Interview 1375 – The Problem With Schooling on The Ripple Effect

07/30/201870 Comments

via The Ripple Effect Podcast: James Corbett & Hunter Maats join the show to discuss the history of education, issues with our current system and possible solutions. (WARNING TO SENSITIVE EARS: four-letter words throughout this conversation)

SHOW NOTES:
Addresses to the German nation by J.G. Fichte

The Meaning of a Liberal Education by Woodrow Wilson

The Technocratization of Public Education

Bill Gates is spending $1.7 billion to fix the US education system—here’s how

Background on Gates and eugenics

Children Full of Life

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  1. sal.l says:

    This guys actually thinks Al Qaeda took advantage of a loophole and just this once were successful? Oh boy. These are the same manufacturered justifications regurgitated by every person who is oblivious to all of the contradictory evidence. And did I hear him say “conspiracy theories”?

    • Fawlty Towers says:

      Yes.
      I can’t say I was really getting into the discussion, but when Hunter briefly started talking 9/11 at 25:40 and seemed to indicate that he didn’t have a problem with the government story it was lights out for me.
      I had to stop listening. Especially when the topic was about educating the young.

      I don’t care how many books he’s written. He needs to educate himself about 9/11.

      • HomeRemedySupply says:

        Yep. No kidding.

      • I Shot Santa says:

        Who in the crowd insisted that people must be told about 9/11?

        This has been an on-going theme. Perhaps you were over the rainbow the million times it’s been discussed.

        Actually, I’ve decided to NOT go through the rest of your bs. It seems the more adamant stupid people are about their ideas being heard, the less likely they are to listen to others. As that seems to be the case here, I shall just write you off as too immature to open your mind and educate yourself. It’s not really the stupidity that bothers me; it’s the rudeness (acting as if you have been personally insulted because this interviewer doesn’t think in a way you find appropriate) and the arrogance of criticizing it all when you have been too rude and closed minded to even listen to it. I’m used to your not being very educated, but you go on and on and on and on and on and on and on about 9/11 here; but yet you can’t stand it when someone doesn’t buy it the way you think they should. In short, keep your bubble; for when it pops the stench is going to be over-powering. For all of you close-minded people; the ones who whined about the 9/11 aspect and then tuned out; you are all self-defeating in your methods. After all, I don’t buy the official story and I don’t want anything to do with you. I can only imagine just how pleased people who don’t buy into your version of reality are when you decide they are unworthy of your speech. In short, bite me. JimBob who is just laughing at all the close minded little people who claim to be woke; but are anything but.

        • Fawlty Towers says:

          Strange that you didn’t reply directly to my post that asked you my questions.
          I will continue this post over there…

        • Fawlty Towers says:

          Santa:
          “It seems the more adamant stupid people are about their ideas being heard, the less likely they are to listen to others.”

          Does that apply to James as well?

          “I’m used to your not being very educated, but you go on and on and on and on and on and on and on about 9/11 here”

          Does that apply to the same James who has coincidentally pinned his ‘9/11 A Conspiracy Theory’ video (out of all his 100’s of videos) right at the top of his website?

      • cook says:

        I wonder too, how he made the connection with inept education system that was designed, not by the government but by wealthy “philanthropists” and September 11. There is no relation, how did he make one? And…Corbett laughs aloud, I joined him!

        • Fawlty Towers says:

          Yes it was doubly bizarre.

          First he brings up 9/11 totally out of the blue, then shortly after states “if you want to talk about 9/11, 19 men with box-cutters who sneak onto a plane, exploit a loop-hole and get lucky one time…”

          As if someone else had initiated the topic!

    • I Shot Santa says:

      At one time, I thought the government story was true enough. I am not into converting people at all, but for all of you who claim every one must be awakened; how can you accomplish this if you don’t prick your own filter bubble and establish a dialogue? JimBob who has a whole truck-load of needles if anyone needs any help.

      • pearl says:

        There’s ignorance and there’s willful ignorance. By his own words, Maats exhibited the latter. I don’t hate the guy, but I don’t necessarily respect his intellect either. It’s not every day I encounter the blatant confession that one doesn’t care if our government terrorized and murdered over three thousand of us on 9/11, let alone its decades long manipulations in a myriad of other agendas. So, if I came on too strong against him in my initial comment, so be it. I’m perfectly willing to adjust myself accordingly in future judgments. However, on two separate comments you posted earlier, you said,

        “I don’t really feel bad for people who never even questioned the reality they have been presented.”

        “She chose the multiple universe theory solely because she did not want to believe in a god. It would seem to me that anyone seeking truth would desire whichever solution got them closer to it.”

        My thoughts exactly. I don’t see myself diminishing my convictions/filter bubbles(?) toward the hard work of separating truth from fiction to begin a dialogue with someone who functions according to the traits you rightly isolated above. The best I can do is simply mark and avoid.

        • I Shot Santa says:

          I never said you needed to accept their reality. What I am hearing from everyone (especially the crowd who insists that people must be told about 9/11) is they tuned it all out after the one guy said he bought the official story. Of course, the subject of the interview is not 9/11, but education. That the guy did not buy the whole on purpose dumbing people down approach (which just means he doesn’t know his history), does not mean the whole conversation had to be turned off. In fact, it would have been very rude of James to do so, especially since it is the other guy’s show. And for James’ efforts, he got an excellent conversation with lots of good input all around. But of course, the biggest complainers never heard that part. They did not care for anything besides the 9/11 story of 17 years ago. The story that has yet to cause anything out of the people for years. JimBob who did learn a lot about education in this lecture, though he needs to listen again since everyone who didn’t listen has been griping about 9/11 instead.

          By the way, how can all of you make people aware of 9/11 if you just turn them off when they don’t buy your version of it? I’ve a real nice echo chamber for a low, low price for those of you who think that’s a good idea.

          • Fawlty Towers says:

            Many things to discuss from your post.

            “I never said you needed to accept their reality. What I am hearing from everyone (especially the crowd who insists that people must be told about 9/11) is they tuned it all out after the one guy said he bought the official story.”

            Who in the crowd insisted that people must be told about 9/11?

            “That the guy did not buy the whole on purpose dumbing people down approach (which just means he doesn’t know his history), does not mean the whole conversation had to be turned off.”

            By ‘on purpose dumbing people down approach’ I assume you are referring to our education systems?
            If you are, that is not the reason I personally turned off the conversation.

            “That the guy did not buy the whole on purpose dumbing people down approach (which just means he doesn’t know his history), does not mean the whole conversation had to be turned off. In fact, it would have been very rude of James to do so, especially since it is the other guy’s show.”

            I don’t think anyone was expecting James to end the conversation because of difference of opinions. I am not sure why you brought this up. I simply explained why I, personally, turned off the video.

            “But of course, the biggest complainers never heard that part. They did not care for anything besides the 9/11 story of 17 years ago.”

            When I hear someone, especially an educator who educates young children, admit that they have no problems buying into the official 9/11 story in 2018, I find that inexcusable.

            If James was invited to discuss ‘driverless cars’ with an automated vehicle specialist, or the ‘Yanny/Laurel Experiment’ that James devised with a auditory/linguist specialist and the guest admitted they still bought into the official 9/11 story I would have no problem with that and would probably continue watching/listening.

            But an educator who educates young children, that’s where I draw the line.

            “The story that has yet to cause anything out of the people for years.”

            What did you mean exactly by this statement? What were you expecting the 9/11 story to ‘cause’?

            “By the way, how can all of you make people aware of 9/11 if you just turn them off when they don’t buy your version of it?”

            Do you think I would have made Hunter aware of 9/11 if I didn’t turn off the show when I did?

          • pearl says:

            “That the guy did not buy the whole on purpose dumbing people down approach (which just means he doesn’t know his history), does not mean the whole conversation had to be turned off.”

            Agreed. I would never fault someone for not knowing history due to their simply not being exposed to it, but I do when they hear something different then blithely reduce it to mere “conspiracy theory” claiming it doesn’t matter how we got here. Would’ve been classier and wiser to just keep quiet about things he doesn’t care to know about than dismissing half his audience (he’s the one dialoging after all; James and the host showed themselves to be a cut above).

            But short of listening to the interview a second time, I will say that I believe I overstated Maats’ position when I accused him of not caring what our government did that day. If I recall correctly, he believes the official conspiracy theory and is currently not interested in the other; the not caring how we got here was his reaction to being confronted with James’ research into education. How 9/11 got into the mix, I’m blank at the moment.

            As for echo chambers, I didn’t get this far by hanging out in one.

          • Fawlty Towers says:

            Santa:
            It’s not really the stupidity that bothers me; it’s the rudeness (acting as if you have been personally insulted because this interviewer doesn’t think in a way you find appropriate)

            It was not the interviewer that I have been talking about, but rather one of the guests, Hunter Maats.

            I didn’t feel in the least bit insulted by what Hunter had to say.

            I think it will instructive for all here to read the transcript of the part of the show that caused me to tune out:

            Hunter: “Dysfunctional systems (educational) often evolve and they’re driven by those prejudices, and there’s that inexorable revolution but the individuals don’t necessarily understand all the moving parts of it, and you can arrive at these very dysfunctional systems that have the basic effect of excluding people without having had planners you know, map this out on a drawing board.

            So, for example, you know, was the U.S., I mean you know, James uh, I, we can, I don’t know necessarily that we want to get into 9/11 but, uh, ya know, I mean for example, I think what’s interesting is that simultaneously very often when you’re talking with somebody who tends to believe in what we would call conspiracy theories, is that they believe that, you know, the government is entirely corrupt, ya know corrupt and inept, but at the same time they were able to pull off these MASSIVE, you know, false flag operations that require a level of genius, master and secrecy that is so far beyond what the actual government..

            James: “A level of genius, mastery and secrecy that only 19 men with box-cutters could possibly pull off. But ya, the government couldn’t do that. Right, ya. Hahahaha…”

            Hunter: “No, but I mean that’s, that’s the point, is that I don’t think that, I mean you know, ya, if you want to talk about 9/11, 19 men with box-cutters who sneak onto a plane, exploit a loop-hole and get lucky one time. Like Al-Qaeda has not…

            James: “Four times, in one day, but yeah.”

            Hunter: “…succeeded in producing, ya and that’s the point it’s that Al-Qaeda has not succeeded in reliably producing (sic) those sorts of attacks.”

            James: “Well actually Al-CIA’da never did anything without intelligence help, but, anyway. Yeah, we could get into the actual history, but..

            • Fawlty Towers says:

              This is the last part of the transcript:

              Hunter: “That’s, well but see that’s the thing. You’re making the claim that you have the actual history and claiming legitimacy, then the point is, is that, ya know, we’re both, all dealing with partial information here, and what do each of us really know? Like we both think that we know things, but again, like how credible it is, and it doesn’t really matter! Like, you and I can argue about whether the educational system is, you know, dysfunctional by intent or whether the educational system is dysfunctional by incompetence.

              But the reality is, that, you know, us being divided on that small point, only makes it easier for the people in power to continue to drive this dysfunctional system. So I think it’s better that we set aside the question of whether it was done by intent or by malice which we can’t really answer because we weren’t in a lot of those meetings and we’re going to be dealing with partial information, and focus on what are the things that we can practically do with the resources available to us, to start to evolve our way to a healthier more accountable system.”

              • pearl says:

                Thank you, Fawlty Towers, for making this available. I know doing that can be tedious. This is very helpful.

                So, to review: In a casual, friendly conversational tone, Maats said that James claims to have the actual history while also claiming to have legitimacy (I thought the body of James’ work spoke for him, but what do I know?), but at the end of the day, nobody’s history really matters because we can never really know the truth. So let’s get to work on making education better! Yeehaw!

                Yeah, I learned a lot here too.

    • mkey says:

      I found this bit to be quite atrocious. James handled it well, but this example provides ample reasoning on why people will simply choose to say nothing to people grasping at straws like this hunter/gatherer.

      Educators should know better, but, oh well, you know, compartmentalization.

    • Octium says:

      It’s actually worse than that. He is an Incompetence Theorist (Someone who believes or at least pretends to believe the government is too incompetent to be involved with a conspiracy)

      Of course it gets interesting when you think about the moon landing. If the government is so incompetent, it could not have possibly landed a man on the moon, but if is so incompetent it could not have possibly organsied a fake moon landing and kept it quiet either:-)

  2. weilunion says:

    The issue is the privatization of education.

    Advocacy Philosophy and the Leveraged buy-out of schools

    https://philosophersforchange.org/2013/05/14/advocacy-philanthropy-and-the-leveraged-buy-out-of-public-schools-part-1/

    See the history of how capitalism and education work.

    Hope this gets posted

  3. weilunion says:

    The debate over schooling and education is an historical debate. Without understanding the historical roots, take a look on page five of an old Counterpunch.

    The Lippman Dewey Debate

    https://cpdev1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/vol-16-no-22.pdf

    The answer is to teach people how to learn, not what to learn.

    Within the global capitalist system this is impossible. Only mutiny teaching is the rebellion now.

  4. gdpetti says:

    What most seem to misunderstand is why these problems are with us today… why does any region/people/tribe encounter these problems once they grow to a certain size? Once line in a book David R. Hawkins wrote explains the whole esoteric ‘meaning of life’ explanation well…we live in one level of Purgatory… which is esoterically called a school in consciousness… thus all the bloodline issues which deal with the Adamics vs PreAdamic issues… all the other racial, religious et al issues are masks used to ‘divide and conquer’… aka The Tower of Babel… seeking to unify, is brought down by the Hidden Hand of those in control of ‘purgatory’… essenially, no pain, no gain… the catalyst is said to be 100x greater here… not much catalyst when we ‘walked with the gods’… aka, the ‘good/positive ones’… not those we ‘enjoy’ here in purgatory. The quest awaits those that seek… seek and ye shall find… not many seekers.. not many ‘wake up’ enough in one lifetime.. which is why it takes so many to accumulate enough points to graduate… from catalyst we form bias, from which we learn to make choices… which form the glasses in which we view the world… a change of perspective can change everything… from the worst experiences in life, we learn to see the real world… and why things are as they are. Sure, life here on planet Earth could be Eden once more, but we aren’t there anymore… the Adamics choose to experience things here… where the catalyst, like sex, is so much more ‘vivid’… same with violence, rage, etc… all the feelings we experience from the archetypal field of emotion… forcing us to make choices.. until we learn to make The Choice… Plato’s Cave analogy.. stay or go.. ‘if I stay there will be trouble… if I go, it will be double’… UpsideDown Man from the Tarot’s major arcana… the old teachings symbols of the mind/body/spirit complex for life here in our manipulated DNA bodies… no surprise then that science is relearning the old ways… retesting the old lessons from previous civilizations that come and go… The WHeel of Life… from which we and our tribes/societies are born, grow up, grow old and die… gold, silver, bronze and iron age.. rise and fall of the sun to night… etc… all symbolism… which like Truth, has been erased from our history books and kept down in that basement closet like that child in Ursula K. LeGuin’s short story “The Ones Who Walk Away Fro Omelas”.

    It all makes sense when you start to understand WTF is going on and why. Things are as they are because those in charge like it that way and they train those of us that choose to be like them in the ‘dark arts’.. Hermetic maxim applies: ‘as above, so below’. School is said to be ending soon.. within a decade, though it usually takes a couple eons to complete the process…. which is why the Mayan 2012.. remember that dating was from an American and German researchers… not the elders… as that long count calender was a lunar one..

  5. gdpetti says:

    What most seem to misunderstand is why these problems are with us today.Why does any tribe encounter these problems once they grow to a certain size? One line in a book by David R. Hawkins explains said we live in one level of Purgatory… which is esoterically called a school in consciousness… thus all the bloodline issues which deal with the Adamics vs PreAdamic issues. All the other racial, religious issues etc are masks used to ‘divide and conquer’… aka The Tower of Babel, which, seeking to unify, is brought down by the Hidden Hand of those in control of ‘purgatory’… essentially, no pain, no gain… the catalyst is said to be 100x greater here… not much catalyst when we ‘walked with the ‘gods’, the good ones in Eden… not the same ‘gods’ we ‘enjoy’ here in purgatory. The quest awaits those that seek… seek and ye shall find. Not many ‘wake up’ enough in one lifetime.. which is why it takes so many to accumulate enough points[self-awareness] to graduate… from catalyst we form bias, from which we learn to make choices, which forms the glasses in which we view the world, a change of perspective can change everything, from the worst experiences in life, we learn to see the real world, and why things are as they are. Sure, life here on planet Earth could be Eden once more, but we aren’t there anymore. The Adamics choose to experience things here… where the catalyst, like sex, is so much more ‘vivid’… same with violence, rage, etc… all the feelings we experience from the archetypal field of emotion… forcing us to make choices.. until we learn to make The Choice… Plato’s Cave analogy.. stay or go.. ‘if I stay there will be trouble, if I go, it will be double’… UpsideDown Man from the Tarot’s major arcana… the old teachings symbols of the mind/body/spirit complex for life here in our manipulated DNA bodies… no surprise then that science is relearning the old ways… retesting the old lessons from previous civilizations that come and go… The WHeel of Life… from which we and our tribes/societies are born, grow up, grow old and die… gold, silver, bronze and iron age.. rise and fall of the sun to night etc, all symbolism, which like Truth, has been erased from our history books and kept down in that basement closet like that child in Ursula K. LeGuin’s short story “The Ones Who Walk Away Fro Omelas”.

    It all makes sense when you start to understand WTF is going on and why. Things are as they are because those in charge like it that way and they train those of us that choose to be like them in the ‘dark arts’.. Hermetic maxim applies: ‘as above, so below’. School is said to be ending soon.. within a decade, though it usually takes a couple eons to complete the process…. which is that Mayan 2012 thing. Remember that dating was from an American and German researcher, not the Mayan elders, as that long count calender was a lunar one, not our solar.

  6. I Shot Santa says:

    Thanks James! And I was so happy to hear you put those seeds of future discussions into solutions at the end. While I know it must be frustrating to hear that people only blame stupid (it does account for much) and then say that is proof of why conspiracies can never work; but these people are stopping their own thinking process by a few steps. However, just by being able to open up their bubbles to allow other opinions in, they will eventually come to a far more complex understanding of the subject. They may not get the same answer, but it will be a lot closer to how things actually work. After all, if you are designing a system which will create stupid people, shouldn’t you incorporate those people into the system? It’s it’s own genius.

    I also want to give a “hat tip” to the guy who watched the flat earth documentary. I’ve only been able to watch about twenty minutes of that crap. However, I am presently watching a series on religion from a fundamentalist(icly stupid) point of view for the same reasons. 1- to understand where these people are coming from and 2- to be able to refute it. But it is very hard for me to watch them. I’ve only watched about five to date and there are some ten more to go. To give you an idea (for those of you who are familiar with Jericho you will note it is an especially brutal episode) they talk of how the Israelites weren’t like those pagans who demanded blood sacrifices; except of course they DID burn a guy in sacrifice there. The video also didn’t mention many other parts, cherry picking, but it is a great tool with which to sharpen my active learning/critical thinking skills. But I digress as usual.

    As you can tell, education is a pretty exciting venue to me. After all, those who control your mind, control your life. I try and make it me in charge. Thanks again, JimBob

  7. FlyingAxblade says:

    the goal of all Public Education should be graduating High School as an EMT. Chemistry, Math, driving, languages, languages, sewing, home ec, etc

  8. kansett says:

    One of my favourite topics – the ‘education’ system. Thank you for throwing even more light on its inherent corruption and ineffectiveness.

    One thing I thought when the two of you started to diverge on your thoughts around whether it was ineffective by design or by default, was that it is important to know the motivations (or lack thereof) of the powers that be behind this system…

    It’s one thing to try and fix a broken system that is open to reform, and quite another if it is broken BY DESIGN.

    Our whole approach to remedying it will be quite different. Naive optimism will get us nowhere when strident defiance is warranted

    • manbearpig says:

      “…It’s one thing to try and fix a broken system that is open to reform, and quite another if it is broken BY DESIGN…”

      Yes Indeed. Very well stated!

  9. justine.k says:

    Great to see you tackle this issue, although honestly disappointed by the exchange but nontheless an impotant topic. As I have two kids in high school (HS) in Canada at a private school bound by the provincial curriculum. I worry about indoctrination, and time and money wasted in HS and soon university. Though I now see the merits of home-schooling simething I didn’t in the past, I do want to say that current schooling is not all bad (although some parts are). As it wasn’t mentioned, have you heard of the Finish model? I think it is very interesting. I look forward to more on this topic, especially as a parent.

  10. candlelight says:

    Man crush, eh? How on earth did you keep as straight as face as you did?

    Anyhow….

    At 25:59, Hunter Maats says:

    “…and it doesn’t really matter. Like you and I can argue whether the educational system is, you know, dysfunctional by intent, or the educational system is dysfunctional by incompetence. But, the reality is, you know, us being divided on that small point only makes it easier for the people in power to continue to drive this dysfunctional system. So I think it’s better to set aside the question whether it was done by intent or by malice which we can’t really answer because we weren’t in a lot of those meetings….”

    Well, for goodness sake, I hope not! That is, I very much hope Mr. Maats you weren’t at ANY! of those meetings! None!! Lol

    All kidding aside, besides making no logical sense whatsoever, what Mr. Maats demonstrates in the above quote encapsulates the ultimate failing of the educational system as we now have had for the last 20 years or more (many more), namely, a grave dearth in the development of critical thinking!

    Mr. Maats is expressing precisely that which allows the powers that be to drive the system in the first place: When people conclude that an act of malice and an act of incompetence is but a trifling divide, to be “set aside“, and not entered into the equation or discussion, then you know humanity’s pretty well up against it.

    Since it was touched on briefly, but exactly exemplifying the horror of what befalls humanity in its lack of critical thinking, or its blocking out of critical thinking, as witnessed above, is the amazing success of the 9/11 Psyop.

    Ah, yeah, no. I don’t know. Who knows? It’s all just speculation. Conspiracy theories. We weren’t at those meetings, right?…………

    I think it’s a shame.

    • I Shot Santa says:

      Candlelight, the truth is though that it is easier to attract people to educating themselves, rather than scaring them with the “evil government” mantra. Whatever it takes to get people started in developing their critical thinking and creative powers is fine with me. They’ll figure out the over-all reality in time.

    • pearl says:

      I so agree, Candlelight. I watched this yesterday, ruminated a bit, and woke up this morning unable to move beyond that exact quote. How does one reason with such a mindset: malice vs dysfunction…who cares?! I don’t see him even bothering to want to learn.

      In contrast, I came away proud of James. In so many ways he shined.

      • candlelight says:

        Pearl

        Yes, James is a most diplomatic fellow, and his intellectual discernment most always shines, to be sure. In the context of his discussion with Maats, James by and large made little attempt at argument [disclaimer: I didn’t actually watch the whole podcast], but made it a point to express agreement when agreement could be had. For instance, directly following Maats’ referenced quote, to paraphrase, Maats states we should use whatever resources we have available to evolve our way to a healthier and a more accountable system, whereupon James in typical fashion succinctly responds, in agreement, that the solutions lie with us, rather than what is being done to us and by whom.

        Now, that was a rather diplomatic response to say the least. Also, in another act of diplomacy, let us say, James seemed to be bobbing his head a little more than usual in what I believe (although I may be mistaken) may have been an attempt to keep himself from otherwise rolling his eyes in too obvious a fashion at many of Maats’ statements…. A clever use of body language from the master. 🙂

        • I Shot Santa says:

          The bobbing of his head is an agreement response. Why would you argue against using what you have? That’s all you can ever do. Had you watched the entire episode, you might have learned how bubbles are pricked by engaging in conversation, rather than beating other people over the head with your per-conceived beliefs. JimBob who sees a world of bubbles.

          • candlelight says:

            You see a world full of bubbles, Jimbob?
            Do you happen to notice your own among them?
            If you do, based upon my preconceived beliefs, I strongly suggest you go ahead and start pricking!

            Why not? Ya got all the needles you need, right?

            • I Shot Santa says:

              Actually, I’ve already addressed how I go to prick my own bubbles. On more than one occasion, I might add. Have you watched the entire podcast yet? Because none of the participants chose to beat the other person over the head with their own opinions, much was learned by those who actually did watch the video. A closed mind never learns. JimBob who still has lots of needles left, he just wishes for some bigger bubbles as the small ones strain his eyes anymore.

              • candlelight says:

                You know something, I come back to this website after basically being off the internet for a few weeks, and I see some really viscous posts – mainly yours. That whole brouhaha with VOA regarding the Akismet spam filter tool? That got really out of hand. “Drunky Arab”? Really? You don’t consider that racist? Why nobody called you out on that is beyond me. But, I’m calling you out on that, my friend. And if you don’t think “Drunky Arab” and “Drunk Arab” are ethnic(read racist)slurs, then you’re damn straight, you are definitely the asshole you claim to be. And it’s proof positive especially so when you made a very conscious decision to repeat the slur numerous times.

                But, now I see you’re on a roll, aren’t you? After a month’s time, I place a post and you’ve got a lecture for me. I place another post and you go all hyper critical. In both instances you completely misinterpreted what I said, and the manner in which I said it. You read what you wanted to read. It’s as simple as that. You have some kind of idea that you’ve pricked your filter bubbles? I don’t know which ones you pricked, but you got way more to go, buddy. You have bubbles inside of bubbles which are inside more bubbles. You have bubbles full of hate, anger, low self-esteem, inferiority complexes – superiority complexes, you name it. No wonder you see a world of bubbles. That truck load of needles gonna come in handy, yet.

                By the way, you also need to be called out on how your trashing Fawlty Towers. The vitriol you’re expressing there makes very little sense; except if we come to realize your greatest and toughest filter bubble yet to be popped – the one you got that’s full of hypocrisy.

                So now, why don’t you go and man up: Go apologize to Fawlty Towers AND VOA.

                Wuddaya say, Jimbob? Are you humble enough? Are you clear minded enough? Can you push those bubbles away for just a few moments to see the light?

                I promise, there would be a lot less strain on your eyes if you did….

              • I Shot Santa says:

                Candelight, I didn’t go all hyper on you; the opposite in that case. But you are right on one thing; I’m ticked. This whole comment section made me realize how this area is stuck in it’s own bubble. How DARE anyone think different? He didn’t believe as I do! And all the gripes were that you all quit listening. On you though, you went all ballistic. Though I did go that way on fawlty, but he’s an idiot. I didn’t read all of yours as once I realized this, I decided to leave your precious bubble. Go ahead and quit learning once a “different” though intrudes. Though I’m not sure how you will ever learn anything. But I don’t care. I decided to quit visiting the comment sections once I figured this part out. So, it’s now safe for your precious bubble. JimBob who still don’t give a damn what you think of him.

              • HomeRemedySupply says:

                I gotta say that I really like VoiceOfArabia.
                I miss seeing his posts.

                In fact, I like everyone on this board.
                I enjoy reading everyone’s “two cents”.

                There was only one person who I did not care for much because his attitude was ALWAYS hypercritical, but he no longer posts. And I always ignored him anyways.

                I don’t care for bar fights much.
                But it is only words here, not beer bottles and boots.

              • mkey says:

                Question aimed at candlelight: how does “drunk Arab” count as an ethnic or racial slur? For that to work, one would have to insult a person based on their ethnicity or race by pulling a stereotype out of their ass, the way it’s normally done.

                I personally wouldn’t choose that method of expression, but if a person is of Arabian descent and possibly in someone’s view acts as if they were drunk, how would calling them a “drunk Arab” count as an ethnic or racial slur? I don’t get it.

                Generally, JimBob can get a bit frisky and pushy but in that instance VoA was quite off the mark. My motivation to react was to provide people who read his bullshit with proper context, which he refused on face value.
                I don’t care for personal insults very much, when someone hands you a shovel of horse shit you don’t have to take it, but to be baselessly accused of ad hominem attacks while at the very same time being on the receiving end of same is priceless to say the least. I don’t think the guy was drunk at the time, but there was something rather fishy going on.

                Baseless accusations just kept on coming from that point on.

            • manbearpig says:

              Interesting…seems of vital importance for some to keep bringing the Askimet system back into the discussion…

              Perhaps Mr Corbett should create an Askimet-Private info Open Thread…?

              At any rate, smiley émoticons aside, I wouldn’t worry too much about apologizing to VoiceOfArabi who himself has no problem with tossing about accusations and insinuations. The Following copy/paste quotes are just from the last few weeks.

              Refusing to provide a viable alternative to Askimet “he” insists:

              “…In this case, what does Corbett Report use the data for and why does he need to know what type of device I am using and what operating system is on my system and the unique identification of my device?

              “However, The Corbett Report CHOOSES to track all information”

              “…if you do know and still come up with this stuff.. I will accuse you of disinformation from now on!!…”

              “So, in short. Corbertt can decide not to collect all this info, and give us a higher level of security. simple.”

              About the Yanny/Laurel video:

              “Hello again I Shot Santa,
              I would like to take our conversation further…, especially since i have noticed that you did not take part in the latest social experiment by our James Corbertt…

              …for example, James Corbertt is the de facto leader of this community if he likes it or not. and the best place to see this is He

              got a large section of this community playing a game not much different than “pokemon go” (peace = war) etc etc… an exercise in double speak. (i myself don’t understand why it is interesting or worth wasting brain cycles on, but i have noticed you are missing also)..?

              …So, the point i want to make, and this social experiment clearly shows it, you require leadership to point people towards a common goal, even when the majority don’t really agree or are interested in this goal…”

              “James although claims not to want to lead, but for the last two days he lead many people (willingly) to go and play with online dictionaries achieving absolutely nothing new!”

              Miscellaneous:

              “…I wonder what other well meaning movements exists today that is supported by well meaning people that ultimately will win more ground for “The Man”
              1- Climate Change?
              2- NewsBud team?
              3- Anarchists?
              4- A.I. Research?
              5- Corbertt Report? 🙂”

              “…My question is:
              How do we know this site is not another venue to keep us from organizing”

              “I normally prefer not to scare people, but as I have good IT background i know the following for sure. (100%) ”

              “This notion of having no form is pure BS…”

              “So, this false (No Form) is to give us false sense of security….”

              just to list a few within 500 words…

              • manbearpig says:

                My comment listing VoA’s insinuations is in response to Candlelight’s comment currently located 3 comments below where Candlelight says He Shot Santa should “man up” and apologize to VoA for spouting racial slurs. Ad Hominem is indeed a dangerous game though.

              • I Shot Santa says:

                Thanks MBP. I was actually only coming back here to point out a more detailed explanation of VOA. In that his postings quit the instant he figured he was outed as intel during the gulf war. Which also brings in to question his debate with me in which he called for violent revolution as the answer. Of course, candlelight is too busy being triggered to note that I went through being called dis-info (along with Pearl), through his sense-less callings that Mr. Corbett was dirty because he used askimet. That I also kept my temper when he was calling for violence as a solution. I merely stopped when I got tired of him calling me a liar. And then I started in when voa went ape on mkey over posting a wikipedia definition. No, candlelight didn’t notice any of those things.
                Having said that, I thought I had turned off my comment replies as I have no more desire to waste in a comment section. Especially when the person we are discussing at the moment came on because he was triggered about a video he never bothered to watch. And it is one of the best podcasts to date in my opinion. But the closed mind will never learn. JimBob who still don’t give a damn, but thought it was important to note the VOA thing in case others didn’t get it.

              • manbearpig says:

                On the ‘Kia’s Driverless Future’ comments board VoiceOfArabi says both:

                “…I got it… we have people like “you” working in “my region” on social media also.
                I am not going to fall into this trap, and

                I will push forward to secure my data from anyone including Corbett Report…

                and “…I have implemented security for myself from day one and I am safe…”

                So which is it?

                If you’ve implemented security for yourself from day one here then why do you need to secure your data from this Askimet mediating site?

                Mr Corbett has replied to you. You have not supplied a viable alternative.

                And yet you persist imperiously posing ultimatums, telling Mr Corbett what he should do with his own site, trying to use the Corbett Report to organize movements and create polling systems while gruffling erroneously about “social experiments”.

                Thus it appears you have some other objective here

                such as trying to acquire credibility by ‘making friends’ so as to better plant doubt in everyone’s minds about Mr Corbett, generally hinder communication on this site and scare people away by insinuating that this comments board is somehow more perilous and vicious than elsewhere, that Mr Corbett is engaging in social experiments while completely misrepresenting the nature of the Yanny/Laurel video (to go and play with online dictionaries…like pokemon go you say??) and all that just in the last month or so…

  11. HomeRemedySupply says:

    Public school is really about “Who pooped on the gym floor?”
    https://hooktube.com/watch?v=5XtD4Y6eJdE

  12. St Gregory of Nyssa says:

    Woodrow Wilson’s speech is being quoted in a misleading manner so that it sounds more sinister. In the same speech, the man also said:

    *It is imperative that we distinguish between education and technical or industrial training. And before we distinguish between these two it is necessary that we distinguish between the individuals who are going to take the one and the individuals who are going to take the other. There is no method in American life by which the state or any public authority can pick out the persons to be educated in the one way or the other. The vitality of American life, and the vitality of all democratic life, lies in self-selection; it lies in the challenge put upon all to make up their minds as to what they want and what they intend to do with themselves. It is absolutely essential that we should start with that or we can never have any system of education.*

    Which is consistent with Libertarian and Agoristic values.

    Furthermore, Carroll Quigley, whom James Corbett and G Edward Griffin ostensibly respect, complained in Tragedy and Hope (1966) that the problem facing schools was that they were not rigorous or disciplined enough, and were emphasizing creativity and emotions too much:

    *From all this [following WW2] came a wholesale ending of discipline, both in the home and in school, and the advent of “permissive education,” with all that it entailed. Children were encouraged to have opinions and to speak out on matters of which they were totally ignorant; acquisition of information and intellectual training were shoved into the background; and restrictions of time, place, and movement in schools and homes were reduced to a minimum. Every emphasis was placed on “spontaneity”; and fixed schedules of time periods or subject matter to be covered were belittled. All this greatly weakened the disciplinary influence of the educational process, leaving the new generation much less disciplined, less organized, and less aware of time than their parents.*

    • manbearpig says:

      The man from Nyssa stated:

      “Woodrow Wilson’s speech is being quoted in a misleading manner so that it sounds more sinister.”

      Thanks for the additional context but I guess the active word in that sentence is “more”…

      In today’s reality though, in Education as with most everything else, you get what you pay for…
      and the latter part of your comment doesn’t exclude the Pavlovian effect of conditioning for the lower and middle class work world. My American post-WW2 public school education was mostly about social conditioning at any rate.

  13. pearl says:

    Just finished watching “Children Full of Life”. Such wisdom! I’d love to know where those children are today, what kind of people they are, and how that one man influenced them. He and his kind are a gift to humanity. Thank you for linking to it.

  14. zyxzevn says:

    Solution: freedom on school

    Democratic Schools

    I have visited some and the children on those schools are very
    much alive and supportive of each other.
    There are different versions, but I visited some of the very
    free ones.
    On those schools the children can choose to learn whatever they want.
    They can even just go out and play football all day.
    Game-time on computers/phones is usually very limited, as they are
    addictive.

    I think it works best if the parents are also involved in some way.
    But it is not really necessary.
    It was one of the first schools where children wanted to go to school,
    and where they were eager to learn things.

    Whether or not you think your children would fit there,
    imagine what it would do if your children were really free.

    Solution: cooperative games/ work

    I also help selling cooperative games.
    Children on schools often start fighting with competitive games.
    With cooperative games, they learn to work together to achieve
    a common goal.

    The idea is that children and people learn that working together
    gives more benefit to all.

    No, it has nothing to do with communism. Somehow the US has
    been brainwashed into destructive competition.
    I often find that it is easier for children to work together
    on a common goal, than for adults to even talk about it.

    Solution: Basic safety

    https://i.imgur.com/ZQ2BGw2.mp4

    I also work on a program that helps to make machinery safer.
    Basic safety is necessary for children to avoid harm.

    We don’t need to make them scared of every fire or electric machine.
    They need to learn what is dangerous about it, and that they should
    avoid problems. Learn them why it is dangerous and not to play with them.

    And it can be fun too, if you learn them to extinguish different
    kinds of fires.
    Or how to jump and fall without breaking anything.
    How to swim.
    And let them know why adults are necessary and to ask for help.

    Parenting: I think children want a certain level of excitement.
    And if they are bored, they will try to find it in real dangerous stuff.
    If you get them to do exciting stuff together, they won’t need
    to do it on their own.
    https://i.imgur.com/xcGddkA.mp4

    The modern world can have many dangers that are not so obvious.
    Like a common Lithium battery that starts burning.
    Would you or your child know what to do?
    https://imgur.com/gallery/i7gmV3o

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      zyxzevn,
      This is wonderful to hear!
      You are personally carving SOLUTIONS.

      I love the concept of “Cooperation” as the keynote in game playing.
      And Safety is so important.

      Dang!…I wish someone had warned me or educated me about some things when I was a kid.
      No one ever told me that mercury was toxic…so here I am as a 6th grader rolling the stuff around in my hands and playing with it. About a year later, my hands were peeling skin. Not the Doctors, no one knew why. During this time, I also had odd anxiety issues.
      And then in High School I am using the blow torch at home to melt lead so I could make lead Peace Signs to wear around my neck.

  15. zyxzevn says:

    No critical thinking in science

    While science is supposed to improve critical thinking,
    I have often found that it has become schooling.
    We see it in medicine, in climate science, etc.

    We even see it in Astronomy.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/plasmacosmology/wiki/

    I could already identify 7 provable errors in the
    science of the Sun. That is our nearest star.

    Just imagine how bad the rest of our astronomy really is.

    This proof of errors is based on well known science
    and experiments that we can do on earth.

    The errors are usually introduced due to historical errors,
    that never have been rectified.

    I can not discuss this with other astronomers, as they
    are programmed to not question certain false theories.
    Their answer is in the line of:
    “we have always done it this way”.

    The programming is done during education/schooling.
    The alternatives to the theories are usually straw-man, they just
    pick the worst alternative theory possible.
    The reasoning is usually circular.
    The evidence is usually confirmation bias, often hidden by faulty statistics.

    The science is never contested, because we can not go that far.
    And in the scarce cases that we do, the scientists involved invent all kinds of excuses.
    You can not enter the field, unless you agree with them. So they hijack the fake “expertise” and don’t let any criticism in.

    I have seen this in other fields of science.
    (see http://www.reddit.com/r/paradigmchange/ )
    But I never thought that it was so easy to find such stuff in physics based sciences.

    Bonus: Pink Floyd – The Wall
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrxX9TBj2zY&list=PLlAIujS66Q6BJF0T8215thrP0z0ZQQ0tQ&index=5
    We don’t need no thought control

    • I Shot Santa says:

      You are SO right on the critical thinking in science! I immediately remembered an article I read in LiveScience (the National Enquirer of Science) in which they proclaimed the top astrophysicists had all decreed there were multiple universes. This one astrophysicist explained her reasoning as it became a choice between either believing in multiple universes or in a god. She chose the multiple universe theory solely because she did not want to believe in a god. While it is one thing to not believe in a deity, it is another to base your reason because you don’t WANT to believe in one. It would seem to me that anyone seeking truth would desire whichever solution got them closer to it. What I also found hilarious about her decision is that all she did was open up the field for a belief in an even more powerful deity that controlled all the multi-verses. In short, she just kicked the can down the road and it snowballed into infinity. JimBob who thinks that modern science resembles the Brain in Pinky and the Brain more than anything else.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBkT19uH2RQ

  16. HomeRemedySupply says:

    I agree with James about Bill Gates. In fact, I suspect that many of those who are very powerful have psychopathic tendencies (psychopathic actions which they believe are “the right thing to do”).

    Worth listening to…1969 Lecture by an ELITE or at least parts are worth listening to.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCmBAzEyfU8

    (Disclaimer – whether the audio is a true anecdote or not, I don’t know. However, some insight is gained from the story which is told.)

    EXCERPTS from shownotes…
    Dr. Lawrence Dunegan was invited to attend a lecture by Dr. Richard Day in 1969. Dr. Day told this room of about 80-90 doctors all about the changes they would witness in their lifetime as a result of “The Order”. Dunegan made the audio tapes in 1989.

    …Homosexuality will be encouraged – anything goes. Families will diminish in importance… …Euthanasia will be encouraged…”stupid” people would not eat correctly and exercise so they would die much earlier and that’s what they wanted. Private doctors will be eliminated … They will make health care so expensive that you must have insurance or be financially destroyed…New difficult to treat and diagnose diseases will come about as a means of population control…
    …Entire meals will be made and put in grocery stores. Convenience foods will be made unhealthy…

    …The education system will be restructured as a tool of indoctrination. Kids will spend more time in school but won’t learn anything. Kids will have to specialize early on in their education and changing their plans will be very difficult.
    …ID will be required for all travel…
    …They will control who has access to information…
    Drug use will be encouraged to encourage a “Jungle” atmosphere.
    …They didn’t want anybody to be able to support efforts outside their system.

    • I Shot Santa says:

      Thanks HRS, that’s a pretty good batting average there. However, I would like to point out something that most people also never figure out; life ain’t fair. Never has been and never will be. It has always been up to the individual to determine their own good. But most people never put forth the effort for this; sort of a theme with Nietzsche. While people complain about the price of organics (even those with big old yards which they don’t hesitate to spray with nerve agents. And I’ve never heard of restrictions against back yard gardens, just saying), it is really a question of people determining their priorities.
      I don’t really feel bad for people who never even questioned the reality they have been presented. In the end, the only one who can ever save you is yourself; so why would a person ever just blindly trust people/organizations which have such a bad track record?
      I was subjected to the “New Math” when it first came out. Didn’t take. Instead, my education came out of the local bookstore and doing. Is it right that this system exists? In a sense, yes. Because people still get the government they deserve. But that doesn’t mean that you have to accept it as your lord and master. JimBob who still ain’t seen no reason to bend his knee to a pencil pushing tyrant.

  17. ddave says:

    Schooling is what one does in a school.
    school (n.1)
    “place of instruction,”
    no, not a place for exploring the universe with curiosity and imagination and discovery of that which is, ie the truth, nature. Book knowledge is second hand knowledge, no know-how obtained. Book knowledge requires belief. There is no substitute for verification of what we believe to be true. Much targeted work is required to get closer to the truth.

  18. jason.s says:

    One of the most stunning aspect of education was based on a premise that there must have been a way to teach before our common era of schooling did teach. This compelled me to look back and what was found was the seven classic liberal arts. The seven liberal arts are composed of the trivium and the quadrivium.

    In researching what the trivium and the quadrivium are, a natural path of inclination was found. What surprised me about this comprehension was that it wasn’t based on rudimentary goals but in fact the persons own willingness to strive for the next level of comprehension.

    There’s an ascending pattern going from beginning to end which are grammar, logic and rhetoric, arithmetic, geometry, music and astronomy. What happens in this system is the education is tailored to the level of comprehension that the student displays. Unlike the current system that tells the student that they made it because they scored a certain level, it’s based on the aspirants willingness to have a finer comprehension.

    Great mysteries can be unlocked seeking this route because it’s based always on the individuals willingness to learn finer details. If there’s no interest, then they can be fine pursuing life at the level they have interest in.

    The devastation of the current education system is that everyone has to fit into this premodeled role of what a person should be. This gives little room for personal interest which might unlock greater potential than what has been previously witnessed.

  19. candlelight says:

    manbearpig, mkey, santa, relatively speaking, in no particular order….

    Firstly mbp, I didn’t bring up Askimet to bring up Askimet. It just so happened to be the issue at hand, the catalyst, that got everybody’s ass in a tizzy. For me, I had noticed Askimet months ago soon after I started posting. The way I looked at it, James was structuring his website to handle commentary and probably had few options, if any, to do so without using an obnoxious platform such as Askimet. And indeed, I basically copped the same attitude towards it as you did – the alphabets are all over this site, anyway. so what difference does it make? And as such, I passed the whole thing off as a joke, under the circumstances. [though, I will give you two anecdotes that to my utterly non-techy head gives me pause to think Askimet as possibly more nefarious than meets the eye, or what is read in their cutesy introduction of who they are and what they do…. For starters, when I at first attempted to copy and paste my assigned password to store in documents, I was told I couldn’t do it because the data I was attempting to paste was to large, and would need to be reduced. I found that rather strange being that I was only pasting 13 or so characters. So, I simply entered the password manually into documents – and low and behold, in my documents the password is lit up blue as if it were itself a link! If you, or anybody out there can explain this phenomenon then please do. Secondly, if I write a post in documents in order to transfer same to comments, I can do so, but not the other way around – I get the same message in documents, that the data is too great to be pasted. Of the two, I find the password in my documents looking like a link the more inexplicable and odd]….

    But, getting back to VoiceOfArabi, thank you for his quotes. A number of them I had read. Some I haven’t. Interestingly enough, I haven’t read the ones santa said I didn’t read (how did he know that?), the ones where he’s called a liar, etc., though I’m sure plenty of merde (pardon my French)was getting thrown in both directions. Anyway, none of the quotes you supplied, to be honest with you, give me conniptions like they have santa and mkey, and to a lesser extent, yourself. I think he came up with the “dear leader” bit based upon the degree of loyalty you have to James. Obviously, he is of a different mindset..er, completely. At some quotes I can roll my eyes and go “Ugh”, while others are/almost humorous. Some quotes are conjecture, summoning his overriding distrust, and when prodded or derided for his views, he becomes accusatory. He did, though, offer some sort of human solution to the spam filtering problem …himself. Or, actually others, since he sited that he was not in a position to fully disclose his identity to anyone, including James. I wonder if an intel agent would have bothered saying something like that – a model for slapstick of the 21st century digital age.

    • candlelight says:

      As far as VoiceOfArabi being an intel agent as santa implies? Who’s to say? Can santa sniff them out? On the contrary, maybe santa’s an agent, himself. Or mkey. Maybe I am. Or, even you, mbp. Maybe you’re the only manbearpig sitting at one of those many hundreds of cubicles at Fort Meade, alongside the Masons and Mormons spying away at the NSA. Maybe you’re sandwiched between santa and mkey. Maybe VOA is down the hallway, and you’re all having a good laugh. Maybe HomeRemedySupply just came back from the canteen with some coffee and doughnuts for y’all….

      Here’s a very viable quote from santa on the subject of VOA’s identity and his own:

      “As to where he is from no one here knows that answer. After all, it’s just a screen name. While mine is I Shot Santa, his reindeer were simply too quick on the hoof for me to get that shot!”

      I actually love that quote. It’s a real teaser. And meanwhile, there are probably a dozen or so things I can say that are suspect of a number of subscribers commenting on these pages, but, to me it would be absurd to do so. You mentioned the Ad hominem as being a slippery path? I think accusing someone of being intel is like putting such an Ad hominem attack on steroids: Impossible to verify. Impossible to back up. Like impaling someone by pure conjecture.

      santa

      At least I’m glad of one thing. With all my closed mindedness and preconceived ideas, at least I got one thing right, right santa? You’ve been ticked. Yup. And it certainly shows. I’m sorry, man, ticked or not, I think you’ve been getting out of hand. Why do you think I call you a hypocrite? You talk about this seemingly new revelation about engaging in dialogue, listening to other’s point of views, not hitting people over the head (like you accused me of doing) if they don‘t agree with your opinion, etc., etc., and yet you don’t like stupid. You repeat that time and time, again. Stupid this, stupid that. Like it was your mantra. You trash Fawty Towers, and still justify it by calling Fawlty Towers an idiot! Why? Because when it comes to 9/11 Truth Fawtly Towers refuses to suffer fools? Especially fools like Hunter Maats? And since you don’t agree with that, and since you’re now so open minded – you trash what you don’t like? Lol I get it. You’re new form of open mindedness is thirsting for the dialogue you like, and smashing that which you don’t like, or knit picking it to death, like making some weird big deal about my kidding about Corbett’s head bobbing about. As far as Maats goes, I wasn’t beating him on the head, nor was I calling him out about 9/11 (although I see he spouts the official myth literally verbatim), but I was calling him out about making no distinctions between intentionality and happenstance. Understatedly, a person in his position should be held to a much higher standard than that nonsense. And, yet, meanwhile, you’re all roses with a guy who finds himself as a talking head on an alternative blog site, or whatever The Ripple Effect is, and regurgitates the official 9/11 explanation word for word. I mean, give me an effing break. To Maats I say take your blinders off, please, for once! Connect the dots!
      In the same vein, I ought to correct one of your criticisms of me: I do not espouse scaring kids with ideas of an “evil government”. Where or how you got that idea I do not know. Out of thin air you put words in my mouth. I had made no mention of evil government or of teaching 9/11 Truth to kids. You wrongly accused me of that. On the other hand, again, you seem to be all roses with a guy like Maats, and at the same time you seem to have copped this weird attitude concerning 9/11Truth. It’s almost like you’re against it. You should try rereading your posts. You might surprise yourself. It’s like you’re going all Sibel Edmonds on us regarding 9/11. You mention it’s been 17 years like it‘s been enough already! – stop pounding it in to people – stop being closed minded – rather, be open minded to other peoples’ thoughts and ideas. Or do you really mean be open to their ignorance? And as far as 17 years go – I say so what? I don’t give a damn if it was 1700 years ago! The truth still needs to be exposed, not buried.

      Yet, is this the handwriting on the wall? Is this the method in which 9/11 Truth fades into oblivion? Equate 9/11 truth with close mindedness, accept ignorance, don’t differentiate between malicious intent and stuff just happens – forget the past and simply move forward…together.

      Ugh.

    • candlelight says:

      As far as VoiceOfArabi being an intel agent as santa implies? Who’s to say? Can santa sniff them out? On the contrary, maybe santa’s an agent, himself. Or mkey. Maybe I am. Or, even you, mbp. Maybe you’re the only manbearpig sitting at one of those many hundreds of cubicles at Fort Meade, alongside the Masons and Mormons spying away at the NSA. Maybe you’re sandwiched between santa and mkey. Maybe VOA is down the hallway, and you’re all having a good laugh. Maybe HomeRemedySupply just came back from the canteen with some coffee and doughnuts for y’all….

      Here’s a very viable quote from santa on the subject of VOA’s identity and santa’s own:

      “As to where he is from no one here knows that answer. After all, it’s just a screen name. While mine is I Shot Santa, his reindeer were simply too quick on the hoof for me to get that shot!”

      I actually love that quote. It’s a real teaser. And meanwhile, there are probably a dozen or so things I can say that are suspect of a number of subscribers commenting on these pages, but, to me it would be absurd to do so. You mentioned the Ad hominem as being a slippery path? I think accusing someone of being intel is like putting such an Ad hominem attack on steroids: Impossible to verify. Impossible to back up. Like impaling someone by pure conjecture

      • candlelight says:

        santa

        At least I’m glad of one thing. With all my closed mindedness and preconceived ideas, at least I got one thing right, right santa? You’ve been ticked. Yup. And it certainly shows. I’m sorry, man, ticked or not, I think you’ve been getting out of hand. Why do you think I call you a hypocrite? You talk about this seemingly new revelation about engaging in dialogue, listening to other’s point of views, not hitting people over the head (like you accused me of doing) if they don‘t agree with your opinion, etc., etc., and yet you don’t like stupid. You repeat that time and time, again. Stupid this, stupid that. Like it was your mantra. You trash Fawty Towers, and still justify it by calling Fawlty Towers an idiot! Why? Because when it comes to 9/11 Truth Fawtly Towers refuses to suffer fools? Especially fools like Hunter Maats? And since you don’t agree with that, and since you’re now so open minded – you trash what you don’t like? Lol I get it. You’re new form of open mindedness is thirsting for the dialogue you like, and smashing that which you don’t like, or knit picking it to death, like making some weird big deal about my kidding about Corbett’s head bobbing about.

        As far as Maats goes, I wasn’t beating him on the head, nor was I calling him out about 9/11 (although I see he spouts the official myth literally verbatim), but I was calling him out about making no distinctions between intentionality and happenstance. Understatedly, a person in his position should be held to a much higher standard than that nonsense. And, yet, meanwhile, you’re all roses with a guy who finds himself as a talking head on an alternative blog site, or whatever The Ripple Effect is, and regurgitates the official 9/11 explanation word for word. I mean, give me an effing break. To Maats I say take your blinders off, please, for once! Connect the dots!

        In the same vein, I ought to correct one of your criticisms of me: I do not espouse scaring kids with ideas of an “evil government”. Where or how you got that idea I do not know. Out of thin air you put words in my mouth. I had made no mention of evil government or of teaching 9/11 Truth to kids. You wrongly accused me of that. On the other hand, again, you seem to be all roses with a guy like Maats, and at the same time you seem to have copped this weird attitude concerning 9/11Truth. It’s almost like you’re against it. You should try rereading your posts. You might surprise yourself. It’s like you’re going all Sibel Edmonds on us regarding 9/11. You mention it’s been 17 years like it‘s been enough already! – stop pounding it in to people – stop being closed minded – rather, be open minded to other peoples’ thoughts and ideas. Or do you really mean be open to their ignorance? And as far as 17 years go – I say so what? I don’t give a damn if it was 1700 years ago! The truth still needs to be exposed, not buried.

        Yet, is this the handwriting on the wall? Is this the method in which 9/11 Truth fades into oblivion? Equate 9/11 truth with close mindedness, accept ignorance, don’t differentiate between malicious intent and stuff just happens – forget the past and simply move forward…together.

        Ugh.

      • candlelight says:

        santa

        At least I’m glad of one thing. With all my closed mindedness and preconceived ideas, at least I got one thing right, right santa? You’ve been ticked. Yup. And it certainly shows. I’m sorry, man, ticked or not, I think you’ve been getting out of hand. Why do you think I call you a hypocrite? You talk about this seemingly new revelation about engaging in dialogue, listening to other’s point of views, not hitting people over the head (like you accused me of doing) if they don‘t agree with your opinion, etc., etc., and yet you don’t like stupid. You repeat that time and time, again. Stupid this, stupid that. Like it was your mantra. You trash Fawty Towers, and still justify it by calling Fawlty Towers an idiot! Why? Because when it comes to 9/11 Truth Fawtly Towers refuses to suffer fools? Especially fools like Hunter Maats? And since you don’t agree with that, and since you’re now so open minded – you trash what you don’t like? Lol I get it. You’re new form of open mindedness is thirsting for the dialogue you like, and smashing that which you don’t like, or knit picking it to death, like making some weird big deal about my kidding about Corbett’s head bobbing about.

        As far as Maats goes, I wasn’t beating him on the head, nor was I calling him out about 9/11 (although I see he spouts the official myth literally verbatim), but I was calling him out about making no distinctions between intentionality and happenstance. Understatedly, a person in his position should be held to a much higher standard than that nonsense. And, yet, meanwhile, you’re all roses with a guy who finds himself as a talking head on an alternative blog site, or whatever The Ripple Effect is, and regurgitates the official 9/11 explanation word for word. I mean, give me an effing break. To Maats I say take your blinders off, please, for once! Connect the dots!

        In the same vein, I ought to correct one of your criticisms of me: I do not espouse scaring kids with ideas of an “evil government”. Where or how you got that idea I do not know. Out of thin air you put words in my mouth. I had made no mention of evil government or of teaching 9/11 Truth to kids. You wrongly accused me of that. On the other hand, again, you seem to be all roses with a guy like Maats, and at the same time you seem to have copped this weird attitude concerning 9/11Truth. It’s almost like you’re against it. You should try rereading your posts. You might surprise yourself. It’s like you’re going all on us regarding 9/11. You mention it’s been 17 years like it‘s been enough already! – stop pounding it in to people – stop being closed minded – rather, be open minded to other peoples’ thoughts and ideas. Or do you really mean be open to their ignorance? And as far as 17 years go – I say so what? I don’t give a damn if it was 1700 years ago! The truth still needs to be exposed, not buried.

        Yet, is this the handwriting on the wall? Is this the method in

      • candlelight says:

        mkey

        Okay, the question is, how do I get racist slur, or ethnic slur out of Drunk Arab and Drunky Arab? Can we agree that the term Arab connotes at the very least an ethnicity? Islam is by far the predominant religion of the Arab world. Would you happen to possibly know the Islamic stance on the consumption of alcohol by any small chance?

        Would you prefer to downgrade Drunky Arab from an ethnic slur to something less? How about simply calling it an extremely disparaging remark? Does that work for you? We can stretch the semantics thin enough to see right through it if that will make you happy. In fact, we can stretch it thin as a bubble’s film of soap – even if it pops. I’m okay with that.

        But, let me ask you, being a subscriber and a very frequent contributor – weekly if not daily – to the comment section of The Corbett Report, and being very familiar with James’ body of work, past and present, can you, using the furthest stretch of your imagination, imagine that James would ever address anybody in such a fashion? Has he ever in all these years?

        I think a little civility and restraint should be the order of the day, respecting his website herein.

        • candlelight says:

          santa

          At least I’m glad of one thing. With all my closed mindedness and preconceived ideas, at least I got one thing right, right santa? You’ve been ticked. Yup. And it certainly shows. I’m sorry, man, ticked or not, I think you’ve been getting out of hand. Why do you think I call you a hypocrite? You talk about this seemingly new revelation about engaging in dialogue, listening to other’s point of views, not hitting people over the head (like you accused me of doing) if they don‘t agree with your opinion, etc., etc., and yet you don’t like stupid. You repeat that time and time, again. Stupid this, stupid that. Like it was your mantra. You trash Fawty Towers, and still justify it by calling Fawlty Towers an idiot! Why? Because when it comes to 9/11 Truth Fawtly Towers refuses to suffer fools? Especially fools like Hunter Maats? And since you don’t agree with that, and since you’re now so open minded – you trash what you don’t like? Lol I get it. Your new form of open mindedness is thirsting for the dialogue you like, and smashing that which you don’t like, or knit picking it to death, like making some weird big deal about my kidding about James’ head bobbing about.

        • mkey says:

          There you go again, trying to replace substance with style and form.

          You need to connote quite a lot to equate “drunk Arab” with “Muslim whose soul might be in danger because he consumed aclohol.” But you obviously know that, because you’re doing it intentionally. I don’t think you have a leg to stand on here.

          I don’t need to stretch nor reduce anything, you’re the master on that subject. There is an extreme difference between a “racial slur” and a “disparaging remark”. My question was how you came to this conclusion and now we know. Everything else is just muddying the waters.

          The way James would address anyone has nothing to do with the matter at hand, absolutely completely unrelated. He has tools at his disposal to remove posts he finds offensive… Oh wait, since you mentioned bursting of soap bubbles, lets recall that one singular case in which I have seen James snip someone’s post (other than for reasons of excessive length and easily provable if need be, I have the original content on my email), ’twas something juicy on account of a former associate of James. Can you maybe remember that? Do you think James would have used such words on his website or elsewhere? Words “hollier than thou” sure come to mind, brother.

          Dare I also mention James on a very irregular occasion used some disparaging remarks himself? I found his depiction of Q followers quite distasteful, but I didn’t get my panties in a twist over it. I could immagine he was maybe not having the best of days so something was blurbed out and he probably payed with subscriber base reduction. Not that that should have been his reason to use his usual restraint, but it certainly proved he’s just your average Joe trying to pull himself up like the rest of us. He did owe it to himself to make a retraction in my opinion, I haven’t seen it done though.

          I don’t have a bone to pick here. People converse the way they’re going to converse and that has nothing to do with me. I’m not thought police and I respect everyone’s right to free speech just as much as I respect mine. Some things would be nicer if left unsaid, but when you put something out there, stuff happens. I try to react when I see the need and try to converse with others with civility and respect. I have given up quite a long ago on investing emotionally into other people’s fabrications and insults. In this case VoA was completely off the mark as anyone objective can witness for themselves. The akismet issue deserves some attention and that’s exactly the reason there is that link at the bottom. 90% of what he put out there on the subject had no value whatsoever.

          • candlelight says:

            mkey,

            I appreciate your respectful candor, and civility (albeit, civility replete with your patented and quantifiable cutting edge!).

            In your statement – “There is an extreme difference between a “racial slur” and a “disparaging remark”, you apparently misquoted me. Curiously enough, from my phrase “extremely disparaging remark” you deleted the adverb “extremely”. So, allow me to rephrase your statement by correctly reinserting the adverb “extremely”, and, if you will, eliminating your adjective “extreme”, and let’s see what we get:

            “There is a difference between a “racial slur” and an “extremely disparaging remark”.

            Had this been your statement, I would have agreed. Though I would have said the difference is rather negligible, one involving the intricacies of semantics, only. Or, in other words, not much of a substantial difference at all.

            Obviously you disagree. I can hear you saying once again – all form and style, no substance.

            I happen to disagree with your former statement, but, mkey, that’s what makes horse racing.

            But, one last point: For a moment, let’s take VoiceOfArabi on face value, if you can stomach it. That is to say he is an older gentleman and is ethnically an Arab. Further, let’s assume his reaction to “Drunk(Drunky)Arab”, also “Voice of Alcohol” was an honest reaction – to paraphrase, he had rhetorically replied that santa was now using the race card, exclaiming “I am a proud Arab”.

            I base my own reaction to all this not on style and form, but on what my gut tells me, and I happened to have taken VoA on face value, at least in respect to this subject. My bottom line is this: He may have made many a valueless statement, based on his own set of beliefs, fears, falsehoods(either benign or intentional – though hopefully not). Nonetheless, I don’t think he deserved to be hit below the belt like he was, nor should anyone for that matter. This in no way implies I’m not a believer in freedom of speech, nor am I a member of the thought police. It just rocked my sense of right and wrong, it angered me – yes, I was triggered. And, I literally feel better for having brought it out. I don’t mind at all our disagreement over the issue. I even appreciate your discussing it with me.

            Two other things:

            First, I don’t know the incident you are referring to wherein James made some disparaging remark to, or about someone in particular, or group of people, to the extent that you believe it would have been in his best interest to apologize.
            Although I am unaware of this incident, I would venture to go whole hog and bet the entire farm that whatever disparaging remarks James made, however low, did not involve either the person’s or group’s ethnicity or race. I would bet James’ insult(s) ran along the lines, among other things, of ideology, intellect, honesty and integrity; but, NOT race or ethnicity…. Do I loose the farm?

            Second, of course I remember getting snipped. Just your bringing it up made me laugh. If you mix a certain femme fatale movie, with the second work of fiction authored by that former associate, and the hysterical imagery conjured up by santa…. mkey, you’d have to read the novel to understand my snipped comment. Anyway, you’ll also know I immediately apologized to James for going far off the mark on an objectionable tangent.

            Further, I know you mentioned I am being holier than thou in my ramblings, and yes, I thought of that, too, how it might rightfully appear to you. Well, no more! Moving forward, I will be holding myself to a higher standard from here on out. No low blows, and no cussing!

            But, damn, that might prove difficult! 🙂

            Cheers, and thanks.

  20. Octium says:

    What Bill Gates does is certainly no accident.

    Unfortunately someone gave me be a copy of his book “The Road Ahead” back in the 90’s. They though that because I was into computers I would worship arse wipes like him.

    Well I managed to read the first one and half chapters and that’s is all I could stomach.

    Back then I didn’t know what Psychopaths were. I thought they were people who hid behind trees at night and chopped up unsuspecting passers by with an axe. I was yet to learn about corporate Psychopaths.

    The first chapter was about the power he could obtain over other people by using computers. In this case it was rigging a classroom timetable so that the girls he liked would have to be in the same class as him. I don’t think he even mentioned whether he asked them out for a date or not, I think the power of giving them no option was more important to him.

    He is pretty incompetent though when it comes to actual technology. His success comes from dirty tricks in the business world rather than making superior products or innovation.

    I think his technocratic plans have zero chance of succeeding, but the failed attempt will leave a trail of misery and destruction that is just as diabolical as his intended outcome.

    Fortunately I did see a bit of good news on the education front. The local newspaper reported an 8 percent increase in the home schooling in the last year alone. Oddly enough for a mainstream newspaper the report was fairly neutral and did not make home schoolers out to be freaks.

  21. HomeRemedySupply says:

    Akismet & Bar Fights & Spam & brutally hot summer
    SUBSCRIBER VIDEO – Comments on Comments
    Uploaded on Aug 4, 2018
    James makes some announcements about changes in the comments section and solicits ideas for improving commenting on the site.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/square-one-us-negotiating-peace-with-taliban/

  22. cook says:

    At 34:10, I just couldn’t do it anymore. Watch Corbett was cracking me up because I read his face.

  23. wall says:

    I can’t even find where VOA posted in this thread. What are you people talking about?

  24. joe.h says:

    This is the first podcast I heard with James Corbett & a Globalist in it. Even worse, a Globalist with little understanding of geopolitics and the ruling elite! lol

  25. AnimalsArentFood says:

    Hunter Maats thinks he’s good at identifying and avoiding bullshit while being a confident consumer of some of the most blatant bullshit around.
    He’s still got a lot of learning to do yet he’s fairly confident he’s got it pretty much all figured out (no doubt he would deny this).
    Pair Hunter up with someone closer to his level, like a mainstream academia fanboy, not someone like James who is so much further advanced when it comes to research, open-mindedness and common sense.
    Sorry to say it but if James is to join a podcast that includes Hunter, it should essentially be formatted with James in the teacher position and Hunter in the student position. Hunter can make statements or pose questions, then turn off his mic while James answers the questions or critiques the statements for him.
    That would be kinda silly of course, so I recommend that James simply not join podcasts with Hunter. It’s not a good use of James’ very limited time.

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