Same Facts, Opposite Conclusions – #PropagandaWatch

11/04/202056 Comments

So how do you start from the same facts and arrive at exactly opposite conclusions? Let’s find out as we delve into a recent report about lockdown-related deaths from The Sunday Times.

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  1. flammable says:

    I was a big follower of the mainstream “established” science on viral epidemics and pandemics. I followed the MSM articles on H1N1 pandemic religiously back in 2009. Quarantines and lockdowns were brought up back then and many experts thought it was ineffective. The argument against it was that we could not lockdown soon enough to stop the rapid spread of the virus.

    Now everything has been forgotten. Now everything is completely backwards. Lockdowns are not suppose to happen after a pandemic declaration but before. The whole point of a pandemic declaration is to warn the world that the spread of the virus cannot be stopped and countries must get ready to deal with massive death and hospitalizations. It has always been that way even in the January 2020 declaration. Only Larken Rose has pointed out the fact that public officials have admitted there was no stopping the spread and everything was suppose to be about lowering death rates.

    What changed this time was a strange phenomenon happened in the public. People kept assuming the spread could be stopped and not just death lowered. The spread of fear worked too well. The original plan was to get the public fearful and angry at the unstoppable pandemic and offer a solution from death just like every other pandemic. But now the people in power updated their plans and narratives realizing the people forgot what a pandemic declaration means.

  2. AuntJennie says:

    Professional liar, Vera Etches was doing pretty much the same thing, shifting but not changing the narrative at all. Comparing 2 articles, one in the ottawa citizen and one in ctv news, the focus and twist is a little different but the plan is still the same.

    “Ottawa’s Medical Officer of Health is recommending a new approach for the capital to deal with the COVID-19 pandemic – learning to coexist with the virus.”

    Vera’s salary is 10X the poverty level under which many Canadians live. Right?

    Municipalities & Services
    Etches
    Vera
    $259,016.52
    $995.64

  3. james.w says:

    Time Magazine takes the “Great Reset” and runs with it:
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/11/04/time-magazine-features-the-great-reset-slimeball-edition-for-your-edification/
    https://time.com/collection/great-reset/
    The fabrication features bloviations from “leading thinkers,” all pointing to the need for a complete revamping of our world, because…pandemic.

    Well, actually, because: the economic devastation and consequent ruination of untold numbers of lives.

    In other words, “We crashed the world economy and stilled the engine of the planet’s production, using the pretext of a fake pandemic; so now we must remake all economies and governments.”

    That’s Time’s unspoken version of logic.

    Their number-one go-to reset thinker is Klaus Schwab, founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum. His chunk of hot air is titled, “A Better Economy Is Possible. But We Need to Reimagine Capitalism to Do It”:

    Sustainable future; more inclusive corporate hiring practices; reduce greenhouse gases. It could have been written in 1999.

    But that doesn’t matter. What matters is, the whole world must be changed. This is the mantra.

    The world must be changed by Globalists.

  4. gauntlet33 says:

    I’m in SoCal in the San Fernando Valley of LA. Just this last weekend, I saw HUNDREDS of humvees (military hummers) at a parking lot near the Lake Balboa golf course (that weren’t there earlier this summer), and I wouldn’t be surprised if cities across the US and around the world have the same.

    Keep your heads up people!

    • scpat says:

      I am currently living in the central valley, just north of you. Two days ago when I was driving to work I looked up and saw on the highway overpass, a train transporting military tanks (and other seemingly unrelated cargo) northbound. When I saw that I thought it was a bit odd, but there are several military bases in California and my region generally.

  5. james.w says:

    Big Tech is now interfering in the election counting and censoring Trump.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-tweet-claim/big-tech-struggles-to-curb-trump-misinformation-amid-u-s-vote-count-idUSKBN27K0NU?il=0
    Who made them judge, jury and executioners? Say what you want, that is free speech. Where were the facts presented to someone not under the gun from Trump?

  6. Qno says:

    It is an absolutely clear pattern in modern healthcare that if you get a disease:

    1) recieve medical care and live, brilliant medical care
    2) receive medical care and die, serious disease
    3) avoid medical care, reckless but lucky, minor disease
    4) avoid medical care and die, medicine could have saved you

    What this proves is the folly of the circumstantial association, and that history is written by the most powerful. Oh, and that most people are very bad at evaluating evidence, logical reasoning, and seeing the bigger picture.

    But the clue is in the inconsistency lacking any proof of causal association, and that means you need to see the whole picture not just a single piece of data. But when it comes to government, the default in the absence of solid proof must always be no control and no law. And even if there is proven causation, AND clear supporting science in favour of the measures, there is always personal autonomy to be considered.

    • Blameitontheboogie says:

      Absolutely. If people want to lock themselves away and want to wear masks, as foolish as those things are, let them do it but people should be free to make their own decisions.I really resent being told what to do, which actually goes against the evidence anyway, by people I didn’t vote for, have no respect for and who barely seem to have two brain cells to rub together. They impose ridiculous measures by the use of force, fines and threatened jail sentences which are far in excess of the potential risk even going by the official figures which I don’t believe anyway.

  7. mkey says:

    Testing, that’s where it’s all at. Testing needs to be undermined as much as possible, that is the source of all the data and psycho logic.

    • normic says:

      Yup, mkey I agree. Hey James, I was waiting for the other side of the story that the lock downs and other draconian measures “likely” lowered viral and flue infections stats for the same time period. As the RPC testing will give a positive for a number of strains of flue, corona and H1N1. Is it possible that the positives were all called covid19 when in fact they were one of the other possibilities? Subtract that from the Covid case stats and we would get a clearer look at the “Pandemic” and also this “second wave”. 🙂

    • Blameitontheboogie says:

      If the testing stopped it would be bye bye covid19 which is of course why they won’t do it.

  8. 9tH says:

    From belgium… i’ve looked at the number of deaths/million from the world-o-meter comparing the number of those countries where HCQ was used as prevention or from an early stage with that number from the countries where the medicin is prohibited since the april publication in the Lancet, based on a faked test. The information needed can be found on these links: https://hcqtrial.com/ and https://c19study.com/

    I think mass murder be not too exaggerated

    • 9tH says:

      also, i think the location of those countries where it is prohibited and where not is quite interesting. Doesn’t the majority have an aged population?

      Anyone else have a guess about what the reason for this could be? Is it random? Or does it fit an/the agenda?

      • CreativeLife says:

        Did you look at the FAQ to see who, what and where and why this very cleverly put together report comes from? Oh, and don’t forget the one that is right along with it, the Cov19study. Expect to see a lot more of this marketing.
        You will note that other drugs being marketed by big pharma are also on the top of the c19study. They are not going to let this second wave of goblins and ghosts to waste. Be prepared for mind games that you haven’t ever dreamt could exist, now that they have the majority in their self sabotaging trance.

        The phantom virus with the phantom testing, is now got the 2nd marketing plan in a different form of computer model, with the phantom researchers, scientists and doctors included in the FAQ. Their excuse for not verifying anything they say is…..well, read it for yourself. Lots of energy going into this psychological operation:
        HCQ is a clever trap.
        Using a negative sales-like approach baiting those within the false L/R paradigm. The more the L tries to discredit it and limit access, the more the R thinks it must be beneficial and clamors to take it.
        It’s a baiting psyop one calls called ”A skism of trust”…

        “A schism of trust”.
        A psychological operation, an intentional population control mechanism used to influence a target audience.
        I’ve put lots of info up before on this very dangerous confidence game.

        • 9tH says:

          i don’t waste time on any pharmaceutics myself. I just spent 14 days in a quarantine, after my daughter got the ronas. She is allergic to kinine, so hcq, plaquenil is never an option. Just like anything that contains acetylsalicylacid, whether natural or chemical, is a no go. iow, as a mom i had to stick to the herbal remedies that could replace the herbs that have the stuff, like willow bark etc. That marketing you speak of is wasted on me. I used the pages i have linked to compare to the countries where it is prohibited. Is all.

          It looks like you deny the very existence of this frankenstein virus? Right?
          The medicine is in use in africa and other places, to treat malaria. So maybe you think also malaria is a ghost-disease?

          Maybe you can link the pages you tell me to go read for me? Saves me the time, of which you claim i waste on a ‘ghost study’.

          • CreativeLife says:

            9tH and daughter, I do hope she is well. Friendly little word rona, isn’t it? Fits the mainstream narrative like a cute little mitten.

            I’m actually glad for your response. It helps me more than you can know. People do tire, especially when the see the conditioning they are up against.

            I do not take my 40 years of education and research lightly, I have an extensive library and a circle of well respected passionate friends and colleagues to draw from. Many articles and books in pdf have been shared here. Many visitors have come and gone. Most of us will be gone in the near time to come, so people like yourself need not feel threatened by thought outside the sphere of allopathic influence. The ethical writings and values of ethical research must be upheld and preserved. Likely, it will be buried in the darkness that seems to descend more every day.

            A few of us are left to stand in anticipation of the upcoming paradigm shift that philosopher Thomas Kuhn spoke of in his remarkable work on the revolutionary restructuring of scientific discipline, and that Georgio Agamben wrote of in Medicine as a Religion. JC has left heartfelt references byway of his investigative journalism and reports of the Rothskefeller’s influence on the medical industry, Eustace Mullins and his incredible book Murder by Injection, the Flexnor Report etc. etc.

            It is my humble opinion that; unless the masses are open to understanding the influence of the spell craft they are under, and how all forms of media (which by the way, is the plural for medium) are being used to infiltrate and influence their decisions both subconsciously and consciously, we have little hope to defeat the Leviathan we face.
            JC repeatedly speaks of the methods of propaganda and subversion being used, and has given profound notes on many thought influencers of the last century.

            The University of Holly Wood TV and Holly Net have now granted Phase 1 diplomas en masse, after attending their 24/7 classes for one full term. The faculty of ‘New Normal’ has memorized their professor’s narratives and are ready now to broadcast their new normal message with great certainty and a reimagined future.

            Cont’d below “You might”

            • CreativeLife says:

              Cont’d from above

              You might, think of it this way, you have psychic mediums channeling into your brain constantly through everything mode of media around you.
              It is not worth it to warn someone of possible harmful influences, or suggest to be mindful of their sources. Especially now. I could list for you extensive articles and research on Malaria, court cases filed by veterans, Africans, even. Malaria theory contains many anomalies, CDC web biology reports, the WHO on malaria vaccine implementation, the discovery of Alphonse Laveran. The use of Microscopy or RDT before antimalarial treatments are started, which is is out of a 2018 World Malaria Report. The life of David Livingstone is quite interesting, of course in a Western country the symptoms of fever, headache and chills would likely be regarded as a cold or a flu, but since he was exploring in Africa it became what he called symptoms of acute malaria. The whole mosquito thing gets very interesting as well.
              https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=malaria

              The incredible research that has been done in the use of Quinines, Chloroquines, etc. Herbert Shelton’s work, In Natural Hygiene, Man’s Pristine Way of Life. These poisons have wrecked nervous systems, caused blindness and deafness and no case of malaria was ever cured by their use. All excerpts are from written reference material and studies.

              Many who are outside of the mainstream narrative, (that is now cemented in all media like an impenetrable wall; Holly Wood TV, Movies and Holly Net) are tiring and sensing their efforts are more futile everyday. This is about your blood and your breath. All that gives you life. I could list articles, interviews, books, research, veteran’s court cases.
              What would be the point?

  9. Jermaine says:

    Ah the good ole “We gotta get em’ over there so we don’t get attacked here” argument. Smh, So many parallels with the phony war on terror narrative.

  10. 9tH says:

    Anyone read this letter, written by Carlo Maria Viganò, the nuncio of the US-catholic church, addressing Trump? Maybe been posted before, it is already a few days old..
    Vigano has caused controversy before, openly critisizing pope francis for how he reduced the punishment of the US upper catholic for pedophilia. He does not shy to call out corruption within the vatican neither.

    The letter is quite remarkable, imo. It calls out the plans of the elites, their reset by which they re-shape out world. The man still hopes that Trump is on the side of liberty.. A tragi-comedy..

    I don’t know if it is a real letter evene, but whatever it may, the writer seems to be very aware of the danger of our times.

    “Open letter to DonaldTrump from Carlo Maria Viganò, Former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America. It spells out the dark storm clouds of what’s coming… that Bill Gates will release a COVID-21 virus next year to usher in their worldwide globalist totalitarian state.” from a Nigerian site:
    http://www.nairaland.com/6216802/covid-21

    Also. There is a movie out. Called “Covid 21- Lethal virus”. In it, global warming causes an ancient virus to be released, pandemic treathens the world and a heroin virologist and her team save the day. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt11246434/

    clown world..

  11. biek says:

    Seems to be getting embroiled in straw man arguments…

    On March 20th the UK government removed Covid-19 from the list of high consequene infectious diseases, stating truthfully that it is of low consequence and would have a low death rate. (The high consequence diseases are things like Ebola and Rocky Mountain Haemorrhagic fever which in any epidemic could kill big chunks of the population.) This reclassification to “Low Consequence” happened just before the lockdown legislation was pushed through parliament.

    The lockdown legislation was introduced for two stated reasons: To support the NHS, to protect the vulnerable. The NHS had declared a level 4 emergency anticipating overwhelm (not necessarily an actual overwhelm) The vulnerable were stated to be the elderly and infirm.
    The government still quotes these asinine pretexts as justification and nowadays plays with faked-up statistics and the bogeyman R number..

    The UK government as the mother of all parliaments that other countries of the Commonwealth of Nations model themselves on, during late March communicated directly to the other governments directing them to do similar, and reported these actions in their published daily news bulletin.. Then on YouTube I witnessed one person declaring herself to be a Rhodes Scholar as her qualification for giving directions, which told me immediately that this is a global elite operation.

    That countries around the world comply to impose lockdowns is no democratic process at all but is deferring to hidden world authority that began to be set up with the Oxford roundtable in 1890 and now has many offshoot influence groups (including the WHO, UN agencies, Bilderberg, Club of Rome and many others). To become a Rhodes Scholar or anybody of influence you have to early on declare support for a single world government, and show high ability, and once in and trained you can then get fast-tracked to be a party leader (meaning all political party leaders in all countries of the Commonwealth..)

    Worth stating here that the roundtable set up in 1890 was the brainchild of HRH later HM King Edward VII and converting the colonies into faked-up democracies where all parties answered to the same hidden control was/is a way to hide the Sovereign’s influence, preserve and expand the British Empire and increase the level of control. The late Queen Victoria had survived 6 assassination attempts..

    Whereas the Queen is the head of the Commonwealth of Nations, her consort Prince Philip is the head of the European Royal families. The UK Prime Minister reports to the reigning Sovereign every day, and it is nowadays popularly supposed that she is a mere figurehead.

    The Royal Family are players in the global elite, but they are not the only ones, and are not necessarily the top of the heap.

    Just so you know..

    • hidetora says:

      > The lockdown legislation was introduced for two stated reasons: To support the NHS, to protect the vulnerable.
      In every country that has a socialized healthcare system, the supposed overwhelming of the hospitals was one of the main pretexts to impose lockdowns.
      The tactic is always the same, the government invents a new right, makes you have a harder time to have access to the service that was elevated to a right and ends up using that made-up right as an excuse to infringe on every right you have.
      Even before the fraudemic, it was clear that socialized healthcare is the prime example of this.

      • mik says:

        “…socialized healthcare…”

        What a meaningless construct, but if you come from certain belief system you might find some meaning, no matter how poor explanatory power of the construct is.

        Today we basically have two varieties of healthcare system (and mixtures): one based on Solidarity the other on Individualized health insurance.

        Before entering discussion we have to be aware of a fact, maybe I can say axiom:

        No one have foreknowledge about his health fortune.

        Insurance based might be preferable for rich people who can afford high premiums. Some well standing will also be attracted by this system, but since the highest premiums are out of reach for them they will end with to low caps for eventual future medical conditions.

        Solidarity based systems should logically be preferable to most of the people. No one wants to be in dire need of medical help, but it’s good to have everything possible if in need.

        Yeea, nowadays is prevailing who will pay, I won’t pay for useless eaters, danglers. All healthcare is in problems one way or the other.
        It’s amazing how the main culprits are so well hidden from public scrutiny and they are: monopolistic dogmatic medicine, pharma corporations, health insurance. The problem is not on the demand side, it’s on supply side.
        Probably you heard about price-gauging of pharmaceuticals, an oxymoron for market economy(capitalism), there were few cases, but only in conjunction with pharmaceuticals, I don’t know any case elsewhere.
        The whole medical industry is price-gauging over the top, but they can’t be called out using supposedly oxymoronic arguments.

  12. hidetora says:

    Excelent video James.

    We are dealing with a cult, we may show whatever data we want and it still won’t change their “opinion”.

    Scientism has one dogma
    the infallibility of the experts, in contrast with papal infallibility however, it is not limited in scope. The experts anointed by the msm and the global stakeholders are infallible in matters such as laws of nature, laws of human behaviour and morals.
    And when the experts reach a consensus, that consensus is to be believed by all the faithful and infidels alike until another consensus is reached.
    The present consensus is always to be held as a fact, however scientistic infallibility is not immutable.
    If a present consensus contradicts a previous consensus, it doesn’t contradict the infallibility dogma because scientistic infallibity only applies to the present moment when science hasn’t ever been as advanced and therefore that previous consensus was never really a consensus to begin with.

    • biek says:

      Aka “sacred science”. See Lifton’s Criteria that are used to determine whether brainwashing is in use. You can say it is brainwashing if all 8 criteria apply.

  13. Magmon says:

    Great work James!😃
    Hope you had a fabulous time with ya band!
    Up is down and down is up? Yerr me hearties…
    My thought includes a particular con-CERN.
    Watched a doco sometime -before the hysteria- about the research in that place with the powerful magnets and the world’s greatest copper deposit (😂) Dimensions is what they are after,… Yes, from one of the horses mouth!
    Messing with time and space and our consciousness possibly….
    My normie family and people running shops etc. here in Oz, have welcomed the border closure between state borders so ” they ” dont bring their germs up here… ! The propaganda is using peoples survival instincts and protective behaviour to devide and conquer our minds.

  14. geisha says:

    Thanks for this simple but eye opening analysis, which pinned down the problem very nicely.

    I think the instigators of this multifaceted layered ‘event’ were (are) smarter (in this respect anyway) than we/I thought.

    They created a story, starting with the horror videos freely coming out of China via the internet. This created fear. Trump, Obama, Bush, … already had created division among the people.

    On a solid rock of fear, every aspect of the corona ‘event’ has been politicized. Hijacked/sponsored ‘social movements’ and riots have been used to deepen the divide.

    This made almost all real or misinterpreted facts a matter of belief.

    I see there is no reasoning with people who swallowed ‘the official narrative’ even if you go down to the basics (e.g., The Truth about Lockdowns). Just as I wouldn’t buy the test case = morbidity narrative either (of course I know more and I am right! 😉

    But seriously, the situation is dire. It’s like 2 bubbles growing bigger and bigger until they explode whenever they touch.

    I cling to optimism and hope. What else can you do?

  15. joseph says:

    ***QFC***
    James,

    Thank you for letting us know yet again about bias and correlation not being causation. You and MANY others often mention “First Principles”. I happen to be a Libertarian / (min)Anarchist and know and have read Aristotle so I know what “First Principles” are. However, I really think it would be a FANTASTIC public service to have a video strictly dedicated to Aristotle & “First Principles”. I think alot of contemporary social commentators blithely use the term and do not realize how many people really don’t know what that is. Give Keith Knight a ring and let’s have a good sit down / chat about this absolutely wonderful subject material.

    THANKS JAMES!

    ***QFC***

  16. John Blaid says:

    What many people seem to be missing here with the no lockdown vs lockdown argument are the most important pieces of all, the human rights violations and how the lockdown itself violates the constitution in most if not all countries around the world. It doesn’t matter how many people that have died or would have died regardless of action, a lockdown violates human rights and that should NOT and CANNOT be acceptable regardless of circumstance.

    With all that said, nobody can scientifically claim that any deaths is attributed to the claimed “virus” because the claimed “virus” has yet to be proven to exist and cause any harm. By existence I mean that the particle which “virologists” look at has been isolated and purified and demonstrated through experiments and empirical science to be pathogenic where it is only found in unhealthy subjects and not healthy. This is Koch’s Postulates, the logical and scientific rules to identify an infectious agent that shows that X causes Y. Since that has not been done then nobody can claim that the particle they look at is a killer “virus”.

    Now there are studies out there that claim isolation in their title and abstract which is false because what “virologists” call isolation is not isolation in the every day sense of the word meaning the separation from everything else. They call the death of the cell(cytopathic effect) in cell cultures as isolation which is a problem because they use impure samples in a cell culture and always introduce toxins and starve the cells of nutrients and they never take this into account. Not only that but by adding toxins and various agents to an impure sample can’t possibly isolate anything.

    Let say you want to isolate a person, do you go around looking to gather a crowd of people to join in the crowd you’re already in and then add a bunch of animals to the mix as well? Do you then look for a certain event to take place and determine that the event could only be caused because Mr Smith was in the crowd? Of course not but that is essentially what “virologists” are doing when they are looking for the cytopathic effect(death of the cell) in cell cultures during what they call “isolation”.

    Please check out my research summary if you haven’t already where I provide 22 “virus” challenge responses from various countries like England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, UK, Canada, New Zealand and Australia that shows the lack of evidence for the existence of the “virus”. It also includes the scientific evidence regarding the faulty PCR and “antibody” tests and the false science behind “antibodies” and what these proteins actually do in contrast to what we have been taught.

    Research summary and debunk regarding the existence of “SARS-CoV-2” and “COVID-19”
    https://steemit.com/health/@johnblaid/research-summary-and-debunk-regarding-the-existence-of-sars-cov-2-and-covid-19

  17. Viv Aldistaw says:

    You’ve summed it all up perfectly. Propaganda 101. It’s like climate alarmists. Tornado? Climate change. Still? Climate change.
    Blizzard? Climate change.
    Heatwave? Climate change. Hey YouTube are making it harder and harder to find / make comments too.

    • cu.h.j says:

      The climate change thing was emotional for me. I used to be a staunch believer in man-made climate change, that it was an indisputable fact and what got me was the emotional aspect of it. The starving polar bear broke my heart. But I learned that was propaganda. I also learned there are scientists who challenge the climate change narrative.

      Not saying we know exactly how everything works or that human pollution isn’t a factor, but the carbon narrative is highly questionable now. Especially now that I know about the geoengineering going on. Who knows what that is doing to the climate.

  18. Kensky says:

    One fact is pretty consistent. For every 1% rise in unemployment, you will get more suicides.

    A 1% increase in unemployment leads to over 36,000 “deaths of despair”
    Posted on April 2, 2020 by S. Smith
    One of the most-studied topics in economics is the effect of unemployment on mortality. A wonderful op-ed at Children’s Health Defense, penned by economist Toby Rogers explains this connection, and the research behind it.

    “A more recent meta analysis of 42 studies conducted in 15 countries on the relationship between unemployment and all-cause mortality found that unemployment increased the risk of dying by 63%“

    SOURCE: https://republicreborn.com/2020/04/02/a-1-increase-in-unemployment-leads-to-over-36000-deaths-of-despair/

    KMAN, editor, DIGILEAK

  19. scpat says:

    So, if not by data, how are those who support lockdown and government control supposed to see the light? The first question I would ask is: why did they swallow the narrative in the first place? I think this comes down to human psychology. They believe it for the same reasons they believe claims made by other authority figures.

    Is that the reason then? This boils down to people not thinking critically and just trusting the authorities who tell them the lockdowns are necessary? It would seem that way, but like anything there are probably a lot of other variables at play.

    So if that is true, why do they trust authority figures on these issues? Is it from the obedience training taught by schools, parenting, and society in general? Is it films like Contagion and other Hollywood movies that subtly seed the ideas of trusting authorities to handle a disaster?

    I think all of these things are contributing factors. People believe things for reasons they are not even aware of. The chronic, subtle, exposure to certain narratives, ideas, traditions, and societal customs can seep into consciousness and affect what people believe and how they act.

    • cu.h.j says:

      Very astute observation here. People are not looking at the evidence with their mind, but with their emotions and the desire to conform. Additionally, some people are germaphobes, it’s instinctual or some kind of OCD (just my observation).

      That is how we must change opinions, not only by facts. JC had a podcast years ago “logic is not enough”.

      The way we are living now with germaphobia and fear is not real life. It’s not how humans or any living being is supposed to live. I hate this with every fiber of my being.

      • scpat says:

        Yes, I hate it too, cu.h.j.

        I’ve been ruminating on this since the beginning, and it feels like many people’s reactions to this event are ‘built in’ and visceral. As if they aren’t quite thinking through the situation and are being pulled along by deep instincts. And you make a great point about certain people being germaphobes, or have some other OCD-type behaviors and so the idea of a dangerous, globally spreading virus just ignites their neurosis and confirms and validates their previous suspicions.

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      Ya’ll bring up some good points about swallowing the narrative in the first place.

      Sometimes, it is beyond me that many people refuse to view, study and ponder over information of substance. Weigh the data, not rely on status quo and authority.

      It seems almost like an inability. They don’t have the ability. They just can’t do it.
      It is like telling a person to do 10 pull-ups on the overhead bar.
      They can’t do one. They just are not able to.

      Fluoride – In Dallas for 6 years and over 100 presentations to the Dallas City Council, with tons of science studies and visuals and one-to-one interactions, for the most part, these elected officials have responded with yawns and “no interest”.

      I also see it with some friends and family. If it goes against the status quo, there is the inability to think beyond it.

      • cu.h.j says:

        Floride is interesting, seems to be toxic stuff, and may indeed affect the brains of people so they can’t think or are docile and don’t act.

        I think a lot of it is about psychological manipulation of the masses, the desire to believe a certain narrative regardless of the evidence if it is deemed dangerous by the unconscious mind. Also, the media and social media presenting many dramatic images that stir emotions have an effect I think.

        Also, the tendency to listen to authority regardless of what one’s own mind is telling them. Some people can’t or won’t question authority even if they know it’s wrong not to.

      • mkey says:

        I think someone on these boards mentioned a study done on students that asserted some 40% of participants don’t know what the inner voice is. Talk about unthinking masses.

  20. colosseum says:

    Here is another example where the narrative follows the underlying dogmatic premises, no matter of the two (potentially opposite) outcomes:

    —–
    Our universal use of unscientific face coverings is therefore closer to medieval superstition than it is to science, but many powerful institutions have too much political capital invested in the mask narrative at this point, so the dogma is perpetuated. *The narrative says that if cases go down it’s because masks succeeded. It says that if cases go up it’s because masks succeeded in preventing more cases.* The narrative simply assumes rather than proves that masks work, despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary.
    —–

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/29/these-12-graphs-show-mask-mandates-do-nothing-to-stop-covid/

  21. sikr says:

    Wouldn’t the “excess mortality” metric between a country that locked down and one that didn’t be a measure of the lockdown effectiveness?

    Here is a chart of Sweden (no lockdown) and Belgium (lockdown):

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=earliest..2020-10-04&country=BEL~SWE&region=World

    I don’t see how the lockdown helped.

  22. james.w says:

    Nature caught allowing altered data without notice to readers:
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/05/alina-chan-nature-medical-journal.aspx
    According to Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT, SARS-CoV-2 did not evolve in a manner you’d expect, had it jumped from an animal to a human. It sprang into action fully evolved for human transmission
    It appears Nature, a top medical journal, has allowed authors to secretly alter data sets in their papers without publishing notices of correction
    Chan’s investigation reveals authors have renamed samples, failed to attribute them properly, and produced a genomic profile that doesn’t match the samples in their paper. Others are missing data
    RaTG13 — the coronavirus that most resembles SARS-CoV-2, being 96% identical — is actually btCoV-4991, a virus found in samples collected in 2013 and published in 2016
    If SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19 and the subsequent response to it, came from a lab, then we need to reassess the future of gain-of-function research that allows for the weaponization of viruses

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      BUMP

    • mik says:

      “…we need to reassess the future of gain-of-function research that allows for the weaponization of viruses”.

      Exactly, that’s the most unspoken thing in ‘rona hysteria.

      Don’t take the following literally, it’s just vivid representation of my attitude.
      Those engaged in gain-of-function research (not pipette handlers) should be chopped to pieces and fed to stray dogs.

  23. Blameitontheboogie says:

    The daughter of a friend of mine in Britain is a nurse/practioner which is midway between a doctor and a nurse or as she says they do what doctors do for half the money. She had completed a training course in March but wasn’t due to take up a new post until July so she was due to work for three months in a large hospital in a very populous area of London where she had previously worked. This would have been for April, May and June. However she was told that she wouldn’t be needed. She told them that should that situation change to contact her and she would go and help them out. She was never contacted. So much for hospitals being overwhelmed and not being to cope because of this pandemic which closed down the country and most businesses.

  24. Fedor says:

    You can always say “it would be worse”. There is a good anecdote. One man is sprinkling salt on the road. Another man walking by asks him in curiosity:
    “Man, why are you doing this?”
    “Against crocodiles”
    “But there are no crocodiles here!”
    “Of course, there are no. Thats because I have sprinkled salt all around”

  25. yellowbird says:

    As a resident of Minnesota, I hear EVERY SINGLE YEAR… “this is the year” .. the Vikings are going to the Stupid Bowl. Every year people buy it, buy it , and buy it again. Just like the election.

    Is this a character issue or purely biological psychology..? Both, just like a real virus, a lie inhabits its host and alters their cells\mind. Yes, Sars-Cov-2 is a real virus, it’s DNA is simply a lie.

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      ” I hear EVERY SINGLE YEAR……the Vikings are going to the Stupid Bowl. Every year people buy it, buy it , and buy it again. Just like the election.

      That’s funny.

  26. Mielia says:

    9:20 I very much remember that pandata guy (Nick Hudson)
    pondering that exact epistemological question in the Q&A session of a presentation – I just sadly do not remember which video it was
    Neil Ferguson (“evidence then create some wild theory”) vs pandata (“create some reasonable theory and check if it is valid against the evidence”)

    apparently they have now been on Tom Woods too, gonna listen there for more

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