Why Technocrats LOVE The “Green New Deal”

02/16/2019164 Comments

You may have seen “Students Love Green New Deal… Until Hearing What’s In It” by now, but if not you probably get the gist just from the title. Yes, it’s one of those “man on the street” interview videos where random college students are asked whether they support new progressive superstar Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (“AOC” to those in the cool crowd) and her much-ballyhooed “Green New Deal.” And, as you also might be able to guess, the video highlights those eager young idealists who profess their love for the plan . . . until they discover what it actually says.

For those who might have missed it, the Green New Deal made headlines for all the wrong reasons earlier this month when some of its critics picked up on a few of the crazier aspects of the plan. Like the fact that the deal promises economic security to all those who are unable to work (standard fare in the modern nanny state era) and also to all those who are unwilling to work.

Unwilling to work? Really?

Scrambling to do damage control, AOC’s team immediately took down the offending post from her website, then claimed that the screenshots of the controversial language came from “doctored” documents that were being placed online by those evil right wingers . . . until it was revealed that archives of the page had been created showing that AOC had indeed posted it to her website. So then they tried to explain away the page by saying that it had only been for internal campaign use (without explaining why that should put anyone’s mind at ease).

But try as they might, AOC and her green minions can’t dismiss criticisms of their cherished “Green New Deal” as mere knee-jerk opposition from those science-denying, hate-filled Repugs. A score of self-styled leftists, Democrats, progressives and other erstwhile allies in the fight against life-giving carbon dioxide have similarly opined on the ridiculous nature of this plan, from Naomi Wolf to Howard Schultz to Queen Pelosi herself, who provides the money quote: “The green dream or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they’re for it right?”

Now there is no lack of nonsense to roll our eyes at in the proposed “Green New Deal” legislation, from “upgrading all existing buildings in the United States” to creating a zero-emission transportation network to mandating unionization of all jobs in the new green economy (all in the name of the manbearpig boogeyman, of course). But if we dismiss the “Green New Deal” as just another example of political hype or misguided pie-in-the-sky socialism, then we run the risk of missing the bigger story here. Because although this particular plan probably won’t come to fruition in the way it’s being sold, it does provide a window into our technocratic future.

Yes, the Green New Deal is the same old technocratic dream dressed in a cloak of green. The only question is whether the public are going to take this raw deal, or whether they will reject it. Get all the nitty gritty details in this week’s edition of The Corbett Report Subscriber.

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  1. n4x5 says:

    On the aspect of universal basic e̶n̶s̶l̶a̶v̶e̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ income, Joe Rogan recently had presidential candidate Andrew Yang on to discuss his proposals. Questions like affordability and inflation aside, conspicuously absent from Joe Rogan are obvious questions on the implications for society when government has the power to attach conditions to these payments, or asking if any attempt was made to determine how much of the underemployment / unemployment situation is due to other variables (central banking policies, most notably) distinct from technological job displacement.

    Not to dismiss or minimize the magnitude of the problem. It is already gigantic and likely to only worsen with time. STEM-trained people (I am one and know many others) are being affected by this as well as blue-collar-type folks.

  2. zyxzevn says:

    Doctor Bark states that around 400 children died of vaccines against measles, while only 2 died of measles.
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/mI5AOySuAlM/
    From public hearing about vaccine preventable diseases. http://www.leg.wa.gov

    The doctor has encountered many children that were affected by the injections. Around 10-15% of people have side-effects from the vaccines. This is due to the epi-genetic differences between people. The consequences can be severe, even deadly.

    This does not mean that you should not have protection against diseases (like vaccines). But it does mean that the safety standard of vaccines is very low, and this can have severe consequences.

    With the vaccine propaganda the companies try to avoid safety measures and
    responsibility. Warning: these companies are about profit, not about health.

    • brian.s says:

      IN UK on BBC radio ‘article’ on ‘vaccine disinformation’ today it was retorted that there was no balanced view (to a caller) because the science was overwhelming (the speaker didnt use the term ‘settled’) and then went on to state with leaking vitriol that measles vaccines had saved 30 million children’s lives since introduction.

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      Good catch, zyxzevn.
      I like Dr. Bark, and have seen her in other videos. She presents herself well.
      I’m glad “Cabin Fever” saved the deleted video. The corporations try desperately to control the narrative.

  3. ClintTorrez says:

    Wall Street continuing in the same vein of funding controlled opposition which Anthony S. Sutton revealed in Wall Street and the Bolshevick Revolution.-
    Wall Street is More Than Willing to Fund The Green New Deal –
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-14/wall-street-is-more-than-willing-to-fund-the-green-new-deal?utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_content=business&utm_source=twitter

  4. mkey says:

    CSIRO Lacks Empirical Proof: Senator Roberts tables climate report on the CSIRO
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwQ6BiqeBcg

    Tony Heller and Tim Ball join senator Malcolm Roberts in Australia on crazee conspiracy talk. An old video, I have only seen it today but could swear it was very current.

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      We need more Malcolm Roberts, Tony Heller and Tim Ball type people to break ranks in this world. To think this was 2014. Amazing.
      Fighting a Trillion Dollar racketeering ring. They got big cahones .

      • generalbottlewasher says:

        Oops I correct the date.2016 . of course when you call out the Roths on anything in the trillion dollar range you are not long for the world. He was found ineligible by the High court and was removed from the senate in 2017. No surprise. Wiki had the usual ” he was a conspiracy climate theorist ” bull and said nothing of his evidences to the contrary. They did a Real
        hatchet-job on him. Sad state of affairs.
        Thank you Mkey for the link.

  5. Fawlty Towers says:

    “you can’t manage what you can’t measure.” WTF?

    Yes that line is precious.
    What a deliberate slip of the tongue!
    Like the dancing Israelis saying “Our purpose was to document the event.”

    Maurice Strong, wasn’t he the father of the modern day
    straw man (cough) ‘Strong man’ argument?

  6. manbearpig says:

    Sorry to be irritating, but

    In reaction to the recommended reading “How to tell if someone is controlled opposition”

    I’ll try to explain in “an intelligent way”, “from a place of insight and with a degree of reliability” and in under 500 words why I think you’re a controlled opposition-gatekeeper Caitlin Johnstone.

    You are in the business of persuasion,

    You have this in common with Noam Chomsky who discouraged his followers from seeing anything untoward in the JFK and 9/11 phenomena, Gatekeepers being a species of controlled opposition.

    Like Chomsky, in one article you denounce the use of the term “conspiracy theorist” :

    “…The problem is not the phrase, it is the stigma that has been attached to that phrase by establishment media and establishment politicians…

    …Those who dismiss an idea by calling it a “conspiracy theory” without providing further argumentation are simply admitting to you that they have no argument, and it is right to point this out when they do it…”

    medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-largest-conspiracy-theory-peddlers-are-msm-and-the-us-state-department-81c5703d6e65

    And in another you attempt to discredit what you call “Climate deniers” (another MSM derogatory term for people who don’t buy the unscientific AGW hypothesis) by wielding the term “conspiracy buff/conspiracy enthousiast”

    “…This essay is guaranteed to get a lot of pushback from many of the conspiracy buffs who follow me, because they, unlike the Trump administration, still subscribe to the right-wing belief that anthropogenic global warming is a hoax being used by globalist elites to seize control of the world…It’s always seemed so weird to me that conspiracy enthusiasts can understand nuance in so many other fields, but not this one…”.

    medium.com/@caityjohnstone/some-thoughts-on-climate-change-b312f14c43bb

    You state that:

    “Billions of large mammals digging up fuel sources from the earth and pouring their exhaust into the air for decades will necessarily change the environment. Of course it will. This should be obvious to everyone.”

    but this is a straw man:

    “…A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent…”

    wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

    Nobody said that humans were not impacting the environment. From there to changing climate cycles, for anyone with a taste for exactitude there is a considerable difference.

    You assert with no scientific evidence that “Our planet is currently in the midst of a sixth mass extinction that is entirely the result of human ecocide.”

    whereas that statement is debunked by a man who has devoted his life to studying mass extinctions:

    theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/06/the-ends-of-the-world/529545/

    You say that “climate deniers” claim that the climate is not changing and that climate alarmism does not get traction in the media

    Who said the climate’s not changing? What media features no climate alarmism??

    Criticizing Caitlin Johnstone!? Who’s next?? Gandhi??

    • zyxzevn says:

      I found this one in the same article:
      When you enter spiritual circles concerned with enlightenment, you’ll see all sorts of debates about what teachers are really enlightened and which ones are just pretending,

      The answer is simple:
      There are no “enlightened” teachers.
      I can see dark entities around all of them, and often they try to channel them. Not many are pretending, as they believe that they are enlightened. That is because it feels “enlightened” when you are addicted to a dark entity.
      Many addicted can be found if they are talking in vague terms. Like “let it all go”, “we are all one”. This means that they have lost their energy (which includes their identity) to the dark entity.

      If you are “in your light”, almost no-one listens to you. So you can never be a teacher. People don’t listen, because they are addicted to dark things. They even push you away, because they pretend it is lesser or cheap. Money, vagueness and sacrifice are now important to them. They hang on to that, because they are hurt deep inside.

      I know exactly who is “enlightened”. They make you smile instantly. Most are children that still have full contact with life and their incarnated light. They have not yet experienced school and other punishments. They are the real enlightened teachers, but people don’t listen to them.

      • manbearpig says:

        Jeepers zyxzevn, that’s some kinda creepy stuff there: – losing your energy and your identity to dark entities!? Shivers…

        But I have to say I know exactly what you mean about those people big and small who make you smile instantly and their delicious presence stays with you whenever you think of them smiling again and again!! Fortunately I meet many of them!! And yesterday it was two people in particular:
        a breath-takingly luminous creature in the form of a highly communicative 18-month old girl who toddled speedily towards me yelling excitedly and with surprise something like “Wahoo!” when she saw me leaving the language school, wanted to do something like a “high-five” (more like a hand-to-hand Vulcan greeting) beaming at me and then trying to follow me to the bus stop. She was happiness, openess and curiosity incarnate staring at me from her father’s arms and waving until I was out of sight.
        And then there was the butcher, this tall and generously jovial guy with a chipped tooth in his 50s I’d say, who seemed to have been helicoptered down into his shop amongst an otherwise hopelessly dour population, cracking silly jokes and teasing everyone around him making his colleagues and customers laugh and roll their eyes and shake their heads, smiling…
        Like my sister could make anyone laugh, anytime…

        • zyxzevn says:

          Don’t worry about the Jeepers.
          While the problem is large, people usually get out of it after a while.

          I help people with psychosis and depressions,
          via mediation and self-healing. It really works well.
          That is because I am partially telepathic and can help
          them distinguish themselves from their problems.

          Sadly, these people get more in trouble due to the “enlightened” ones. It makes them go away from themselves. That is probably why I made it seem dramatic. But they also get problems due to medication (or drugs) and other official therapies. And that is because the theories about consciousness are completely wrong.

          Any basic help and rest is always good.
          And dogs or other pets 😉

          • manbearpig says:

            many thanks for your reply!

            “…distinguish themselves from their problems.”

            so important when attempting to teach to a large and various public in different settings…teaching (not a vocation in my case) taught me how to do this to a certain degree at least, among other things…

            “…It makes them go away from themselves…”

            this is an interesting formulation of something I see a lot as well, just in group dynamics that pains me for some reason…

            “Any basic help and rest is always good.
            And dogs or other pets”

            a hairless toothless cat who’s convinced he’s a dog…

            and does a round dry burgundy wine count as basic help?

    • manbearpig says:

      Well, I was thinking it would probably be less cowardly and more constructive to post (an improved version) of this sort of message directly on Caitlin Johnstone’s site so she could set me straight but then I read the message at the top of her comments page that earned exclusive “applause” from Ms Johnstone herself and realized I’d be blocked immediately with the site-owner’s blessing:

      “Applause from Caitlin Johnstone (author)
      Kristy
      Feb 11
      It always kinda creeps me out when we’re on the same page at the same time. Again. And also, someone once told me (aggressively) that you were controlled opposition. I laughed really hard and then blocked them immediately.”

      Thunderous applause…

      ??

      …Maybe Steemit?

      • mkey says:

        Maybe leave a can of WD-40 on her doorstep.

        • manbearpig says:

          or a bottle of organic prune juice?

          • mkey says:

            I know what I’m talking about (rusty gate – rust dissolver), what are you talking about? Constipation?

            • manbearpig says:

              Well, I mean…um…Early this morning, before my first caffeine injection I thought the subject was, er, lubrification, or uh…that is to say…getting unblocked…?

              Woops! Here’s my stop…

              Sent from my creaky old Huawei phone…

              • manbearpig says:

                Rusty gate…

                I thought you meant like watergate or something.

                …with a little metal thrown in…

                …all hinges on whether you mean the hotel or the profession, I guess…

                …nevermind.

                coulda been a baseball player too:

                Rusty Gate’s steppin’ up to the plate and….

                A Curve Ball! Strike three! I’m out!!

              • mkey says:

                Gatekeeper, rusty gate, WD-40… gonna fix that gate for ya, you gatekeeper you.

              • manbearpig says:

                so you meant the profession.

                You know what they say about flattery…

              • mkey says:

                A man who flatters his neighbor spreads a net for his feet?

              • manbearpig says:

                that must be the Croation version.

                But the net effect is the same in any country.

              • mkey says:

                That one is actually biblical. A local one would be: there are two things flattering man’s nature, virtue of his own and indecorum of someone else’s wife.

              • manbearpig says:

                unless his own wife’s complicit in said indecorum…

              • mkey says:

                Oh, she is, of course.

              • manbearpig says:

                now I better understand why Croatia’s such a vacation hotspot these days.

              • mkey says:

                Mmmm, that isn’t why. The why comes in form of completely botched Greek and Turkish tourist seasons. Thanks to a steady increase during the past few years many went all in on tourism, which led to high visitors count this past summer but also relatively low occupancy rates.

                In other words, as soon as Greeks and Turks rebound, people here will be forced to slash prices. Those who went into debt will probably be in a tight spot. Which, combined with the fact this failed state has the highest participation of tourism related profits in its GPD of all EU failed states, is bound to increase aforementioned indecorous conduct.

              • manbearpig says:

                Welcome to the EU! Do like New Jersey; bet on casinos! (what’s your stormwater system like?)

              • manbearpig says:

                oops. I see you’ve already tried that…

                https://www.tripadvisor.co.za/Attractions-g294454-Activities-c53-Zagreb_Central_Croatia.html

                I’m mulling this over…

                in the meantime I’ll cancel my cruise to Istanbul and Santorini…

                and now I’m laaaaaaaaaaaaaaate Again!!! As usual!!!

              • mkey says:

                Most of our storm water collector systems have been built by Austrians and the Huns some centuries back. Those that still work, that is. Modern systems stuff up quickly and we do get a flood or two now and again.

      • manbearpig says:

        ERRATUM:

        The comment I cited above as being from Caitlin Johnstone’s website is in fact from the Medium publishing platform where her articles are posted.

        The first comment on that website was rewarded with author Caitlin Johnstone’s applause.

        Caitlin Johnstone has her own website and for the moment the first comment on her comments board is one refuting her thesis that one cannot know if a pundit is controlled opposition.

        “…So, first you tell us “I’ve therefore had to find my own way to navigate this confusing landscape”, and then say “How do I separate the fool’s gold from the genuine article? The shit from the Shinola? Here is my answer: I don’t.”?

        Surely you jest! May I suggest an alternative navigation process?

        I have one very simple and reliable test that I apply to the words I read or hear coming from given individuals: Do they reflect or support any aspect of the general war propaganda or other prevalent propaganda/misinformation narratives of the corporate state? If the answer to that question is yes – and this should be readily apparent to any reasonably intelligent, reasonably well informed individual – then in that specific case at least, this individual is serving as a propagandist for the corporate empire.

        Cut and dried. Dead. Fucking. Simple.

        Does this mean that the individual in question is a witting, paid agent of the empire? Not necessarily…”

        By this commenter’s personal BS barometer one might wonder: is anthropogenic climate change a prevalent propaganda/misinformation narrative?

  7. scpat says:

    Microsoft’s AI can measure, catalogue and analyze every tree in the “hundred of millions of acres of forests in the United States?” because, as the “AI For Earth Grantee” featured in the video helpfully explains, “you can’t manage what you can’t measure.” WTF?

    James, why would businesses not want to have the most possible data available to them in order to make informed decisions? Forestry is a lot like farming crops. You want to best understand the health of the crop and the aspects that need to be addressed in order to produce the most food and make the most money. The same can said about timber harvesting, and most other industries.

    Where I see the problem with AI, smart grid, etc. is when it is turned against people. When governments use this technology to catalogue and database aspects of human beings then it is an entirely different situation.

    • Fawlty Towers says:

      You need to be able to separate the business from the ethical lens here.

      Just because a business can/wants to map everything possible in their business domain does not mean they should be able to.

      So business A is a forestry business and wants to map every single tree.
      So business B is a farming business and wants to map every single plant.
      So business C is a fishing business and wants to map every single fish.
      So business D is an insect business and wants to map every single insect.

      Don’t you see where this quickly leads?

      Well you let business X map all in their business, why can’t my business do the same?

      • scpat says:

        They should not be able to? Is the government supposed to forcefully stop a company from mapping its resources on its own property?

        Businesses collect information about their operations in everything that they do. That’s the only way they can possibly know where to allocate their resources in the future. But, if I understand your objection correctly, you believe that at some point in the process of gathering information on owned resources, a company should stop collecting information once they reach a certain level? They should not be able to understand too much about their owned resources because that would have ethical implications?

        • Fawlty Towers says:

          No, I’m talking about business A that’s in the forestry business.
          They don’t have land they own. They are hired to cut down trees anywhere someone with land asks them to.

          They are able to get the latest mapping technology that can be mounted on drones and flown over any entire state or larger.

          I learned a long time ago that it is legal to hover/fly over a piece of land and not be charged with trespassing.

          It costs them relatively little money to implement this technology.
          Should they be allowed to do it simply because they can?

          Can’t you see the forest from the trees here?

          • scpat says:

            I do appreciate your pun at the end. Very fitting.

            My point is that owners of land have the right to use this technology on their own property if it does not violate the rights or privacy of others. Do you disagree with this?

            • Fawlty Towers says:

              You didn’t read my post carefully.

              “I learned a long time ago that it is legal to hover/fly over a piece of land and not be charged with trespassing.”

              So you don’t have to own the land to map it!

              Think Google mapping every city in the world.

              Now think of Company XYZ mapping every tree, insect, whatever,… in the world.

              Imagine…

              • scpat says:

                No. I don’t think you understand what this technology does. We aren’t talking about satellite imagery like Google Maps.

                You are correct; the company that owns the AI does not do need to own the land to map it, but the landowner pays the AI company to collect data on the land. It is still a contract between the AI company and the landowner. This technology is used to understand the height, diameter, density, etc of trees to be harvested or managed on land specifically for timber harvesting or managing! That is what this tech is used for. Not for gathering data on someone’s trees in their backyard without their permission. You have to think about why a company would even be interested in doing that. They wouldn’t.

              • Fawlty Towers says:

                I hear ya’ and get what you are saying.

                You’re thinking of the genteel way of doing business.

                I’m thinking of TPTB/BIG business, going about their nefarious ways for entirely different motives, devoid of any moral compass.

              • scpat says:

                Gotcha. I can imagine that possibility in the future. Scary to think of the totalitarian world that could be constructed with tech. In a way we are already there. Just look at China.

              • FIW says:

                “..No. I don’t think you understand what this technology does. We aren’t talking about satellite imagery like Google Maps.

                You are correct; the company that owns the AI does not do need to own the land to map it, but the landowner pays the AI company to collect data on the land. It is still a contract between the AI company and the landowner. This technology is used to understand the height, diameter, density, etc of trees to be harvested or managed on land specifically for timber harvesting or managing! That is what this tech is used for. Not for gathering data on someone’s trees in their backyard without their permission. You have to think about why a company would even be interested in doing that. They wouldn’t…”

                This is exactly the common denominator I see for all of this high tech clap trap. It really isn’t needed, it’s yet another parasitic layer of society to make the gap between needers of ressources and the ressources even bigger, it serves only to enrichen and empower the owners of it on the back of the real economy, nobody really wants it so it has to be implemented through inventing a need for it.

                It’s a bit like the employers, the unemployed and the recruitment companies. Before one could go directly to the head to find a job, then these HR people made themselves indispensable by driving a wedge between applicant and employer, now, you can’t get around them if you want a job.

        • HomeRemedySupply says:

          2016 January article in “Modern Farmer”…
          Luddites, Beware: These 5 Livestock Wearables Are the Future
          https://modernfarmer.com/2016/01/wearable-devices-livestock/

          Are human herds next?
          Oh!
          I forgot. We were first with our phones and Google and Facebook and….

          • manbearpig says:

            biometrics taken as early as possible.

            I feel more and more like I’m living in a Hieronymus Bosch painting…

            religion soaked psycho-analytical representations that paradoxically stand out as the nauseating heights of senseless materialism that outdo any Hollywood apocalyptic zombie virus movie…

            From the horse’s mouth:

            “…The grotesque figures aren’t just inflicting pain; they’re gambling with their victims…”

            “…the souls are being driven mad by fear, anxiety, chaos and distress”…

            …‘subverts and perverts’ the theme of courtly love, with “‘love fruit’, a traditional metaphor for amorous union, both religious and worldly, now transformed into a hellish prison”.

            “If you ate bread from the wrong baker… limbs would rot away while the mind would be addled by hallucinations, ultimately leading to insanity…”

            “…We have bored a few holes through the door of the locked room; but somehow we do not seem to have discovered the key”…

            http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160809-hidden-meanings-in-the-garden-of-earthly-delights

            stiflingly tantalizing…

            • manbearpig says:

              (at the risk of repeating myself)

              For some reason, when viewing these Bosch images, this comes to mind:

              scroll down to the last video on the page. Have some pepto bismol and a bucket nearby, (better safe than sorry)…:

              https://medium.com/wedonthavetime/the-rebellion-has-begun-d1bffe31d3b5

              • manbearpig says:

                Ok. ok, My bad. I thought the contents of the above link was the top most disgusting display of manipulative pseudo-science on the net.

                But that’s ’cause I hadn’t yet read this:

                https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/what-deniers-climate-change-and-racism-share/579190/

                Talk about a toxic cloud of nonsensical garbage spoken from the high pulpit of utter ignorance and/or diabolical deceit:

                Complete with apocalyptic visions of billowing water vapor being copiously pumped into the atmosphere…

                (not that I’m a fan of nuclear waste or anything…)

              • mkey says:

                I’ll go ask a treined researcher of assology whether this pile of feces came from a bull or a steer.

              • FIW says:

                Oh who would have thunk it, now “non believers” of the climate hype are also racists, because this is actually what the article says isn’t it? People who deny climate change also deny racism and, of course, all verified by some scholar with some pointless pseudo science degree.

                The funny thing is that he’s actually describing the climate movement, look:

                “…..The effect: Science becomes belief. Belief becomes science. Everything becomes nothing. Nothing becomes everything. All can believe and disbelieve all. We all can know everything and know nothing. Everyone lives as an expert on every subject. No experts live on any subject. Years of intense and specialized training and research and reflection are abandoned, like poor Latino immigrants, like the poor body of our planet…..”

                This is exactly how their camp works.

                And:

                “..Instead of science, they hunt for signs..”

                Yeah! Look at the fortune teller telling people off while desperately looking for signs of a connection between racism and “denial” in his crystal ball. What he calls signs are factual measurements of of the real world….how do you fight this kind of double loop denial?

                So, this guy has already taken it one step higher by dividing us into racists and deniers (that would be us) and enviromentalists and anti racists (the enlightened who believes in the settled science) and only the latter should be allowed access to government….I need a bucket!

                Actually this trash is written in the spirit and language of the doctrine of that behevioral psychologist who’s mentioned in the Thunberg Article.

    • Fawlty Towers says:

      Business Y develops this machine that can see through walls and roofs of houses/buildings.
      Kind of like the technology used in the scanners at airports.

      They mount their machines on drones and have them hover around cities worldwide, mapping various behaviors of people.
      They’re doing this strictly for research purposes, to establish a database.

      What could possibly go wrong with this?

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      Fawlty and Scpat. You both are talking a good accurate line here. I would like to share a personal experience that proved to me what I believe the TPTSB do and have done in the past and are still doing today. My eyes got more than I wanted to see when I saw the materials of a professional manager for the NGOs that catalog every meter of land , in his case two very resource rich countries were his to control, for lack of a better understanding. One 2nd and one 3rd world country. He was acutely vague when I asked the gullible questions a normal person would. He was clearer on who in the political power structure that he liaisons with. You can imagine correctly they are feted psychopaths. Every thing, animal, vegetable and mineral was inventoried and everyone who had access to the taking of that inventory. That’s were we split the sheets on what and how control was applied. Just one bigger criminal over all the littler criminals. This anecdotal story is true and caused me a lot of stress to know what a little monster this guy is. Fair or moral was not part of it. He was recruited out of east seaboard small school in 2005 , Environmental Sustainability. I can say I know a Green NAZI of the first order.
      As you two are probibly aware, if the public unveiling of the new technology is today, i.e. superbowl ad, that it has been in use for 20+ years. I can tell you the detail of what was cataloged is unbelievable . I saw proof of that in 2011. It is funded by the best of the worst of the U.N. and Rockefeller brothers, which I know is redundant.

      • Fawlty Towers says:

        Thanks gbw for the anecdote. Not surprising in the least, unfortunately. 🙁

  8. AnimalsArentFood says:

    Honestly, if I didn’t know about the technocrats and some of the other evil things they’re involved in (or permitting), I’d be in favor of all three of those goals. And it doesn’t sound like those kids know about the technocrats.

  9. wda says:

    > the fight against life-giving carbon dioxide
    fight against LIFE-GIVING carbon dioxide, yes, it is indeed, same as someone drowning would fight the LIFE-GIVING water.

    RECTIFY THE LANGUAGE!

    “When Confucius was asked what would be the first thing he would do if he were to lead the state … he said, rectify the language. This is wise. This is subtle. As societies grow decadent, the language grows decadent, too. Words are used to disguise, not to illuminate, action …” — Gore Vidal, “The Day the American Empire Ran Out of Gas” in The Nation, Jan. 11, 1986

  10. NES says:

    I didn’t know you were a right-wing conspiracy theorist, James. All this time I just thought you were providing supported, researchable information gathered in an open source format contributed to, researched and supported by a worldwide audience. OMG, you conspiracy DOG!

    I had a look at the link you provided in that vein to see what was stated about your work being conspiratorial. I had to laugh, very heartily I might add. OMG are those who create and support the “Fact Check” site crazy or just plain stupid? NO! Just biased, as their very own site states out right. Apparently, if you are not busily supporting the ugly self-professed political Left then you are an ugly self-professed Right winger in their lexicon. Didn’t know that. WTF–Extremists. They occupy absolutely NO middle ground in their thinking–if you can call the poison they spew thinking.

    A friend once said that extremists will always be extremists. One day they are far Left. The next they go far Right. The only constant is that they will always be extremists wherever they land. (He was Navy Intel.)

  11. HomeRemedySupply says:

    The Coming Recession / Economic Crisis
    What better excuse to implement technocratic control.

    It is my opinion that we are due for an economic crisis.
    When?
    I dunno. But the indicators are there.
    For example: Mike Maloney and others often show charts with previous recessions following a rise in economic indicators. Charts always have rises and valleys, never a continuous ride up.

    I feel like all this craziness that we see revolving around global warming, free guaranteed incomes, and other controls are to groove us in, to get our mindset focused towards “The Solutions by the Technocratic Elite”.
    They just need a global crisis.
    Wars are so old hat.
    Hit everyone’s pocketbook. That will get their attention. They’ll beg for “solutions”.

    This was an interesting interview…
    ‘When the next recession comes there is going to be a lot of turmoil,’ says Jeffrey Gundlach
    Jeffrey Gundlach CEO of Doubleline Capital discusses risk factors for investors including corporate debt, national debt, bond maturity and the next recession.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsSo1rTqMdc

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      Homey, Gundlach is plain spoken. He said a lot in plain English.👍
      I must be getting old. I understood what he was saying.

    • FIW says:

      “…..I feel like all this craziness that we see revolving around global warming, free guaranteed incomes, and other controls are to groove us in, to get our mindset focused towards “The Solutions by the Technocratic Elite”.
      They just need a global crisis.
      Wars are so old hat.
      Hit everyone’s pocketbook. That will get their attention. They’ll beg for “solutions”……”

      Yes, I believe you’re right. Maybe their plans didn’t start out that way, but at the moment it seems that “good old fashioned” war is a tool to be used in “3rd world” countries only while they wield the more sofisticated part of the tool box on us. Mind you, economic crisis has always been their basic pillar no matter what the final outcome was, Conjuring Hitler and Operation Hammerhead…or was it Eagle?…comes to mind. They enjoy the privilege of flexibility while we take time to catch up since we’re stumbling around in the dark world of ignorance, I have no words for how much it p….. me off!

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      Here is the transcript of “‘When the next recession comes there is going to be a lot of turmoil,’ says Jeffrey Gundlach”.
      (Sometimes, I digest better with written transcripts.)
      https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-gundlach-interview-yahoo-finance-transcript-195148936.html

      There is a link within the article to more video conversation in the interview with bond king Jeffrey Gundlach continued.
      He spoke about the outlook for the market, cannabis, Facebook, art, recruiting talent, how he finds market-beating trades, and the 2020 presidential election among other things (such as millennials getting screwed by the system, while baby boomers in general have come out better).

      Jeffrey attends dinners/meetings with ‘Titans’ and finds out what they feel is going to happen.

      Gundlach had called the 2008 crash.
      He feels like we are in a Bear Market.
      What he thinks will happen…
      “…So yeah, I think something along those lines (2008) is going to happen, but it’s not going to be in the securitized markets. It’s going to be in the market that’s mis-rated today. When you’re looking for distressed opportunities in fixed income, the best ones come from things that are mis-rate going into the problem, because the people that buy investment-grade corporate bonds are looking for safety….”

      • HomeRemedySupply says:

        “I get invited to all the time, groupthink events,” Gundlach shared. “They call them Titans’ Dinners and stuff like this. And all these hotshots are there. All these names of people that we all know in this business. And they’ll be there, and you can sit there, and people share ideas.”

        Despite the fact that these exclusive events are exclusive and include influential players in the market, Gundlach questions the opportunities discussed.
        https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-gundlach-investment-process-205155759.html

  12. FIW says:

    Thank you very much James!

    Finally it’s out into the open and together with the not so green not at all new deal, 2 ugly grim reapers with one stone 🙂

    I sincerely hope it’ll become known far and wide before April, which is when they plan a propaganda overdrive attack everywhere. As if we weren’t swimming in it already, they’re set to flood us completely…they always have to ruin the spring, the nicest time of year.

  13. revan says:

    About the Microsoft Super Bowl commercial. I am wondering why a company buys the most exspensive commercial broadcasting time to tell the viewer they make a product nobody of the viewers will ever use. Perhaps a tiny view, but is this a good way, and good use of company money, to advertise?
    Is it, we make products, you know, the stuff you have on your home computer, but, look here, we also make some great things. For your great governement or their related organisations that take care of your environment. That will be the day. We can control nature thanks to Microsoft software. That is bad news, definitely.
    Most likely the person that sells this commercial time knows the person at Microsoft that buys the time and they have a kind of a bargain that brings profit to both and they are the only ones. I see nobody else that has any advantage of this affaire.

  14. FIW says:

    Well, part 5, of the wrongkindofgreen article is out. It itself will be divided into 2 parts. I think James used this part to cast light on the so called green new deal, however, I recommend reading it anyway. Christiana Figueres keeps popping up, nothing new there, but one name I found particularly interesting is this: Børge Brende, former Norwegian prime minister, another Scandinavian player and one with quite a record as can be read in this article to which part 5 links. This guy is linked to Ukraine. I think that the Scandinavian players are often overlooked, bear in mind that the slimy former secretary of Nato, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, was a close friend of Bush. Not to mention the present one, the trail constantly leads to Scandinavia.

    https://steigan.no/2017/09/borge-brende-far-sin-lonn-i-davos/

    Run it through a translator, it’s quite interesting, people like these are running this new deal for nature. It’s funny actually how the Norwegians have always been more alert, I don’t think you would find an article like this on a Swedish or a Danish website, but then again they were the only Scandinavian country to actually fight the Nazis from day one, now that they are back, who knows. Anyway, that was just a side comment.
    Apart from the usual creeps, corporations like Coca Cola, Volvo, Nestle etc. are mentioned in what I can only describe as a web of “new deals” and what have you behind the new green deal that AOC, of course, never came up with in the first place. I will not pretend to understand the whole connection, it’s a myriad of NGO’s and marketing names that requires close reading more than once, at least for me who was never the sharpest knife in the drawer 🙂

    The point is, of course, in short, to take everythig away from us, manage it, and sell it back to us through the use of technology:

    “..The implementation of the Green New Deal will lay the groundwork for payments for ecosystem services (PES). This will create the most spectacular opportunity for monetary gain that the financial sector has ever witnessed. New markets offer speculation that promises unimaginable profits. The commodification of most everything sacred, the privatization and objectification of all biodiversity and living things that are immeasurable, above and beyond monetary measure, will be unparalleled, irreversible and inescapable.

    In order to manufacture consent from the populace, those rolling out a “new deal for nature” are utilizing the power of holistic language. They are strategically exploiting the very real contempt that we, the public have for externalities (pollution, etc.) – only to sell the financialization of nature back to us as a society. This is very much the same method we witness today as the power elites masterfully exploit the discontent of the youth and the population at large..”

    It is nothing short of a new medieval in which these self appointed leaders will be the new kings and queens and will own and govern everything and we the peasentry will have to buy our way to a microscopic piece of the cake or perish. I see a parallel to the push for driverless cars and electric vehicles by which they make it impossible first to own a car and then take away our right to drive one all together, then even the mobility we now take for granted will be owned by them.

    Could somebody please pinch me and tell me that it was all just a nightmare and that I’m back in the 80s again or any old year before the dreaded new millenium!!

  15. manbearpig says:

    More Carbon Eugenics?

    Greta Thunberg has oft been cited for her ancestor Svante Arrhenius whose findings led to the conclusion that human-made carbon dioxide emissions cause global warming…”:

    What I hadn’t discovered until this morning was Arrhenius’ pronounced bent for eugenics:

    “…Arrhenius involved himself in the eugenics movement by joining the Swedish Society for Racial Hygiene, a group focused on researching and promoting the benefits of controlled reproduction in humans (Broberg & Roll-Hansen, 2005). This society was formed in 1909 in an attempt to popularize eugenics and encourage policy changes to promote eugenics (Bjorkman & Widmalm, 2010).

    Arrhenius was not only a member; he was on the board for the society (Broberg & Roll-Hansen, 2005). The society gave lectures and handed out pro-eugenic pamphlets to the public, but because it was illegal for them to discuss any method of birth control, the group was thought to have limited influence overall (Broberg & Roll-Hansen, 2005)…”

    http://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/tree/531b4346132156674b0001ed

    Besides that he was very active with the Nobel activities and prizes:

    Arrhenius was a member of the Nobel Committee for Physics of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences from 1901 to 1927, and he had a decisive influence on the awarding of Nobel Prizes in physics and chemistry during most of that period. He also participated in drawing up the statutes of the Nobel Foundation (1900).

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Svante-Arrhenius

    He had got an invitation to a professorship in Berlin, and the Academy of Sciences then decided (1905) to start a Nobel Institute for Physical Chemistry with Arrhenius as its chief.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/1903/arrhenius/biographical/

    As an advisor to government he was also a staunch internationalist.

    • FIW says:

      I knew that he was behind the man made global warming theory, but his links to eugenicist movements were unknown to me. Thank you very much manbearpig

      • manbearpig says:

        My pleasure FIW. Thank you very much for yours. I’ll have a look at it as soon as I get home from work!

        • CQ says:

          FIW and mbp, I tip my hat to you both for dredging up truly valuable facts about the manufacturers of the climate change phobia, who are also exploiters of children and manipulators of the public. Keep up the excellent research.

          • generalbottlewasher says:

            CQ: I was looking for the appropriate place for this .
            F-IW and MBP I hope your inner ManBearPig can give this its proper retorttre that it needs.
            Tony Heller has a flare for finding the satire and using it effectively. Whose side is using this child?

            https://youtu.be/jRqQrVqQSOg

            • CQ says:

              gbw, you did indeed find the perfect place — right under my comment about exploiting children.

              Well, IMHO, this video isn’t taking advantage of Mini AOC’s innocence, because she isn’t being used to perpetuate a lie that she thinks is the truth. She’s clearly getting a kick out of sticking it to the politician she’s parodying. I hope this smart-as-a-whip girl hits the comedy circuit. She could single-handedly sink the entire climate change charade. Maybe Greta will wise up and join Mini AOC’s stand-up show!

              Brilliant discovery, gbw. Please make sure James sees this when he returns from his vacation (I’m going into withdrawal already, are you?) so he can consider making it a “Just For Fun” Recommendation for his members to see.

              Also, I hope there are other ways to ensure that this lass and her message reach the masses — well beyond Tony Heller’s subscriber base. Anyone got any ideas for helping the video go viral?

  16. FIW says:

    Came across another thread focusing on the Greenies’ use of kids, in it there are several interesting links about Thunberg’s rise to fame and other stuff. Glad to see that guys like Rentzhog are starting to get the (right) attention.

    https://climatelessons.blogspot.com/2019/02/input-relentless-climate-scaremongering.html

  17. manbearpig says:

    For those who don’t know him yet;

    May I introduce you to Fritz Haber:

    “…He lived in a fascinating era of new scientific ideas, as his friend and fellow Jew, Albert Einstein was publishing revolutionary theories of relativity.

    But the mild-mannered “Dr. Jekyl” was turned into “Mr. Hyde” with the advent of World War I.

    Haber was no pacifist. The chemist openly and proudly offered his position and laboratories at the prestigious Berlin University to the German war machine, rolled up his own sleeves and developed chemical weapons such as chlorine gas, nerve gas and tear gas.

    Haber’s work led to the development of yet another poison: cyanide and the infamous Zyklon B.

    Soon, he was chief of Germany’s Chemical Warfare Service, and he personally supervised his work on the fields of war.

    On April 22, 1914, Captain Haber was decked out in military uniform and on the German front lines at Ypres, Belgium, directing the first poison gas attack in military history, as 167 tons of chlorine blew across Flanders fields killing 1,000.

    Two days later, with favorable winds, Haber’s corps released more poison gas, this time killing 4,000 in one fell swoop…”

    duhaime.org/LawMag/LawArticle-1094/Fritz-Haber-War-Criminal.aspx

    So WHY do I post this here and not on the WW1 comments board? Because

    “…Haber then undertook the work on the fixation of nitrogen from the air for which he was given the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for 1918 (awarded in 1919)…

    nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/1918/haber/facts/

    And Greta Thunberg’s ancestor Svante “Arrhenius

    was a member of the Nobel Committee for Physics of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences from 1901 to 1927, and he had a decisive influence on the awarding of Nobel Prizes in physics and chemistry during most of that period…”

    !!

    britannica.com/biography/Svante-Arrhenius

    Paradoxically,

    “…His was the first generation of German Jews to be welcomed into wider society. In Kaiser Wilhelm’s Germany, Jews had social mobility…”

    medium.com/the-mission/the-tragedy-of-fritz-haber-the-monster-who-fed-the-world-ec19a9834f74

    • manbearpig says:

      “…Member of the Supervisory Board of the military-industrial group IG Farben since its creation in 1925…he [Fritz Haber] was also interested in pesticides and his research enabled Leonid Andrussow to develop the Andrussow process used to industrially manufacture Zyklon B, a product initially designed as an insecticide to disinfect ship holds and which was used by the Nazis years later in gas chambers in extermination camps…”

      fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haber

      DeepL.com/Translator

      Strangely you will find no trace of the name “I.G. Farben” on the English-language version of his Wikipedia page. The above was translated from the French Wikipedia page.

      According to another French page that cannot be copy/pasted, working for BASF when those six chemical dye companies created a cartel Haber had met and had some degree of collaboration with Carl Duisberg.

      “…Fritz Haber et Carl Duisberg furent ainsi fortement intoxiqués à la suite de certains de ces essais…

      guerredesgaz.fr/lesgaz/Etudes/Etudes.htm

      Haber’s wife, son and grand-daughter all committed suicide.

      • manbearpig says:

        More info about Fritz Haber’s collaboration with Carl Duisberg even before the creation of I.G.Farben:

        “…At the same time, Carl Duisberg, in collaboration with Fritz Haber, developed toxic gases (mustard gas, Green Cross) tested for the first time on the front and used them massively, knowingly violating the Hague Conventions on war on land. Duisberg was quick to praise death by chemical intoxication: “The opponents have no way of knowing what danger they are in on a field sprayed with product, and remain quietly on their stomachs until the symptoms appear. “In Leverkusen a school specialising in gas warfare was opened. At the end of the conflict, Duisberg and Haber were on the Allies’ wanted lists and feared being charged with war crimes…”

        Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator

        http://www.cbgnetwork.org/4069.html

        • manbearpig says:

          Well at least we have confirmation that Fritz Haber and Greta Thunberg’s ancestor Svante Arrhenius were corresponding.

          And thus it’s reasonable to assume that Greta Thunberg’s ancestor awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry to the father of Chemical Warfare and the inventor of Zyklon B:

          Book Reviews
          Twentieth Century

          Review by Robert J. Deltete

          Fritz Haber in seiner Korrespondenz mit Wilhelm Ostwald sowie in Briefen an Svante Arrhenius by Regine Zott

          Fritz Haber in his correspondence with Wilhelm Ostwald and in letters to Svante Arrhenius by Regine Zott

          ERS – Publisher – Berlin
          1997

          “…It is Haber’s letters and story that are the focus of Zott’s book. Indeed most of the letters in her work are from Haber to others…11 [of them] (between 1911 and 1924) are to Arrhenius…”

          https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/384127?journalCode=isis

          For what it’s worth…

          • manbearpig says:

            Just the cherry on my Saturday site-surfing cake:

            From “Nationalism and Internationalism in Science, 1880 – 1939 Four Studies in the Nobel Population” by Elizabeth Crawford

            “…In his memoires Friedrich Schmidt-Ott relates that he traveled to Sweden in the summer of 1910 to seek Arrhenius’ advice on whom to appoint as director of the [Kaiser Wilhelm] institute which was founded the following year.

            Arrhenius strongly advised Schmidt-Ott to offer Haber the directorship.

            They almost certainly also discussed Haber’s chances for the Nobel Prize inasmuch as the Nobel Committee for Chemistry was then deliberating which of several competing methods for the industrial production of nitrogenous fertilizers would be proposed for an award…

            Haber’s appointment benefitted Arrhenius whose rift with Walter Nernst had deprived him of a listening post at the Chemical Institute at the University of Berlin.

            The role of intelligence gatherer who provided information useful in the selection of Nobel Prize winners fell to Haber and his institute where Arrhenius became a frequent visitor…”

            https://books.google.fr/books?id=hq7bOBG6YSgC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=committee+members+of+ibid+svante+arrhenius&source=bl&ots=Xjz8pYlNc2&sig=ACfU3U2CRQVrKiXCXs5YNU3-zS15Ku9fyA&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBxdCqkNLgAhUyxoUKHZb0AYcQ6AEwBXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=fritz%20haber&f=false

            So, beyond mere correspondance, one might even speak of collaboration between Greta Thunberg’s ancestor Svante Arrhenius and Fritz Haber, father of chemical warfare and Zyklon B at the Rockefeller funded Kaiser Wilhelm Institute…

            • manbearpig says:

              Finally, several generations later, Arrhenius’ distant descendant, teen-ager Greta Thunberg has today become the mascot on the AGW battle-flag joining the IPCC in the IgNobel World War against Science itself, genociding Climatology

              witting and unwitting accomplices to the Carbon-Eugenics agenda fought by Greta’s ancestor.

              The End.

              • HomeRemedySupply says:

                Damn! That was interesting.
                This chemical guy, Fritz Haber, really messed up a lot of lives.
                The Nobel Prize?! Even today, synthetic fertilizer is ruining the planet.

          • FIW says:

            It’s very rare that I can’t get access to a site, but this time it seems that I can’t get in. Are the said letters actually there and readable? it would be most interesting!

            So, we have Arrhenius in contact with, possibly even abetting the carreer and research of Fritz Haber who again is not only the father of chemical warfare, but also connected to people like Ostwald and Carl Duisburg who lead us straight into the WWII nazi camp, have I got this more or less right?

            That eugenicsarchive is awesome by the way

          • FIW says:

            That German book I think could be very interesting to read, have you seen the list of contents?

            Inhaltsverzeichnis
            Summary 6
            Übersicht über die edierten Briefe und Briefausschnitte 7
            Vorwort 9
            Biographischer Überblick zu Wilhelm Ostwald 15
            Biographischer Überblick zu Svante Arrhenius 16
            Biographischer Überblick zu Fritz Haber 18
            Über einige Beziehungen von Haber zu Ostwald, Nernst und Arrhenius
            1.
            Und doch war Habers Aufenthalt bei Ostwald vorgesehen 21
            2.
            Haber und Ostwald: Leistung, Charakter, Wesen 24
            3.
            Zum Verhältnis von Haber zu Nernst und Arrhenius 29
            Briefe 34
            Verzeichnis der Abkürzungen 98
            Namensregister

            Page 21-34: Fritz Haber’s connections (Beziehungen) to Ostwald, Nernst and Arrhenius and on page 29 the connection/relations with Arrhenius in particular, and the letters should be in there too. I can’t help but to feel a bit excited here. And one more thing that comes to mind: Greta’s mother is supposed to have published a book, I wonder how many of Arrhenius’ viewpoints that could be found in there?

      • mkey says:

        IG Farben doens’t translate well into English. So they just omit it.

        I do love these sites that “prevent” copying. At least on my end, right click menu has been blocked, but you can still use CTRL+C to copy text off, making this one of the poorest copy prevention schemes to date that I “defeated”.

        There are several methods to this madness of people who don’t seem to understand the nature of information provided over the internet. Some quite ingenious and determined.

        Two simplest ways to circumvent these measures is to use the developer tools (F12 key, which, if blocked, can also be toggled through the browser menu) to access the actual text content or to block javascript on the page in question.

        • manbearpig says:

          …toggled?…

          ok ok… but what about Fritz?

          • mkey says:

            Fritz looks like a charming guy with a possible appetite for destruction and power trips that may come from it. I didn’t comment on that specifically due to my unconventional view on chemical weapons, which I don’t see as that much different from any other means of mass murder. In my view, it’s just a red herring, placing the pivot on the method of mass murder instead of mass murder itself. If these conventions are “banning” chemical weapons, why the hell don’t they ban massive bombing campaigns? What about fire bombing? What about blockades and engineered starvation?

            Don’t get me started on the whole ZyklonB pellets thing.

            But you certainly do paint a vivid and not overly surprising diagram of connections between industrialists, Nobels and their award scheme and modern day propagandists. It’s a big club and we ain’t in it. Kudos.

            • manbearpig says:

              …Wow, I should say I was the one toggled last night but Bayer’s other invention should pretty much take care of that…

              I regularly use the Control/C to copy and V to paste. (and F to find) Here, as the message “créations protégées par CopyrightFrance.com” came up I didn’t even try to paste. I ASSUMED it was impossible. But you’re right. It works. Sort of the story of my life. Assuming it won’t work.

              What I tried to do was not exactly what Elizabeth Crawford did, which is paint a clear picture of the elite Internationalist cronyism involved in science via Nobel (of the explosives tradition) prizes and oil funding,

              I was attempting, albeit gratuitously, to paint poor little Greta Thunberg as the extension of the Carbon Eugenics tradition (so brilliantly well described by Mr Corbett) perpetuated by the British Huxleys, the Swedish Arrheniuses, the American Rockefellers and Arrhenius’ good German friend and colleague Wilhelm Ostwald:

              “…Ostwald suggested that eugenic practices and euthanasia be used to achieve this goal of guiding natural selection (Holt, 1975; Holt, 1977). Ostwald personally tried to popularize eugenics by giving public speeches on the topic (Holt, 1975). He saw eugenics as a necessary part of social change and an important part of Monism (Garvia, 2013; Holt, 1977)…”

              The elite scientific world at the service of Eugenics.

              Euthanasia no less…

              http://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/tree/51c2795697b8940a5400000f

              I always think of this trite phrase: “All’s fair in love and war”.

              Of course imposing “conventions” on How war should be waged is laughable at best and the international elite will always come out on top which is the goal of war anyway. And as a matter of fact, I’m pretty sure, that in their minds, Humanity is in a perpetual state of war so anything goes, anytime.

              Even what they might term “Euthanasia”…

              …nevertheless sorta sad about that suicidal streak in Fritz’s family…

              • manbearpig says:

                oh wait. that’s what you meant by “modern day propagandists”…greta’s handlers…I wonder just how much time I spend trying to explain things to people that everyone already gets…but me…ok, I’ll have some coffee now…

              • mkey says:

                Would a painter refrain from painting a scene which was already seen by others? Or would they do their due diligence of presenting it in a new light?

                That is what I was aiming at, but you put it much better into words. I tend to write when less is enough. Were I a writer, novels wouldn’t be my cup of tea.

              • manbearpig says:

                oh yes, less is often much more, and the caffeine has helped me realize that your sense of humour is also very dry and concise:

                “IG Farben doens’t translate well into English. So they just omit it.”

                Thanks for the reply, Occam.

            • HomeRemedySupply says:

              Chemical Weapons
              mkey said:
              “…my unconventional view on chemical weapons, which I don’t see as that much different from any other means of mass murder. In my view, it’s just a red herring, placing the pivot on the method of mass murder instead of mass murder itself. If these conventions are “banning” chemical weapons, why the hell don’t they ban massive bombing campaigns? What about fire bombing? What about blockades and engineered starvation?….

              Thanks. That makes sense to me.

    • FIW says:

      This just gets better and better! I haven’t even had the time to look into the first material about Arrhenius’ ties to the eugenics movement yet. You’re a true bloodhound manbearpig hehe.

      Oh, regarding your copy paste problems: I take it that you’re still using windows and either explorer or chrome? If you do insist on keep using those antiquated compromised tools, then might I recommend that you get a screen shot tool? It’s always worked for me, Tails comes with one built in, not that I want to advertise for Tails, hehe, windows versions of the said tool do exist 😛 It’s quite a lot of work, of course, if you have a lot of pages, but certainly better than nothing and you can’t get the info rawer than that.

      Now, I have reading to do

      • manbearpig says:

        Thank you for your advice, FIW. But my head wouldn’t make heads or tails of Tails. I’m still hoping I’ll be the lucky recipient of some incredible windfall somehow soon and will be able to hire the regular services of a secretary, an accountant, a cleaning person and an IT technician.

        • FIW says:

          No! It’s not difficult at all! Actually, you’d be surprised by how simple it is! Look,
          1: the only thing you need is an 8 GB usb pen.
          2:You go to https://tails.boum.org/ and download the latest version. 3:Follow the instructions in there as how to verify the download because that depends on your browser
          4: Install your Tails to the USB pen using “Universal USB INstaller”, if you can’t find it I can send you a copy.
          5: Done. Reboot your computer and make sure that it’s set to boot from the USB drive as and option, follow the loading screen, lean back and enjoy the new free world that’ll open for you online 🙂

          If you have any problems, call me in here

          I recommend this to everyone else in here who hasn’t done it yet. I’ve used Tails now for nearly 4 years and apart from a few bumps in the road I’ve been nothing but pleased with it, and there’s nothing to it, if an IT illiterate like me can do it then so can you, it’s all in your mind!

  18. FIW says:

    “..What the New Climate Economy is expressing when it states that “the shift to a low-carbon and climate-resilient economy is only one – potentially small – part of a much broader economic transition that is under way” is this: the transformation of global finance via the economic valuation and payment for environmental services..”

    “..Also disclosed was that Helen Mountford is the program director for the New Climate Economy project and director of economics at World Resources Institute. Prior to this appointment Mountford served as deputy director of Environment for the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). Beyond its formal research partnerships, the New Climate Economy is aligned with the World Bank, International Monetary Fund, International Energy Agency, regional development banks, UN agencies and the OECD..”

    “..Citizen protests and legal actions against companies, governments and individuals will undoubtedly become an increasing leverage opportunity in support of this emergency approach and have already begun.” — Club Of Rome The Climate Emergency Plan, launched with We Don’t Have Time and Global Utmaning, December, 2018..”

    “..“The Strategic Plan 2018-2022 lays out WRI’s approach and priorities for the next five years. WRI’s approach is to help catalyze and advance non?incremental shifts in policy and behavior, unusual political, social and corporate partnerships, to be understood in the context of “movements” rather than policy shifts.” — Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Concept Note, Support to World Resources Institute, Implementation of the Strategic Plan 2018-2022..”

    “..The ten-year social engineering effort also led to a transition from environmentalism into full-blown yet undetected anthropocentrism. Over a ten year span, “environmentalism” moved from that of protecting nature, to demanding a roll-out of green technology, industrial in scale, that would further plunder nature. The natural world became irrelevant as the desire for green technology superseded environmental protection. Wind turbines and solar panels replaced images of trees and insects as the new symbols of our natural world. Saving the industrial civilization that is killing off all life became paramount to saving the ecosystems that all life depends on. These ideologies slowly took hold until “movements” become nothing more than lobby groups for green energy. Volunteers marching for capital, global in scale. To suggest that Edward Bernays would be impressed would be an understatement. Such is the beauty of social engineering and behavioural change..”

    “..…so this is a very serious sort of proposition that we’re putting to some of them more like NGOs which are, I think a lot of the people in the NGOs know this as well. I mean a lot of people know what’s coming and I think this opens up a really interesting space in progressive culture in the countries we’re in. For the first time for a generation or two is to basically create a united front as it were people working together on a common agenda and I’ve been personally really surprised by how open some of the people have been at Greenpeace and Avaaz and various other organizations to the notion that, yes, we need to have as much participation in civil disobedience [as possible]..”

    “..The Climate Finance Partnership was formed under the leadership of French President Emmanuel Macron who announced the partnership on September 26, 2018 at the One Planet Summit held in New York. Partners include the Governments of France and Germany

    The Climate Finance Partnership was created in order to propel forward the New Climate Economy. Both being key vehicles to unlock the 100 trillion dollars identified in pension funds while simultaneously implementing the economic valuation and payment for environmental services (payments for ecosystems services) hidden within the Sustainable Development Goals…”

  19. HomeRemedySupply says:

    International oil companies (IOCs), state-owned oil companies (NOCs), NGOs …and “Climate Action 100+” (32 trillion)

    Feb 24, 2019 – OilPrice.com
    The $32 Trillion Push To Disrupt The Entire Oil Industry
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-32-Trillion-Fund-Transforming-The-Oil-Industry.html

    EXCERPTS
    …The first signs of a green revolution in the shareholder-investors universe are there, as investors have forced Dutch oil and gas major Shell to officially change its strategy, investing in more renewable energy and energy storage. The Dutch IOC wasn’t forced by to do so because of mismanagement or a lack of reserves but due to a well-orchestrated investor/stakeholder offensive…

    …And it has become clear that not only oil and gas giants are being targeted, after one of the world’s largest mining and commodity trading companies, Glencore, decided to put a limit on its thermal coal investment. The group stated that this was done after it was confronted by a largely unknown shareholder network called Climate Action 100+, which claims to be backed by more than 300 investors, managing assets of around $32 trillion. The group was founded a little over a year ago but has already forced oil majors’ boardrooms to take radical decisions…

    …For Climate Action 100+, which includes investors such as Calpers, Allianz SE, and HSBC Global Asset Management, making profitable investments remains a top priority, but they will no longer look accept a passive stance towards climate change….

    • FIW says:

      “..they will no longer look accept a passive stance towards climate change..”

      No, I bet they won’t, 32 trillion dollars worth of probably mostly public funds says that they won’t.

      So, we get an insight into the big, slimy octopus behind and even bigger than big oil.

      Thanks homeremedysupply!

    • manbearpig says:

      no longer “look accept” a passive stance towards climate change…?

      slimy octopus bigger than big oil?

      considering Rothschild-sponsored Rockefeller’s sponsorship of the likes of Maurice Strong, I’ll betcha Dutch oil shell IS HSBC Global Asset Management who’s Rothschild who’s Royal Dutch Shell or something very close to it. Carbon Eugenical incestuous cooperation…

      anyhow…time for zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      The Pentagon’s ‘missing’ trillions could be involved.
      Who knows?
      32 trillion is a lot of dough.

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      Climate Action 100+ “backed by more than 300 investors, managing assets of around $32 trillion
      ?
      Climate Action 100+ is coordinated by five partner organisations: Asia Investor Group on Climate Change (AIGCC); Ceres; Investor Group on Climate Change (IGCC); Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change (IIGCC) and Principles for Responsible Investment (PRI).
      http://www.climateaction100.org/

      Okay. Okay. This 32 trillion sounds like such an hyperbole.
      I keep thinking about that figure.

      Heck, the U.S. National Debt is about 22 trillion.

      “Debt among 19 to 29-year-old Americans exceeded $1 trillion at the end of 2018, according to the New York Federal Reserve Consumer Credit Panel. Overall consumer debt reached a record $13.5 trillion.”(Bloomberg)(Millennials Are Facing $1 Trillion in Debt)

      • FIW says:

        Well, one ting I’m not is an economist. The way you put it when you compare those figures with others, yeah, it seems like an unrealisticly huge amount of money, but then again…the Pentagon has devoured 20-21 trillion dollars unaccounted for, that’s only 1 institution.. how much money has vanished through various hedge funds? how much money are various corporations chanelling away out of the economy every year to various safe havens, how much money does international drug dealing account for? And how much of that ends up in the war chest of various corporations and NGO’s? Etc. We really don’t know, do we? How much a lot is… 13.5 trillion of the money that is alloted to “our economy” is a lot, but how much money is floating around out there in the parallel economy? The only thing I know is that public funds world wide have been sucked dry and it wasn’t by the public. The various pension funds that, according to the wrongkindofgreen articles, these “green” NGOs now have their eyes on account for 92 trillion. How much wealth have we actually stacked up world wide through decades of taxes that is illegible for their pillaging, how is wealth even measured? It could be 32 trillion worth of money they don’t really have, but expect to “unlock” as politicians open up the taps and let our money flow in their direction because Greta and Cortez say they have to…..

  20. HomeRemedySupply says:

    This company says “There is not enough CO2”.
    They need it.

    (9 minutes or less)
    Turning CO2 Into Food To Close The Carbon Loop – Pond Technologies
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wam7mXjjiXg

    “Pond Technologies’ bioreactors grows algae out of industrial gas stack emissions and make money by abating carbon emissions. The algae can be used for fish and animals food, petroleum-derived products, nutraceuticals, and protein for human consumption. With a partner to fund the next $100 M of projects, and proprietary technology for the cannabis industry, Pond Tech expects big growth on the horizon.”

  21. mkey says:

    Plant Battery
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV6Y_JZQTso

    When I read “plant” I assumed a factory. But no, it’s a plant, that is a battery based on moss. A living battery, if you will. Doesn’t hold much energy but it still is a wonder to observe.

    • FIW says:

      yeah, another green tosser really excited by reaching a couple of milliwatts, yes! Our world is saved!

      • mkey says:

        I’d urge you to look at this man and his small team’s work with a bit more scrutiny than that.

        Robert is not bent of foolish greenery, he’s a man of science (the classical kind) and if there’s anything but science which can lead you from moss to however small engine spinning for however short amount of time than I’d sure like to know what that is.

        • FIW says:

          Alright, fair enough, sorry..I’m probably a bit too quick to reject some times and a bit….”trigger happy” in these times of constant eureka claims

        • HomeRemedySupply says:

          mkey,
          I like seeing the occasional posts and updates about this battery guy. It shows what a handful of folks can do.

  22. mkey says:

    The Green New Deal
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EFNlTC2FY0

    Tony Heller does his thing on AOC and the GND. Spoiler: AOC and GND lose.

    • manbearpig says:

      Well, everything was hilariously and therapeutically honky dory until the eugenical Gates euology began. IMNSHO, if Gates is selling “reliability” it’s ’cause he’s selling his TerraPower nuclear company, not because he’s interested in honesty or the wellbeing of the “unwashed masses” that I believe he sees as an ignorant common core to be vaccinated into paralysis.

      Aside from that, the phlegmatic Heller highwater was as gratifying as usual.

      • mkey says:

        That was a cringe worthy moment, yes. Heller can’t be possibly expected to be fluent in all facets of propaganda, can he now?

    • FIW says:

      Good one!

  23. FIW says:

    LOL!

    Sorry! Couldn’t resist posting this although being off topic:

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/25/felon-arrested-after-pursuit-when-stolen-tesla-batteries-die/

    High speed car chases are now a thing of the past, imagine doing Starsky and Hutch with these toy cars HAHA!

    • manbearpig says:

      That is a very powerful video. There are others and articles that echo this testimony. I have a yellow vest in one of my University classes. I’ll show this in class tomorrow to see what she and the others say.

      • FIW says:

        I’m curious to know their reaction actually. Many thoughts, mostly angry one, went through my head when watching it.

        One was many years ago in a political science class when we were discussing an extract from a book, I can’t remember the name of the author, but this person expressed concerns about the way in which democracy was developing, he saw a tendency to move away from discussing core values, serious relevant issues, to only politicized topics being on the agenda, he predicted a future in which only topics, or issues, what ever they’re called, that were backed by sufficient money and media would be debated, whether they actually posed a real problem/threat or not, while real serious issues would be ignored, they would simply drown in the noise. Another guy who was right on, now we have pigtailed Greta and flashy Cortez attracting all of the attention and they have but to open their mouthes and billions are allocated in their way while a serious breach of people’s right to expression, cases of police brutality en masse and people fighting for their right to exist go unnoticed.

        Then I got to think about the similarity between France now and 1st of October in Spain last year and how the casualties and the severity of these have already by far exceeded those of last year here, and, where’s the sympathy then from all of those people who went through the same? Talk about compartmentalization!

    • mkey says:

      I still don’t understand what’s the end game here? What are they hoping to achieve? The only thing I’ve seen people account are failed socialist mantras, life free this and that and silly stuff like a higher minimum wage. I haven’t seen people talking about decentralization, less government and the like.

      • HomeRemedySupply says:

        My guess is that since the Trump election, came a new Psych Warfare booklet…
        Reality TV Show Theory: Just say outrageous stuff.

        “We’ll build the great wall of America covering thousands of miles to keep out the invaders.”
        “The Russians did it.”
        “Free Money for everyone.”
        “The end of CO2.”

        • mkey says:

          The end of CO2 lol, what’s next, down with that hellish O2, oxidating our bodies and making us older and weaker. Banish 02, banish it I say! We’ll learn to live without it, it’s the root cause of that evil CO2. And you know what happened the last time we had too much C02.

        • FIW says:

          Surely this was in place way before Trump? What I see as relatively new is the fact that they are never held accountable for those claims, never do they have to prove them, it’s all about emotions, just like the wrongkindofgreen articles say.

          Who needs to prove a claim when saying outrageous stuff combined with a twitter campaign is enough to sway people? And after all this is what it’s always been about, swaying people into wanting what you want, before it became possible to do this with social media tools it was just a bit more tricky and cumbersome, now it can be done with the flick of a switch sort of and the effect can be measured in real time.

          The loss of our language is to blame too, most people can’t be bothered to read anymore let alone read in depth so now we have memoes and flashing 2 minutes streaming clips where it’s just about showing the most balls, like saying “I’m the boss now! Ya’ll just shouting from the cheap seats”. I some times think that we’re regressing to the stage where our language was drawings on a cave wall..

      • FIW says:

        “..I still don’t understand what’s the end game here? What are they hoping to achieve? ..”

        You mean for the yellow vests or the “Elite”?

      • FIW says:

        “..The only thing I’ve seen people account are failed socialist mantras, life free this and that and silly stuff like a higher minimum wage. I haven’t seen people talking about decentralization, less government and the like..”

        I think this is because people are so dumbed down and stuck in the same track that they can’t see beyond centralization, institutions and government let alone imagine taking responsibility for their own life, the upbringing of their kids etc. It’s ironic because I remember a time not so far away where the “liberalist” were advocating decentralization, free competition and less government and the socialists the opposite, now they ALL want centralization and more control only in different flavours. I fear that people in general have completely lost the ability to think out of the box and imagine something entirely different and in the few cases they do it’s extreme and insane and just more centralization in yet another disguise. Nobody seems able to break the paradigm neither people nor “thinkers”.

    • mkey says:

      When it comes to the internal combustion engine, my main qualm with it is its incredibly low efficiency. This is usually never talked about, for some reason, while typically certain issues are pulled out of context.

      Additionally, there are all sorts of way to hide exhaust byproducts. Like special filters which produce who knows what kind of vile chemical pollutants in exchange for absorbing whatever is measured in this tests.

      There was also an option to divert a part of exhaust gasses through intake, in hopes of lower emissions at expense of engine fool of soot and decreased time between maintenance and maintenance. Win-win.

      What about alcohol as a fuel? What about proper electric cars? Much better efficiency but they put oil outside of picture, so that’s a no-no.

      • FIW says:

        Erhm, I’m afraid I’d have to disagree with you and then you can call me what you want afterwards.

        “..When it comes to the internal combustion engine, my main qualm with it is its incredibly low efficiency. This is usually never talked about, for some reason, while typically certain issues are pulled out of context..”

        Of internal combustion engines there are 2 types, at least for automobiles, the petrol and the diesel engine of which the diesel engine is by far the most effecient which is why it beat the other one time and time again, this is not conspiracy but pure and simple cost efficiency. The modern diesel of today has an overall efficiency of around 60%, which is quite good compared to that of the petrol. Most of the loss is thermal loss, through the exhaust, something very little can be done about at least on smaller installations like cars trucks and trains. Onboard a ship, where the exhaust gasses can be used to make heat and even some times drive a generator, the overall efficiency is around 90%, which is why it beat the gas turbine, the steam turbine etc. at sea, it simply produces more usable energy for every gram of burned fuel. The steam turbine, a thermal engine, is far less efficient, when run as pure steam, that is in a power station for example, where it only runs a generator, has an overall efficiency of as little as 40%, the reason why they are reported to have more is in cases where they make use of the heat waste to make central heating. With the gas turbine you get approximately the same results. The problem has always been the heat waste. Anyway, there are other factors that come into play such as size, weight etc, it has to be practical too, what good is a power source that takes up most of the space and/or weight. What about the electric car? sure, an electric motor has an efficiency around 98%, but what about the batteries? Especially when it gets cold and when they age. What about the power station that produces the electricity for the batteries? When we talk electric cars, surely you would agree that we have to look at the WHOLE picture because the power has to come from some where.

        “..Additionally, there are all sorts of way to hide exhaust byproducts. Like special filters which produce who knows what kind of vile chemical pollutants in exchange for absorbing whatever is measured in this tests..”

        I don’t know if they can be said to hide them, most catalysts transform a percentage of the undesired waste gasses into gasses that are, at least for now, considered harmless, what chemical pollutants are then formed in exchange? I don’t know of any, but perhaps I’m ignorant. The production of the said catalysts, however, is very toxic and pollutant, but so is the production of batteries, not to mention the disposal of them. I think there’s always a problem to be found in some technology if you really hate it. What about electric cars? Isn’t putting a sign on a car that says “Zero Emission” a little bit exaggerated and hiding chemical pollutants too when the power that charged the said vehicle came from a nearby power station that emits the exact same pollutants and some times even more?

        [SNIP – Please keep comments to 500 words. JC]

        • mkey says:

          Snipped from above:

          “..There was also an option to divert a part of exhaust gasses through intake, in hopes of lower emissions at expense of engine fool of soot and decreased time between maintenance and maintenance. Win-win..”

          I take it you mean the dreaded ERG valve. Yes, that was a huge mistake which is why many people disable it after they’ve gone through the MOT, it’s quite an easy fix. But this is just an example of how this hysteria has actually reduced the efficiency of an otherwise good engine in the name of primarily CO2. Just like some ships are now forced to inject water into the fuel to reduce CO2 emissions, when going through the low emission zones of the seas that were made by he UN. This in return causes them to consume 10% more fuel, but hey, they emit less CO2! Is this the fault of the engine? Or a case of the cure being worse than the disease?

          “..What about alcohol as a fuel? What about proper electric cars? Much better efficiency but they put oil outside of picture, so that’s a no-no..”

          What about it? Diesel contains approximately 57 MJ per litre, how much does alcohol contain? Would an engine run on alcohol be more efficient? Would it be more “green”? Electric cars? Please show me a proper one and where would you get the energy from to charge it? Okay, I admit that I’m biased against the EV just as you are against the diesel, but honestly, wouldn’t you just move the XX TWh it takes to shift people and goods around from the vehicle to another place? Electricity is not energy in itself, it’s an intermediate between what ever energy, chemical for example, that makes it and the application that consumes it. It doesn’t come out of the ground by itself, it has to be produced some how.

        • mkey says:

          I’m not certain how you came to a 60% efficient diesel engine for standard personal vehicles. There’s a reason diesel powered cars are more expensive to both purchase and maintain – they are more complicted. Which can pay off in the long run, if you travel enough.

          60% sounds like a very optimistic figure. How much heat can be recovered by heating up the cabin? Most cars feature an AC unit these days. Can this remnant heat be used to make the AC unit more efficient? Probably yes, but to what extent? 10% higher fuel efficiency? I doubt it, but OK lets say 10%, if you would heat up the cabin majority of the time in the cooler climates. In central Europe you need heating for about quarter of the year tops. So that 10% become 2.5% over the year. I don’t think you can pull off 60%.

          But lets say that you can.

          • FIW says:

            The 60% is a general average thermal efficiency of a lot of diesel engines, that is, what you gain on the drive shaft compared to the energy you burn off in the combustion chamber. It’s not something that I just made up, I studied marine engineer and diesel engines was something we worked a lot on, I’ve worked with them and on them too, I’ve been around them most of my life, I’m not saying this to pull ranks, but I’m not a complete layman either.

            Like I said, the biggest waste on any internal combustion engine is the heat waste. On bigger installations, like maritime ones, this can be made use of, but not on smaller ones.

            What you mention about cabin heating is entirely different since that system makes use of the heat from the cooling unit and as for the AC unit it will deteriorate the fuel economy for the vehicle just like it would eat power from a battery powered one.

            I can see that I’ve been limited to only 500 words so I won’t go more into details.

        • mkey says:

          60% fuel efficiency on the vehicle itself, OK.

          How much is lost on distributing the fuel around to a zillion fuel pumps? 2%? More? I’d be hard pressed to come up with a figure for proper efficiency of a fuel cistern. I would, however, feel extremely certain when stating that you lose less transfering energy over high voltage power lines than you do with cisterns.

          So that 60% takes a dent. Shall we say 58%? I’m really guessing here. One should take into account the average distance traveled and the mileage for the cistern to make this meaningful.

          How much does on lose on charging? Tanking up, assuming you’re not ripped off at the fuel station, costs about 0% fuel. Charging up the batteries, if we’re talking about modern lithium batteries, will take some 5-7% off the top. Lets say 6%.

          So that 58% gets boosted to 64%.

          Lets assume that same fuel which comes from the rafinery is used to produce electricity. You could probably transfer it more efficently to the oil plant than you can to fuel stations. Some sources say large steam turbines have 80% efficiency. Large heat producers can recover more heat than samll one, so I guess that makes sense.

          64% gets boosted to 84%. And lets give it another 2% boost for the electric engine efficiency. So, grand total would be some 15% better efficiency, which is really not much. A number as low as it is mostly thanks to what we assumed, one of the worst ways to produce electricity, by burning oil.

          • FIW says:

            I’m not saying that the best way of making electricity is by burning oil. The point I tried to make was that some kind of fossil fuel is needed to make it, I do not believe neither in wind mills nor solar panels with the results I’ve seen so far.

            As for the power plants, usually a turbine, either gas or steam is preferred not because of it’s fuel efficiency, but because of it’s enormous power output. What is then used to run the turbine varies, but usually turbines, and articularly steam turbines, are not very thermally efficient. This has to do with the condensator, where vapor is turned back into water. When the steam arrives here it still contains a lot of enthalpy, but not enough to make use of on the turbine blades. If the plant cannot make use of this enthalpy, by producing heating for example, then the overall PLANT efficiency is quite low. If the opposite is the case then, yes, the overall efficiency of the plant can be 80% or even higher.

        • mkey says:

          There’s a number of advantages and disadvantages.

          The battery issue can be rather ugly, if a mass lithium battery production kicks in when these batteries come back home to roost some fans will be shit stained for sure. It’s not that lithium is not recoverable, it’s not cost efficient to do so.

          Lead batteries, on the other hand, can usually be recovered at a tune of some 98%. The problem being they have troubling performance issues and are much more epensive to charge comparing to modern lithium based batteries.

          There are some new technologies coming up hopefully, like what that Brittish small team I have mentioned several times now has been busy with. They are basically converting vile trash to batteries, as far as manufacturing materials efficiency goes you can’t get much more efficient than that. Performance and pricing information is yet to come. From their estimates, they are angling for LiIon performance with lead price along having parametrical scalability of charge cycle-capacity.

          I’ve seen some other stuff being worked on, like that liquid battery thingy, but that looks insanely expensive.

          To be continued.

        • mkey says:

          Another negative side effect of an electrically operated vehicle is that you don’t have the option to recover heat since almost none is produced. We’re back at the AC then and questionable effect of heat recovery in small installations.

          As far as battery performance and adverse effects low temperatures cause go I’ll provide a specification for a winston LiFePO4 battery (which I’ll take here at face value)

          Original ThunderSky Winston part number: WB-LYP100AHA(B)
          Recommended initial and subsequent charging is to 3.65 V.
          The minimum voltage is 2.5 V.
          Maximum discharge current is 3C continously.
          Operating temperature -45°C up to 85°C (discharging)
          Energy density is 90.9 Wh/kg

          These battery cells are suitable for all traction applications including electric vehicles. Fully complies also for stationary applications – such as energy storage.
          There is no Selfdischarging effect.
          Can be recharged at any state of discharge – no memory effect
          LiFePO4 is a very safe technology, not spontaneous combustion, does not react with moisture or with oxygen.
          All cells are supplied new directly from the manufacturer.
          Original Woodenbox contains 20 cells is 647*458*360mm large and weights 74kg.

          These winston batteries (just an example, I’m not associated with these guys in any way) are said to last for well over 20 years (so most people in the Western middle class would probably find it cost effective to transfer these between at least 2 or more vehicles, assuming that there isn’t something a lot better coming around the corner as these hit their half life) and have a life cycle of 10000x + as long as you don’t charge them over some 80% on regular basis. Assuming you can do some 5KM on 1KWh (calculated from modern electrical car specs) and you had a 30KWh battery pack (meaning 150KM autonomy) of which you actually used some 20KWh per recharge cycle on average, you’d be looking at about a million KM worth. Not many cars today reach that kind of goals.

          There are also issues with losing some capacity over time, of course. Deeper the discharge, heavier the loss in both the capacity and recharge cycles. These would be perfect for 50KM daily commutes with trickle top up in the off hours, IMO.

        • mkey says:

          Now, these batteries are not exactly cheap. They go for about 300€ per kWh. That’s quite a lot, for 150KM autonomy from the above example you’d need some 10k€. That’s expensive.

          But so is heavily subsidized automobile industry. You may want to search the web for countless examples of abandoned parking lots, torn down factories, abandoned airways, race tracks etc. filled to the brim with mint new cars which will never sell but were produced because it was good for the industry and it was payed for by insane debt and tax funny money. They won’t be sold for cheap either, because the manufacturers want to keep prices as high as possible. Maybe a massive explosion (like the one in China from some years back) will occur once in a while to cull their number and keep it manageable.

          Lets talk about some advantages of electrical cars. They don’t need many parts cars with internal combustion engine can’t function without. The fuel system (pump, tank, lines, filters), the cooling system (radiator, tank, pump), the oil system (pan, low pressure pump, high pressure pump, common rail/injectors, filters), the gearbox, the clutch, the alternator, spark plugs (where applicable), the turbine, the muffles … even the standard fair lead-acid battery (or two) is not needed.

          Further, the electrical engine is a lot simpler contraption than the internal combustion engine. No gaskets, no high pressures, no excessive heat, no explosions (don’t mean those from movies, but actual explosions caused by the fuel in the cylinder). You have some bearings to replace (lets say, a very rough estimate) several tens of thousands of kilometers and you’re good to go.

          Returning to the batteries for a moment, it’s safe to assume that for the foreseeable future LiIon battery disposal will get ugly before it gets nice. Lets say you can get some 300.000KM out of your electrical car packed with rather expensive LiIon batteries from above before you need to dispose of them. Lets say you invested in a 30kWh battery pack, with specific energy of 90Wh/KG from above, that’s about 330KG of batteries, mostly lithium.

          Compare that to used oil and fuel filters and used up engine oil. Turbocharged vehicles will also need air filters. During those 300.000KM you’ll probably use up some (lets say 5L of oil for every 10.000KM) 150L of oil and several dozen of oil and fuel filters (depending on many factors, of course). There will also be some extra spark plugs (where applicable), belts, pumps and various other assorted parts like a few gearboxes (along with some oil for the gearbox) and clutches.
          The fact I leave that stuff at the mechanics’ doesn’t make me think it’s all good and done for. These parts are not taken out to the farm to spend the rest of their days at the green pastures.

          Feel free to go ahead and tell me which of these options is dirtier. Recycling is sure possible to a certain extent, but cost efficiency will be the driving factor.

          • FIW says:

            Well, thanks for fillng me in on all of this battery technology, it is not a speciality of mine. I know a fair deal about electricity production, but not batteries since I wasn’t a submariner hehe.

            As for all the problems that people always talk about with diesel cars, I just can’t recognize them. I’ve owned a diesel car most of my driving life and I’ve never had any major issues, most of the maintenance costs actually went to the drive line, which any car has. What I did have instead was an incredible fuel economy, when I was a happy person with a steady job I only refueled once a month, I made around 1100 km on one tank of diesel, app 42 litres. that cost me around 40 Euro back then. Had I bothered to look into the possibilities of running it on waste vegetable oil, like I do now, it would have cost me even less. I changed oil and filters once a year, around 50 Euro. I guess it all comes down to personal experience and needs.

        • mkey says:

          “Isn’t putting a sign on a car that says “Zero Emission” a little bit exaggerated and hiding chemical pollutants too when the power that charged the said vehicle came from a nearby power station that emits the exact same pollutants and some times even more?”

          In short I’d say, even if we opted for producing electricity from oil, it’s a lot easier to manage and reduce pollution coming from a large installation fueling several thousands of small clean vehicles than it is to manage several thousands of small polluters.

          “what chemical pollutants are then formed in exchange?”

          These special filters themselves are very problematic to dispose of from what I have heard back in the day. I have worked in one of the associated industries some years back and people who understood the complexity of the issue understood it was just a play on the numbers. One of those ways the market will find to combat insane regulation. Just as you fight fire with fire, you fight insanity with insanity.

          “Is this the fault of the engine?”
          It has nothing to do with the engine itself (I’m not sure why you went there) but the insanity of the regulation/industry.

          “Diesel contains approximately 57 MJ per litre, how much does alcohol contain?”

          Contains less, but it’s combusted at higher pressures and it’s used more efficiently to produce torque. So you end up getting similar mileage, less waste heat and quite a lot less emissions.

          “Would an engine run on alcohol be more efficient? Would it be more “green”?”

          Yes and yes. You may not be aware, but where free markets still exist to some extent, you have alcohol fuel production even if it’s being destroyed by price fixing and insane market interventions.

          “Electric cars? Please show me a proper one and where would you get the energy from to charge it?”

          What do you mean, a proper one? I don’t understand. Electricity to charge them is found at the same place they produce all the other electricity. Large installation are more efficient than small ones. Do you wish to dispute this?

          “Okay, I admit that I’m biased against the EV just as you are against the diesel”

          Admitting the problem is the first step to solving it.
          I’m absolutely not biased against diesel engines, the very imputation is absurd. As is the implication I might choose to call you names over a small difference in opinion. Why would I do that and completely destroy (why I consider) a perfectly valid argument?

          If I were doing enough KM I’d own a vehicle operated by a diesel engine as it would be more cost effective, even with all the price fixing and insane ordinances imposed by the state. I do some 5000KM per year and that means I get by with my 60HP gasoline operated car just great. It needs an oil/filter change every few years, it has decent gas mileage and is rather affordable to maintain.

          • FIW says:

            “..Contains less, but it’s combusted at higher pressures and it’s used more efficiently to produce torque. So you end up getting similar mileage, less waste heat and quite a lot less emissions..”

            Now this I didn’t know, very interesting, it actually sounds like something a diesel engine would apt for since it operates at a lot higher combustion pressure. This I would like to look into!

        • mkey says:

          If anything, I’m biased against the general state of transportation and if I could choose, I would choose an electrically operated mass transpiration system over what we have, any day of the week. It would be reasonably clean, safe and efficient. Of course, there would be affected remote areas, the railroad can’t go everywhere, but that’s just one of the small creases that need to be ironed out.

          “Isn’t putting a sign on a car that says “Zero Emission” a little bit exaggerated”

          Yes. It’s a lot exaggerated and yes people are idiots to fall for bullshit like that.

          “It doesn’t come out of the ground by itself, it has to be produced some how.”

          Neither does oil. It comes from the ground, but not by itself. And we could probably discuss this matter further by exploring the REAL price of oil. Do you think all that destruction and mayhem is included in the price you pay when you top up your tank? Back in the day alcohol as a fuel production in the US has began competing seriously against oil so prohibition happened.

          Of course, if I would aspire to adapt my vehicle and make it run on electricity, the state would deem it illegal to drive said vehicle on “state owned” roads and would make me jump through hoops to make it “legal” whatever that means, besides paying a bunch of made up fines which amount to nothing but bribes.

          Or it would simply send its goons to beat, rob and kill me or they would find it pleasurable enough to just rid me of my freedom. Hence this website, hence my membership here etc.

          The point I’m conveying here is that, without all the market interventions you’d have quite a lot of variety in the markets. Be it modes of transpiration, fuels, foods etc. The state has a number of ways to destroy ingenuity and market know how by imposing ridiculous restrictions to help form cartels and prop up the organized and legalized crime.

          Regards

          • FIW says:

            Now this is where we finally start to meet in the middle!

            Varieties in the markets! I couldn’t agree more! You see, I’m not biased against the electric vehicle per se, but more against the way it’s being pushed on the market and shoved down people’s throats. If people in a big city can do with an EV, let them drive it! If people outside the city want diesel, let them drive it! If someone can run his vehicle on waste fat or alocohol then let him! Nobody should have the right to dictate what other people drive or do with their money. I’d like to see a world where people just respect each other and share ideas and innovation instead of one where we compete for the same bread crumbs and are busy destroying each other’s lives to gain ahead.

        • HomeRemedySupply says:

          Batteries
          A few weeks back, I watched this. Thought of you mkey.

          Zac & Jesse discuss Tesla’s new potential acquisition of Maxwell Technologies and what that could mean for Tesla going forward.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8wdeqS3UlU

          Saying goodbye to Cobalt. Interesting. That commodity’s price has been on a wild ride.

      • HomeRemedySupply says:

        mkey says: What about alcohol as a fuel? What about proper electric cars? Much better efficiency but they put oil outside of picture, so that’s a no-no.

        I agree with mkey on this one.
        Examples: The battery technology is gaining ground.
        David Blume (Alcohol Can Be A Gas) has some wonderful videos. I have his book, a 3 1/2 pound tome.
        This 5 minute video gives a comparison.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yRZzrnn7cM
        When a person watches some of the other videos, there are tremendous advantages to permaculture and food production by using alcohol.

        One aspect with the oil industry which is rarely talked about is the fact that it takes a tremendous amount of money to pull that black goo out of the ground. It is not as simple as it once was to get it out. Oil reserves are becoming harder to access.
        I often follow oil. OilPrice.com sometimes has some excellent articles. I have relatives with mineral rights in oil rich Oklahoma.

        In my opinion, for the most part, the oil industry is built on debt. The gamble can perhaps pay off if prices are high.

        • HomeRemedySupply says:

          David Bloom shows how he makes Tumeric grow twice as tall with CO2 from alcohol production. Cucumbers are shown and the benefits of shade. CO2 curbs insects.
          (7 minutes)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5YidbRklJE

        • mkey says:

          Blume is a crazy conspiracy kook. Photosaturation? Color me surprised.

          • generalbottlewasher says:

            Mkey nice battery information very helpful understanding the attitudes of people here against, in the oil capitol.
            Maybe food will be the new oil, that is if you can control the pool of sunlight distribution ? Haven’t seen the sun here for a week. Or more accurately, since the spewing fleet flew on the last clear day.

            Will the battery man in GB make it to the finish line? What is the hang up? He appears authentic in teaching.
            Last you and HRS made me think of the Henry Ford comment on his preference for alcohol over gasoline for his motors
            before his transformation to the Rockefeller way of thinking. How different the world could be with out a meter on everything. Thank you for taking the time.

            • CQ says:

              Where is the “oil capitol,” gbw? I thought Houston–or at least Texas–was considered the hub of the oil world, in the US, anyway. I know HRS lives in the Lone Star state; do you, too? (Don’t mean to be nosey.)

              Speaking of Henry Ford reminds me that my uncle has told me on more than one occasion that his (and my mother’s) grandfather, who immigrated from Hungary to Ohio, was invited by Henry to invest in his start-up company. I don’t know why “Dompey” declined to buy shares, but I’m sure glad he made that decision, because I would NOT want to hobnob with the Ford and ‘Fellers and Fricks!

              Sorry I can’t contribute a thing to the technical part of this conversation, except to say that winters in Connecticut weren’t kind to my diesel Rabbit: I had to pour hot water on the engine (or whatever part under the hood needed to be heated up) if I wanted to get beyond the driveway on below-freezing mornings.

              Oh, and one other thing: When I got a newspaper job in New Hampshire’s North Country straight out of college, I was assigned to interview a fellow in town who had designed and patented an engine that operated without gasoline. I wish I could remember his name and what he called his invention. It sure was elegant in looks and functionality. He had tried to interest the automakers (and maybe even venture capitalists) in investing in this economical, energy-efficient, inexpensive contraption. But he kept coming up empty, poor guy.

              Now that I’m a member of the Corbett Report, I understand WHY the auto execs ignored him. I’ll always remember that man’s character: full of integrity and perseverance and hope. I wish there were a way I could find him and tell him, lo these many decades later, how much I still admire his pure motives, tenacity, and ingenuity.

              • HomeRemedySupply says:

                CQ,
                I enjoy these personal anecdotes. It is flavor to the soup of conversation.

                No way…I couldn’t take a Connecticut winter.
                I’m waitin for Spring to come after this coming week’s (hopefully) last freeze.

              • FIW says:

                “..Sorry I can’t contribute a thing to the technical part of this conversation, except to say that winters in Connecticut weren’t kind to my diesel Rabbit: I had to pour hot water on the engine (or whatever part under the hood needed to be heated up) if I wanted to get beyond the driveway on below-freezing mornings..”

                Well, sorry, when it comes to cold weather, and I know what that is being from the North, I’d prefere a diesel any time. I’ve never had problems in the cold, perhaps your glow plugs were off.

                Anyway, the engine you mention, could it have been the Stirling engine? This is a very interesting contraption that has seen its comeback in the maritime world, although only on submarines, I do think it would have potential many other places though.

              • HomeRemedySupply says:

                Stirling Engine (not electric) Fan to cool off
                I first saw one of these working on RAWHIDE Season 3 Episode 6 “Incident on the Road to Yesterday” at the 13:30 mark.
                https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1399-new-world-next-week-with-james-evan-pilato/#comment-57156

                I understand about the diesel glow plugs and the benefits of diesel in winter.
                Alcohol alone as a car fuel has its limitations in cold or high altitudes. But I do recommend watching some of the David Blume videos.

              • HomeRemedySupply says:

                Here is that Video from Rawhide
                (30 seconds)
                QUEUED
                https://youtu.be/vJzsrcWmGBw?t=12m30s

              • CQ says:

                Yes, you’re right, FIW, it was the “glow plugs” that were the problem in the cold! Now it’s all come flooding back to me. Sorry to have blamed the innocent diesel engine and to have apparently imagined that the cure was hot water. Whether a mechanic found a solution is a memory that’s been wiped out by the stronger memory of feeling helplessness stuck in my driveway, shivering in that little white Rabbit.

            • mkey says:

              They are apparently busy talking to potential partners so the production line seems to have slated a bit, but it appears they have everything ready to make this happen.

              • generalbottlewasher says:

                Thanks for the update Mkey.
                CQ: in answer Tulsa Ok. Very diverse history here all centered around big oil, Indian genocide, Black freemen, Federal Guvment, Dred Scott, credit cards, oil law, Indigenous mineral rights, Oil extraction patents, Refinery and storage of crude, pipelines, booms and busts, monopolies, prostitution, murder. Opera houses, Masonic temples , phone houses, Harvey houses, oil publishing houses. Pretty much all at the beginning when things were being invented and entering the American lexicon of Big Oil. Tulsa was the epicenter in the wilderness of the world. And the birth place of Tulsa was a Christian town across the Arkansas river named after a Creek Chief , Sapulpa. Population 30,000 in 1902 .Story has it J.D. and his cronies wanted a drink and a prostitute and was refused . So he and the boys caught the trolley to black town in the settlement across the river. It stopped at Greenwood and Archer where the Indians,blacks and roughnecks could get whiskey, women and music. The rest is history. Texas? We showed them how it was done.

              • CQ says:

                Am responding to gbw under mkey because there’s no “reply” button under the former’s last comment:

                HARVEY HOUSES? What are they??? Is gbw talking about Hurricane Harvey in oil city Houston, Texas, after telling me he’s from oil town Tulsa?

                Couldn’t be!

                A quick search produced this:
                https://www.legendsofamerica.com/66-harveyhouse/4 (Tulsa’s included)

                and

                http://www.harveyhouses.net/states/oklahoma/okhouses.html (no mention of Tulsa)

                and

                https://www.pinterest.com/victorcurt/fred-harveys-harvey-houses (though pinterest wouldn’t let me scroll much)

                Thanks for the tour of hist-O(IL)-RIC(H) Tulsa, including the rail restaurant chain, gbw. 🙂

              • generalbottlewasher says:

                CQ: your last comment may well be a question for Corbett? Is it a tool to return a train of thought to the track? And come to speak of it your story above about the tinkerier of a fuelless engine. How sad is it that President Eisenhower’s speech warning of the corruption of the Universities by guvment contract would manifest its self in the integrity of the home garage inventors. What saddens me the most about the take over by Rockefeller men is the damage it did to pure motives, tenacity, and ingenuity. I think Corbett may have previously addressed this poorly formed QFC.

              • CQ says:

                gbw, will you write out the Q4C, ‘cuz I’m too dense to understand what exactly you think deserves to be asked–and answered. I gather it’s something about the Harvey Houses, right? Thanks!

              • HomeRemedySupply says:

                GeneralBottleWasher’s neck of the woods…

                “When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep.
                Not screaming like all the passengers in his car.”
                – Will Rogers

                Post WW1 Greenwood Riot
                You are right GBW. Dang! Oklahoma can sure throw a riot…complete with aerial fire bombs on the community.
                https://www.theringer.com/2018/6/28/17511818/black-wall-street-oklahoma-greenwood-destruction-tulsa

  24. FIW says:

    Wow…it’s long time since I’ve heard so many truths in such a short time and it’s from 2010.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV_c1ElZl7Q

  25. FIW says:

    For anyone interested, there’s been a release of emails akind to the one from East Anglia where fudging with data etc. was revealed. This time the emails come from the University of Arizona and are connected to Michael Mann.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/04/climategate-continues-the-mann-hockeystick-university-of-arizona-emails-are-now-public/

  26. FIW says:

    And there seems to be a sort of follow up on the Thunberg series

    http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/03/01/scurrying-fascist-cockroaches/

    • CQ says:

      Thanks for those superb finds, FIW. Those initials of yours stand for “FIRST IN WITH . . .” whatever news you dredge up and send our way.

      After reading the text in the first two links you provided, I’m not surprised to learn that exploiting kids has been part of the climate change pushers’ agenda from the get-go, but it’s still somewhat of a shock — a happy shock! — to see it in writing.

      If indoctrinated children in my state march today, they’re doing it on the last weekday of spring break.

    • Azra says:

      Thank you so much for sharing these links. I was just putting together some material on this topic to share with a research group I work with. Cheers!

      • FIW says:

        Well, you’re most welcome both of you, I’m happy to be of use to someone.

        “..whatever news you dredge up and send our way..”
        Haha, funny you mention dredging, I worked on a dredger, among other types of vessels, when I was a seaman.

        Azra, could you reveal a bit about what that research group is researching? If I can be of any help then say so.

        And to those people who might find my eagerness to reach out to people weird; I’m not an online stalker, nor am I a pathetic lonely person who seeks company and I’m certainly not a dastardly undercover intelligence agent trying to infiltrate the corbettreport, I’m sure they choose people with higher IQs than that of mine anyway. I’m just a person who will not roll over and give up without a fight and with fight I don’t mean swinging a club against a cop or blowing things up, I’m talking about actively working with other people to push back on this vile propaganda and various other activities, I have lots of ideas, but I cannot do it alone.

  27. Azra says:

    Patrick Wood published this excellent exposé on his Technocracy news website today:

    Fraud: Green New Deal Plagiarized From 2009 UN Environment Programme Report

    “In a stunning revelation from a 2009 UN document titled “Rethinking the Economic Recovery: A Global Green New Deal“, it is discovered that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’ (AOC) Green New Deal is not a new movement of the people, but rather a crafty creation of a small group of global elite working through the United Nations.”

    http://www.technocracy.news/fraud-green-new-deal-plagiarized-from-2009-un-environment-programme-report/

    • FIW says:

      Brilliant! I’ve seen other articles where the plagiarism was mentioned, but they didn’t go into details with the origins of the plagiarized material. Am I wrong in thinking that this shows exactly that the financial crisis, the war on terror and the eco crisis is a controlled demolition of our world and that the green offensive and this green new deal is a plan long thought of, a new regime that was the aim of all of this mess in the first place? There’s nothing new in what I’ve just said, but this article shows that the plans were lying there in the drawer long time ago, just like the plans to attack Iraq were in place long before the “crisis” that alledgedly triggered them….got to go!

  28. FIW says:

    Finally someone is digging deeper into these youth movements. As I’ve mentioned lots of times earlier, these instinction rebellion creeps are very active here in Spain.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/02/the-new-green-threat-extinction-rebellion/

    This goes perfectly hand in hand with what is said in the wrongkindofgreen articles and is perfectly relevant to James’ latest hard road to world order video too. Remember that the wrongkindofgreen articles ties this organisation with the we don’t have time and Greta Thunberg all of whom are tied to Ingmar Rentzhog and billions of dollars.

    I would take the Russian involvement with a grain of salt though…even though the RT seems to have siginificantly changed gear over the last couple of years, who knows perhaps “Donyal Trumski” really is involved haha! Joke, of course.

    Anyway, this contains some very interesting and disturbing information.

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