give more information on what you mean by DLL please.

  7. VoiceOfArabi says:

    Apart from seeing initial news clip about this, i have avoided everything else.. That’s my way of avoiding “sand in the eyes”, which helps me create an initial “gut feel”

    From reading and listening to the main article by James.. here is what i think in relation to the topic with regional background info in mind.

    The “declare allegiance to ISIS” 911 call was for USA consumption. As these people would declare allegiance for two reason, 1) to get financing from ISIS, which needs to be prior to operation, and second to get approval, which also needs to happen prior to any event.

    So, the phone call is to pin this act to the “war on terror”. and in my opinion, if you need to “really” scream that it is ISIS, then most likely it is not… (that does not mean the guy did not have ISIS links, he might have been a 2 way agent working both sides.. – it just means it is not likely to be an ISIS operation)

    So, why “gay” nightclub?… for people who know the Afghan region (including parts of Pakistan), they will know that a vile tradition called “Bacha bazi” (check wiki) creates lots of instability and blind hate for gay/homosexual people. Homosexual activity is regarded as shameful and degrading and worth dying for, and the sad part is, it is rife in both Afghan and Pakistan society, yet it is really stuffed-in emotionally to make it ready to explode. (that’s one of the reason homosexuality is really hated but “quietly” enjoyed in these societies.)

    Why Now….

    I think ISIS have a very short life to come, as the crazy Russian’s, Iranian’s, Syrian’s and now Iraqi’s are killing and reducing their influence quite quickly, and all signs seem to be the USA is finally turning against the ISIS ally, called Saudi.. Someone wants to take advantage and use ISIS to disarm the USA “American People”, so the “We the people” can never happen again.

    That’s the only sane answer to the question “cui bono?”

    • VoiceOfArabi says:

      The only thought that i will add to the above is… I expect USA to now “really” join the fight against ISIS, and i expect boots to be sent on the ground to ensure a fair division of influence gets divided between the new regional powers…

      very similar to how WWII D-Day got speeded up as the crazy Russians got closer to Berlin….

  8. VoiceOfArabi says:

    my sincere condolences to all the families who lost loved ones.. I should have started with this first, but my mind was racing to the reason why…

  9. maximannone says:

    Expanding on the character of the father, this article from the Daily Mail (UK) says that he “visited the corridors of power in DC” in April, attending meetings with the Foreign Relations Committee..? there are pictures of him with different US Reps. Very bizarre.

  10. Mohawk Man says:

    Watching Justice with Jeanine Pirro on Fox News last night midnight live broadcast. After a series of guests..local mayors etc. it was the Judges conclusion ‘We simply don’t have the resources/equipment or manpower to track these individuals’ but didn’t discuss a fairly new and highly funded DHS and TSA security force. Sounds like additional forces may be required. Maybe the Blue Helmet Squad from the U.N.? Maybe our new arrivals being shipped around this country by the “security firm” the suspect worked for can help us and put on a uniform. Getting us prepped for yet another agency or maybe foreign “Peace Keepers”? Those blue helmets are pretty though but not sure about how it would work as camouflage in a war setting. They should change it to florescent orange like those safety vests or hunting vests so they wouldn’t stick out in a tactical situation even though I’m partial to the blue from a design standpoint.

    A local mayor (who appeared to be a member of this oppressed group) gave his condolences to The “large”LGBTQY here” (an estimated .003% of the population)-or whatever letters..I get lost with all the updates on new “oppressed minority groups” and their corresponding designation. Anyway, he went on to say “Israel is here to access the situation”–I thought WHAT??????? Why? No discussion how the firm the suspect worked for has strong ties to Israeli ownership and his role in transporting illegals (OTM) from the the southern border to all parts of our nation in white vans provided by DHS. 3 meetings with the FBI and was on the no fly list apparently but buying weapons? Hmmmmm.

    I guess it’s heresy to use the term “serious mental health issues” or “psychiatric disorder” when discussing people like Bruce Jenner and his apparent lack of any chromosomal anomalies (XXY..etc)that may have lead him to believe he’s a woman even though he has male genitalia and I believe even children that he has fathered biologically.

    Reminds me of an encounter I had in Newark Airport in 1982 or so visiting my brother in Manhattan. A 50-60 black haired, balding man with a full mustache was enjoying a cup of coffee while reading the NYT’s at an airport cafe with outdoor seating (inside the airport) and wearing a pink dress and was sporting falsies and wearing high heels. I remarked: “What the hell. Did you see that?” My brother then remarked “Thats nothing. Wait until you see Manhattan. All sorts of nut jobs like that walking around.”. I was confounded and a little alarmed to see that. Now I guess it’s a hate crime to make such observations and realize this dude has serious issues.

    Love One Another

    The Mohawk

  11. nosoapradio says:

    Gays yea but overwhelmingly puerto rican or hispanic. Not surprising for Orlando.

    Young, hip, photogenic crowd like the Bataclan. Perfect for impacting the psyches of today’s youth towards… anti-religious, anti-gun, pro-security values…?

    Incident seemingly characterized by stark juxtaposition between grim reactionary old-world values and neo-strobe techno lgbt fun.

    J.K. Rowling wept uncontrollably and Chelsea Manning comes to mind…

  12. Eve says:

    I don’t support him but at least Donald Trump and Putin aren’t afraid to discuss ISIS. Donald Trump is directing attention to the fact that no one in the WH administration or the MSM will use the words “radical muslims” to describe this latest terrorist event by ISIS. Why? Because they don’t want Americans to ask the questions such as – who is ISIS anyway; who created ISIS and who is funding them. Why does Obama call this group ISIL, while MSM calls them ISIS?

  13. jjbrana says:

    Previously called Securicor, G4S provided security at all three airports affected by the 9/11 attacks. Securicor/G4S had bought Argenbright Security—the 9/11 airport security firm—just nine months before the 9/11 attacks. The company later ran operations at Guantanamo Bay.

    These facts suggest that all aspects of the attack, including initial reports of two suspects in the shootings and that someone was holding the door closed to prevent people from escaping, should be carefully investigated.

  14. jjbrana says:

    Omar Mateen, whose bloody siege inside a packed Orlando gay nightclub ended when SWAT teams stormed the building and killed him, was a radical Muslim who followed Marcus Dwayne Robertson, a law enforcement source said. –

    • alucientes says:

      If he was a radical Muslim why would he register as a democrat when they support gay rights, abortion rights, etc?

      I’m sure they’ll release the 911 call of him mentioning ISIS,, -just don’t hold your breath.

  15. alucientes says:

    I dont know if this has been posted here yet but he says it sounded like fully automatic gunfire and that there were possibly two shooters. As well as someone telling people to go back inside.
    Given that he based this on what he heard, I would not say it’s as compelling as say, the witnesses from the San Bernadino shooting, a number of which described 3 men in tactical gear as the shooters, but should still be heard:

  16. ccuthbert2001 says:

    Where’s the blood? Here’s a guy in a similar role to the cowboy at Boston bombing hoax:

    He claims he got a bandana and stuffed into someone’s bleeding bullet wound to stop the bleeding (?) and his hands were covered in blood. WHERE’S THE BLOOD???

    So far I haven’t seen any ambulances rushing off or any sense of urgency in the “crime scene” vids.

    The crying mother said it was hours (from 4 am to ??) and that the authorities can’t id any of the victims. What, nobody had a wallet on them???? Btw, this woman is crying with no tears:

    Same old, same old…

  17. Eve says:

    LOOK! Pulse DOOR BLOCKER In Orlando Event Is An ACTOR!

  18. VoiceOfArabi says:

    Interesting fact…

    Yemen population is around 20 million, and they have around 5 million guns floating around the population (ranked at no. 3 on Number of guns per capita by country).. they have no gun control, and you can go to a local shop and purchase RPG. Yet, you don’t hear of mass shooting…. (you only hear of mass shooting done by american drones or war lords working for ISIS)

    Yet, it happens regularly in the USA?? What gives…

    Also.. It happened regularly in Australia right until they introduced Gun law, after which, not a single incident… So, what does that mean???

    Either Gun control makes people change from psychos into good people, or someone is driving an agenda to introduce gun control…

  19. bfouts_08 says:

    This survivor talks about a phone call made by the shooter, during the hostage portion, saying he (the shooter) was the 4th person in the club.

  20. wheels says:

    Hillary Clinton appears to be directly linked to the Orlando shooting false flag

    Clinton has planned to make herself the next US president and has almost unlimited funds to secure that outcome. She has purchased total compliance of the mainstream media and Google are blatantly working for her.

    Where she has just moved into new realms of evil is that she has used her massive corrupt influence to procure a strategic false flag designed primarily to increase her chances of being “elected” president, and also to further her other aims

  21. calebeverton says:

    Witness Christopher Hansen was interviewed and made several statements where he discusses the shooting. He can also be seen later in another video after the incident where several police are standing around the scene. Why is he still there? Why would they let a civilian hang around the crime scene?

    You can see him in this video at the :27 second mark:

  22. bladtheimpailer says:

    Does this mass casualty producing event really affect very much. Does trying to pin it and others in the past and those to come answer any questions we don’t already know? That whatever or whoever the cause the authorities will use said events to their advantage in propaganda or policy depending on the nature and severity of the event. In the grand scheme of things don’t we have bigger fish to try to fry? What if such an event drew no reaction from the public, would they then subside?

  23. calebeverton says:

    A coworker of mine was in the club on Saturday, and made it out. She was treated for scrapes and bruises, but was not shot. She said there was a lot of shooting, but never saw the shooter. She has yet to speak with the media.

    Some of the witness reports describe an automatic weapon. Several have referenced someone holding a door closed. I have heard unconfirmed reports of several police officers, at least 5 or 6, shooting in the direction of club from behind their cars.

    I live about two blocks from the scene. Every street for miles is blocked off with police tape. You can’t get within 200 feet. They put up a chain link fence and black tarp around the building so there is no line of sight.

  24. spa says:

    This guy surely gets first prize for worst acting performance:

  25. bladtheimpailer says:

    Has anyone seen reporting actually showing any dead bodies or the blood soaked injured being helped by emergency service personnel? The only videos I’ve seen from the MSM repeating stations are of civilians carrying what appears to be the uninjured and untraumatized away from the scene. Don’t the police usually lock down such scenes and keep civilians back? This is just for starters in trying to come to some objective reasoning on what if anything actually took place.

  26. VoltaicDude says:

    The Truth About the Gay Nightclub Massacre

    The above is the most important video I have seen on Orlando to date.
    (I have not yet seen all the videos shared in the comments above.)

    Watson in the video perfectly follows (not describes) the desired polemic that this probable false flag was designed to spin.

    It’s too early and the evidence pool too undeveloped to definitively label the Orlando shooting as a false flag, but it already has all the markings including the fact that the alleged Moslem assailant had a history with the FBI.

    Since we’re talking about the possibility of terrorism, technically that should mean the CIA was alerted to the alleged assailant’s history – and that’s beyond any other assumptions we might explore about the CIA’s relationship to the alleged assailant.

    The most important (erroneous) point Watson makes is that this is a problem with Islam, period. No other issues, including a little sobriety regarding any impulse to engage in retribution against world Islam should in any way contribute to our understanding (that’s “the other side,” also missing the point).

    That polemic is the hook.

    But the clichéd and hackneyed antagonisms are losing their edge:
    Black vs. White
    Young vs. Old
    Male vs. Female
    Christian vs. Jew
    Judaio-Christianity vs. Islam
    Gay vs. Straight
    West vs. East
    US vs. Russia
    Euro-America vs. Asia
    Rich Criminal Black African vs. Poor Innocent Black African

    So the stakes have to constantly be raised, the same way a junkie needs a little more junk to get the same effect over time.

    As long as you choose a side as delineated, you are on point with the agenda of the bankster-military-industrial shadow established.

    I’m not sure how someone working under the Info Wars umbrella could miss the fact that ISIS is a US-NATO, and especially a CIA construct. Starting from there, what can we – no, what should we assume until shown otherwise?

    Watson’s most important line here is “A single Moslem just killed more gays than so called gay-bashing killed in the last fifty years.” That assumes this wasn’t organized by clever, “so called (non-Moslem) gay-bashers.”

    Ruthlessness is the only word that comes to mind regarding this agenda. We should be very worried, but not about Islam, or gays, or conservatives or liberals per se.

    We should be worried about all the people that take the mainstream polemic for granted, and thus help shield the shadow-powers-that-shouldn’t-be from scrutiny.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if the assailant was being goaded about his own sexuality and if he might have had some gay-friendly associations in his personal history; it wouldn’t surprise me if the gay mafia (mafia being the key word there) were involved with this.

    When black on black violence, murder by police, friendly fire and lethal-infighting memes are expressed ubiquitously time and again, how could we be so forgetful of how these modi operandi in fact operate?

    • You seriously reference Paul Joseph Watson? Seriously? Alex Jones’ little minion? He’s an opportunist and a hatemonger. His head is so far up Trump’s behind he needs a glass belly to view the outside world.

      • RobinHood77 says:

        Dear Algorithm of Consciousness,
        I believe if you read his post, you’ll see he is referencing him as a shill for mis/dis-information.

      • Octium says:

        I cant prove it, but I suspect that Alex Jones is the minion and PJW is his handler.

      • VoltaicDude says:

        Well…thank you, Algorithm of Consciousness…of course you’re right…and I appreciate your need to make clear your feelings about Watson – I definitely understand.

        However, Watson delivers the intended polemical meme perfectly, and is a good example on a few levels for airing that meme out.

        Again, he is with Info Wars – in the past they aired photo-ops of McCain with al Qaeda and ISIS forces – so he’s a good example to analyze regarding “alternative” media as well (even though he is in fact at this point promoting a mainstream perspective).

        Besides being a cute guy, Watson has been around for a while; he’s become a familiar – trusted – brand to many; he came on the scene putting his foot in the door with a particular perspective; he is now perfectly situated to guide “his people” down a very different path – consumers (that includes “alternative news” consumers) don’t easily give-up their beloved brands. (I know I’m stuck on JC like nothin’.)

        The way Watson presents “his side,” he “spells it out,” for anyone too busy to pay too much attention.

        He gives the objectionable, supposedly “conservative” side he “espouses,” and then puts it into context of the objectionable mainstream “liberal oppositional argument.”

        He holds your hand; he spoon feeds it to you – he’s a useful example of the meme this false flag would have intended to spin.

        RobinHood77, I think you got my number right.

        And Octium – I hadn’t considered that very interesting possibility, thank you.

        And again, my point is that “the issues”: homophobia, Islamophobia, blow-back, gun-control (pro or con) – they’re all red herrings and opportunities for either heavier clamp-downs or future false flags, just like the immigration conflicts.

        You’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t, but especially if you don’t see that you’re being played.

        Now the “you” in the sentence above is not you or me or any other one or two people. It’s the mass of people that will allow themselves to be prodded along on the propaganda path. It’s a stampede in the making. A force that cannot always be reasoned with once it’s on the hoof.

  27. jjbrana says:

    Omar Mateen had been to Pulse a few times. Closet Gay??
    “Ty Smith and Chris Callen, who are described as a “drag-dancing married couple” by The Canadian Press, said Mateen had visited Orlando’s Pulse nightclub roughly a dozen times, even getting so drunk that club security had to expel him from the bar on at least one occasion.”

  28. jjbrana says:

    G4S is a part of neoliberal imperialism that is leading to the substitution of and privatization of state police. Inside G4S’s 625,000 employees are undoubtedly a number of reactionary individuals with extreme racist, homophobic, and xenophobic feelings similar to Omar Mateen. These folks are armed walking time bombs that can individually or collectively unleash disruption and chaos on humans anywhere in the world. The resulting chaos and fear will be used to justify even more demands for private security, including even martial law, all resulting in improved profits for G4S.

  29. whateverittakes2 says:

    Watched the Nathan Riva YouTube presentation and agree with the positive comments expressed here. Also, it strikes me that the meme Divide and Conquer is so simple, so obvious, and so prevalent that it hides in plain sight. Is that what we are witnessing in the HRC/Donald Trump shenanigan? She gets to focus on Donald Trump so she doesn’t have to spend too much time talking about her lousy record as Secretary of State?

    But that aside, re Orlando, I found this on Paul Craig Roberts today which had me laughing most of the way through. PCR wants to know where the bodies are, a rather important question, since he points out how few bodies have been shown in so many of these tragedies to actually document all the blood we are told was spilled. But I can’t bring myself to go to mainstream media and see if there are bodies. What PCR does here is mostly remind us that in every one of these false flag events, or whatever they finally turn out to be, there is an enormous amount of contrivance and the mainstream media just duly goes along with it. So I put this here for any of you who are needing to find something to laugh about today which is a strange way to talk about a tragic event in which 50? people were “apparently” murdered.

  30. guy.s says:

    I’m sending you an article, which focuses on a possible motive for Israeli involvement in the Orlando shooting: in a nutshell, Panamza points out that the security firm G4S, at which the official, suspected shooter was employed, had ‘caved in’ a few months ago to BDS pressure to terminate their business activities in Israel. In retaliation, Israeli Minister of Internal Security Gilad Erdan told the Jerusalem Post on May 22nd that “G4S will pay the price” for taking their business away from Israel. For those who don’t understand French, use Google Chrome’s automatic translator:

    As a result of the shooting, G4S’s stock is plummeting. According to this hypothesis, the hardcore Zionists kill several birds with one stone: 1) not only does G4S “pay the price” for taking their business away from Israel, 2) other international businesses in Israel will think twice before deciding to pack and go; 3) the demonization of Muslims reinforces solidarity between Israel, the USA and the West, so that gullible viewers, equating Palestinians and Muslims in general with terrorism, won’t protest against any actions Israel might take against them, no matter how horrendous; 4) ammunition for intervention in the Middle East: Syria, Iraq, and soon possibly Iran; 5) as a result of higher funding for “the war on terror,” more profits for the military industrial complex, whose interests are increasingly difficult to differentiate from Israeli interests – see the excellent book by Israeli dissident Jeff Halper “War Against the People – Israel, the Palestinians and Global Pacification,” University of Chicago Press, 2015:

  31. whateverittakes2 says:

    And the other troubling aspect of these events is given what we know in the alternative media about the likelihood of this being other than how it is portrayed, then what happens when you watch John Oliver or read an article in Rolling Stone which treats the subject as if it is/was just as has been suggested. Cognitive dissonance–Big Time.

    And all those people who donated blood?

    The mind twisting that goes on here, who does it and why, is as important as understanding the ins and outs of what actually happened.

  32. jjbrana says:

    Informants Posing as Handlers

    The significance of this cannot be understated. “Informants” in this context, according to FBI affidavits regarding similar counterterrorism investigations, refers to individuals posing as members of terrorist organizations who approach suspects, coerce them into planning and preparing for terrorist attacks, before finally aiding the FBI in the suspect’s arrest before the attack is finally carried out.-

  33. brtanner says:

    Patrick Henningsen and Brian Gerrish on UK Column News on Orlando (near top of broadcast):

    Makia Freeman of The Freedom Articles: Orlando a False Flag?:

    Red Silver J on YooToob – Orlando a Hoax, Crisis Actors:

  34. Corbett says:

    An extremely interesting article from Daniel Hopsicker (h/t @GJSalisbury)


  35. logic79 says:

    Just want to clarify that this is the biggest “recent” mass shooting, but not the biggest in US history…

  36. For whatever it’s worth, when all this came down,Rita Katz at SITE Intelligence certainly didn’t waste time in claiming this is all the fault of ISIS™.

    Is there any other corroboration that ISIS™ claimed responsibility? Presumably, one of the cool graphic designed websites or magazines of ISIS™ will claim responsibility, but that still doesn’t mean it’s run or operated by them.

    But if you examine the image Rita Katz cites to, from the amorphous “AMAQ” news agency – supposedly the mouthpiece of ISIS™ – they do not directly claim responsibility. They make a reference that this was an Islamic State fighter. So then they spin this as a ‘lone wolf.’

    If it wasn’t directly claimed by ISIS™, then this is questionable, especially since he had contact with the FBI, and now, having his father as a potential CIA asset. There are some bizarre photos of the father with what appears to be a backdrop inside the state department. There are actually a trove of photos.

    Pamela Gellar’s got the goods on this guy’s travels to Saudi Arabia:

    It seems they are trying really hard to make this stick to ISIS™.

    Also, June is LGBTQ month. Thematic and topical I suppose.

    • mik says:

      Yes, June is time for LGBTQ Pride parades all over the world. Orlando event came just at the right time, almost like it was ordered.

      But, in every country you have opposition to LGBTQ movement and with additional sympathies for the latter also the former get strengthened (action-reaction).

      Divide&conquer, elites most favorite game.

  37. Here’s another link on Daily Mail (take it with caution) that claims there was a 3 hour wait in time and that police may have shot some of the victims.

  38. The drip drop method in full effect. Courtesy of Blacklisted News:

    “Sources: Arrest expected soon of alleged accomplice in Orlando mass shooting”

  39. bladtheimpailer says:

    One thing I did notice which seemed an anomaly was from a cell phone video supposedly taken within the Pulse club as the shooting begins. We hear four or five distinct pops…pop pop pop pop. Now unless this was a suppressed firearm (silencer) the sound of firing an AR-15, especially in an enclosed space, would be a Deafening BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM, blocking out all other sounds. This is why firearm users wear hearing protection at the firing range. This captured sound of firing suggests some sort of “blank” ammunition being used in my opinion.

  40. brtanner says:

    Jon Rappoport weighs in: Orlando shooter: deeper hidden ties to the FBI? – “The website Cryptogon has pieced together some interesting facts, and a quite odd “coincidence.” I’m bolstering their work.

    “First of all, the Orlando shooter, Omar Mateen, changed his name in 2006. As NBC News notes: “Records also show that he had filed a petition for a name change in 2006 from Omar Mir Seddique to Omar Mir Seddique Mateen.” ”

    Name change may be related to previous “terror” case in Florida where an informant with the same last name, but spelled Siddiqui took money to lie in an FBI sting.

  41. VoiceOfArabi says:

    OK, So part of my expectation is happening already, and the the following website talks about the drive to go hit ISIS really hard, which will translate to boots on the ground to secure a good spot on the negotiating table.. (very similar to WWII rush to D-Day as the Russians were approaching Berlin..) “Which is also good news… it means ISIS days are numbered”… (at this stage, We should run a competition to guess what the new Terrorist group/state will be called – it will be the same people pulling the strings however…)

    So next, I expect the USA Gov to put in-motion a very strong case for Gun Control quickly, and have the people agree on it while emotions are running high…

    This does not confirm anything but “cui bono” was on target…

    • VoiceOfArabi says:

      OK… the comment directly above is not going to happen.. I was too optimistic i think…

      After listening just now to comments by head of NATO, and replies by Russia’s foreign minister.. i think the big guys did not agree on destroying ISIS just yet.. USA is not ready to kill ISIS just yet.. it appears ISIS still have a role to play, at least for the short term..

      So, ISIS is staying with us, and a NEW cold war is about to start… damn… not fun…

  42. VoiceOfArabi says:

    By the way, I have just watched a movie called Dirty Wars, which you can read about and view here

    Seriously, if you are in doubt, or have anyone you know that’s doubtful about how close USA Gov to becoming the next “Saddam Hussain” or Soviet Russia… Just watch this movie….

    • ccuthbert2001 says:

      Hussain??? He was a pip squeak compared to the corrupt anglo-am alliance, who probably out killed the USSR. Doesn’t the US have more prisoners in the gulag than the Soviets had?

      • VoiceOfArabi says:

        OK… I knew something was eating away on me with regards to this movie, and penny finally dropped…..

        You see.. I have just got the central message of this movie… simply put “From this moment on, NO American is allowed to be righteous man”.

        The choices are as follows: Either be 1) an Main Stream Media Zombi, or 2)Join our side, and do what we do.

        I know it is nothing new, and Bush said.. You are either with us, or you are with the terrorist..

        But this is his statement in action. Post 911, Anwar al-Awlaki was a righteous man, who tried to help his country come to the righteous side, but the system worked against him, and through pressure and torture (i would call 17 months solitary confinement torture – you could easily lose your mind) they radicalized him, to be able to shoot him in day light without a court hearing. They even killed his son.. this is biblical stuff.

        Martin Luther King, Jr. (may he rest in peace) was a righteous man, but they did not know how to radicalize him in those days… he got a bullet to stop him…

        I guess the realization just hit me…….

    • Andrew says:

      This may or may not interest you. James’ interview with Doug Valentine and his scathing review of ‘Dirty Wars’.

      • VoiceOfArabi says:

        Thanks @Octium @Andrew,

        I was not aware it was reviewed before.

        Either way, i was able to look at this movie with regional point of view.. and I have to say, it is more than anyone else produced before.

        It clearly shows how the USA is Morphing into orwellian state. anyway, this is not the place to review or Critique the movie, but I just wanted to share it with people who did not have the chance to see it (like myself).

        The movie might not be the best or best intended, but it is a step towards the right direction.

  43. ccuthbert2001 says:

    Paul Craig Roberts posted a second article today with a great video showing that the crisis actors carrying the faux wounded (?!?) were walking TOWARD the Pulse night club, not away from it.

    Here’s the vid:

    Notice the distinct lack of blood from the “wounded” and no blood stains on these crisis actors, ooops, I mean citizen “heroes.”

    James, are you finally going to look into Sandy Hook and Boston Marathon and tell us that you realize now they are hoaxes, hmm? San Bernadino, as well.

    Geez, I’m gonna look into this crisis actor gig. Big bucks if you get to go live.

  44. brtanner says:

    Man Inside Orlando Nightclub Recounts What Shooter Said: –2m11s

    During the interview the eyewitness, who played dead for several hours during the attack as a strategy to stay alive, said that he had overheard a phone conversation that the shooter was engaged in. The eyewitness said that the shooter made mention that he was the “fourth shooter” and that there were “three others,” “snipers,” along with a ‘female suicide bomber’ that was playing dead.

    Additionally the witness said that the terrorist on the phone also mentioned “to stop bombing ISIS.”

  45. wheels says:

    Wow – they didn’t even take the fake “victims” the right way down the street when they were filming the fake footage!

  46. VoltaicDude says:

    This is related to the “usefulness” of Orlando:

    The Imitation Game – Ending Explained

    This is a funny bit @ 04:00 minutes:
    – Keira Knightley!

    This is the important bit @ 05:55 minutes:
    – “#6: The whole BS about Turing deciding not to stop the German bombing of the convoy that had Peter Hilton’s brother on it – more bullshit. Not only did Hilton not have a brother, but the decisions of that magnitude were decided by much higher administrative levels. Do you really think Alan Turing and his team of code breakers had any say on who lived and who died?”

    They stuck that bit of strategy in Alan Turing’s mouth for a reason – “identification” – and that identification is not necessarily just for the gay-identifying audience, but for all people that believe in “absolute parity” for gays politically, socially – a very useful virus to infect “liberals” with regarding the promotion of the following meme: selling the “need” for covert actions, especially those that hurt or kill people, or for secrecy around national security issues.

    It is accomplished through associative narratives, and targets specific demographics at particular opportunities. The narration’s meme is designed to get a “bundled-group-of-values” on board with the following agenda:

    “You need to trust us, we’re your friend and we only mean well, even if the stakes are high and the fallout so very tragic sometimes – still, we’re here to protect you. God knows you have a lot of enemies”

    To which one should reply – “Yeah, except when you machine-gun us down like caged animals because it’s fucking convenient for your agenda – very nice!”

    The “gay community” is a specific demographic and right now, in the wake of the Orlando shootings, it is target practice season for people’s minds, now that they’ve killed so many bodies.

    • Mark K. P. says:

      Absolute parity socially, politically, is interesting ideology for not including economically. I.e. liberals in search of such parity dont take offense at the mod. economic disparity of the financial elite, which is the greatest disparity in all history, being powered by the industrial revolution.

      Many Oxbridge students & professors are gay, both now and traditionally. A gay friend who studied there told me he felt at home to that extent, but was really shocked by the factionalism among UK inverts and the viciousness of their in-fighting. This might explain why Turing got singled out for punishment, but wouldn’t make such a great movie theme.
      Anyway, thanks for link ; I didn’t know Burns’ review and have now subscribed.
      My fav moment for a laugh was the Bletchley Park spy at 5:35.
      L. Farrago’s Game of the Foxes is an important work on spycraft. Based on a shoe-box full of captured Abwehr records in micro-fiche. The WW2 story it depicts is fundamentally very simple ; the Abwehr were very successful in the US but failed dismally in the UK, where they couldn’t keep an agent at large (let alone infiltrated into a place like Bletchley) for more than two or three weeks. Such was the effectiveness of counter-espionage in England, where the basics of a police state (on the original Venetian model) have been in place since Tudor times and the Thomas Cromwell reign of terror coeval with the creation of the Anglican church.
      But in the US all was different ; CIA not yet formed, and FBI still young and fledgling. Nazi agents ran rampant. The most successful (Kodel) rose to be chief of the US armaments procurement board and sent photos of the blueprints of all the latest US weapons that landed on his desk (all of them except the atomic programme) to Berlin within a couple of weeks.
      Then just take a step back for the perspective that while the UK was on the winning side, it was the US that really won the war. Or at any rate the US-Soviet alliance. Even the most successful spying has little effect on the outcome of wars, which is the national security issue that matters. And in time of war the basics of such services are best provided by the intelligence departments in the armed services.

      No society focused on freedom, peace and development has any need for spies or covert organizations, whereas the typical police, (or in earlier times absolutist) state absolutely depends upon them.

      • VoltaicDude says:

        For me “economics” is an overlapping subset between the studies of political science and business systems, so I considered the economic oppression of historically-discriminated-against groups as a matter included in my original statement above.

        I also agree that economic disparity is a hallmark of globalist economies.

        Your observations about “factionalism among UK inverts and the viciousness of their in-fighting” are in fact applicable to most of humanity.

        The idea that we should expect gay people to stick together is as odd an idea as that we should expect straight people to stick together, historically speaking.

        Even just to engage the construct, “we should expect straight people to stick together,” sounds strange only by virtue of evoking the category “straight people” in such a peculiar fashion.

        We are conditioned to accept “straight people” as the “norm,” to be understood as the default category for humanity – these are the deeper structures, the cultural blind spots, and some of the root causes of insidious discrimination in society.

        The history of the Abwehr is a baroque affair on which I am not well versed, but which seems to epitomize the history of all such organizations. A cursory search led me to the following – parts of which I found interesting, but you might find them prefatory:

        Gathering intelligence, encrypting communications and breaking the other side’s encryptions are the publicly presentable face of intelligence agencies.

        Toppling foreign governments, running black markets, corruptly shaping domestic politics, and engaging in disinformation campaigns and false flag operations to get those jobs done are the really hidden side of the covert operations industry – these operations are illegal and even their existence is officially denied.

        As it gets harder to keep a believable lid on them, strange side-effects emerge like campaigns to rehabilitate torture as morally acceptable and effective counterterrorism, and the creation of presidential drone hit-lists, even targeting American citizens without due process.

        The temptation to extend deception techniques beyond those in service of basic espionage (which as you say is in reality not vital to begin with) ends up serving the vilest aspects of shadow government.

        The legacy of murderous, elitist, secret societies is the result and that is a very powerful psycho-social ambient that includes a constant mainstream denial of the facts – most of us live immersed in an unchecked schizoid culture of denial and plainly observable lies.

        So much so that even you and I can speak of WWII in all its vastness, in all its billions of facts and facets and forget (even having already learned) that the Allies and the Third Reich (just like rugby teams owned as corporations) were pawns to the Rothschild’s, the Rockefeller’s, Montagu Norman, the Harriman’s, the Dulles brothers, and a few more handfuls of persons.

        JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man’s Trick

  47. Jason says:

    My thoughts so far is that the killer probably had a severe conflict of identity.
    Its known that there are a number of Muslim men who have homosexual thoughts or cravings, and need to surpress this due to their religion. The reason why many gay bashers or (high placed) gay haters are latent homosexuals.
    It could be that working in an environment of a company like G4S he has been targeted and pushed to deal these thoughts, and not in a positive way. Not so much making him a patsy but an easy target to explode this already ticking time bomb.
    There are reports of him visiting LGBT clubs and being on gay dating apps, so its a possibility.
    Then an attack on the gay community could be a logical response. A severe conflict of split personality.
    Maybe sometimes the answer isn’t that far from just being a troubled mind torn between two societies.

    • VoiceOfArabi says:

      Hi Jason,

      I think you are on to something… If you add to the above “Bacha bazi” tradition, and the possibility of the killer being black mailed by someone to drive him to eliminate few people, and if a handler could utilize this to drive a bigger agenda.. wow.. that would be good CIA work there.. “someone will be promoted for such clever plotting.” especially since if it is married to ISIS, then you can also drive a foreign policy agenda (which i see Obama is shying away from)

    • jmp says:

      Here is a link to News 13 article where Mateen called the station and claimed responsibility for the shooting.

      Overnight producer Matthew Gentili answered the call. Gentili said the caller stopped and said: “I did it for ISIS. I did it for the Islamic State.”

      See a transcript of the conversation.

  48. mjmezzetti says:

    Here’s something. Adam Gruler, the off-duty cop who was supposedly on scene looking for a patron with a fake ID and is being promoted as a hero, had an interesting run-in with Copwatch in 2011.

  49. proverbs11vs30 says:

    Here’s an interesting article, media speaks without checking facts first:

  50. feanor306 says:

    Another article showing the adventures of Omar’s father, Seddique Mateen, in the US state department.

    It seems like he is trying to push an anti-Pakistan campaign if you read his posters on the pictures.

    Also, what does I.S.I. stand for?
    Moreover, if my last comment is flagged as spam, can I see why?

    • Corbett says:

      Thanks for the comments, feanor306. Your first comment on the site has to be approved as a general anti-spam measure. After that point, comments with more than one link or comments with combinations of suspicious words (even I don’t know what algorithm my spam blocker uses) are flagged for moderation and/or sent to the spam queue.

  51. wheels says:

    Has anyone done any checks on the “victims” identities – I’ve just had a quick look at a few randoms and it was really thin on background – for example:

    “Eric Ivan Ortiz-Rivera

    Ortiz-Rivera, 36, was reportedly originally from Puerto Pico.

    He had also studied at the Univercidad Central de Bayamon according to his Facebook page”

  52. brtanner says:

    Omar Mateen’s wife may be charged if she knew he was planning Orlando shooting:

    “NBC News reported that Mateen’s wife attempted to talk him out of the plot, citing officials familiar with her comments to the FBI, and that she was with her husband when he bought ammunition and a holster. She told the FBI that she once drove him to Pulse because he wanted to scope it out.

    “Another official said the FBI has Mateen’s phone and will try to use data from it to see if he had visited the club before, the Associated Press reported. Investigators have not ruled out charging anyone who may have had advance knowledge of the attack. ”

    i.e. “Mateen was Self-Radicalized”

  53. Ukdavec says:

    Omar Mateen ended up in some news footage in 2012 back when he was doing security work.

    James – maybe it is just me but this so reminded me of that Timothy McVeigh clip inside the armoured vehicle that you included in your excellent documentary on the Oklahoma City bombing.

  54. d-One says:

    I got an email linking to this article :

    The Google news search engine picked-up a Chicago Sun-Times Network article about the attack at an Orlando nightclub 6 hours BEFORE the attack took place! The attack occurred around 2:00 AM eastern US time on Sunday, June 12.

    But the Chicago Sun-Times Network has the following story about the attack, dated 06/11/2016, 08:00PM

    • d-One says:

      There are comments below the mentioned article. It was rebutted by website staff.

      I do not know enough about server time zones to know if those articles were actually posted earlier or not…. just like “building 7”


  55. spa says:

    Another bit of video showing Crisis Actors caught off camera.

  56. spa says:

    Following up from the last message showing the crisis actors putting the injured man down when they thought they were off camera, there is a interesting post in the comments section by a woman who actually knew the actor. I have pasted what she said below. (I looked him up on Facebook and sure enough he’s having his leg bandaged by his gf)

    Another bit of video showing Crisis Actors caught off camera.

    elisabeth rivera
    elisabeth rivera1 day ago
    I actually knew this guy we don’t talk anymore. But he is seen in clips being carried right? This is my first time seeing a clip showing him walking! First off if you get shot in the leg anywhere you cannot walk on it it becomes immobile. I was in a medical program I would know. Why do you think when people get shot in the arm they wear slings. Lastly if you go on his facebook search “Juan Orrego” can’t miss him he is all tatted and shirtless the pic is in a bar. he posted a picture wth his sleazy gf (always has sleazy gfs) modeling while she wraps gauze around his wound but not one specialty of blood is visible bullet wounds still bleed. Let me tell you he is all about money! One reason I cut him off he was always showing off materialistic stuff and his money. I want to message him play it off like omg you got shot and ask to see the wound but I would look psycho lol but I could prove he is bullshitting if he says no or makes a excuse up… But also there was a girl seen in a gray dress only shot in knee yet is walking fine!? Gets sat on the back of the cop truck and then is seen with 2 bullet holes on her dress and bloody legs and walking!? I have pics their is a video of her just walking and getting on the truck then having the bloody knees and bullet holes afterwards. Not saying some people didn’t die but some are actors! Just like all the other shootings and crisis actors

  57. KnowThyself says:

    Another interesting bit is the following article:

    What is your opinion on this?

  58. Eve says:

    The MSM has declared the Orlando shooting as the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. They didn’t say recent history; all the MSM (and some alternative sites) repeated the exact same mantra; “the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.

    When we put the killing of 50 people at Orlando’s “Pulse Nightclub” on Sunday, morning June 12, 2016 in context, we get a completely different picture. Perhaps my definition is different than how MSM classifies the 178+ public mass shootings since the early 1900’s. Here’s just a few that come to mind as I look at numbers:

    Wounded Knee Massacre; 300 dead Native Americans massacred by U.S. troops (25 soldiers died) December, 1890

    Mountain Meadows Massacre; approximately 120 men, women and children were massacred by Mormons while traveling on a wagon train from Arizona to California.

    Then there the Tulsa Oklahoma Massacre; between 55 – 300 Blacks were slaughtered, 800 injured and 10,000 Blacks were left homeless when a group of “whites” literally burned the wealthiest black district, (Greenwood District) community in US history to the ground.

    Perhaps we should be questioning what is the objective of MSM when they make such inaccurate statements.

  59. Drazen says:

    Interesting video citing that a web site that archives emergency audio transmissions has the files missing for the time period that the attack took place (12:00 AM and 03:00 AM EST). The files are not missing just for Orange County but for the entire state of Florida.

  60. VoltaicDude says:

    The Truth about the Orlando Terrorist Attack
    @ 37:00 minutes: Stefan Molyneux says “it’s one or the other, fundamentally”
    …apparently Molyneux went to theatre school
    …and apparently Palestinian terror-i-tories is funny

    Fake Orlando Shooting | Crisis Cast | Omar Mateen, Actor? – ODD TV
    … – a company that specializes in staged crisis events

    Orlando Shooting Hoax Busted Wide Open – ODDTV
    In this video ODD gives details on why Orlando is like the Aurora shooting.

    He says the Sandy Hook shooting is a complete “hoax” – that all involved were actors
    and that Aurora was a mix – some people were in on it, others were not, which makes the unwilling participants think that it actually happened.

    He says Orlando was like Aurora.

    (I remember that after Aurora in 2012, with the Sony Hack in 2014, the threats of terror attacks against cinemas showing The Interview had enough credibility, or at least were reacted to in that manner, so that distribution was first delayed and then critically slashed – very effective censorship/punishment.)

    But I think ODD is saying these three were all COMPLETE hoaxes, including in Aurora and Orlando, but that in the cases of Aurora and Orlando not everyone present was aware of the fakery.

    This is very different from what I was thinking which is that these were more like the Boston bombing, the first WTC bombing, and 911, which were perpetrations of real violence, and specifically fall under the label “false flag.”

    I hate to sound partisan (if that even makes sense) in this way, but if the above understandings of these events hold up, note the division: the false flags were designed to promoted militaristic responses, while the hoaxes tended to promote a gun-control agenda (and also at least one very effective incidence of censorship/retribution) – different teams acquiescing to using different types of deceptive tactics?

    (Also, does anybody have access to what Sony edited out from The Interview to prepare the movie for release after the Hack and the threats were published? The edits were billed as appeasements to North Korean sensibilities, but my hunch is that they centered more on issues exposing the U.S.’s unnecessary/constructed pursuance of the war in 1950. – Right now I am under the impression that the Sony Hack was a complex, non-violent false flag – complex because it provoked an unwitting reactionary response by North Korea that increased the official story’s credibility, but that in fact NK really didn’t have anything to do with the hack itself, just as they officially claim.)

    I know you’ve covered a lot of this previously James, but it would be great to see a pod in which you bring all the info you have gathered together here to sort out which details hold up and which labels, “hoax” or “false flags,” you believe more probably apply.

    It’s nice to see the response here is so great.

    • ccuthbert2001 says:

      Voltaic, go look through the voluminous videos on line about Boston non-bombing. That looks more like a candidate for complete hoax.

  61. Corbett says:

    Just received an interesting email from a listener pointing out the difference in coverage of Brennan’s testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee between American and non-American outlets.

    For example, here’s The Guardian’s take away:

    CIA has not found any link between Orlando killer and Isis, says agency chief

    “The Central Intelligence Agency chief has not been ‘able to uncover any link’ between Orlando killer Omar Mateen and the Islamic State, despite Mateen’s stated allegiance to the jihadist group during Sunday’s LGBT nightclub massacre.”

    And here’s CNN:

    CIA director grave warning: ISIS dangerous as ever

    “ISIS can draw on a ‘large cadre of Western fighters’ that could attack in the U.S. and the terror threat posed by the group remains as dangerous as ever despite efforts to crush it militarily, the director of the CIA said Thursday.”

    Can anyone spot the oh-so-subtle difference in what the American MSM is choosing to focus on?

  62. Aron says:

    I believe this guy about as far as I could throw him. Stinks to high heaven.

  63. Eve says:

    10 Reasons That Prove ISIS Is A U.S. Creation.

    1: ISIS an Acronym for Mossad (Israeli Secret Intelligence Service)
    2: ISIS Foreknowledge via Leaked DIA Doc

    3: ISIS Never Attacks Israel. Israel was treating ISIS soldiers and other anti-Assad rebels in its hospitals

    4: Toyota Trucks. Where did ISIS get an entire fleet of matching Toyota pick-up trucks? Langley?
    5: ISIS’ First Class Social Media Skills

    6: Israeli Group SITE First to Release ISIS Footage

    7: ISIS Leader Baghdadi a Mossad Agent. Although this indication is hard to confirm, there were reports apparently originating from Edward Snowden that the leader of ISIS (Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi) was actually an Israeli Mossad agent by the name of Simon Elliot or Elliot Shimon:

    8: Leaked Cables Showing US Plotting Syrian Overthrow

    9: Russia Bombs ISIS, US Protects ISIS *** (my personal favorite). Before Russia militarily entered Syria, the US claims it was “attacking” ISIS, yet Russia was able to do in a few months what the US has been unable to do for years. Why? Is the US military that incompetent, or this is further proof that the US has been funding and supporting ISIS all this time?

    10: ISIS Always the Excuse for Further Intervention

  64. Eve says:

    Here’s another interesting article from Sleuth Journal which sums up the agendas behind these mass shootings…

    No one can deny that this supposed mass shooting event that took place is perfectly in sync with the long list of agendas the ruling elite have. Agendas like:

    1- The gun grab and destruction of the 2nd amendment

    2- Keeping the public in fear and learned helplessness

    3- Boosting the police state

    4- Condoning the surveillance state and the need for more surveillance

    5- Dividing the people by (in this case) sexual orientation

    6- Reinforcement of and conditioning of the masses to martial law “lockdown” and destruction of the 4th amendment

    7- Reinforcing the ISIS psyop which they (the West and its NATO allies) created themselves and is the lifeline of the new world order

    8- Justifying and reinforcing the call for a global police due to ISIS super-mobile capabilities

    9- Distracting the public from the Bilderberg 2016 get together which was occurring at the time

    These are just some of the ongoing agendas playing out in real-time, designed to steer the masses into believing certain narratives which are ultimately important for the ruling elite to obtain their final goals.

    With that said, now let’s strip the veil from the Orlando shooting false flag “investigation” and reporting period which has followed the shooting event.

    • in-rainbows says:

      Thanks for sharing the link, and while I don’t disagree at all with the agendas listed, or anything in the article itself, it is a bit of a shame that it begins by saying that the Orlando nightclub shooting event happened on June 6, rather than June 12. Of course I realise that everyone makes typos, and proof readers miss things, but when it takes so little for “skeptics” to proclaim: “Crank conspiracy theory website!”, I think it’s very important to be careful about such things.

  65. TwistedPolitix says:

    Man who sold Orlando shooter his rifle is related to Sean Hannity

  66. ccuthbert2001 says:

    This might seem off topic, but give me a moment. Read this article about a boy who was killed by an alligator at Disney World.

    Here is the VERY IMPORTANT paragraph:

    “In a statement on Thursday, the family expressed their appreciation for everyone involved in the search and asked for privacy. “We are devastated,” the statement said.”

    This is how REAL families respond to tragic events. They do not look to get on camera, they don’t laugh and joke around before their Stanislavsky interviews, they don’t smile like Stepford wives and flirt with the interviewer, and they certainly don’t make public statements within hours of the tragedy demanding congress enact some law, i.e. alligator (gun) control.

    They retreat to the privacy of their homes and mourn.

  67. brtanner says:

    This relatively brief article takes a look a the “wounded” in Orlando. IMO, beyond implausible, even pathetic.

    As many are now asking, “Where are the ambulances? Where are the gurneys? (also, where is the cellphone video? – 3 hour “standoff” – What, did they confiscate the smartphones of the incident enacters? Were there actual innocent club-goers?)

    YouTube title: 100% PROOF Orlando Shooting Was a STAGED HOAX…This Is All You Need To See — “Victims” in stills on above page carried THE WRONG WAY, toward the Pulse nightclub. 6 min

  68. yokokimba says:

    Best one I’ve seen yet…”Orlando Shooting Miracle Witnessed – Shot Man Feels No Pain, Stands Up”

  69. Aron says:

    Good overview of bizarre mainstream media interviews of so-called eye witnesses:

  70. setatliberty says:

    I may get censored (again), but you have to follow the money.The go Fund Me website has been set up to pay off the actors that have been highlighted on national TV for all of these “events” like Orlando, San Bernardino and such. I just did a search on gofund me and among the many groups and people that have “supported” the actors, I found several supporters to be a little suspicious, like the GoFundMe Team itself gave $100,000.00 And many “anonymous donors” as well as some that have not chosen to be so anonymous like the REALD Inc. that has technologies for cinematography and holds contracts with the Department of Defense.

    Cricket wireless (subsidiary of AT&T),

    Many individuals that have donated a lot of coinage also have some very suspicious connections Like Bill Clerico , who is an investment banker connected to Goldman Sachs and the American Red Cross. Goldman Sachs is one of the biggest recipients of the “Too Big To Fail” policy that just gave Billions of dollars to. They are likely connected to the Federal Reserve, since the Fed chose them to “donate” money to.

    I would venture to say that the largest donors are similarly connected to the major corporations that are controlling the one world dominion.

    The more you follow the monetary and do actual research, the more you realize that there really is a vast conspiracy to control the hearts of the people to welcome this global security that will follow the upcoming chaos that the scriptures warn of.

    Such charitable people we have these days, eh?

    I do know that the Red Cross is highly connected to the USSA government and they are pushing for the donations of actively practicing sodomites, so I just wonder what is in the water here and IF this will even get published on your “open source” investigation…

  71. brtanner says:

    Preston James of Veterans Today on the relationship of Orlando to other Deep State false flag or hoax events:

    Raises the question of whether there may have been real victims, with “authorities” holding back real evidence to make researchers’ speculations about a possible hoax look ridiculous to the sleeping public.

    • Aron says:

      Thanks brtranner. Interesting article. It seems clear that a hoax op (whether truly a hoax or a hybrid event) represents difficult waters to tread in for any serious reseacher or journalist. Bottom line is to never fall into one of their traps and ensure sources are solid, otherwise, one might be snared as the VT article describes. I’d like to think that concerned citizens everywhere should be pulling out their cameras and doing their own citizen reporting at the scene whenever such events occur and then getting that baseline info out there as fast and as wide as possible to counter the disinfo coming from the mainstream and other disinfo artists.

  72. brtanner says:

    Media Casually Tours Orlando Shooter’s Apartment Only 24 Hrs After Shooting? – by Melissa Dykes of TruthStream Media, w/Video 5 min – Shades of the San Berdoo shooting, OMG, they could not make this stuff up:

  73. Drazen says:

    This is an article about a man who was recruited to be part of a team to attack gay communities in Florida and California. He gave himself up because he was afraid of being the next dead patsy.

  74. Corbett says:

    So it seems the FBI is going to release heavily edited transcripts of Mateen’s 911 calls with all references to ISIS removed…but they are loudly trumpeting the fact that they are removing all references to ISIS. Talk about psyops 101:

    • nosoapradio says:

      Also they make a point of underlining that “the killer is dead”.

    • in-rainbows says:

      Just released: a transcript of the 911 call, accompanied by a joint statement from the DoJ and the FBI:

      Some have picked up it saying “God” rather than “Allah” but it does mention allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, which doesn’t fit with what Lynch said about removing all references to ISIS.

      So, did they change their mind and really decide on the “highest level of transparency” (as mentioned in the DoJ/FBI statement) or is this still partial and edited? To be honest, I’m not sure.

      Thoughts James . . or anyone?

  75. nosoapradio says:

    Yes, indeed, I’ve been wondering (as I’m sure many others have as well); why has it all been so easy to find discrediting sources; Mateen’s acting career, the crisis actors, the father’s government activities etc?

    I believe it was Activist Post who was musing about the possibility that maybe “they” want “conspiracy theorists” to go on and on about the “Orlando psy-op false flag” in order to….

    -stigmatize themselves further burnishing their tin foil hats to blinding abusurdity?

    -to effectively contribute to the confusion that camouflages more revealing events like Bilderberg, international economic treaties, libertycide laws being voted, Mohammed Ali week…etc? I can only imagine…

    At any rate, I’m back to square one as I’m reliving what I experienced back in 2007-8 when I “woke up” and tried to tell everyone about everything I was discovering:

    You can show people the Mateen Bix Fix scene in the “documentary” or the info about the father’s government activities:

    it doesn’t tilt with people. Doesn’t intrigue. The reaction “Well Mateen had to have a job didn’t he? Why not security guard or actor?” It’s very clear, that if it’s not on their own favorite mainstream media outlet, it’s simply not worthy of attention.

    So, to the point, are these blatent “revelation of the method” psyops simply to flaunt that parallel universes have been created that are much more impermeable than they appear to be and are inexorably moving furhter and further apart?

    Is it that they know that if people aren’t interested you can show them the most damning info, it’s not just that they won’t see it, it’s simply that they can’t?


    • nosoapradio says:

      Perhaps it’s to discredit and ridicule the very act of looking for the truth at all?

      • ccuthbert2001 says:

        NoSoap, I had these exact thoughts about 911. The truth is so obvious that it had to have been perpetrated that way as a message to the awake among us that tptsb can do whatever they want and we can’t do anything about it. What could be more demoralizing?

        Have your friends/family been saying things like, “You see a conspiracy in EVERYTHING”? I used to get so much eye rolling that I gave up talking about it. But if asked… 😉

        • nosoapradio says:

          Well, Ccuthbert, it’s true that once you’ve really looked at the towers fall you interpret certain world events completely differently…

          and speaking of September 11th, I just mentioned to a colleague the similarity between pro-Europe Anna Lindh’s death on September 11th, 2003 and pro-Europe Jo Cox’s death after reading Mr. Corbett’s comment on the Brexit page,

          and my Irish colleague Ciaran who’s interested in geopolitical events just shrugged it off with a “yea, there’re crazies everywhere”…

          So the 9/11 false flag has obviously had a life-changing impact on how some people interpret events. The operative word in the previous sentence is “some”. Can’t yet figure out why “some” and not “all” or at least, “most” people…

          But in answer to your question, yes. Nevertheless, folks aren’t completely wrong when they say I see a conspiracy in everything. That’s really not far from the truth actually… Or maybe not a conspiracy, but a design…

          gotta hop back into the hamster wheel now. Thanks for your sollicitation. Good day to you.

          • nosoapradio says:

            Well… come to think of it… It may just all come down to … confusion… mixing reality and fiction… fiction with reality…

            Fusing the horrifying events that hit you in the gut with insipid fiction… Reality shows, docufiction, biopics, reality-false-flags…world of warcraft- fake missions with real people- second lives- 300 friends on facebook – avatars- pseudonyms – computer profiles – newsvertising – presidential selections – emails from Hillary and Obama – screens everywhere – likes and dislikes- tweets and buzz – global warming – towers reduced to dust by planes or fire – beheadings on Youtube and banker suicides… no trails in the sky to be seen…

            what’s really real anymore? What’s really not?

            What to believe in? What not? God is dead? Consciousness is digital?

            They say those who believe in nothing

            will believe in anything… isn’t it rich?

            now send in the clowns.

            • calebeverton says:

              Bravo, nosoapradio.

              I have been in this community since 2008, and can say with certainty that people died at Pulse. I agree with your analysis of the motive.

              • in-rainbows says:

                nosoapradio & ccuthbert2001, thanks, I very much appreciated that short exchange. Good insights, and I can relate to what you both say! Was just reading this:

                The FBI, Not “ISIS,” Radicalized the Orlando Shooter:

              • ccuthbert2001 says:

                calebeverton, sorry, but you’ll have to do better than that. Did you see the dead body? Or did you just hear that someone you once met is dead? Or was it the friend of a friend?

                What has happened with the advent of modern communication is that we are at the mercy of govt officials and journalists to tell us what happened, but we have absolutely no direct evidence of any of the events.

                Here’s an example. After the Columbine shooting, a friend of mine who was active in education reform was contacted by the parents of one of the surviving children at the school. They wanted to remove their child from the school for obvious reasons, but the school and town bureaucrats were putting tons of pressure on them to send their child back to that hell hole. They asked my friend for advice. He traveled to visit with the family. So he had some direct contact with victims and was certain there was a shooting and these people were genuine. There are also pictures of the dead “perps” and lots of eye witness accounts that appear genuine. So, even though the msm didn’t report the truth, I’m pretty sure children where killed there.

                Unfortunately, we don’t have direct evidence, but at least there’s some indirect.

                Contrast that to Sandy Hoax. No pix, no vids, no bodies despite the triage tarps, no ambulances… I could go on and on. I know someone who lives in Newtown. He says he knows someone whose child died in the school. But he only met this person once, never met the child. For all he knows, the crisis actor was lying to him. No direct evidence to corroborate this fairy tale and not even any indirect evidence.

                Add to that that you are a name on a computer screen. For all I know you’re a GI at some military base spreading disinformation (or is it misinformation?) all over the internet.

  76. brtanner says:

    “Howell (the man WHO TURNED HIMSELF IN in Santa Monica) and Four Other Suspects Involved in Planned Sunday Massacres”

    The other shoe drops on the Santa Monica “suspect.”: – Howell stated that he was suppose to “hook up” late Saturday night with his contact in LA who was suppose to have more weapons and chemicals to mix with the Tannerite he was in possession of.

    “When I got here, Dan was gone. I went to his apartment and he had cleared out….I tried calling him but he never answered me,” said Howell.

    When questioned about the other four people involved in the plot, Howell was only familiar with the first names of three of the alleged suspects, naming his contact in LA – Dan and two of the three contacts in Florida, Omar and Brandy

    Speaking of the suspect killed in the Pulse Bar massacre in Florida, Howell stated, “Omar was not suppose to be killed. They lied to us – Omar and Brandy were suppose to get away.”

    When Howell was questioned about how he and his conspirators knew each other, he said that,

    “We were all familiar with each other through an online fundamental Islamic knowledge seminary course[1] – we were recruited through the course and trained together at a camp in Virginia – we were taught how to shoot and make bombs – everyone knew their part – something went wrong….”

    Before the officers could further question Howell, agents working for the Los Angeles office of the FBI quickly swept in and took over the case. Santa Monica detectives were never allowed to talk with Howell.

  77. brtanner says:

    This thing is unravelling faster than a moth-eaten sweater…

    Before Omar Mateen Committed Mass Murder, the FBI Tried To Lure Him Into a Terror Plot
    New revelations raise questions about the FBI’s role in shaping Mateen’s lethal mindset.
    By Max Blumenthal, Sarah Lazare / AlterNet –

    Before Omar Mateen gunned down 49 patrons of the LGBTQ Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, the FBI attempted to induce him to participate in a terror plot. <> that after Mateen threatened a courthouse deputy in 2013 by claiming he could order Al Qaeda operatives to kill his family, the FBI dispatched an informant to “lure Omar into some kind of act and Omar did not bite.”

    • brtanner says:

      Edited out of last post on FBI propositioning Mateen as a patsy, I guess because between brackets (…terror plot.) Sheriff Ken Mascara of Florida’s St. Lucie County told the Vero Beach Press Journal (that after Mateen…)

  78. brtanner says:

    Links to professional simulation company Crisis Cast:

    CASTING CRISIS: Orlando’s Actors, Agents and Casualty Role Players – by Shawn Helton, – “

    “The heavily-stylized company CrisisCast, appears to be a revamped version of the Visionbox Crisis Actors project (a crisis actor production emerging after Sandy Hook), with a professional team of actors, elaborate film crews, expert producers and theatrical effects makeup squads mimicking real-life injuries (additional prosthetics) – all focused to deliver a simulated crisis-like reality to the public, later to be managed accordingly through their public relations division via various forms of social media.

    “In CrisisCast‘s ‘about’ section we see a sophisticated amalgam of emergency protocol disaster training combined with “internationally credited film crews,” that bring their high-end stagecraft to life, through a collection of “role players, stunts, medical simulations and combat flashpoints,” cloaked in visual tricky, with film techniques out of the UK and Australia, so says the group’s website.”

  79. calebeverton says:


    I know a forensic pathologist at the hospital; I am trying to get more information. I know the police officer, David Napolitano, whose helmet was damaged. One of the survivors works with me; she was one of the first to make it out of the club. She never saw the shooter. One of her friends did not make it out. Cory Connell was a real person who was definitely killed. There are at least 2 others I can confirm were real people who were killed.

    What happened at Pulse nightclub is more Waco than Sandy Hook, with an ISIS/homegrown terror subplot. A real event, with real victims, mixed with crisis actors, I’m guessing to A) Make sure the media stays on message; and B) throw out red herrings for the truth movement. This investigation will drag out as long as necessary for the FBI to doctor up the investigation to fit the lone wolf narrative. Today I saw them in HAZMAT suits scrubbing the streets of evidence.

    I am not saying the media/FBI aren’t inflating the death/injury numbers, or that others were not involved in the planning or execution of the operation; I just know for a fact that it was not an entirely staged event. i think we can all agree that given the extent of control over the evidence and scene of the crime, there is little hope that we will ever know the full story of what happened at Pulse.

    • ccuthbert2001 says:

      Caleb, thank you for your reply. But I have to repeat that since you are nothing more to me than a name on a computer screen, I can’t take what you’re saying as evidence, not even indirect. I have no way to verify what you’re saying. That’s my point about how easy it has become to manipulate the public, as Orson Wells realized many moons ago.

      I know for a fact there are plenty of people working for the govt to post on internet sites. I have some evidence for this.

  80. nawk says:

    cui bono?

    On that subject Becky Akers writes ““With the terrorist-inspired Orlando shooting fresh in their minds (, “Dozens of lawmakers who voted [that the Feds must obtain a warrant before searching information on Americans’ ‘incidentally’ collected while spying on foreigners] in previous years flipped their votes last week.”

    Remember the suspect was reported as being on the Terror Watch List. And of course if your on the watch list, you are also going to be on the no buy list as Rahm Emanuel suggested way back when. ( And as Berry had called for after the 2015 San Bernardino attack “During his Oval Office speech Sunday night, President Obama said: “Congress should act to make sure no one on a no-fly list is able to buy a gun. What could possibly be the argument for allowing a terrorist suspect to buy a semi-automatic weapon? This is a matter of national security.” (” He couldn’t get it then , so maybe he can get it now.

    But have no fear, per Sen Diane Feinstein all you will have to do to get off said list is to “petition to prove they are innocent and get off of the watchlist.” see post by Karen De Coster at (

    — Result — We have formerly given the no-fly legal status, in so much as you theoretically have a ‘sort-of appeal process’.

    See, how that works?

  81. bubromer says:

    Occult researcher Mark Passio, who is up to date on false flag/psyop attacks, shared this snippet of information on his Facebook account

    “Did anyone else notice the numerology of the mass SlaughterZone shooting in Orlando? June 12, 2016. 6/12,
    2016. Same numbers forward and backward. 612, 216. Both equate with 9, the favored number of Satanists and Dark Occultists. In Occult Numerology, 612, 216 and 666 are all equivalents, since they all numerologically equate to 9. The children who still refuse to acknowledge that an ancient psychopathic religious cult runs this world will, of course, dismiss this as random and insignificant. They refuse to see the ritual and pattern their Masters constantly employ, because they are fearful idiots who still believe they can make reality conform to their psychological comfort zones.”

  82. nawk says:

    After posting my comment, I saw your post: – Nice work!

    You mentioned truthstreammedia work in your update. Well also by them is this post:

    In that post by Melissa Dykes (formerly Melton) co-founder of writes “Why Have There Been More Mass Shootings Under Obama than the Four Previous Presidents Combined?” And she adds a link: “(You can download the full list of names, dates, locations, and numbers of deaths per mass shooting by president prepared for this article here {} ” The list that was compiled by Melissa’s mother. {I say good work Melissa’s Mom!} Of course that list only goes up to 10/1/2015, Roseburg OR. So San Bernardino is not listed and since this it only lists ‘Mass Shootings’ the Boston bombing is not listed ether. Still it is a good resource and the list itself is also footnoted.

  83. in-rainbows says:

    I realise this story has already been posted, but I’m sure I’m not alone in wondering if there’s been any confirmation as to whether the story is legitimate or not.

    Excerpts from: ‘Howell and Four Other Suspects Involved in Planned Sunday Massacres”

    The real truth of the story was released to a former Los Angeles County prosecutor who works for Get Off the BS by two Santa Monica police officers that have been issued gag orders under threat of Federal prosecution for talking further talking about the incident.

    According to two department sources, Howell called the Santa Monica police on Sunday morning claiming that he needed protection from the CIA. Howell further elaborated to the dispatcher stating that he “had been set up by the CIA – they are going to kill me.”

    According to Howell, he was in LA to meet with another person in a collaborated attack on the gay communities in both Florida and Los Angeles.

    Howell additionally stated that, “everything has gone south. Dan was gone when I got here. They killed the leader of the Florida attack this morning. They are going to kill me. I need protection.”

    According to sources within the police department’s investigation Howell indicated to officers who first made contact with him that Howell claimed he was one of five people involved in a planned Sunday attack on both the east and west coasts.

    Howell stated that he was suppose to “hook up” late Saturday night with his contact in LA who was suppose to have more weapons and chemicals to mix with the Tannerite he was in possession of.

    “When I got here, Dan was gone. I went to his apartment and he had cleared out . . . I tried calling him but he never answered me,” said Howell.

    When questioned about the other four people involved in the plot, Howell was only familiar with the first names of three of the alleged suspects, naming his contact in LA – Dan and two of the three contacts in Florida, Omar and Brandy

    Speaking of the suspect killed in the Pulse Bar massacre in Florida, Howell stated, “Omar was not suppose to be killed. They lied to us – Omar and Brandy were suppose to get away.”

    When Howell was questioned about how he and his conspirators knew each other, he said that,

    “We were all familiar with each other through an online fundamental Islamic knowledge seminary course[1] – we were recruited through the course and trained together at a camp in Virginia – we were taught how to shoot and make bombs – everyone knew their part – something went wrong….”

    Before the officers could further question Howell, agents working for the Los Angeles office of the FBI quickly swept in and took over the case. Santa Monica detectives were never allowed to talk with Howell.

    In summary, it appears that Howell was on his way to “hook up” with another conspirator (Dan) to set off explosives and shoot people at the gay pride parade in Hollywood California on Sunday.

    Finding his contact missing when he got to LA and having heard that Omar Matteen had been killed by a FBI SWAT teem in Orlando, Howell determined he had been double crossed by the CIA and feared for his own life.

    Howell was taken in to custody by the FBI before Santa Monica police officers could further question him about the motives behind killing gay people on both coasts of the US on Sunday.

    However, in absence of further information and or anyone who will officially go on the record, there is no doubt that the America public is not being told the truth about the Orlando Florida shooting and the arrest of Howell on Sunday.

  84. in-rainbows says:

    The best video breakdownof this event that I’ve seen so far

    VERDICT: Orlando Shooting – FALSE FLAG EVENT (Not a Hoax)

  85. chris says:

    For what its worth this was posted on Blacklisted. It is not verified so who knows if its true. If true it seems to match up with the shooter in Orlando saying there were “snipers” outside Pulse. It all has similarities with the Newtown and Aurora shootings.

    My big question is why don’t they play all the 911 calls? Fox News loves to play 911 calls when some tragedy or another happens, but not with this?

  86. chris says:

    This is interesting as well. archive for emergency response audio streams between 12:00 AM to 3:00 on June 12th are missing.

  87. ccuthbert2001 says:

    These doctors being interviewed about Orlando smacks of desperation, don’t ya think?

  88. ktsworker says:

    CONSPIRACY = legal term = when 2 or more people carry out a crime.
    9/11 – obviously involved more than 2 people conspiring to commit the crime
    Orlando – highly suspect of being a conspired crime (how does one man enter club with so much ammunition unnoticed, how does one man open fire on hundreds of scurrying/hiding people and have such a high hit rate, “the deadliest mass shooting in modern American time”?

    THEORY = social science/scientific term = a method used to organize information in attempt to achieve better understanding of phenomenon that has yet to be proven via scientific method. Short of having observation of an entire event, in sequence, from beginning to end, we can only hope to organize dots of info to help construct a bigger picture. Theories are neither right nor wrong, they exist to organize information. It is possible to believe in more than one theory at a time or to believe in parts of a theory within certain contexts.

    The questions will always remain:
    Who did this and why? At some point, curiosity just goes in circles and progressive understanding stalls. This is a good time to extract yourself, reboot and look around. The senate did not pass gun control. Then this pops up on CNN and becomes viral: “Heartbreaking photo of little girl standing on toilet practicing US school gun drill goes viral”

    The “mother”, Stacey Feeley, shames politicians on FB: “This is your child, your children, your grandchildren, your great grand children and future generations to come. They will live their lives and grow up in this world based on your decisions. They are barely 3 and they will hide in bathroom stalls standing on top of toilet seats.”

    Barely 3? Many children continue to potty train throughout age 3. Three-year-olds have not fully developed their gross motor skills and would be at very high risk for fall and injury climbing up on porcelain toilets (especially ones without covers). I find it hard to believe that a toilet-climbing drill took place with children of that age group without parental consent or foreknowledge. Many schools for kids that age have extra-low toilets without doors bc of need for adult aid. Three-year-olds do not have enough vocabulary or experience constructing complex sentences to come home and tell mommy about a mass-shooting safety drill done at school. My first thought would be, “What kind of place implements this practice without informing parents?” My first stop would be to seek clarification from the school officials on exactly what happened and why it came to be without parental knowledge. Then I would want to know what safety experts suggested that safety increases by climbing on toilet seats in a restricted bathroom without any escape, nor furniture to barricade the door. I can see children under age 4 coming into Children’s Emergency rooms all over the country from head injuries sustained at home while practicing that fun toilet-climbing drill done at school. WTF?

    A child that young could not even sustain balance for a prolonged period of time during a would-be shoot out (statistically 12-15 minutes average). Does the entity that licenses this school or daycare know about and approve of this drill? There are huge safety standards on this kind of stuff … it’s called Accident Safety and Prevention – 90% of childhood trauma injuries can be prevented. Children are at more risk at that age of falling off the toilet seat due to their disproportionate top-heaviness and incomplete gross motor skill development. When CHildren’s hospitals across the country see a surge in closed head injuries and internal head bleeds, I am blaming CNN.

    This is absolute ridiculousness. Not to mention, it does not follow the professionally recommended protocols for staying safe during an active shooter situation. Take note of the official recommendations for an active shooter situation from DHS:

    A good “hide out” is one that does not trap you or restrict your movement to escape. Children are going to follow their teachers, why would a teacher lead a class to a bathroom area (restrictive) where there is nothing to barricade the door? I could go on and on, but then I am falling into Psyop trap like a hamster running in a wheel.

    We must keep our eyes on the real issue, which is constitutional rights. I don’t like guns, never believed in them nor wanted to think about them much less have one. But, that was when I was asleep to the possibility that one day, I may have to bear arms to protect my home or family from a tyrant government. The constitutional rights do not just apply to me, they apply to my neighbors and other citizens as well. I have seen enough abuse of power that I totally understand why an ordinary citizen deserves the right to bear arms, especially in the current political climate.

    My attitude about guns is different when thinking about a wide range of scenarios. We should not let MSM meta data polarize the issue of the 2nd amendment. This is explained very well by my sister’s law partner, who was first attorney to successfully defend the 2nd amendment in front of the Supreme Court (2008) DC vs Heller. LINK:

    Like anything else in life, we cannot make policies on simple premises without considering all of the vast ACCURATE data required to carefully review before making an empirically-based and well-informed decision on policies and laws that will drive how we live and how we are governed (especially in light of the Patriot Act). The grass is not necessarily greener on the other side and once the threshold is crossed, we cannot simply reverse it.

    Australia saw increased assault and no impact after 1996 NFA: Research Article:

    [NOTE: This comment far exceeds the 500 word comment limit. In future, please break such comments into multiple parts if necessary. -JC]

    • ktsworker says:

      Sorry JC :-/ and to everyone else, I am new to the community. Live and learn 😉

    • ccuthbert2001 says:

      What is it with bathrooms these days? Does the deep state have a newly surfacing scatological bent? The sandy hoax also included hiding children in a bathroom. I guess it’s the place to huddle with those cross dressers. Maybe they’ll shield children with their bodies.

  89. Corbett says:

    Just a reminder to everyone: there is a 500 word comment limit on the site to avoid walls of text / improve the flow of conversation. Several commenters here have gone over, but from now on the limit will be enforced.

    • in-rainbows says:

      Whoops, I may have been guilty of dong this. If I did breach the limit at any point, thanks for allowing my comment, and I shall take care in future.

  90. ktsworker says:

    CNN has yet to report on 18 Y/o black female beaten, tazed and head bagged by Madison WI police officer,

    Local Madison, Wisconsin ABC affiliate WKOW removed earlier reports viewed at approximately 9:30 EST. Now this afternoon, the story has been diluted to a mere side note while other MSM affiliates do not even have mention of incident.

    Yet, CNN heavily promotes its “headline story” of the 3 year-old standing on a toilet status post “lockdown drill” Iin wake of Orlando shooting) that is sparking tons of controversy, especially among countries outside of USA as “no one realized how bad gun control is in America.” SMH

  91. nosoapradio says:

    Well, today an article has come out in the nouvel observateur about Brahim Abdeslam, (the guy that supposedly blew himself up in a café during the Paris attacks last November, injuring the waitress who was taking his order, as he was awaiting the moment to go pick up his puppet accomplices. But of course, that’s not what the Obs said):

    M6 also came out with this video in April:,253212

    In May this came out: “Parental permission to do the Jihad”

    “…The booklet in question encouraged the reader to respect his parents wishes when they were opposed to the Jihad…and thus not to join. A few months later Brahim Abdeslam would nonetheless become a member the Islamic State terrorist group who would carry out the Paris terrorist attacks…”

  92. thehumanfactor says:

    This is a video by TruthMediaRevolution with a walkthrough of the critical events in the two bathrooms. The events are broken down in excellent details in both time and room.
    A golden star for reconstructing the floorplan and in the end even visualized in 3d where the actual holes in the wall are mapped in a 3d-model of Pulse building.


    “I’m Afraid You’re in the Wrong Bathroom” – Fake Orlando Shooting

  93. brtanner says:

    MISSING DETAILS: Orlando Shooting 911 Transcripts Questioned, Alleged Survivor’s Story Challenged – by Shawn Helton –

    Takeaway: “Here’s a portion of the FBI’s summary of events that excludes any mention of shots fired within the interior of the club itself:

    [“Based on OPD radio communications, there were no reports of shots being fired inside Pulse between the initial exchange of gunfire between responding officers and shooter, and the time of the final breach.] (!) During this time, the shooter communicated with an OPD 911 operator and an OPD crisis negotiator, and OPD radio communications reported that victims were being rescued.”

  94. brtanner says:

    Orlando: A false flag attack on Muhammad Ali’s Islam? – – Kevin Barrett has posted a very long article on Veterans – It seems it was written by Feroze Mithiborwala, SabrangIndia, though I think it may have been a collective effort. Mithiborwala’s title is: Was Orlando Massacre a ‘False Flag’ Attack on the Islam Personified by the Iconic Mohammed Ali?

    At the top, Barrett says:
    I am editing a forthcoming book entitled Orlando False Flag: The Clash of Histories. Here is a sneak preview of the chapter by Feroze Mithiborwala, founder of the Muslim Intellectual Forum of India and a tireless champion of Palestinian rights. Feroze is one of India’s most important activist intellectuals. Here he explores Omar Mateen’s deep state connections and demolishes the official narrative of the “lone nut.”
    –Kevin Barrett, Veterans Today Editor

    Mithiborwala poses 13 questions “the FBI must answer,” which are answered in the course of this LONG webpage:

    1) Mateen himself was a gay. This discredits the narrative of the massacre as a homophobic hate-crime. Why is the FBI desperately trying to suppress this fact?

    2) Mateen’s links to radical Islamists – Moner Abu Salha, the first American suicide bomber in Syria – are being downplayed by the FBI as “minimal.” Why?

    3) Mateen had links with Islamist preachers Abu Taha Marcus Dwayne Robertson and the blind cleric Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, both of whom have been terror operatives with proven links to the CIA? How could the FBI be unaware of this fact?

    4) What about Mateen’s links to FBI handlers for a period of 10 months during 2013? The statement of Florida’s St. Lucie county’s Sheriff Ken Mascara alleges that the FBI had dispatched an informant to “lure Omar into some kind of act and Omar did not bite”. Is this not a clear indictment of the FBI and it’s fatal policy of entrapment to commit acts of terror.

    5) The all-powerful G4S security agency has named a psychiatrist who had conducted a psychological evaluation to certify Mateen’s fitness for a job with the agency. But the psychiatrist claims she never saw Mateen and that she was not even living in Florida at the time the test is claimed to have been conducted. Why is the G4S lying?

    [SNIP: Edited to keep the comment within the 500 word comment limit. People can follow the link for the full list. – JC]

  95. brtanner says:

    From RT: ‘No evidence’ for gay claims about Orlando shooter – FBI

  96. Catte says:

    Mateen’s career seems a bit hard to pin down. G4S? Actor? Both?

    It’s quite odd because initially the mockumentary in which he quite clearly is an actor playing a security guard (can’t remember the name of the film atm) was touted in the media as a genuine documentary in which Mateen was appearing as himself – i.e. a genuine security guard. But then researchers found his IMDB page in which this and his other acting credits were listed, and this particular narrative started to look a bit threadbare. Soon after this his IMDB page was scrubbed, and versions of the mockumentary became hard to find on Youtube, so it was clearly a sensitive topic for someone.

    Is there something else beyond the mere statements in the press to show Mateen worked for G4S as well as being an occasional actor?

  97. ccuthbert2001 says:

    Story that the trump would be assassin was trained by fbi with Mateen.

    The author writes that an attorney visited Howell, the guy arrested in Santa Monica who claims to have been in a five man group with Mateen, and interviewed him about the fbi (cia?) camp where he trained. He further says that that attorney was beaten nearly to death and pitched in dumpster.

  98. ccuthbert2001 says:

    Video outing Patience Carter. Supposed victim caught in the bathroom with other “hostages” was a tv reporter, and has a music vid, or something…

    From TeamWakeEmUp, Orlando shooting hoax case closed. Link to Carter’s idiotic press conference.

  99. ccuthbert2001 says:

    In this vid, the youtuber questions Angel Colon’s story. Colon claims that the shooter aimed the riffle at his head but missed and shot him in the hand. Which hand??? Do you see any bandage on either hand?

    Also, apparently he claims to have been shot in the hip and again in the buttocks. Yet, 48 hours later, he’s sitting in a wheel chair?????

    He also claims that he was shot “like three times” (?!?) in the leg, but that he tried to get up and run?????

    Who believes this stuff?

  100. ccuthbert2001 says:

    IMPORTANT: Judge Napolitano reports after reading the 911 transcripts and the summary, that from the summary, no one was injured or died at the Pulse “until 5:13 am when the SWAT team entered.” Apparently ALL THE PEOPLE SHOT WERE SHOT BY THE COPS. Here’s the clip with Napolitano saying this:

    Please download and save this video on your computers.

  101. in-rainbows says:


    On June 16, TrueNews published this video . . .

    . . . it points outs how all emergency transmissions for Orlando (and adjacent counties) fire rescue and police services, that took place on June 12, between 12:00 AM and 3:00 AM (the time of the Orlando shooting) are missing from the Broadcastify website. archives all emergency transmissions from police, fire services, etc, not just from the US, but from around the world. I checked the archives myself and found this to be true. It was later reported by TrueNews that St. Lucie County Sheriffs Department were contacted about this, and they said that the FBI confiscated all these emergency broadcasts.

    And on June 25, the same website TrueNews, but out this article . . .

    Which features Judge Napolitano speaking live on June 20, saying that based on an FBI summary of events that took place, which was released on June 20, nobody died until 05:13 in the morning, in the Orlando shooting . . .

    “These are in two parts, there’s an actual transcript, and then there’s a summary of the rest. Here’s whats news in the summary, nobody died until 05:13 in the morning, when the SWAT team entered, prior to that no one had been killed. The 53 that were injured, and the 49 that were murdered all met their fates at the time of, and during, the police entry into the building.”

    Of course this goes totally against the official story as presented by the mainstream media.

    • in-rainbows says:

      All change:

      Following on from the above. On June 21, the day after Judge Napolitano appeared on ‘Outnumbered’ he appeared on Varney & Co saying something quite different. He said that what he’d reported on Outnumbered (that no one was shot or died until 5:13 AM) was wrong, because people who were interviewed had been laying bleeding bleeding from gun shot wounds before this time. So it was the FBI summary of events – which he based his previous statement on – that was wrong. See video below, specifically from 1:15

      Judge Nap DOJ for ‘Trying to Rewrite History’ With Orlando Transcripts

      • thehumanfactor says:

        The Megyn Kelly interview with the two survivors starts at 6:28

        It seems like a lot of the official story is based on the testimony of Patience Carter. She is a key withess and she is the one that the mainstream media has been focusing mostly on. She tells her story in a clear way, but doesn’t remember clearly if her best friend is named Kiera or Akyra. She happends to work as a reporter at Fox 29.

        I would assume that a young promising reporter would never miss such a given opportunity to live-tweet, facebook-update, film or live-broadcast during the 3 hours she is stuck in that bathroom with 20 persons? Statistically there would be at least 19 perfectly working mobile phones in a group of twenty people.

        Can someone please point me towards all of her live videos/posts?

      • ccuthbert2001 says:

        Not clear who’s trying to cover up what when from this. Maybe the summary is correct and the witnesses/victims are lying. Since some of the victims’ stories are fantastic and unbelievable…

        Quien sabe?

    • SirGalahad says:

      Richard D Hall, a man I regard as an honest investigator, has a slightly different take on the “no victims” theory.

      What if the conspirators/organisers had deliberately withheld information and suppressed CCTV footage in the knowledge that independent investigators would come to the wrong conclusion.

      It’s possible. It is always a mistake to underestimate the enemy.

      Watch him on Youtube:

      Other matters of some controversy are also covered in this interview 🙂

  102. brtanner says:

    What Are they Hiding? FBI Tells Florida Cops to Deny Public Records Requests on Orlando Attack –
    by Claire Bernish, –

    Under an official FBI seal, the letter signed by special agent in charge of the agency’s Tampa field office, Paul Wysopal — who refused to comment to the Sentinel — states, in part:

    As you know, this is an active, on-going investigation being conducted by the FBI. The FBI considers information obtained from state and local enforcement agencies in furtherance of its investigation to be evidence or potential evidence. Accordingly the FBI is concerned that public disclosure of such records or information at this time will adversely affect our ability to effectively investigate the shooting and bring the matter to resolution; could endanger the safety of law enforcement officers, and other individuals who have participated in or are otherwise connected with the investigation; and risks unduly prejudicing any prosecutions that may result from the investigation.

  103. Sonex says:

    Former intel officer Robert Steele offers this excellent analysis on amazon:

    Unfortunately, the elements of yet another false flag attack are apparent.

  104. BuddhaForce says:

    Omar Mateen Class “G” & “D” Security Officer Clearance Applications

  105. BuddhaForce says:

    The FBI investigated the Orlando mass shooter for 10 months — and found nothing. Here’s why

    Spoiler alert: because he lied to FBI agents, then admitted to lying in writing, then the FBI decided that even though it IS a crime to lie to FBI agents, they just couldn’t be bothered to fill out the paperwork or something…

  106. BuddhaForce says:

    Turkey email leak on Omar Mateen, his father, CIA, motives, and other speculation.

  107. BuddhaForce says:

    Orlando shooter’s father Seddique Mateen spotted sitting behind Hillary Clinton at campaign rally in

  108. thehumanfactor says:

    Changing Reason finally released this video:
    “I’m Afraid You’re In the Wrong Bathroom | UPDATED | PART 2 OF 2 (Orlando Nightclub Shooting)”

    Changing Reason presents a calm and methodical walkthrough of the most important problems with the official story. This is a very nice format and a style that more people should let themself be inspired by.

    The errors found in his first version with the same title has been adressed in the very best way in part 1 and part 2 of the follow up.


    • thehumanfactor says:

      This released transcript references both Paris 13/11 attacks and Boston marathon bombings. That tells you a something if you researched those events.
      According to article, he presented himself only once (and by last name). But the negotiator already magically know Materems first name ‘Omar’ in the end of the call? Efficient people indeed….!
      Excepts from article below:

      “This is Mateen. I want to let you know I’m in Orlando and I did the shooting,” the shooter told dispatchers in his brief first call to 911. “I pledge my allegiance to [Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi] of the Islamic State.”

      Mateen referred to himself by name only once.“Call me Mujahideen, call me the soldier of God,” Maheen said.

      “I’ve heard [your motivation] and I want you to come outside and tell us that yourself so the message rings true from you without me passing along your message,” the negotiator said. “I’m doing that, but I need you to come outside with no weapons.”


      Then the line clicked off.

  109. thehumanfactor says:

    Can someone help me to verify the information in this video?
    (It didn’t play in my mobile in Sweden, but with my VPN set to U.S. it worked fine). If the information is correct, what are the odds that so many of the people interviewed on TV about Orlando Shooting incident is either a criminal or an actor? That seem so very unlikely that either this video is completely wrong or the pulse shooting is proved to be fake. Comments?

    Kearnsy74 posted this 2016-11-03:
    Orlando Shooting Hoax – Private Investigations (Criminals & Actors)

  110. Mark K. P. says:

    uh oh, another mass shooting blamed on one that might involve more. And one possibly allowed to fly out of NZ to Israel? Curiouser and curiouser. My local newspaper (Adelaide Sth Australia) had front page headline “White Hate” on the morning after the event. Nothing in there about multiples of one, and DEFINITELY nothing about Joo hate, even in the fine print das ist Verboten!

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