Summer Open Thread

07/28/201981 Comments

It’s the dog days of summer, and while most people are out sunning themselves on the beach I’m hard at work on several projects that I hope to unveil later this year. In any event, there’s no subscriber newsletter this weekend. In its place, here is an open thread for any and all musings / breaking news / analysis / recommended reading and viewing, etc. Corbett Report members are encouraged to log in and use the comments section here to discuss whatever is on your mind.

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  1. HomeRemedySupply says:

    James Corbett, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Patrick Wood, and others are mentioned in this 13 minute video by Dana Ashlie.

    Fighting 5G like your Life Depends On It
    (13 minutes)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1PR2SJkehk

    • herrqlys says:

      I was really engaged by a video on the health effects of 5G technology featuring Dr. Lorrin Pang M.D.

      Not only is Dr. Pang an engaging, personable speaker but his specialty areas are endocrinology, diabetes & metabolism… control processes for bodily function. His curriculum vitae includes research in tropical diseases with the World Health Organization and Walter Reed Research Institute for 24 years. I liked the way his folksy approach worked into the main topic.

      https://vimeo.com/333630717

      Be prepared to immerse yourself (full video 1:23:30) but the direct talk is only half of that.

      • mkey says:

        A good video. However, I disliked some (minor?) tropes, like the insinuation that one can opt out of GMO food by merely labeling the product.

        But otherwise, really packed with information, I’ll have to watch it again to let everything sink in.

  2. fragen says:

    Hello all,

    I have a long list of books I have yet read this summer but I’ve run out of documentaries/informative videos to watch, so I’m looking for suggestions. Recently, my watch list has included:

    Hypernormalization (2016) by Adam Curtis – https://www.bitchute.com/video/hBO75TXQZXKk/ – Curtis also produced ‘Century of the Self’ about Edward Bernays which is also worth a watch if you haven’t seen it already – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04

    Propaganda (2012) – Supposedly produced in North Korea but I have no idea if that is true. Regardless, it offers a fascinating view of the society and culture of western nations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQLfkhwkEbo (Couldn’t find a non-age restricted YT link)

    The Day Israel Attacked America (2014) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx72tAWVcoM – About Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty in 1967. Includes interviews with the men who were on the ship that day. Listening to the harrowing accounts of these men offers a whole new perspective.

    —————————————-

    Additionally, here are some interesting propaganda pieces to examine.

    Trump’s Fed pick’s push for gold troubles lawmakers – https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/28/judy-shelton-fed-gold-standard-dollar-1616538

    Verizon ad, ‘Cancer’ – https://www.ispot.tv/ad/oIAX/verizon-5g-ultra-wideband-network-cancer

    • mik says:

      You’ve listed some essentials and there are another two of them.

      James’ : How to Herd your Tax Cattle
      (control individual perspective)

      How rule the world. Lecture at the FSB (KGB)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuf9d3sci-w&t=1140s
      (control social perspective)
      Video is queued, start manually from the beginning.

    • Sunny says:

      Hi,

      Totally awesome doc. – “American Moon.”

      At first I was skeptical it would be any good…But, it is really thorough and well made. It basically gives a strong case in support of Nasa having staged the Apollo missions. Although they did have the technology to send unmaned ship there. Which they did when they still thought they will be able to make it to their declared goal…

      It is also made extremely professionally and even entertaining. It costs four dollars to see, and should be available for free some time in future.

    • mkey says:

      The Verizon cancer ad is just perfect. Imagine all extra cancer these good doctors will be able to handle thanks to 5G.

    • geotos says:

      Thanks Fragen for the link to Propaganda, yes fascinating, I love it, watched twice in a row 🙂

  3. cooly says:

    Thoughts for the day

    “Nationalism does nothing but teach you how to hate people you never met. And all of a sudden you take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever, and you brag about…”

    “You were born free, you got fucked out of half of it, and you wave a flag celebrating it.”

    “Complaining that a comic is drunk is like going to a titty bar and complaining because your lap dancer is a communist.”

    -Doug Stanhope, comedian, frequently drunk

    “We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams. So shines a good deed in a weary world.”

    -Willy Wonka

    • cooly says:

      That last one should be two separate quotes. I re-watched it again last night and realized that I remembered it wrong, that Wonka had said both things to Charlie when he returned the Everlasting Gobstopper.

      I realize that to this crowd at TCR there are more pressing, important issues to address, but I need to correct my error as I am mortified and paralyzed with shame at my carelessness.

  4. Corbetteer says:

    Hi everyone!
    For those interested in learning about the “Cradle to Career” data tracking program planned for California public schools:

    “Starting at birth and continuing until your kids are grown up and in the workforce, California’s new ‘Cradle to Career Data System’ will collect data from ‘partner entities’ in order to ‘provide appropriate interventions and supports to address disparities in opportunities and improve outcomes for all students’.

    “The ‘partner entities’ include (but are not limited to) ‘state entities responsible for elementary and secondary education data, entities responsible for early learning data, segments of public higher education, private colleges and universities, state entities responsible for student financial aid, childcare providers, state labor and workforce development agencies, and state departments administering health and human services programs’.”

    https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2019/07/16/california-is-making-plans-to-track-your-children-susan-shelley/?fbclid=IwAR0yfGmOm4t4pAVyyrn-FE3YjmdG6cWsAzQi8cFC38EVDfIYdIACFlS1eAc

  5. miggrado says:

    A really weird attempt to kill a president. I’m not sure is true but that is.
    https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-UFFTYX6vyTkt5m9y/The%20Assassination%20Attempt%20on%20Jimmy%20Carter%20by%20Ray%20LEE%20HARVEY%20and%20OSWALDO%20in%201979%20You%20Never%20Heard%20A_djvu.txt

    “American Exceptionalism & American Innocence” interesting explanation of communicative politic of EEUU.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJBHkPtc-tY

  6. Nietzsche's Mustache says:

    what’s everyone’s take on Epstein’s replica of Solomon’s Temple on his island?

    • summon says:

      That something fucked up was going on. No sarcasm intended.

      Whether they believe in something ‘hidden’ or not, or even if it is to put on a ‘show’ – the fact remains the same, they (ruling class) feed upon us all the same. Those poor poor kids.

    • calibrator says:

      I’ve seen an image on, I believe, Zero Hedge, that showed that little “spa” from the side with mattresses visible inside.

      No altar, just mattresses.

      Visible through a big window on the side.
      So no mysterious temple with its contents hidden from sight.

      In other words: That little temple is nothing more than a “love temple”.

      And I bet that big sundial on that weird island serves the same purpose:
      Epstein probably sent his “guests” messages like “Go to 9 o’clock to find your treasure!” or something like that.
      Of course, the “treasure” was a young women or even girl.

      That island exists for exactly one reason: Providing a certain clientele with easy access to sex with more or less minors.

    • PeripatĂȘtikos says:

      Off the top of my cabeza, I’d say Epstein’s replica of Solomon’s Temple — like the island itself — served to impress and/or accommodate visiting guests who are freemasons, as so many elected officials, lawyers, judges, bankers and ministry/inner party types certainly are.

      Every masonic hall is itself something of a replica of Solomon’s Temple, in specific symbolic elements, whether architecturally acccurate or not. It is a ceremonial place.

      Epstein’s entire existence now seems to have been a big, effective Mossad blackmail operation, so he necessarily had several layers of “legend” or appearances designed to impress and deceive specific sorts of targets. To the inattentive public, he was a financial advisor. To the broad lower echelon of the elite, loaded down as it is with arrivistes and the nouveaux riches, he was an indispensable social connector, to the point that being his “friend” was a prerequisite for elite entry. To his (Mossad’s) blackmail targets, he was a procurer of young sex slaves. I doubt he took the photos himself, or settled with his victims. He was in sales and new client acquisition, not in finance or account management.

      An interesting recent article here mentions Dennis Hastert and others, in the pedophilia/blackmail/intel dynamic.

      • generalbottlewasher says:

        Well Peripatetikos, the sorry end of Epstein wraps up another saga in the Mossad annis of history. The word is he was found hanging in his cell in Manhattan this morning 8-10-19. Not even wondering how this will stall any investigation into all of that business. Volumes won’t be written but we can hope for some sort of justice for multi millionaires bad acting…

        • mkey says:

          Jeffrey Epstein is Dead, Here’s What We Know
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D7pHNMO7G4

          I guess this guy doesn’t deserve a Requiem for the suicided issue.

          • cooly says:

            mkey-

            I don’t believe he is dead. Not for a minute.

            • mkey says:

              Well, officially, he’s as dead as a can be. I’ll let the conspiracy kooks take the floor.

              • cooly says:

                mkey-

                Officially. Just like Timothy McVeigh and Ken Lay. “Officially” is such a cuddly, reassuring word.
                And you call me a kook? I haven’t been so offended since my coffee maker died and I had to go to Costco and buy another one. And you bet, I will take the floor, and put it somewhere else just to confuse the cats.

              • mkey says:

                Well, imagine how offended you’d be if you needed to replace your toaster with a smart toaster.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec

                How do you like them crumpets. Also, when you’re done with the floor, put it back where you found it, please.

        • PeripatĂȘtikos says:

          GBW:

          I don’t think the recently late, lamented Mr. Epstein would’ve had much more to disclose as a living organism than he will as a non-living being — though the latter does seem to suit him. We simply have to allow for the outmoded methods and thinking of the Ceausescu machinery — oops! I mean Clinton, I mean Lauder, I mean Cohn, I mean Mossad, I mean Bush, I mean Maxwell, I mean Meese, I mean Podesta machinery. We’re all attached to habits and traditions, to some extent. We all desire closure.

          So, let this be a warning to all you billionaire, narcissist, elite pandering pedophile procurors out there: um… sorry, I don’t quite recall just what I had in mind to write here.

          But there is someone who does know what to write. Whitney Webb has done a lot of work on Epstein, et al.

  7. zyxzevn says:

    Things related to Area51..

    I was always interested in that stuff.

    A friend of mine sees lightballs / foofighers regularly (with friends).

    How to get information about secret bases and secret organizations
    30c3 – Trevor Paglen – Six Landscapes (2013)
    https://youtu.be/j56s46e97Lo

    I was looking for this one for years.
    It is a solution of how we can expose many of these secrets.

    Victims of Nuclear tests
    Atomic Veterans Were Silenced for 50 Years. Now, They’re Talking.
    https://youtu.be/qbBu6cWczTY

    Area 51 secret aircraft (soviet migs)
    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/intelligence/2013-10-29/area-51-file-secret-aircraft-soviet-migs

    Some links about scientists/experts researching UFOs
    See before you go storming into Area51

    Jacques Vallee: Implications of UFO Phenomena (excerpt)
    https://youtu.be/sP10HPJkJ4Q

    U.S. Military Interest in the Paranormal with John B. Alexander
    https://youtu.be/-oKMhwk-ICo
    (Some may call him a shill, but I think he is talking about his own limited knowledge)

    John Mack (about human encounters with Aliens)
    https://youtu.be/-U1WecFObQw

    Parapsychology on UFOs
    https://youtu.be/UZpth1qdl-M

    • zyxzevn says:

      Bob Lazar / Area51
      Area 51 has been famous for storing the stuff that came from Roswell.

      The report from Bob Lazar on Area51 follows long after that event.
      It is reasonable consistent, but he is talking about things that seem over the top.
      Here is the long interview on Joe Rogan
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ

      I don’t know how real the story is.
      And there are many witnesses that have seen some of these things.

      In another interview (fade to black) I heard a military doctor talking
      about doing operations on ET’s.
      And it seemed as if he was describing his psychoses instead of real memories.

      This does not mean that there are real events happening.
      Certain paranormal stuff can also cause psychosis on people,
      or alter memories or even change their identity.
      Note: I am helping some people to cure themselves of psychosis,
      using a paranormal healing technique. In short: via telepathy I
      can identify the problems that they are experiencing and help them out.

      Maybe these people have been treated with LSD or worse to hide certain
      state secrets. Or maybe it is the result of some experimental drug.
      Or maybe strong radiation had those effects on them.
      Anyway, I think that these people are victims, but not good witnesses.

    • Mark K. P. says:

      The alien/UFO topics seem like fake news ;

      think of all those reges and popes through history, lots of money and power but never a one encounters aliens or UFOs, in any record I’m aware of.
      But in post-war America there are virtually more aliens and strange spacecraft than regular folk and planes.

      The most obvious answer is that US military and the deep private conducts a tremendous number of radical genetic experiments, from circa ww2 epoch, and therefore produces numerous freaks, monsters , semi-humans that need a good explanation if regular folk closely encounter them. Aliens is the explanation, to avoid lawsuits, jail time and so forth.

      • mkey says:

        I always considered the space issue as something that’s completely over the top and out of focus. It certainly may have its merits when establishing possible ancestry lines or at least progeny but why look up at the skies when we still have people dying of easily treatable diseases/issues under the sky? Why would I want to colonise Mars when things are in a state of complete disarray at the home base?

      • zyxzevn says:

        The UFO story is much much older than news.
        Ut appears to me that the genuine UFOs do not want to
        show-up randomly. They seem in control.

        I think that the military have no clue.
        If there are multiple UFO sightings near all your
        nuclear bases, you need to hide this quickly.
        Otherwise your most important secrets are revealed.
        There has always been a very high level of secrecy around this subject.

        The military started the “debunking” campaign with bullshit explanations
        like swamp-gas, mass-psychosis, venus, etc.
        And they directed project blue-book and project mirage.
        And while many sightings are just bad interpretations,
        or fakes, or maybe even psychosis, there are also
        very genuine encounters.

        That is why I listed some of the better experts in the field.

        For fun here are 6 alien-like bodies, some with lab reports:
        https://www.reddit.com/r/paradigmchange/comments/6k3k8f/dr_steven_greer_new_alien_body_found/

  8. mkey says:

    Climate Crisis – No Public Comment Allowed
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5iIRRKCfPI

    Another seminal video by Tony Heller. This seems to be just an interlude to the coming part 2, which may prove to be a bit explosive.

    In short, he references how these coming CC “hearings” won’t allow comments from members of the public. He’s also, once again, dismantling the “6 meters of sea-level rise” trope. With current rates, for something like that (depending on the continent) to happen it would take several thousands of years. But I guess tax money NOW can fix it just the same.

    Also, a very fitting parallel is drawn between the CC hysteria and CC blood money by alluding to “climate protection” scheme which these mobsters are trying to shake down the tax cattl…. erm, payers.

  9. mkey says:

    Israeli Journalist Rips Anti-BDS Resolution Passed By House
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeVaVcyrR_E

    I haven’t posted any stuff from Jimmy Dore in a while, I think, but this video is very interesting. While Jimmy doesn’t pass the CC litmus test (due to, IMO, limited understanding and lack of critical thinking) he does seem to pass the Isreal litmus test quite proficiently (due to, again IMO, common sense and lacking thick skin).

    The most interesting part of this tad too long video (watch it at 150% speed) is the interview with a self-hating Isreali journalist who drops some truth bombs on Democracy now, the type of which couldn’t get anywhere near the MSM watchers without being pulled live out of the air, coupled with most ridiculous excuses talking heads employ when something gets abruptly taken out at any given moment.

    • calibrator says:

      As always, you are very polite, mkey.
      I’d say most of his videos are not only a tad too long…

      I for one don’t have time spending half an hour dissecting some idiotic partisan folly for the umpteenth time.

      While Dore has some good stuff on his channel, some of it even great, no doubt, he mostly performs as a political/partisan pundit now (for the progressive part of the democratic party).

      He’s totally uncritical regarding CFR-member Tulsi Gabbard, for example. He calls other people “mealy mouthed” but that woman can utter the most vague stuff and he still applauds it.

      Worse still: He covers Bernie Sanders all the time. Even though he fully well knows that Sanders was not only duped the last time but played along willfully. Of course this will happen again.

      I can live with all of that as it is what I expect.

      What irks me the most about his channel is that most of it is simply not funny anymore!
      The only consistently funny stuff comes from the Mike McRae voice imitations(some truly inspired!) or the few excerpts from his live shows.
      I’m not sure how much McRae writes himself or if everything is written by Dore but he would be more effective if his videos were funny again.

      • mkey says:

        Most of his “contributions” are not worth the time anymore, with the above-linked video being an exception. Best case scenario, Dore is stuck in the old partisan paradigm.

  10. mkey says:

    Are We Still Lost in the Cave?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbbZylzsCvI

    A treatise on TeeVee watching.

    • Nietzsche's Mustache says:

      no one ever leaves the cave. new wood on the fire, new shadows.

      the wisdom is not in escaping the cave, but in knowing that you cannot.

  11. calibrator says:

    Here are some news(?) about one of our favorite corporations and the Lakeland, Florida, police department:

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mb88za/amazon-requires-police-to-shill-surveillance-cameras-in-secret-agreement

    You know the article is an interesting read if the first two paragraphs go like this:

    Amazon Requires Police to Shill Surveillance Cameras in Secret Agreement
    The Lakeland, Florida police department is required to “encourage adoption” of Ring products as part of a secret agreement with the company.

    Amazon’s home security company Ring has enlisted local police departments around the country to advertise its surveillance cameras in exchange for free Ring products and a “portal” that allows police to request footage from these cameras, a secret agreement obtained by Motherboard shows. The agreement also requires police to “keep the terms of this program confidential.”

    • mkey says:

      Fascism at its best. The battle lock on the neighbourhoods.

      • calibrator says:

        Exactly. The basic premise of facism is always that the citizenry is “universally guilty” and needs to be controlled tightly (and consequently punished if straying from the “right path”).

        The fact that this deal is kept secret by both Amazon and the PD is proof alone that this is a fascistic conspiracy.

  12. Waterbear says:

    Facebook Unmasked: Social Networking’s Stolen Trade Secret | PSI Intl
    https://principia-scientific.org/facebook-unmasked-social-networkings-stolen-trade-secret/

    This article claims Michael McKibben invented the basic tech that runs large-scale social networking companies.

    “SOCIAL NETWORKING IS A STOLEN TRADE SECRET
    One of the largest government sponsored industrial espionage thefts of copyrights, trade secrets, and patents in modern times was the theft of scalable social networking inventions. The technology and programming code that underlie Facebook, Gmail, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram and most the other large-scale social networking companies runs on Leader Technologies’ intellectual property.”

  13. Nietzsche's Mustache says:

    Has anyone read “Capitalist Realism” or anything else by Mark Fisher aka Kpunk? Or anything by Nick land, Frederic Jameson, Jean Francois Lyotard, Gilles Deleuze, and their contemporaries?

    I’ve recently started researching post-Nietzschean, post-Freudian, and post-Modernist philosophers and have had my world destroyed.

  14. calibrator says:

    “Moon of Alabama” has a new article about the situation with Iran, featuring some more or less heavy-handed propaganda using image manipulation:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/08/state-department-issues-manipulated-photo-as-b-team-pushes-towards-war-on-iran.html

  15. manbearpig says:

    Important win For Free Speech!

    I Don’t why all you Corbetteers are so glum about IP and free speech an’ all!

    If you haven’t already heard the great news, Have a look!:

    Judge’s ruling throws huge spanner into US extradition proceedings against Assange
    By Tom Coburg
    August 01, 2019

    AN IMPORTANT WIN FOR FREE SPEECH!

    “…Jen Robinson, a member of Assange’s legal team, described the judge’s ruling as an “important win for free speech”:

    An important win for free speech: we have won our motion to dismiss for @wikileaks in the @DNC lawsuit against #Assange, WikiLeaks et al over the 2016 US election publications on First Amendment grounds. Full judgment:

    co/SZmyLd1Z83 Key passages: pic.twitter.com/Kq6dJkuSIc
    — Jen Robinson (@suigenerisjen) July 31, 2019

    And US WikiLeaks lawyer Joshua Dratel said he was:

    very gratified with the result, which reaffirms First Amendment principles that apply to journalists across the board, whether they work for large institutions or small independent operations.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52021.htm

    Yay!

    • manbearpig says:

      I mean frankly, nice song an’ all, but who needs IP Freely

      When our super anti-9/11 conspiracy theory Guru is on it!?!

      Maybe I’ll write a song too!

  16. alexandre says:

    I just searched for GEOINT as I was making some coffee – this is what’s called “research” – and the first video that came was this one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPAqNG2mpy4

    Talk about propaganda, advertising, marketing, entertainment, all mixed together. E la nave va.

  17. alexandre says:

    This might be good one for Corbett to dissect. Maybe not. It’s the NGA director Robert Cardillo speaking.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTXil7KTY4Q

  18. mkey says:

    THE ANARCHIST’S GUIDE TO VACCINE SAFETY | HighWireTalk With Del Bigtree
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFsJI3VBgQg

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      It was great to see him at Anarchapulco.

      There is a lot of impact starting at the 24 minute mark when he shows footage of the approval process of the Hepatitis B vaccine (which they know causes heart attacks).

      This vaccine is the first which targets the foundations of immune system.

  19. alexandre says:

    I’ll just add one more here just in case.
    I had a big fight with my sister about bullfighting in Spain. I understood, from what she said, that there’s some sort of consensus against toradas in Spain and I suggested that these “consensuses” sound suspicious to me, so, even though I’m strongly against animal torture, when “the world community” starts looking suddenly at one issue somewhere, I get suspicious. Why? Because in general these campaigns are released on Facebook etc exactly to direct people’s attention to something “somebody” wants people focused on for some reason – what I call “an advertising campaign”. She called me a conspiracy theorist, a paranoid, I read too much into everything etc, really ugly. And at the end she said there’s nothing going on about bullfighting in Spain, like I was mad and understood it all wrong – like the conspiracy paranoid that I am.

    I then sent an email to Noam Chomsky about it, to see if HE at least could understand what I was trying to say about ad campaigns, manipulation of collective opinions through social media using emotional sensitive subjects etc. He replied that he saw no problem having an opinion on some issue somewhere and he was himself quite on board to stop the murder of bulls in Spain, and the torture of horses in the US with the horse races. But, he added, that doesn’t mean we have to invade Spain to stop the toradas, or Spain invading the US to stop horse races – without a single word about ad campaigns or mass manipulation through social media.

    Here’s my question: could it be that we are indeed paranoid conspiracy theorists that read too much into everything? Did I really get it all wrong? Maybe I’m projecting something personal into the conspiracy world and getting lost, something like that.

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      Alex , you know your instincts and you know your sister. Which of the two can you rely on to be accurate, dependible, and steadfast to your internal self? That self that knows life is now one big advertising campaign for our internal self. The private self. The sacred self.
      Something is diffidently going on in Spain as well as the Horse industry in the U.S.A.. The world has gone mad and maybe Norm and your sister have the inside track on what’s what. There is always a longshot around the corner, and a signpost up ahead saying go back. Women are such wonderful creatures and in my experience they rarely read signs or follow directions. The question you raise is one that needs answering. Has the manipulations by outside entities eroded our instincts to the point we have no spark of life, creativity or imagination left. What can we count on without these things? Are we men or bulls in a ring or horses on a track being destroyed for some perverse entertainment and profit? There is a thread that holds all the advertising fakery of this world together and the question is if we find it should we pull it to unravel the fabric of present day life? I see things in nature that have resisted mans weavings and somehow believe there in lays the answer to the thread that holds it all together. Maybe that’s what Chomsky s saying about ” the doing” of the Dr. Stangeloves of the world. Why can’t we be satisfied with the mass manipulations of our emotions by the great composers of the world and call it a day?
      We are in the dog days of summer here. I want you to know I enjoy your musings and for a minute i have forgot about the oppressive heat. THank you Alex!

      • alexandre says:

        Thank you, generalbottlewasher. I’m glad it’s at least a valid question. I’m beginning to think that logic is actually fluid. It is one thing or another depending on other factors. I thought it was a straight thing, so when you apply some logic you learned, suddenly it doesn’t work anymore and you’re the crazy one. If 4+4=8, if you follow the logic, then 8+8=16, ok. But then you get to 16+16 and suddenly it makes 27, or 31. How come?

        I learned the term “manufacturing consent” with Chomsky himself – in the Canadian(?) documentary of the same name by Mark Archbar and Peter Wintonick (the term coming from Walter Lippmann’s book “Public Opinion”, right?) But when it comes to social media now, somehow that doesn’t apply anymore. I’m not saying there’s a big campaign specifically to stop bullfighting in Spain, just that it is the kind of thing that belongs in a bigger campaign of “consensus manufacturing”, about everything, bulls included. Anything that makes people pain and yell in disgust, and en masse, in order to manufacture “a better world”. And if I apply other logics I learned with, say Joseph Campbell, and think of the importance that folklore and mythology have in a society, trying to respect the toradas even being disgusted by them personally, thinking “who are we to decide what’s right or wrong for Spain” etc, then suddenly I’m reading too much into it.

        This fluid logic seems so crystallized in intelligent people that they find it very strange when you (a mere you) think somehow that 16+16=32. And in order for you to learn this fluid logic, you must attend some university for many years, so you learn “how to think”. I’ve seen this over and over with bright learned people, Chomsky included, and so I start to think that I don’t know how to think, and thus I shouldn’t mess with anything outside my field, music. And jazz music at that, because if I go too far in Classical music, same thing starts to happen, for I didn’t learn music in school. You start to shut up and confine your already shrinking self to one thing only, on the corner of your tinny rubber room. That would be one well desired effect for the PTSB. Yes, I do know myself to a great extent and what I do is finally tell them all to go f*** themselves. But some times, like now, I begin wondering…. “Could they be right? Am I going insane?” By the way, is this Gaslighting?

        Thank you for your kind words.
        Alex.

        • generalbottlewasher says:

          Alex, I have concerns over the majority of the population getting Alhzthiemers (spl?) disease. Either the brain wasting type or the programming code type. This is where 16+16=27 makes sense. And as i have experienced it really makes you question your sanity. Was it the Milligrahm experiments that showed you just need a couple of wackos to change the minds and influence the crowds behavior to go against what they would otherwise thank. 16+16 does equal 27 and they all will swear the goofball was the guy who said it equaled 32.
          What will happen when the people start showing clinical signs of brain wasting after breathing all the metal in our breathing column. Industrial pathology indicates metals are bad to breathe and outcomes are predictable. We are in for some loony times ahead. I might could live through it all if it were accompanied by a really good sound track.

          • alexandre says:

            Ha, indeed. Well, I think you’re a conspiracy nut! I’ll report you to the Central Services at once! Everything is just fine, and the world is getting better and more civilized. But seriously, Chomsky said exactly that once, that even though we see all this going on, it’s still better (more civilized) than the 50s and 60s. Since indeed there are much more people knowing about conspiracies, it’s indeed more civilized. Still it goes on and on, which for me means it doesn’t matter to know or not to know. It will go on, and man, what you said is creepy fortissimo. I don’t know about the “programming code type”. I have a friend, great artist, Gil Vicente, have a look – indeed everyone have a look at this guy’s work. The work is called “Enemies”, a series of self-portraits killing high power people (Pope, Ariel Sharon, the Queen etc)

            http://www.gilvicente.com.br/inimigos.html

            The Bienal, where it was exposed I think in 2010, is a highly prestigious event in SĂŁo Paulo (the big city), invitation only (not the public, the artists must be invited). Can you imagine this today? “Inciting violence” would be the least of his problems. He is from Pernambuco, up there in the northeast. Well, this guy got Alhzthiemers now and is “disappearing” as we speak. Maybe he was poisoned? I don’t know, but it’s interesting that after such a slap in the face of a work, he gets Alhzthiemers. Great guy, great humor, truly sad.

            Anyway, yes, what will it be in the future. Since I’m already 55, I hope I don’t last too long to see. It’s “unsustainable” for my psyche as it is.

            And now I’m going down with a terrible flu all of a sudden. Somebody shoot me! (Smiley face).

            Where can I check the “programming code type”?

            abrax

            • generalbottlewasher says:

              Alex, again probably just in my head. The brain damage by chemical exposure from multiple sources with the high energy electrical forcing combined with the M.K. Ultra type psychological coding and { advertising campaign } programming. The effect is as a scrambled thought process equal too the Alhzthiemer pathology.
              Or as i state down the page on my rant about brain dead morally corrupt Liberals that are close to being brain dead. The old ads, long time ago stated ” a mind is a terrible thing to waste.” How apropos!

    • mkey says:

      Knowing yourself and your sister equally poorly, in this situation as you described it, I’d side with you (if not your point of view) simply because she used derisive remarks instead of tackling the argument itself.

      Debate is something the modern human being ia not well versed in.

      As far as the argument goes, I am completely unaware of the issue you brought up, but I do think we could do with less cruelty in general ans we could also do with less double standards. Now, I’m not sure how much animal anguish is there in the arena, but I’m quite certain that amount is dwarfed by anguish experienced by animals on an intercontinental transport ship carrying 10.000 sheep and 5.000 cattle – live animals transported for thousands of miles to be slaughtered on the distant location thanks to trade agreements and shortsighted legislation.

      Being cynical about an issue crazy does not you make.

      • cooly says:

        Alex, general, and mkey-

        Reading your discussion prompted me to chime in with my two cents, which does not address all the issues you guys brought up.

        Whenever I hear of a bullfighter being gored to death or maimed, I am happy. When a big game “hunter” is killed when the elephant he just shot falls over on him, which apparently happened recently, I am happy. Fuck those people. The male ego is so fragile and easily reinforced. Just kill something. And the industrialized torture of food-source creatures, shooting up race horses with snake venom so they don’t feel the pain of their bodies being destroyed by humans who seek a few more dollars is just more evidence of human arrogance and intellectual immaturity.

        Non-human creatures are people too.They just speak a language which doesn’t include nouns and vowels. They have the same spark as us, just different bodies.

        Carry on.

        • pearl says:

          “Whenever I hear of a bullfighter being gored to death or maimed, I am happy. When a big game ‘hunter’ is killed when the elephant he just shot falls over on him, which apparently happened recently, I am happy.”

          Me too!!

          Note to Alex: So sorry you’re down and out. Hope you bounce back real soon.

          • alexandre says:

            Thanks pearl. I also get sick if I see a mere picture of a bullfight. What I was trying to consider though is the folkloric / mythological aspects of the toradas, where they come from, all the cultural aspects that we have no idea and try, at least try, before judging, to see if there’s something there I don’t know about that changes the whole issue. Also if it’s a campaign to mobilize people to something we’ll only understand much later on, using such sensitive subject as the toradas to enchant everybody. In fact I posed this question to Chomsky and he didn’t reply yet. Maybe he’s …… thinking … about it? Ha ha…

            Ouch, my belly…shit…aya…

            In any case if I had a button to stop bullfighting, I’d push it quickly. And I’d like one of those buttons also for the monarchy, and governments and corporations and the UN and the military and and and..

            aya…my belly….ouch…

            • pearl says:

              I hear ya. I finally gave up on the big, red, easy button I got from Amazon a few years ago. No matter how many times I pushed, slammed or pounded it, things stayed the same! Imagine that!

              My initial piping in here was really nothing more than my expressing a commonality with Cooly’s sentiment of fallen brutes. But as to the debate with your sister, I think it’s a shame that your common sense and wariness was met with heated insults. I’ll bet you a dollar she regrets her temper. If and when she returns to her senses, hopefully she’ll consider the things you said (which she’ll likely never admit to you).

              Now, Go! Get back in bed! Focus on regaining your good health. In addition to Bottlewasher’s excellent advice, take a break from the bad news; listen to something that will make you smile, and see the good things that are all around you.

              • alexandre says:

                Thanks. My sister and I are very close and we know each other too well. We discuss and fight but always with respect. The heat is the Argentinean blood, and her problem is similar to my mom’s, who knew, when she was alive, that knowing certain things is not good for ya, you know? So I understand and continue telling her everything. Today I told her about the monkey-man thing, she just said “my god” and reminded me of the epsilons in Brave New World, how they were created etc. So everything is ok. She gets really upset when the thing goes too far, (and do they ever?) and this thing with toradas she maintains should be banned. I agreed, but told her that when the global community comes for fat people, she better not complain.

                I will drink coconuts and limes, and listen to some BartĂłk. Actually I’m in the mood for some Stockhousen – you guys know “Mantra”? Uft. No, maybe some Ravel is best. Soothing. Whatever makes me fart more, goddammit. Getouttahere, you gases you!

                If I didn’t see the beauty around me, and so much of it, I’d be much better off. It’s exactly because I see it that it’s so hard to watch what’s going on.

                What was the thing about fallen brutes?

  20. alexandre says:

    By the way, the last Corbett Propaganda Watch gave me THE creeps. I’ll watch it again now.

  21. generalbottlewasher says:

    Alex, and Mkey, those thought provoking words carry away the 100 years of solitude Im suffering with, almost like the flu you are tormented by Alexandre.
    Mkey you bring up a good point, { Debate is something the modern human being is not well versed in. } an obvious point that people around the ” Oil Capitol” just refuse to acknowledge.
    Yesterday while cooling down after a round of golf a debate began over Handicaps and score cards. The liberal said he must turn in the card to register his handicap with some app that archives such sporting information. I said that is a worthless card for that because it did not reflect reality. Was there a way to add an astric to the number so other competitors would know the numbers generated where not true. He looked as if he was lost, stammering he could only appeal to authority to get away from such a pure confounding thought. On at least 9 occasions he picks up his ball off the green and states a score before the ball goes into the hole. What most would say was ” a gimmy ” . His excuse to make it real was the idea in his head that he was speeding up the play in accordance with the new 2019 PGA rules. I had to remind him when playing for treasure speed was not a part of the equation, and the total score was counted when the ball falls in the hole ending play. His liberal self serving and cavalier accounting was as fake as Mark Mcguire , Barry Bonds home run stattics. He still has no clue. What in the world are we to do? Gambling is a sacred endeavor. 16+16 =32 not 27. Having not even attempted the final putt reality goes into the Twilight Zone!

    • alexandre says:

      Wow, not even golf? Once a friend told me a story about some African tribe that had a system of justice that went as follows: Once a year you have the “Settle the score day” or “reckoning day”, where robbers have the option to have their feet or hands cut off, rapists are killed and so on. The level of crime in the tribe was zero. That’s a very simplistic way, but effective, my friend told me. (He’s a very simple guy himself). Indeed it doesn’t sound civilized or sophisticated, but neither do we as a civilization (which Gandhi said it was “a good idea”). Maybe we should be more spontaneous and honest with our primitive psyche, that hasn’t changed much since Neanderthal times, and just strike the fellow on the head with the gold club, followed by the phrase “So you were saying..?” That would be a revolutionary way to debate, I think.

      I have what doctors call “virose” over here. Virosis? A virus? Curiously the doctor told me to take a medicine that apparently is for intestinal worms, which makes sense since I have pains in the belly, but makes no sense if it’s a virus. Now, is that some sort of flu? Or worms? I sleep with my dogs, maybe they are giving me worms? In any case I’m slowly getting better – unless I get the flu AFTER the worms / virus… and thank you for your kind words. I do feel like fezes.

      • generalbottlewasher says:

        Take care Mistro ! Put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up, call me in the morning I’ll tell you what to do. [No joke numbers either. -JC].*

        *Im kidding, not a real phone # . I do hope you do get to feeling better! At 55 your still a viable hombre. You have unfinished work you must finish.

        • alexandre says:

          Man, you have no idea how old I am inside. I feel like 155. After Corbett’s last video and TruthStreamMedia’s last video, with that piece of shit Musk talking about Neuralink, now I feel like 1055.

          I’m taking some fart pills – Luftal? for gas, gases, farts – so I have less pain in the belly, but still weird. Let’s see.

          What unfinished work? I’m here just to entertain a bit with my pessimism, that’s all. I’m completely useless, hombre.

          Hey, I played golf once a long time ago in Sao Paulo – a strange place for a golf course, cause…you know, big city, and it was a small artificial course very near the end of the Airport’s runway. Can you imagine? I was “aiming” and suddenly this giant thing passed roaring above, almost gave me a heart attack. That’s Brazil for you. Terry Gilliam didn’t invent shit.

          • HomeRemedySupply says:

            Just some info…
            We all get parasites.
            We can get them from dogs, but also even get them from things/shelves/whatever we touch.
            The late Dr. Hulda Clark wrote about them. I once went to hear her talk.

            There are a variety of natural formulas for parasites. One includes the green hulls of Black Walnut, wormwood, and clove.
            Grapefruit Seed Extract can often help get rid of critters in the belly. Actually, I took about 20 drops today when my stomach felt weird after eating an enchilada.

            Anyway, just wanted to pass along some info.

  22. alexandre says:

    Has anybody seen …. Sam … Lowryyyy?

    Sorry, I’ll start again.

    Has anybody seen this? One more example of controlled opposition, sort of.

    https://www.projectveritas.com/google-document-dump/

  23. Camille says:

    My latest video.

    Dear Vegans, About those plant-based foods…
    https://youtu.be/YxdKhFUwmiU

    • mkey says:

      Good one, Camille. Resonates well with this video by Larken Rose.

      Vegan Dishonesty
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SACEVtjaa9Q

      I’d just like to note one thing: the way animals are being treated these days in the meat business has NOTHING to do with our meat eating habits (I’m very certain most of us could and should cut down a bit on meat usage, but it’s everyone’s personal preference) and has everything with the BUSINESS trying to squeeze every last penny out of this shameful behavior.

      Try to buy local and directly from the producer as much as possible.

  24. manbearpig says:

    The once scientific journal “Nature” is now so ensconced in censoring that it even has to censor itself! Find out more about what Judith Curry calls “The Latest Travesty in Consensus Enforcement”:

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/15/visibility-and-invisibility/

    “Climate deniers get more media play than scientists”??

    Not according to my regular polls! None of the people I ask, and I ask many both French and Native English speakers, Not ONE can even name a single, not one SINGLE “denier” by name or reputation, Except for the infamous denier of all things decent: “Trump”!

    (and as if it were a contest between deniers and scientists?? I thought most of the deniers WERE scientists!!)

    and on it goes…

    • manbearpig says:

      Just to give a taste of what outrageously fallacious propaganda passes for “scientific journal” writing, I’ve copy/pasted passages from the abstract and study entitled:

      Discrepancy in scientific authority and media visibility of climate change scientists and contrarians

      by Alexander Michael Petersen, Emmanuel M. Vincent & Anthony LeRoy Westerling

      Nature Communications
      volume 10, Article number: 3502 (2019)

      “We juxtapose 386 prominent contrarians with 386 expert scientists by tracking their digital footprints across ∌200,000 research publications and ∌100,000 English-language digital and print media articles on climate change
”

      so, I reiterate, they open the article by juxtaposing “contrarians” with “expert scientists” in a sorry bit of sophistry.

      Then, close on these heels, comes the insinuated “fake news websites” boogeyman:

      “…Here we show via direct comparison that contrarians are featured in 49% more media articles than scientists. Yet when comparing visibility in mainstream media sources only, we observe just a 1% excess visibility,

      which objectively demonstrates the crowding out of professional mainstream sources by the proliferation of new media sources, many of which contribute to the production and consumption of climate change disinformation at scale…”

      The paper itself opens with this objective, substantiated and scientific observation:

      “…Since the early 2000s there has been little disagreement among scientific experts over the fundamental evidence supporting the existence, origin, and societal significance of anthropogenic climate change (CC)1,2,3,4. Yet, while an anthropogenic cause is supported by an overwhelming majority of climate change scientists (CCS)5, climate change contrarians (CCC) have successfully organized a strong voice within politics and science communication in the United States6,7…”

      and then the cool use of value-judgement loaded adjectives in this part:

      “…Building on this framework, another recent study reports that contrarians have strategically shifted away from their external narrative—initially based upon challenging fundamental tenets of CC science (e.g., its anthropogenic origins), thereby positioning themselves as

      skeptics with legitimate scientific motives

      for dissent—to instead challenging assessments of CC impacts in an effort to

      impede the development of proactive regulations33…”

      GASP! impeding development those contrarian Rascals!

      Impeding development of taxes and restrictions that will by all evidence have no impact on Climate Change but that would, maybe…

      Impede the development of countries in need of basic necessities like electricity for example??

      Finally, in the results section it is admitted that at least SOME “prominent contrarians are scientists:

      “…All together, we constructed a list of 386 prominent contrarians, comprised of academics, scientists, politicians, and business people who are primarily anglophone…”

      but even they can’t hold water to the “pre-eminent and distinguished” control group described in the next sentences:

      “…These prominent scientists, many are pre-eminent CC experts with distinguished careers

      spanning several decades, serve as a size-balanced comparison group…”

      well, you get the idea. If you’d like to marvel at the sophisticated use of fallacies therein you may do so here:

      https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-09959-4.

      8-/

      • manbearpig says:

        Well Christopher Monckton of Brenchely says it better and puts his money where his mouth is:

        “…In the offending press release, you have described me and many other climate researchers who disagree with you on the question of global warming, and whose names were listed in the material linked to the press release, as “climate change deniers”. This term, with its deliberate and malicious overtone of pejorative comparison with Holocaust denial, is repeated at least five times in your press release – an indication of the extent and depth of your malice.

        You also describe us as people who “dismiss climate change”, have a “legitimacy they haven’t earned” and “lack scientific training”, as “a relative handful of non-experts”, as “not scientists”, as having “very thin credentials”, as “not in the same league with top scientists, as “not even in the league of the average career climate scientist”, as “spreading misinformation” or “amplified misinformation” (the latter term being prominent and in color in a large, emboldened subheading, and then repeated later in the text), as “not accepting the results of climate science”, as having “biased judgments 
 even when faced with documented facts”, as prone to “political cues, ideological biases, cultural worldviews and even personal weather experiences”, as saying “climate change doesn’t exist”, as advancing “not a credible argument or a means of balancing”, as guilty of “false balance” and “disinformation”, as “climate contrarians”, as guilty of “acute misrepresentation of information aimed at misleading the public for political gain” and of “widespread disinformation efforts”, as implicitly involved in “a well-financed propaganda campaign on behalf of conservative fossil fuel interests”, as “non-experts presiding over scientific discourse”, and as “counterpoints to legitimate, experienced and disciplined climate scientists” who are “given a measure of credibility they do not deserve”.
        By this letter I give notice that, subject to anything you may say within the next seven days, I propose to report you for fraud to the prosecuting authorities in the United Kingdom, where your press release has been widely circulated, in the United States, where you perpetrated your fraud, and internationally to Interpol…”

        Read the whole succulent missive here:

        https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/17/the-nature-communications-hate-list-a-fast-moving-story/

        • manbearpig says:

          What’s the difference between Nature Communications (the author of the blacklisting hit piece on Climate Contrarions) and the journal Nature [Scientific Reports]? Here’s an obliging answer by

          Inna Vishik, Assistant professor of physics at University of California, Davis (2016-present)
          Answered May 1, 2018 · Author has 983 answers and 7.5m answer views

          [Nature] Scientific reports and Nature Communications are both open access journals from Nature Publishing Group.

          For [Nature] Scientific Reports, referees are asked to evaluate accuracy, but not novelty. This journal is recommended for[1]

          authors for whom speed of publication is a pre-requisite, to those whose paper is technically sound but reports a limited conceptual advance, or to those whose paper describes negative results.

          Nature Communications is intended for works that[2]

          represent important advances of significance to specialists within each field

          Nature Comm has a publication fee that is in a class all its own ($5700 per article!), while Scientific Reports has a publication fee that is more typical (<$2000 per article)…"

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