4 Times the US Threatened to Stage an Attack and Blame it on Iran

06/18/201939 Comments

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The US has threatened to stage an attack and blame it on Iran over and over in the last few years. Don’t let a war based on false pretenses happen again. Please share this video.

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1) PATRICK CLAWSON ON “CRISIS INITIATION”

CLAWSON: I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough and it’s very hard for me to see how the United States president can get us to war with Iran. Which leads me to conclude that if in fact compromise is not coming, that the traditional way of America gets to war is what would be best for US interests.

Some people might think that Mr. Roosevelt wanted to get us into World War II. As David mentioned, you may recall we had to wait for Pearl Harbor. Some people might think Mr. Wilson wanted to get us into World War I. You may recall he had to wait for the Lusitania episode. Some people might think that Mr. Johnson wanted to send troops to Vietnam. You may recall they had to wait for the Gulf of Tonkin episode. We didn’t go to war with Spain until the USS Maine exploded. And may I point out that Mr. Lincoln did not feel he could call out the federal army until Fort Sumter was attacked, which is why he ordered the commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly that thing would the South Carolinians had said would cause an attack.

So if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war.

[…]

I would just like to suggest that one can combine other means of pressure with
sanctions. I mentioned that explosion on August 17th. We could step up the pressure. I mean, look people, Iranian submarines periodically go down. Someday one of them might not come up. Who would know why? We can do a variety of things if we wish to increase the pressure. I’m not advocating that, but I’m just suggesting that this is not an either-or proposition of, you know, it’s just sanctions has to succeed or other things. We are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians. We could get nastier at that.

SOURCE: Patrick Clawson Responds to Questions, Full Video – 9/21/2012

2) ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI WARNS OF “A TERRORIST ACT BLAMED ON IRAN”

BRZEZINSKI: A plausible scenario for a military collision with Iran involves Iraqi failure to meet the bench marks followed by accusations of the Iranian responsibility for the failure, then by some provocation in Iraq or a terrorist act in the United States blamed on Iran culminating in a “defensive” US military action against Iran that plunges a lonely America into a spreading and deepening quagmire eventually ranging across Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

SOURCE: Zbigniew Brzezinski The Senate Foreign Relations Committee

3) GARY HART WARNS IRAN ABOUT “ANOTHER GULF OF TONKIN”

WE ARE CHANGE: Yes, you recently wrote a letter to the President of Iran in which you urge them to study the gulf of tonkin incident which we now know is a staged event used to justify war in Vietnam andyou also raise the question “Does America provoke provocations?” Sir, was this not an . . I have the letter right here sir if you want to read it I have it on me right here Oh sir I mean that’s mainstream media has been published in many publications do you deny writing that letter sir you say I can read it to you right now okay you said on presuming that you are not actually ignorant enough to desire war with the United States you might you might be well advised to read the history of the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana Harbor in 1998 and the history of the gulf of gulf of tonkin

HART: I’m sorry that was a blog or nothing to most I did not literally write a letter it was a mock letter read failed in doublespeak that the United States could stage an event to go to war with Iran no no then well what I was come in cheek saying was that we have an administration in Washington that is dying for a reason to bomb Iran and so in a mock blog letter to the Iranian government not the president of the Iranian government I just simply said if unless you people want to be bombed you better be careful about cross border incursions and I think I explicitly said keep the Republican Guard and revolutionary whatever it’s called away from the Iraqi border I was trying to communicate to the American people what our own government was trying to plan and that was to find a reason for bombing Iran and I was simply saying in effect to the American people through this mock letter be very careful about this administration creating a USS Maine incident or a Gulf of Tonkin incident that would justify popping around that’s all

SOURCE: Gary Hart WARNING – WeAreChange

4) SEYMOUR HERSH: CHENEY’S PLAN TO STAGE AN INCIDENT

FAIZ SHAKIR: There’s a bit at the end of this latest article that you wrote that I found actually most interesting. And the article hasn’t got that much attention but I want to get your take on this. And this relates to a stray or an incident that happened a couple months ago. Many of you remember. It was in the Strait of Hormuz. There was an incident where an American carrier almost blew a couple of Iranian speedboats out of the water and perhaps would have started the next war against Iran or potentially a World War III. And it was averted, thankfully, at the last second. We later learned that there was really nothing to be terribly concerned about—the incident was overblown—and that there was a vice admiral in charge of the fleet in the Strait of Hormuz who said basically there was no concern there. That it was overblown.

HERSH: But yeah, the second part basically. He was concerned but they were never a threat.

SHAKIR: They were never a threat. And you talked about—this his name is Kevin cosgrove and in article you write:

Nonetheless, Cosgriff’s demeanor angered Cheney, according to the former senior intelligence official. But a lesson was learned in the incident: The public had supported the idea of retaliation, and was even asking why the US didn’t do more. The former official said that, a few weeks later, a meeting took place in the Vice-President’s office. “The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,” he said.

What you’re writing there is that Cheney—there was a meeting in the White House where Cheney presided over looking to cook up the next war. A false war based on false intelligence.

HERSH: My oldest son is a lawyer and when I sent him this story before it was published—basically in a final form, just a day—and he he wrote back and he said “You really buried the lead in this one,” about casus belli. Um, how many press are here?

Anyway, there was a meeting. Among the items among the items considered and rejected—which is why The New Yorker did not publish it, on grounds that it wasn’t accepted—one of the items was why not . . . There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger war. The one that interested me the most was: Why don’t we build in our shipyard—build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats, put navy seals on them with a lot of arms and the next time what about those goes through the Straits of Hormuz start a shoot up. Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. But that’s the kind of that’s the level of stuff we were talking about: provocation.

But that was rejected so I could understand the argument of not writing something that was rejected. Maybe. I, basically—my attitude always towards editors is they’re mice training to be rats. But the point is jejune, if you know what that means. Silly, maybe, but potentially very lethal. Because one of the things they learned in the incident was the American public—if you get the right incident, the American public will support, you know, bang bang kiss kiss. You know, we’re into it.

SOURCE Dick Cheney’s false flag attack idea to start the war with Iran

MIKE POMPEO: But in terms of how you think about problem sets, I – when I was a cadet, what’s the first – what’s the cadet motto at West Point? You will not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those who do. I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole. (Laughter.) It’s – it was like – we had entire training courses. (Applause.)

SOURCE: Secretary Pompeo Participates in Q&A Discussion at Texas A&M University

POMPEO: Good afternoon. It is the assessment of the United States Government that the Islamic Republic of Iran is responsible for the attacks that occurred in the Gulf of Oman today. This assessment is based on intelligence, the weapons used, the level of expertise needed to execute the operation, recent similar Iranian attacks on shipping, and the fact that no proxy group operating in the area has the resources and proficiency to act with such a high degree of sophistication.

SOURCE: Secretary Pompeo Delivers Remarks to the Media

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  1. HomeRemedySupply says:

    Extremely timely video!
    (i.e. “Attacks” on two oil tankers in the Gulf last week and a further four last month.)

    Interestingly, Trump recently had an ABC interview.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-17/trump-i-think-i-know-who-was-behind-911-attacks
    EXCERPT
    President Trump says he knows who was behind the September 11, 2001 attacks, telling ABC News’s George Stephanopoulos “Iraq did not knock down the World Trade Center,” adding “It were other people. And I think I know who the other people were. And you might also.”

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      What country is Trump’s best buddy?

      What about Trump’s recent massive arms sales to Saudi Arabia?

      What is the agenda? The writing is on the wall.

      • phreedomphile says:

        What is the Agenda with the Iran issue? IMHO, Kabuki theater to run out the clock on the way to UN driven world govt Technocracy. Australian dissident and Israeli critic Brendon O’Connell has been exposing the behind the scenes cozy relationship between Trump’s ‘best buddy’and China and Russia as Israel absconds with US high tech and transfers it to supposed US nemeses. He also learned first hand Iran’s ruling class kowtows to Israel.

        Consider : Iran is implementing the UN Agendas lock, stock, and barrel rapidly turning Iran into a post carbon surveillance dystopia complete with UN 2030 Education curricula. Western educated Rouhani and billionaire Khamenei have been doing their own domestic version of Hegelian sorcery while a big privatization of public infrastructure fleecing rapidly unfolds on in the background. The Masons have been in Iraq a very long time and the symbolic architecture of public buildings screams the overt symbolism. In the aftermath of the Iran-Iraq war, IMF swooped into Iran to shape the nation’s economic and social trajectory. Iran’s banks are BIS captured. And we know from a Corbett report that as far back as 1963 Khomeini was in direct contact with the US govt expressing himself as a cooperative asset. Sibel Edmonds shared information strongly suggesting the capture of the US Embassy “hostage crisis” was a joint US-Iran false flag event.

        These particular Karl Popper black swan signals, along with other signs of a larger pattern, tell us we are being played again with the usual saber rattling at a vassal already deep in the maw of the NWO.

        • manbearpig says:

          Boy that sure makes sense! Great synthesis! Have to check out some of those details!

          Thanks for takin’ the time Phreedomphile!

          • phreedomphile says:

            Sure thing, you’re most welcome, manbearpig.

            BTW, apologies for not catching a couple of typos.
            The Masons have been visibly active in Iran for about a century.
            I meant Iran not Iraq but imagine it’s the same for every part of the world. Very long sticky old tentacles… if you get my drift.

            • manbearpig says:

              Waking up this morning I thought, well yea, if you look at the engineering behind the wars they all look like kabuki theater: but the bombs fly, the rabble die and the mustard gas gets tested for subsequent Nobel prizes… The world needs kabuki reasons for seemingly random and absurd mass slaughter…

              You think they’ll eugenistically kill off a certain number of “inferior” peasant class folks outside of Tehran in the name of their engineered Zionist/Mason war? While ostensibly opening up Iran, a celebration of their BIS slave status before international money goes SDR-crypto???

              Sorry, vague ideas as I scuttle off to spin the hamsterwheel for pellets…

              always happy to read your thoughts.

              • phreedomphile says:

                IMO, it’s unlikely there will be a culling in Iran outside of possibly a small token errant bomb here and there. The project is too close to completion in the middle east with mass surveillance everywhere in every nation. The GCC ready to lead the way for regionalism. Neom a harbinger of the end of nation states. The rest of the infrastructure will soon be captured by the global corporatocracy. They want it intact.

                Think of this situation being analogous to the absurd theater with North Korea that ended with a Disney-esque denouement.

                It wasn’t that difficult to discern the Assads have been cooperative globalist puppets for decades. There was plenty of evidence including their close ties to Pieczenik and Rami Makhlouf’s long standing deep financial ties to the pyramid cap elite. That’s why the Assads are still in charge but they had to sacrifice some of their serfs for Operation Cyclone 2.0. We never got that deep background, the full narrative – too hot to handle for the true independents and there are very few of those left. So it goes with Iran, the narrative is a clumsy facade. We are all expendable yet there is a systematic process at hand with an eye on preserving assets.

                BTW, loved your opening paragraph, eloquently hitting the nail on the head. Reminded me of Pink Floyd’s Us and Them.

              • manbearpig says:

                Just wanted to tell you that I was unaware of this curious Steve Pieczenik character – so thanks for mentioning him. Any links about his particular proximity to the Assads? Through Makhlouf maybe?

                Though I was somewhat aware of the Assad’s (Asma and Bashar’s) history and the history of Syria, looking more closely brought me into the curious world of Aga Khan III and ancestors and wives (because of Asma’s religion) which led me right back to Lyon, France and beauty contests and Begums…

                Always fascinating these fleeting forays into the who’s who of the supra-national elite…

  2. HomeRemedySupply says:

    Huffington Post via Yahoo – June 14 or 15, 2019
    Oil Tanker Owner Contradicts Trump Administration On Explosive In Mideast Ship Attack
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/oil-tanker-gulf-of-oman-iran-explosion-trump-administration-002916925.html

    EXCERPTS
    The company that owns one of the two oil tankers attacked Thursday near the Strait of Hormuz contradicted Trump administration and U.S. military reports linking the incident to an Iranian sea mine.

    U.S. Central Command said that the Norwegian-owned MT Front Altair and the Japanese Kokula Courageous were attacked Thursday by a limpet mine, which is attached to ships below the water line. The military released a video that officials claimed showed an Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps patrol boat removing an unexploded mine from the 560-foot Courageous.

    But an official of the company that owns the Courageous said Friday that the vessel appeared to be struck in the Gulf of Oman by something that “flew towards the ship,” NBC reported.

    “We received reports that something flew towards the ship,” Yutaka Katada, president of Kokaku Sangyo Co., said at a press conference, according to NBC. “The place where the projectile landed was significantly higher than the water level, so we are absolutely sure that this wasn’t a torpedo. I do not think there was a time bomb or an object attached to the side of the ship.”

    …Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe had traveled Wednesday to Iran in a bid to improve deteriorating relations between Washington and Tehran. He left Thursday as the oil tankers burned.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin met Friday with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani at the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in Kyrgyzstan and praised the relationship between the two nations….

  3. Ethan Hunter says:

    I think it is interesting Mr. Clawson’s comment that “we had to wait for Pearl Harbor”…as if the American Joe-Sixpack was itching to put on a soldier’s uniform and head to war. These psychopaths warmongering and bloodthirstiness seems to know no bounds.

  4. pearl says:

    I’m not so tuned into today’s music, so apart from last year’s truth music playlist, I don’t know of any anti-war songs, but the world sure would benefit from another wave. Along the lines of laughing at tyrants, I was curious about the story behind The Beatles song “Bungalow Bill”. Such a brilliant, cutting piece that, according to wikipedia, so humiliated and shamed the subject to never hunt again. Today’s warmongers have too thick a skin and I believe that only a series of fronts (video, music, writing) shaming with the brilliance of ridicule is the only thing that could make them blink.

    Here’s a good one from the 80s, same game, different players:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kX8lqXAONg

  5. scpat says:

    There still is anti-war music. If you are a fan of bluegrass type music listen to Sturgil Simpson – Call To Arms live on SNL in 2017. He is also a vet of the terror wars.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qsrsrOB0zNQ

    I done Syria, Afghanistan,Iraq and Iran
    North Korea, tell me where does it end
    Well the bodies keep piling up with everyday
    How many more of them they’re gonna send
    Well they sent their sons and daughters off to die
    for some war to control the heroin
    Well, son I hope you don’t grow up
    Believin’ that you’ve got to be a puppet to be a man

    Well they cut off your hair and put a badge on your arm
    Strip you off your identity
    Tell you to keep your mouth shut boy and get in the line
    Meet your maker overseas
    Wearin’ that Kim Jong-il hat while your grandma is selling pills stat
    Meanwhile I’m wearing ‘can’t pay my fucking bills’ hat

    Nobody is lookin’ up to care about a drone
    All too busy lookin’ down at our phone
    Our ego’s begging for a food like a dog from our feed
    Refresing obsessively until iur eyes start to bleed
    They serve up distractions and we eat them with fries
    Until the bombs fall out of our fucking skies

    Turn off the TV
    Turn off the news
    Nothin’ to see here
    They’re serving the blues

    Bullshit on my TV
    Bullshit on my radio
    The Hollywood telling me how to be me
    The bullshit’s got to go

  6. sTevo says:

    I wonder if smothering tankers in the Strait of Hormuz is giving Japan second thoughts on mothballing their nuclear program. Granted Fukushima is a world class screw up, they might use lessons learned to get back in the game.

  7. Stronghorse says:

    Interesting that “Pompey” uses the “weapons used” as part of his attempted justification, yet the people who were on the ships all say that they were hit by something that “flew towards them in the air’.
    I found it mildly amusing that the warmongers moved fast enough to get their grainy, 1980s technology, video put out showing what is alleged to be Iranians removing what is supposed to be a mine from a ship. A ship which they were careful not to show too much of it.
    Perhaps they should have waited until hearing what the witnesses were saying before producing their “evidence”.
    If they do start another war, (and sadly, I believe they may), it WILL crash the economies of numerous countries, and I believe the real plan is to crash the US Dollar, removing it as the reserve currency. It’s the next step in their “Long Game”.
    The “everything bubble” that the Federal Reserve, (among others), have been creating since the crash of 2008, is ripe, bloated in fact, and a financial hit like a war could easily burst it. If the US economy was indeed stable and “Booming” as the claim goes, the economy could survive another war. But since we know, or SHOULD KNOW, that the US economy is actually very weak, (inflation currently being at 10% and unemployment at nearly 30%), the result could mirror the 2008 crash, or most likely, be more like, or even worse than, the crash of 1929. Both of which were caused by the Federal Reserve and blamed on other factors.
    Central bankers never take the blame, they always set up alibis before they implement their plan. Funny how when the financial system you set up gets into trouble, it’s always someone else’s fault.
    Those who assign blame will then have one more thing to blame the pre-planned financial collapse on. The others being a Hard Brexit, and the Trump administration of course, along with all of the groups he has associated himself with. Nationalists, Conservatives, etc. In fact I believe that was why he was selected.
    I suspect that the SDRs will be trotted out as the new world reserve currency when the smoke clears, and eventually all finances will be digital. Much easier to control, and if you don’t comply, they can just shut off your card.

    • Ukdavec says:

      This article lays bare the lack of depth of mine sweeping capabilities of the US and why they would need assistance from allies

      https://harpers.org/archive/2019/06/the-pentagon-syndrome/

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      Stronghorse,

      The Dollar Domination

      At one time, I had the idea that the dollar may ‘soon’ collapse.
      Now, I don’t think so.

      I think that…
      …the U.S. will do anything to maintain its power and dominance.
      Part of that dominance comes from the dollar as the international currency.
      The U.S. will do what it can to suppress any threat to the dollar dominance.

      SHORTAGE OF DOLLARS
      Currently, I get the impression that there is a shortage of dollars for some foreign countries. China seems to have a shortage. Being short of dollars can make international trade tough.

      There is an interesting audio podcast about the dollar shortage here…
      https://www.corbettreport.com/clash-of-civilizations-2-0/#comment-62426

      • Stronghorse says:

        HomeRemedySupply,

        At one time I shared your opinion on the dollar. You are quite correct that each and every time the dollar is threatened, the U.S. government goes on the attack. For example; Saddam threatening to start trading oil in Euros, Qaddafi selling oil for gold, etc.
        There has been a need to keep the dollar afloat, and keep it as the reserve currency. That need however is not only to the U.S., but to the people who created it, and caused it to become the reserve currency, that being the international bankers and their Central Bank system.
        Looking back in history, the reserve currency changes whenever these same bankers have something ready to replace the old reserve currency with. The dollar has not always been the reserve currency, in fact it is simply another stepping stone on the path to a one world currency. They have made no secret of the fact.
        The banker’s old world order of the past century is a sacrificial lamb, like the booster stage of a rocket that falls away and burns up in the atmosphere once it is expended. The globalists destroy in order to create opportunities for gain. They created the current system as a means to an end. It is not their Utopian ideal; in fact, the current system was designed to fail. And, in that failure, the intended globalist “new order” is meant to be introduced.
        The timing is currently right for the switch over, the International Monetary Fund began spreading a meme a few years ago as a way to describe a global economic crash without actually saying the word “crash”. Managing Director Christine Lagarde, and others, started using the phrase “Global Economic Reset”. What is being described is simply another name for the new world order of course, but it was one of the first times we had seen a globalist actually hint that the change or “reset” would be built on the ashes of the old world system. It wouldn’t surprise me if they named it Phoenix .
        The IMF and World Bank have been “suggesting” that a new reserve currency might become necessary for several years now, and don’t discount the Chinese tying the Yuan to gold and oil, and it quickly being put in the SDR basket. China is the planned next powerhouse I believe, and their society is seen by the globalists as something better, a system that is easier to maintain control of the masses. We know China did not get to where they are by themselves, and the system currently in place there is for a reason. I agree with James that it is the model desired by the globalists.
        Oil has been tied to the dollar since the 1970s era moves by Kissinger and Nixon that solidified the deal with Saudi Arabia and effectively ended Bretton Woods, but now there is a way to move beyond that. Russia and China are already using other currencies for trade, and they are not alone. Much of the world is screaming for a new reserve currency and an end to dollar hegemony.
        Don’t forget that there is a globalist controlled central bank in almost every nation in the world, including supposedly anti-globalist countries in the East, like Russia and China. All of these central banks are coordinated through the Bank For International Settlements, (BIS), in Basel, Switzerland. Iran, North Korea and Venezuela are among the few holdouts, hence the aggression we have witnessed toward all of those same countries recently.
        Every economic and trade policy Trump has initiated in the past two years has served as a smokescreen for the globalists controlled demolition of the economy. The economy is ripe for the “Reset”, and a war with Iran could very well be the final straw that takes it down, therefore the demand for a new reserve will quickly follow.
        I’m no economist, but there are just too many events happening in sequence for something major not to be afoot. I’m not a believer in coincident.
        The globalists covertly dictate the economic policy of nearly the entire planet. They can easily create an economic collapse anytime they wish.
        Is that their current wish? Only time will tell.

      • Ukdavec says:

        Dollar shortage is a play book used in the past by the US – the question here is whether the opponents have made preparations to counter such a move. This is a long read but paints a plausible scenario to consider

        https://deep-throat-ipo.blogspot.com/2019/02/dalios-big-debt-crisisthe-fsb-report.html

  8. exo says:

    What percentage of the US population is open to the idea that US wars are mostly “cooked up?” I hear that and find some evidence for it, but then again I don’t. Take my family for instance, all highly educated liberals that read Halberstam & claim hearts that still bleed for Obama & Clinton as great men. They don’t believe that the republican and democrat leaders, who they still see as fundamentally different, are leading us to the exact same future: (fill in the blank with your best iteration of a NWO). They still think conspiracies can’t exist. By my count, every war since 2001 was “cooked up” & or signed off on in a backroom somewhere by Neocons (modern day non-conservative “conservatives”) or globalists (modern day democrats), and Halberstam explained in plain english quite a cooked up few wars & CIA coups predating 2001. So , ARE we waking up as Americans?

    • Stronghorse says:

      exo,
      Yes, more and more Americans are waking up daily. Not enough, but from my own experiences, many more are, and at a much faster rate then even five years ago. Twenty years ago, most of my friends and family proclaimed my insanity at the mere mention of government conspiracies. Within the past ten years, nearly all of them have sought me out to apologize.
      The amount of fake news and the censorship have been a big factor in waking up a lot of people who were prior skeptics, and has caused them to be more open minded.
      My belief is that every war the UNITED STATES has been involved in since the American Revolution has involved the public being lied to in order to enrage them or in some way gain their support for said war.
      As for the two sides of the same bird of prey; There is a common misconception among newer activists in the liberty movement, that the idea of the “false left vs. right paradigm” means that there is no political spectrum; that the entire notion of left vs right is a fabrication. This is not exactly the case though. When I refer to false paradigms in regards to politics, (or geopolitics), what I’m actually referring to is the elitist class, otherwise known as globalists, and the fact that they have no left or right political orientation. They do not care about Democrats or Republicans, they have no loyalty to either party. Their loyalty is to their own agenda, and they will exploit BOTH sides to get what they want whenever possible.
      As I have said, bankers run the show, and war is the most profitable venture ever devised by mankind, therefore the bankers desire constant warfare because they fund both sides of every conflict. They care not who wins, in fact it is better for them if nobody wins and the conflict continues unabated.
      Even the Lame Stream Media have started using the term “False Flag”, and many people started to wonder what a false flag is, and upon their trying to find out, they started putting two and two together, which led to more eye opening. The population of America is still too comfortable though, and cognitive dissonance is still rampant. I don’t know how uncomfortable, or how much of their liberties they will have to loose to awaken the majority, but we are not there yet.

      • exo says:

        Thanks for the response Stronghorse. I’ve been reading your posts & you’re prolific. This is my first comment on a Corbett thread & that man gives me faith. … ok… upping the ante on my last q: My .org that has a mission to get 9/11 truth going grassroots worldwide. What potential do you think there is for us to succeed in achieving a new, REAL indy investigation? (Familiar with the special grand jury, that’s actually who my group is based out of) Specifically, you mentioned more loss of rights as a gross measure of what it might take to accomplish some sort of critical mass/sea change. I agree, but at what point is it too late? If that point is “boiling,” will the frog have jumped out of the pot by then? I believe core knowledge of 9/11 truth is an “achilles heel” because the implications challenge all fundamental credibility of the US/World Order. With critical mass of the US pop existing firmly in that reality, I see revolutionary change, the fall of it all. Can we do it?

        • Stronghorse says:

          Exo,

          I agree that 9/11 was the excuse used to implement the curtailing of our rights as well as for the War OF Terror. I further believe that informing and waking the masses is imperative. It is not however, an easy task. I’ve been trying since September 11, 2001.
          What we need is our own media. Not something that is likely with the criminals pretending to be a government in control of all “Licensing” of the airwaves.
          I am also involved with, and a supporter of, the Lawyers’ Committee for 9-11 inquiry. Progress is slow, but I remain hopeful that their own edicts, (I will not call something a law that clearly isn’t), can be used against them. If the process goes the way it is supposed to, I believe we will eventually get a new investigation. A real one. However, my fear is that they will continue with their stall tactics until it is too late.
          The entire premise of the ‘Boiling Frog in the Pot’ is to turn the heat up slowly so the frog doesn’t notice until it is too late. Sadly, the ones with their hands on the control valve have a lot of experience at the process, and it works more times than not. I have found that it is necessary for those of us that realize what is going on, to wake the frogs up. Otherwise they don’t seem to notice that they are being slow boiled. It is slow going however, and James has made as much good progress at it as anyone, and in my opinion, a lot more than most.
          In fact, some of the best success stories I have concerning waking people up, has been by showing them Jame’s work. That’s why I buy his DVDs. I can put a DVD into any player and share it with people who might not have, (or want), internet access.
          Yes, there is a lot of talk about a Civil War 2.0. To my mind however, there is nothing “Civil” about war. Nor do I see the need. What I do see the need for , is an American Revolution 2.0. But that does not require violence at this point. We are already engaged in what is known as “Low Intensity Conflict”, and tensions are rising. I expect more politically motivated the closer we get to election time. It matters not if the election process is real or not, not enough people are away of the fact that it doesn’t matter who votes, it only matters who counts the votes. There has not been a legal election in the UNITED STATES for over a century. Every presidential election since FRD ran the second time has violated the 12th Amendment, too few even care enough to learn that fact though.
          Why should they, hell it has nothing what-so-ever to do with what’s on TV tonight, or which team of millionaires is playing which other team of millionaires, in a stadium built with money extorted from them, and then they must pay again to enter the structure they paid for. Sot of like paying to enter your own house. That is if we were allowed to own our houses in the UNITED STATES.
          While I admit that it may come to a shooting war eventually, I would prefer to see resistance in other forms. Things like starving the beast. That is why I try to educate people about the fact that the 16th Amendment was never legally ratified. If anyone doubts that, look up a book entitled “The Law That Never Was” by a man named Bill Benson. There is no law, (notice I said “LAW”, not an IRS rule), requiring the average american to file or pay income tax. There are even multiple cash rewards offered to anyone who can find such a law. The largest one I know of that is legitimate is $300,000.00. Again, being able to inform the masses in large numbers is the problem.
          I sometimes hear of people planning large marches on the District of Criminals, but they never seem to gain the needed response and the organization for them never materializes. That is a shame of course, but not something I have a solution for. Far too much of the population is hopelessly addicted to the wealth of entertainment offered. They fail to realize that it is simply more of the same “Bread & Circuses” that has been used against the people’s interests since the days of the Roman Empire. I wonder some times if the last question some poor soul will ask the jailer at the FEMA camp as he closes their cell door, will be: “Can you tell me who won the game?”.
          I concentrate on educating as many as I can, but I’m just one old man with limited resources. I’ve reached many, but not enough. I will not stop however, I doubt I could even if I desired to, and I don’t desire to.
          Best of luck to you in your endeavors Sir Exo. I of course will continue my own efforts and perhaps some day enough will awaken and realize what is happening to us all, and decide to jump out of the pot.

          • exo says:

            Thanks again for the response! “We need our own media”: That is certainly what The 9/11 Truth Action Project is about; it’s one of our objectives. I’d love to enlist support/endorsement/anything from Corbett, but I pause as we’re getting our sea-legs right now.
            “planning large marches”: Obstacles I see: 1) “learned helplessness”: for so many advocates of a new investigation, isolation and what I call “perception of impossibility” is hard to refashion into belief/activism vs. more endless research. “How in the world can I make a difference? I’m just one person.” -To this I say: Check the laws/constitution that still exist; they’re still set up to even the playing field between the tyranny of the majority and the minority of “truthers.” Accepting impossibility is shirking responsibility and perhaps the most un-American thing you can do. Go visit Edmund Pettis bridge! If you’re a fan of MLK, then you should know that he would act for 9/11 truth today. There are millions of us! “Kick the office chair!” 2) Organizing the truth movement is seen as “herding cats” or even “herding feral cats.” I guess since the truth movement has been typified as individual research in a setting where one is isolated and doesn’t have to work well with others, many truthers are set in their ways. There are squabbles, division and thus obstacles to mass organization in the biggest 9/11 groups in america. We need to drop our differences at the door, period. If not, then why spend so much time on something just to argue and not accomplish anything? Again, democracy functions when people work with people they can’t stand in any way but for the mission itself. On another issue of working together, we fight over which theory to believe. We demonize and call “schill” on anyone with a different opinion! This topic is a bit tougher though, as there are theories out there that don’t hold water and would hurt our ability to spread the message. How do we incorporate the people power of incompatible views? That problem is a bitch! But I think the majority of people are more in line with AE and LCfor911inquiry. I think the more we organize the core, those on the outskirts of truth will come in contact with better arguments. If we get so much as 100,000 to march on the Capitol, those with any theory will want to join, and at that moment, we’d be happy they came.
            “16th/FED”: 9/11 TAP sees that using/education of other issues builds the bridge across cognitive dissonance towards a context that can stomach pure hard science of 9/11 truth.
            I myself focus on sharpening things “NYC/WTC,” and I’m forming what I call “The 9/11 Experiment.” Basically I’m building a logical/hypothetical environment that would completely bypass cognitive diss. The “subject” of the test would sign a written statement pledging to use reason and without exception, NOT one’s beliefs. The hypothetical staging in the experiment would be the entirety of basis for answers to a few specific questions. The whole experiment is based on A) the notion that there is absolutely enough fact to warrant a new investigation, and that this fact is demonstrable, otherwise we wouldn’t have a movement 20 years later. B) If the subject is asked to answer a question based on purely the contents of the question itself, I can get them to answer positively for a new investigation.
            Control question: “If 2 = 3, then what is the answer to 2+ 2?” There is no other answer than, “6.”
            Test Question: “If there is absolute proof that 1, 2 & 7 WTC were brought down with controlled demolition, and the buildings weren’t rigged by any terrorist organization, would it be 100% important to America to find out who did it?”
            … The subject is forced to answer yes. From there, I build the most succinct presentation of only the evidence needed to 100% prove that we need a new investigation. That part may be only enough to completely compel, without coverting the test taker, but that’s fine. There’s more, but you get the gist. Whadd’ya think?

  9. exo says:

    What percentage of Americans are at least open to the idea that most US wars are “cooked up” conspiracies? I keep hearing people claim that more and more Americans are “waking up?” I gather petitions for a new independent investigation of 9/11 and find some credence to this claim in the public, while on the other hand I don’t in a major way. Take my family for instance: all highly educated liberals that read Halberstam at some point in their lives and still claim hearts that bleed for Obama and Clinton. They see the leaders of Democrats (globalists) and Republicans (Neocons (globalists) posing as conservatives) as fundamentally different, instead of ultimately leading us to the exact same place: (Fill in the blank with your best iteration of the coming new world order). They do not believe in conspiracies, nor that they can exist, even when Halberstam explained many. They read The Times, watch Morning Joe and listen to NPR which sometimes reveal parts of conspiracies, only to coax them back into a false sense of trust. Is America in any substantial way, “waking up?”

    • Duck says:

      “…They do not believe in conspiracies, nor that they can exist, even when Halberstam explained many…”
      People believe, it just hurts and frightens them to think that a bunch of people really can be that evil, and WORSE knowing would mean they would have to do or say something which will cost them some small comfort or status.
      Its easy to be blind when it pays you to be blind.
      As Jon Ronson points out in the ‘psychopath test’ the psychopaths in corporations are just doing what they do because the share holders let them in return for the dividends.

      • exo says:

        Thanks Duck. I agree, it does hurt & frighten. Even mildly acknowledging the possibility of the evidence threatens economic & social status. Stronghorse makes a good point as well: “The population of America is still too comfortable though, and cognitive dissonance is still rampant. I don’t know how uncomfortable, or how much of their liberties they will have to loose to awaken the majority, but we are not there yet.” I think the best understanding of 9/11 truth reluctance is complex, multifaceted and unique to the individual. Reactions range from instinctual disapproval that sidesteps contemplation & scary emotions to real emotionally charged denial. To get the message across to the general public may take a different strategy for different people. Some may react well to the science backed by experts. Some respond well to motive, whether money or geo-strategic pattern. Some respond to reason, some not. Without understanding what I believe are obvious implications to 9/11 truth (if so, then not al Qaeda & thus forces on the inside), many say, “What does it matter? It’s 20 years later.” Yet I think it’s reasonable to assume that if every major lame-stream media came out one day and fully advocated 9/11 truth that most people would come to the table, reality nightmare or not. I seek communication methods towards opening the door/expanding the doorway. Talk, video, ads, art, demonstrations, direct, indirect etc.

  10. NES says:

    Great compliation of the focal point, James. I will share widely.

    Clawson: “I’m NOT advocating that.” WTF, then, why is your mouth moving, asshole?

    Shakir: “…might cost some lives, but…” Really, who cares about killing people if you can start a war with Iran and no one can finger you afterward? What a DICK among DICKS. His “Bang-bang, kiss-kiss.” comment makes Normies a stat the neocons can always depend upon exploiting through naivete, ignorance or stupidity. Normies will pull the trigger, as long as the Narrative gives them permission. Talk about slaves and with what ease he states the objectives.

    • exo says:

      Truly erie and yet the deeper you go into the world of the think tanks, CFRs, military industrial complex, intelligence, government etc., whether blatantly offensive or subtly housed in acceptable terms & logic, it seems this kind of talk is not just commonplace, but the essence of related discussion.

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