Interview 1488 – Debunking Logical Fallacies with Keith Knight

10/28/201942 Comments

Keith Knight of Don’t Tread on Anyone has James Corbett on to discuss logical fallacies. They each break down five common logical fallacies, how they’re employed, and how to identify and disarm them.

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Keith Knight Don’t Tread on Anyone – Website / YouTube / Bitchute

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  1. Octium says:

    I don’t know if it has an official name, but I call it the firing squad fallacy.

    Since nobody knows who in the firing squad fired the fatal bullet, it tends to diminish the responsibility of each individual in the firing squad.

    It applies in situations like Carcinogens. “You shouldn’t worry about the danger of glyphosate, the cancer he got could have been caused by something else”

  2. HomeRemedySupply says:

    Corbett Member zyxzevn started a thread Sunday about “Interview 1488 – Debunking Logical Fallacies with Keith Knight”.
    https://www.corbettreport.com/how-to-worship-your-government/#comment-67659

  3. mik says:

    I think some fallacies are wrongly named logical fallacies, like for example Argument from intimidation. It works by abusing emotions, there is no logic(mathematics) here. Don’t know, probably it would be better to name them Rhetorical Fallacies, at least some of them.

    Sure, it’s very hard particularly in conversation, not to commit any fallacy.

    Let’s see one from the video.

    “…what makes socialism unique is institutionalized aggression against private property and individual…”

    Logical fallacies:

    -Unique?, no any system with a state is the same, we can just talk about magnitude (maybe this is just factual fallacy and also Keith maybe just said it in a rush)

    -Oversimplification, it is impossible to boil down so complex idea to seven words without any omission

    -Unattainable perfection, no doubt lots of mistakes, errors etc. can be attributed to socialism, but to say it’s crap, without any value whatsoever…well that would mean lots of people are stupid.

    I know I’ve committed logical fallacy in previous paragraph(lots of people), but I’m not in the mood for rigorous debate on this topic nor I have any need to defend socialism. Certainly, I have a need to be vocal when I’m confronted with bullshiting about socialism.

    And my theorem for the end:

    People’s need to denigrate socialism is in the exact inverse proportion with their knowledge about socialism.

    • weilunion says:

      There is no such think as a logical fallacy. We learn about fallacies in a Logic class, if we learn about them at all.

    • weilunion says:

      A fallacy is a mistake in reasoning. It can be intentional, or usually, unconscious.

      Given this, all fallacies are wrong for all fallacies are mistakes in reasoning.

      As to your point regarding socialism, I couldn’t agree more.

      This is an essential post by Corbett.

    • wylie1 says:

      Of course you don’t want to defend Socialism.
      What valuable things can be attributed to it that are not overridden by the evil consequences?

      What is Capitalism?
      Despite all the propaganda spread by the indoctrinators…
      Capitalism is what would happen naturally without government:
      People freely trading with others to their mutual benefit.

      Corporatism is not capitalism, it is fascism according to Mussolini who supposedly coined the term fascism.

      A Corpro-Govt-media alignment begets evil whether it is mistakenly called Capitalism or is forced under Communism or the people are fooled into voting for it when they call it Socialism.

      Sweden nor other similarish countries are Not true socialism but welfare states supported by capitalism, not so different than the usa, in that regard. It is amusing at best when the indoctrinated socialists refer to Sweden as an example of wonderful Socialism, knowing nothing of when they had to cut services to prevent bankruptcy and rightfully cut taxes significantly; figuring the people would spend on what they really needed, rather than running to govt for every thing.

      • mik says:

        Man, I genuinely hoped no one will be interested in debating.
        Why?

        This debates are almost every time fruitless.
        It’s hard to explain to a normie that life without state and government is not just possible, but it would be much much better (we have a reason to believe). It’s like to explain to fish life out of water is just fine.
        Gargantuan leap is necessary to grasp the essence. Debate is not suitable mind activity for achieving such a breakthrough. I think studying, not just one side but also opposing side, studying many many areas of human endeavor, contemplation etc. is the right way.

        Good start, excellent, we agree on Sweden.
        Lets stay in the world of ideas.

        “What valuable things can be attributed to it that are not overridden by the evil consequences?”

        To rephrase, some things might be found valuable in the World of Ideas, but consequences that can only be in the Real World are evil.
        This is mixing of two worlds and this is fallacious reasoning.

        “Capitalism is what would happen naturally without government”

        We don’t have a crystal ball. Certainly, there is nothing natural about capitalism, you can’t find anything similar in nature, it’s social construct.

        Your definition of capitalism obscure some very important facts. If you start from this point things became even shadier with introduction of terms like corporatism, neo-liberal capitalism, crony capitalism….

        This one is more appropriate:
        Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.

        Adam Smith noticed that everything is not rosy with “people freely trading with others to their mutual benefit”.

        https://www.corbettreport.com/everything-gold-is-new-again-what-qe4-means-for-you/#comment-67686

        Marx foresee that capitalism will develop towards (and end with) monopolism. Look around, that’s what we have now. Property in itself has a characteristic to attract (like gravitation) other property.

        Check also Proudhon: What is Property? and you will find property is not just what you think it is.

        To summarize, what is good with socialism (as an Idea!!!) is questioning and dissecting private property, the elephant in the room the opposing side don’t see or pretends to not see.

        Elephant in the room, fish and water….
        on the other hand
        we have two firmly established sides with abyss in between them, what a perfect situation for the powers that shouldn’t be. They would be eager to design it.

        My private property has very little similarities with Bill Gates’. My gives me the power to Live, his gives him the power to Conquer. Private property is not a concept that scales well.

        I’m not for abolition of private property, but for a thoroughly revision. This is not a middle ground fallacy.

  4. weilunion says:

    The Proficient Manipulators

    There are a small group of people who are skilled in the art of manipulation and control and they use this skill to threaten the survival of the planet and its occupants. These are the Machiavellians, their name taken from the philosopher Nicolo Machiavelli who understood what the ruling elite needed to maintain domination over the mind and thus the material control of the world (https://www.marxists.org/…/mattick-…/1943/machiavellians.htm).

    These people are shrewdly focused on pursuing their own self-interests without respect to how that pursuit affects others. In fact, others are only prey for their minds and self-interested agendas.

    Though they share many of the characteristics of uncritical thinkers, they have extraordinary qualities that separate them from uncritical persons.

    To begin with, they have a greater command of the rhetoric of persuasion and the art of deception and propaganda. They are more sophisticated, more verbal, and generally have greater status, prestige and control.

    https://www.facebook.com/PhilosophersforChange/photos/the-social-and-psychological-roots-of-machiavellian-thinking-and-sophistic-thoug/868131393221091/

  5. weilunion says:

    The Proficient Manipulators part two

    Proficient manipulators are rarely insightful dissenters, rebels or critics of society. Instead, they work to maintain hierarchies of thought, wealth and dominance through subjective subterfuge and the engineering of material reality for their own egocentricities. They are both sadistic and masochistic and the reason is simple: they cannot effectively manipulate members of a mass audience if they appear to that mass to be invalidating their world views, their systems of thoughts and their calcified beliefs. So they will play on crisis and misfortune while submitting to domination and servitude.

    Proficient manipulators do not use their intelligence for the public good; rather, they use their intelligence to get what they want in alliance with those who they think share their vested interests, their material ambitions and their communal beliefs. Manipulation, domination, demagoguery, and control are the tools of the Sophists or Machiavellians.

    Persons proficient in the osteopathy of the mind seek to influence the beliefs and behavior of others without any regard for morals, without values and in total contempt for independent thinking. They are true nihilists and unfortunately, they have insight into what makes many people vulnerable to mental forgery.

    As a result, they strive to appear before others in a way that associates themselves with power, authority, and conventional morality – all such actions which Machiavelli advocated. This impetus is evident, for example, when politicians appear before mass audiences with well-polished but intellectually empty speeches; a homogenized rhetoric of vacuous ambiguity with a clear intent towards duplicity.

    “Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.” — Voltaire

    There are a number of alternative labels for the roles that ‘proficient manipulators’ play, including: the spin master, the con-artist, the sophist, the noble deceivers and the liars, the propagandists, the indoctrinators, the demagogues, eventually collapsing into, the ‘politician’. Their goal is to always control what others think and they do so by controlling the way information is presented to people.

    https://www.facebook.com/PhilosophersforChange/photos/the-social-and-psychological-roots-of-machiavellian-thinking-and-sophistic-thoug/868131393221091/

  6. weilunion says:

    Proficient manipulators part three

    The overwhelming preponderance of people haven’t freely decided what to believe or think, but rather have been socially conditioned (indoctrinated) into their belief systems by a culture devoid of reasoning, where ideas and thought are commodified and thinking itself is subversive. They are un-reflective thinkers; their minds are products of social and personal forces they neither understand nor control, nor concern themselves with. Their personal beliefs are often based on prejudices they have no idea they harbor, beliefs of which they have no idea of their origins. Their thinking is largely comprised of conscious or unconscious fallacies, stereotypes, caricatures, over-simplifications, over-generalizations, necessary illusions, delusions, rationalizations, false dilemmas, and begged questions.

    Their motivations are often traceable to irrational fear, discontent with their material and psychological conditions and attachments, personal vanity and envy, intellectual arrogance, indoctrination and feeble-mindedness. These mental constructs then become debauched mental habits, part of their identity and they circle the wagons around this uncritical individuality, protecting it at any cost. Their arrogance has cost them their humility and they are unable to purchase or learn or profit from any other points of view.

    See above site for more

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      Thank you Danny for this piece!

      Which is a greater fallacy .
      Begging your pardon or begging the question?
      This describes young people today.

      • weilunion says:

        The problem is not generational, it is a human problem called irrationality and adults suffer from the same condition

        • generalbottlewasher says:

          In the most reverence of MBP I must say;
          Irrational? You may explain. If I , have only Generals, generational or generalizations, on my staff, how can I measure reality accurately? By the way I must recommend as a rational adult that the Corbett readers of comments, read and review the comments at ” Words as Weapons “. It will go a long way towards understanding in spite of limitations and manipulations of language.
          You provided some very good reading and learning concerning language and every comment was quite inspirational. I wish, which is a want, to reprint it here along with several other comments, but I haven’t the skills. I missed a lot of James Corbett in June and July. Re-reading now and was just blown away by the information shared by everyone. Communication was happening on many levels which made understanding easy, relaxed, organic. Language can be used to kick ass or kiss ass in humility and kindness. I prefer the later than the earlier for civility and decorum, learning and growth but not submission…. In a learning experience lately I have been bothered by the lyrics in the Broadway production of Hamilton. Some advice Burr is giving to Hamilton.
          ” Talk less !
          Smile more.
          Never let them know what you are against or what you are
          { fighting } for”. My enfiscese in brackets.
          Machiavelli would be proud of such advice. Not open, not authentic but useful, practical and advantageous. Cunning.
          Let us see if I can direct anyone voluntarily to read the comments at Words as Weapons. Hope and sharing .

          • generalbottlewasher says:

            Here it is Language is a Weapon.

            https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-357-language-is-a-weapon/

            This could be the best of The Corbett Report.

            • generalbottlewasher says:

              Besides the editor in chief, the contributions by the listeners make this one of the best for understanding language and comunication. It all was kicked off by John Loathe, followed by;
              Weilunion
              Duck
              Pearl
              SethW.h
              Brian.S
              Hugh C
              Scpat
              Alexandre
              ManBearPig
              Coolly
              Nes
              HomeRemedySupply
              UkdaveC
              Sherry.a
              Camille
              Libertydan
              FawltyTowers
              HotFoot
              Mkey
              Colin786
              M
              Thank you all for contributing to my learning.
              I encourage all to read or reread the comments. Something was going on here that is rare, and beautiful.

          • weilunion says:

            Yes,words. Good points.

            With words, or what can be called ‘language’ we often use language believing everyone has the same definition of the words as we do. This of course is not true and is why Socratic questioning is so important.

            Asking questions such as:

            When you say ‘climate change’ what do you mean by that?
            Can you give me an example of what you mean?
            Can you give me a metaphor perhaps?
            An analogy?

            And more.

            Words are used as weapons and the episode you point to is a very good report.

            To avoid the weaponization of words we must question more.

            And this means questioning ourselves or what is called metacognition in critical thinking.

            So, when I use the word ‘irrational’ I mean devoid of reason.

            Ex:

            It is irrational to believe that the corporate media does not use words to weaponize thinking.

            What I mean is that it is unreasonable, devoid of reason, to believe that we are not propagandized by language.

            To be rational, reasonable, would connote one would look critically at how language is being used, by whom. One would and must question to see the underlying assumptions behind words or language.

            Within our language are the assumptions we hold and are often unaware of.

            Asking for clear definitions or language used teases out assumptions and then allows us to examine those assumptions to see if they are valid or invalid. And this means looking for evidence if there is any, that either refute or re-enforce the language used.

            When critical thinking is used, it is a defense against being the victim of language useage and thus propaganda.

            As to generalizations they are fine. It is the use of overgeneralizations that is the problem.

            So, when one generalizes, by,let’s say putting forth that ‘most people are not critical thinkers’ this is a generalization. But if we say ‘all’ people are not critical thinkers then this is overgeneralization.

            How to see if generalizations are true or false? Again, critically examining the generalizations for evidence is the key.

  7. Not This Little Frog says:

    Hey James,
    What would your first 5 questions to Jesus be?
    I’ll open it up to others as well…

    • Arby says:

      I’d ask him “Did you use God’s name in day to day discourse?” (God’s self-given name, in the Christian Bible, is Jehovah, however it was pronounced. It means “He Causes To Become.” And it is also called the tetragrammaton. / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton) And I’d ask him about his mysterious statement about things he couldn’t tell his disciples because they would not be able to bear the knowledge (John 16:2). I’d ask him whether the apostle Paul was a faker (because Paul essentially states that the wild beast – human-made political entities, aka States – was approved by Jehovah. I’d ask Jesus whether we humans have insubstantial souls or whether, as Jehovah’s Witnesses teach (and I disagree with), the soul is the whole, physical person. And, a related question; I’d ask whether we are resurrected or duplicated because if we don’t possess insubstantial (which doesn’t mean immortal) souls, then we can’t be resurrected when we ‘die’. We can be duplicated by God who has the power to remember us fully. But duplication isn’t resurrection.

      I’d also ask him whether there were any infant Nephilim destroyed in the flood, and, if there were, would they be resurrected in the general resurrection (since, as infants, they’d be innocent). Nephilim, for those who don’t know, were angel/human hybrids and when they became adults, they had natural abilities and power that enabled them to dominate the communities they existed in and they proved to be, like the “mighty” (lawless, violent) ones who dominate human communities/nations today, trouble-makers. My belief is that if you possess ‘reason’, then you have a soul (created by God) and you possess free moral agency and can choose to be loyal to the Creator, who is the source of life or you can set yourself against God.

  8. zyxzevn says:

    I could not find any fallacies that are related to evidence..
    Not even on wikipedia.
    why not?
    Here I found have 5 already.

    Evidence based fallacies.

    1. Lack of evidence.
    People are claimed to be guilty of crimes without any real evidence.
    Example1: Bin Laden.
    Example2: Oswald.
    Example3: Russiagate. Say Putin one more time.

    2. Hiding of evidence.
    Many of the crimes committed by the military or CIA are hidden behind secrecy. Also evidence is often destroyed.
    Pseudo-skeptics use this to claim their is no evidence, while the destruction or even withholding of evidence is already a crime.
    Example1: Cocaine transports.
    Example2: Epstein.

    3. Manipulation of evidence.
    Example1: Climate gate.

    4. Impossibilities.
    Things that are impossible, or should be impossible.
    Example1: Free fall acceleration with fire collapse.
    Example2: Magic bullet.
    Example3: Undamaged Passports.
    Example4: Russia hacked the election-machines.

    5. Unknowns.
    I could even split up in: “known unknowns and unknown unknowns.” but my general idea is that we do not know every detail. Nor are we able to research everything. We do not know the future.
    Yet the fact that something is unknown is used as evidence both for and against a certain idea.
    Example1: Pizzagate / Satanic rituals,
    Example2: UFOs.

    There are probably more.

    • weilunion says:

      What you found are not fallacies, they are claims that are either supported by evidence or not.

      For example: 3. Manipulation of evidence.
      Example1: Climate gate.

      This is not a fallacy. One claims that climate change, for example is human caused. Another claims it is not. ANY claim must be supported by evidence or, in the alternative, it is an assumption.

      What the human mind does not usually do is recognize its assumptions and then distinguish them from fact. And this mans that often people make claims that have no evidence but which they have calcified into fact.

      It is important that one have a clear conception of what a fallacy is. Again, a fallacy is a mistake in reasoning, either conscious and intentional or unconscious and unintentional.

      Assumptions are not fallacies.

      • zyxzevn says:

        I still think it is a fallacy, not to put evidence on first place.
        Without evidence or agreed facts everything is just talk.

        But that is probably because I am more scientific oriented than the
        philosophers that listed these fallacies.

        What fallacies are in:
        “Are you sure the patient was dead?”
        “Well his brains were removed for more research”
        “But is there any chance that the patient was still alive?”
        “Maybe if he was a lawyer.”

        • weilunion says:

          These are not fallacies.

          Are you sure the patient was dead is a question that yes, requires evidence to answer.

          None of these are fallacies save the last.

          “Well his brains were removed for more research”
          “But is there any chance that the patient was still alive?”
          “Maybe if he was a lawyer.”

          The last one is an ad hominem fallacy.

          You see, fallacies are an attempt to avoid reasoning or thinking critically.

          We have to make assumptions which in your field are called hypothesis or we cannot live. The issue is do we have methods, as scientists do, to examine our assumptions and those of others?

        • HomeRemedySupply says:

          zyxzevn says:
          “Well his brains were removed”
          “But is there any chance that the patient was still alive?”
          “Maybe if he was a lawyer.”

          That’s funny.

  9. Astrodonicus says:

    Excellent video! Thanks, James, I like Keith….he has really come into himself and I’m happy for him. Great conversation, though, and fun to sit in on the sidelines. Thanks! Hope you have more conversations soon.

  10. BbobKS says:

    David Knight would be proud of most off what you know and I wonder if you could fill in for him on the [EDIT: no email addresses in the comments please – JC] ?
    Beyond that the great fallacy that I missed is the Big Lie ! How is this not a concept not addressed ? oh well back to the wine !

  11. hanky says:

    Thank you for doing this. I will forward the link.
    3 big ones that I expected, but didn’t get favored treatment here, are
    the false dilemma,aka either/or fallacy,
    the straw man,
    and circular logic. These are the basics, that I run into all of the time.

    PS RE: The fallacy fallacy. I also mention this first, if I am explaining this subject to someone. I simply point out that logical fallacies do not actually prove, or disprove, anything. So, when they are used to try to prove something, they have no logical standing. But catching that does not necessarily disprove it either.

    PPS On the other hand, our youth, and others, are currently in such an extremely irrational and muddled state, I just wonder if we can bring proper respect to logic, itself.

    • weilunion says:

      “are used to try to prove something, they have no logical standing.”

      That is why there is no such thing as a logical fallacy. Fallacies are irrational and not based on any evidence.

      Logic is really not the issue, the issue is critical thinking which is based on reasoning. It is reasoning that has been decimated.

      I can claim:

      The earth revolves around the moon.
      This is why we have high tides.
      Therefore, changing how the earth revolves around the moon is necessary to control tides.

      This is completely logical. However, it is irrational.

      Why? The premises are false thus the conclusion must be false.

      Distinguishing logic from rationality or irrationality is the key and thus one can be logical and irrational.

      Distinguishing what we know from what we want or are told to believe requires identifying assumptions and then examining them.

      But the mind would rather believe than know. Why? It is easier. Thinking is hard work, that is why people outsource it and do not want to do it.

      Developing a questioning mind means that one is more focused on questioning answers than answering questions.

      Youth today are not taught how to think but what to think. And the whole culture of fallacious thinking supports this irrationality.

      Welcome to the Digital Dark Ages

  12. s.jamieson says:

    Have the Keith Knight on again – or is it James who is “on” Keith’s program? – his youthful enthusiasm alone revives old geezers such as I.

  13. Arby says:

    Moving the goalposts? Trump’s (private) phone with Zelensky provides evidence that he should be impeached (not actual crimes he committed and is committing) has become… other stuff.

  14. Arby says:

    Climate crisis? Throwing wrenches (too free capitalists engaged in extractivism etc) into complex operating machinery (the global network of ecosystems and our atmosphere), I predict, will have a bad outcome (if not corrected). I have said that before and will say it again. 2+2=4

  15. Arby says:

    The simple truth fallacy is interesting. Maybe it should be amended: ‘the simple truth, with limited knowledge, fallacy’

    To my mind, If you know how rotten the American system is, and you understand that politicians, usually, are gangsters, then the ‘simple’ (before you have information to the contrary) explanation for JFK’s assassination is that he angered a lot of powerful people who had no scruples about killing him. If you are naive and uninformed, then the simplest answer to the question, “Who killed JFK?,” is, indeed, that lone gunman.

    related: “Uncle Sam was Born Lethal” by Paul Street / https://www.paulstreet.org/uncle-sam-was-born-lethal/

    Camelot: An enduring ad selling the American system and the American Empire, with the myth of white knight JFK fighting the forces of darkness at it’s core.

  16. Arby says:

    Faker Tom Secker found me on my blog after I outed him on Mint Press and attempted to put me in my place, hanging everything on my one mistake (the imperfection fallacy which I did ‘not’ defend) of suggesting that Syria was on Russia’s border. The wind went out of his sails when I pointed out that his pal, Nafeez Ahmed (another faker), who he referred to as an authoritative source for his own writing, stated that there had been, at the time he wrote the article containing that statement, no war in Europe for 66 years.

    related: “European support for far-right extremism reaches 1930s scale” by Nafeez Ahmed / https://medium.com/return-of-the-reich/european-support-for-far-right-extremism-reaches-1930s-scale-cd89d4f93a3d

  17. HomeRemedySupply says:

    “Tyler Durden” of Zero Hedge makes a good argument against a very important, but fallacious government economic report.

    (My note: I know most folks find this type of ‘economic’ subject matter dry, but it does tend to shape the landscape of our lives.)

    In a recent government report for the third quarter of 2019 (Q3), it shows that consumer spending has been increasing. This stat is significant, because it communicates ‘hope’ to the markets that the economy is doing well. The U.S. is, in large part, a consumer driven economy.

    10/30/2019 – Zero Hedge
    For The Second Consecutive Quarter, This Is What Americans Spent The Most Money On
    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/second-consecutive-quarter-what-americans-spent-most-money
    EXCERPTS
    …But what was the main driver of spending in the third quarter? …recreational vehicles. …

    …Why is this especially bizarre? Because exactly three months ago when doing the exact same analysis we found that in Q2, Americans spent the most on – are you ready for this – recreational vehicles!

    …So for two consecutive quarters, US GDP only beat declining expectations because American consumers inexplicably surged to buy RVs? Is everyone cooking meth now?

    But wait, there’s more.

    As regular readers will recall, the past two quarters are hardly an outlier for this particular segment – RV goods and vehicles – to emerge as a surprise top spending category: both two and three years ago, in Q1 of 2016 and then again in Q1 of 2017, Americans inexplicably again splurged on RVs (both of those times, there was a political prerogative to show GDP growth as strong as possible… just as there is now)….

  18. flammable says:

    I wonder does the fallacy fallacy refer to an argument that someone who uses a lot of logical fallacies about a subject discredit the subject. Again I’m gonna beat a dead horse about Alex Jones. Jones uses a lot of fallacies and exaggerations that makes many people discredit proven subjects and conspiracies he discusses.

  19. scpat says:

    Argument from Intimidation:

    Duane Clarridge Defends the Empire
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgCyDsvi84

  20. wylie1 says:

    There may be some utility in placing a name to a non-argument to help some learn of and identify non-arguments. However, rather than grinding the teeth off of my mental gearwerks trying to recall which fallacy someone is using, I’ll just lump non-arguments into the non-argument bin. And when a person complains of their particular rejection of information as a non-argument, I’ll just give them an example of what they are doing, using an example they can follow:
    If you cannot explain everything behind something that is happening, to their satisfaction(which can never be met), then it isn’t happening. e.g. Chemtrails.
    If you don’t understand/cannot explain all the aspects of what causes it to rain, and when you see it rain, do you claim it isn’t raining?

  21. fieldmouse says:

    I think I blotted my copy book in one of my previous comments, so I’ll try to avoid that.

    An annoying illogical (sic) fallacy is the prediction fallacy, which is judging something to be impossible because it’s off your map.
    John says to Jim, “I saw you on the beach last Sunday.”
    Jim wasn’t on the beach but has reason to believe he has a clone and says “It must have been my clone.”
    John, who believes Jim’s clone being on the beach is impossible, just smiles and now thinks Jim is retarded or something.

    A great example is when in 1915 Alfred Wegener published the tectonic plate theory in The Origin of Continents and Oceans he was pilloried and belittled. Only in the 1950s when the reigning professors had retired did his work start to be properly evaluated and was soon accepted into mainstream science. (Ref Lloyd Pie – Everything You Know is Still Wrong P60)

  22. manbearpig says:

    logical fallacies…totally… Twisted:

    “… My analyst told me that I was right out of my head The way he described it he said I’d be better dead than live I didn’t listen to his jive I knew all along that he was all wrong And I knew that he thought I was crazy But I’m not, oh no My analyst told me that I was right out of my head He said I need treatment but I’m not that easily led He said I was the type that was most inclined When out of his sight to be out of my mind And he thought I was nuts No more ifs or ands or buts They say as I child I appeared a little bit wild With all my crazy ideas, but I knew what was happening I knew I was a genius What’s so strange When you know that you’re a wizard at three I knew that this was meant to be Now I heard little children were supposed to sleep tight That’s why I got into the vodka one night My parents got frantic didn’t know what to do But I saw some crazy scenes before I came to Now do you think I was crazy I may have been only three, but I was swinging They all laughed at A. Graham Bell, they all laughed at Edison And also at Einstein, so why should I feel sorry If they just couldn’t understand the idiomatic logic That went on in my head, I had a brain, it was insane Oh they used to laugh at me when I’d refuse to ride On all those double-decker buses All because there was no driver on the top What, no driver on the top? Man the chick is twisted, crazy, moogie-shoogie, idiot flip city! My analyst told me that I was right out of my head But I said dear doctor I think that it’s you instead Because I’ve got a thing that’s unique and new To prove that I’ll have the last laugh on you ‘Cause instead of one head hi hi hi hi I’ve got two…

    And you know two heads are better than one…”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXwMgIlmoaM

  23. lisa.h says:

    LOVED this podcast. I want to hear more fallacies and examples of how they are used. Do another show like this one, please……

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