Then after 9-11, and I'm a Republican, George Bush immediately,
publicly proclaims that he knows who did it. Within a day.
He's on national TV saying, we're going to get Usama bin Laden.
All the networks are saying this. And I'm thinking to myself,
well, how do they know this?
I'm the vice chairman of the Defense Committee. This information wasn't transferred.
How do they know what I didn't know?
And then they magically find a passport on the ground up in New York that magically
fell out of an airplane when there's nothing but rubble around.
I said, wait a minute, this whole thing's a scam.
You're listening to The Corbett Report.
Welcome, friends. This is James Corbett of CorbettReport.com,
coming to you in September of 2025.
And as we approach the 24th anniversary of the events of September 11th, 2001,
I have a very special guest lined up for you today, specifically Congressman
Kurt Weldon, who you might know, or maybe not, represented Pennsylvania in Congress
for nearly 20 years. He's a graduate of Westchester University.
He also earned a degree in fire protection and served as a firefighter,
fire chief, and first volunteer administrator of the Delaware County Fire Academy.
He's testified in the federal courts and before Congress as an expert witness on fire issues.
He also served as vice chairman of both the Armed Services and the Homeland Security Committee.
And he will be a headline speaker at the Turning the Tide 9-11 Justice in 2025
conference in Washington, D.C.
That's going to be taking place from September 10th to September 12th,
helping to gain momentum for potentially a new investigation into the events of 9-11.
And the link to purchase tickets for that event will be available in the show
notes for today's conversation at CorbettReport.com but let's bring him on the
program Congressman Weldon, thank you very much for taking the time to talk with us today,
James, it's great to be with you and I want to start by applauding you and thanking
you for your diligence and hard work.
In bringing out the truth to the American people the families,
the firefighters and the world about what happened before, during and after
9-11 I appreciate that very much.
And for people of a certain vintage in the 9-11 truth movement like myself,
I'm sure they'll remember your impassioned speech on the House floor in defense
of Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer and the way that he was being railroaded
at the time in the cover up of the Able Danger program. Mr.
Speaker, this is not some third-rate burglary cover-up. This is not some Watergate incident.
This is an attempt to prevent the American people from knowing the facts about
how we could have prevented 9-11. And people are covering it up today.
And they're ruining the career of a military officer to do it.
And we can't let it stand.
But there are, I'm sure, people in the audience who don't remember those events,
let alone your other connections to 9-11.
In your own words, why don't you tell us not just about the Able Danger story,
but your experience of 9-11 and why you are motivated about seeking 9-11 justice.
Well, James, I'm a teacher by profession, educator at all levels,
from public school, middle school to college and university.
And then I worked for a large insurance company, the largest in North America,
where I was responsible for risk management, training all of their professionals
worldwide, and basically buildings and fire protection, loss control.
While doing that professionally, I grew up in a fire service family,
the youngest of nine, and became a volunteer firefighter when I was 16 and worked
my way up and became chief of the fire department,
state fire instructor, went back to school after I got my degree in education
and got a second degree in fire protection.
And when I went to Congress, there was no one focusing on the firefighters in
America, so I organized the fire caucus.
That caucus became and still is the largest in the Congress with 370 members
of the House and the Senate.
I was and still the leader, the founder.
People like Joe Biden, Al Gore, John McCain were all my co-chairs.
They did whatever I asked them to do.
I traveled to all 50 states. I went to every disaster within days of the disaster
happening, whether it was a hurricane, a flood or a tornado.
And I reported back to the Congress on what we should be doing to assist these local responders.
In that regard, I was on the scene at 93 World Trade Center attack the day after
it happened, at the invitation of the New York Fire Commissioner Howard Safer.
I spent the day there with he and DEA and FBI.
I went through the parking garage that had been bombed at the base of the Trade
Center, and I met a young fire officer who was rising up in the ranks named Ray Downey.
Ray would become one of my closest friends. This jacket I wear today was presented
to me by Ray Downey and the Fire Department of New York.
On 9-11, he was the chief of all rescue.
So he was the leader of the 343 firefighters, including himself,
that died in that disastrous attack.
I felt responsible for Ray's death, and I felt responsible because at the same
time I was representing all the firefighters in the country,
I was rising up in seniority on the Armed Services Committee,
which oversees the entire defense budget for America.
I was the vice chairman of the full committee with 60 members of the both parties,
and I was the chairman of the Oversight Committee for All Research Funding,
which at that time was about $180 billion a year.
So my job was to oversee the funding for all of our labs, for all of our,
we have 100 laboratories, including DARPA and laboratories that do work for
the intelligence community, black programs. I was funding them.
And so I had access to those programs if I wanted to get access because I had
the highest security clearances.
And in the late 90s, I did a hearing in 1997 on what I called asymmetric threats.
And I said the threats of the 21st century will not be what they are today.
And that hearing, which you can get from the congressional record,
focused on four key areas.
It focused on drones and the use of drones. Back then, no one was using drones.
Today, everyone uses drones.
The second was cyber. And that's where I got into the issues involving the intelligence
of our services and the lack of fusion. The third was EMP.
I wrote the EMP legislation, and I created the EMP commission.
My staffer was the director.
EMP is basically what's causing problems today, which leads to the fourth,
which is directed energy.
The U.S. and other countries are now using directed energy weapons,
not just to take apart material things, but to affect the human brain.
And the biggest concern I have for the future generations, and they're not aware of this right now,
is there is work going on in America and around the world on the use of wave
patterns to penetrate the brains of human beings to control their minds, their actions.
Without their having any ability to stop that from occurring.
That hearing took place in 1997, and as a result of that hearing,
I looked at what the services were doing in standing up information-dominant centers.
The Navy, Air Force, Army all had their own. The Army's program happened to
be at Fort Belvoir, which is 15 minutes from the Capitol.
So I would go down there, and I would look at what they were doing.
I didn't get ready to enter the program. I didn't need to be,
but I saw the process they were using and the fact that they were using new
tools. Two of them were Starlight and Spires.
They were software tools developed by one of our labs to do link analysis and
data fusion of massive amounts of data.
And what they were doing down at Fort Belvoir was not just taking military data,
but they were using open source data.
And I said, boy, this is really innovative. So I tested it a couple of times.
And in 1999, November the 4th, at the suggestion of Clinton's Deputy Defense
Secretary, John Hamry, he said to me, Congressman, you want to build a fusion
center for intelligence? I said, yes.
He said, I support you, but you've got to convince the FBI and the CIA,
the two big behemoths, to allow us to use their data.
There are 33 classified systems of the federal agencies, but the big ones are FBI and CIA.
So on November the 4th of 1999, in my office, I had Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamry.
I had the Deputy Director of the FBI and the Deputy Director of the CIA and
I handed them a proposal to create a fusion center we called it NOAA National
Operation Analysis Hub policy maker and war fighters tool to deal with emerging
transnational terrorist threats.
Henry said, we need it. I'll manage it. I said, I'll get it funded.
I'm the vice chairman of the committee chairman of Oversight.
The FBI said, we'll support it. And the CIA said, we don't want it.
And we're not supporting it.
Now, why did they say that is still the unknown question.
Did they not want other agencies to know what was at that time being planned
so other agencies could have access to information that they were going to be
bringing forth in a classified manner?
That question is yet to be answered. At the conference you alluded to,
I will have one of five intelligence officers have now come public with me.
It's not just me saying this.
The Able Danger team and the program at the Army was called Able Danger.
It was started by the Chief of the General Staff, Hugh Shelton,
personally, and he tasked the head of our Special Operations Forces,
General Schumacher, to run the program.
The program was housed at the Army's LEWA facility, which is what I visited,
and it was called Able Danger. I have a book ready to be published on it.
The purpose of Able Danger, established by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff, with about 20 professionals pulled from various agencies,
Army, Navy, Air Force, different intelligence, all intelligence leaders,
was to create this program, this capability,
to deal with Al-Qaeda.
On 9-11, I got five frantic phone calls on my cell phone.
The Capitol's under attack. The Trade Center had already been hit. I watched it on TV.
These frantic phone calls, individually, were from those five Army Intel officers.
Or not Army, they were from the Army Center. They said, we've got to see you
right away, Mr. Chairman. I said,
we're under attack. We've got to see you right away. It's about this.
I brought them to my office in the Rayburn building on Capitol Hill,
and they rolled out the charts.
I have the charts. I can show you the charts. At some point in time,
I'll get you copies. They're massive.
They had identified every cell of Al-Qaeda worldwide by name and face.
Every cell. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
Two years prior to 9-11.
One year prior to 9-11, they identified five key cells of Al-Qaeda.
In the hot spots where we had terrorist attacks occur. One was in Nairobi,
Kenya. One was in New York City.
In the New York City cell, they identified names of Al Qaeda associated with
that cell, including Muhammad Adda.
Now when I saw that on 9-11, and they came to me separately,
not together, I said, this is outrageous.
Did you transfer this information to the Justice Department?
And they said, we tried three times. We were blocked.
I have the name of the person in justice that was contacted who set the briefings up.
Give that name right now. Who is that? I can't give it to you right now, but I have it.
It's Tony Schaefer's high school friend. If you have Tony Schaefer on your show,
Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer, who will be at the program with me on September
11th. It was his high school friend.
And she will verify that she was in Department of Justice.
Tony contacted her to brief her three times. They canceled that briefing.
The briefing never occurred. The transmission of the information was never provided
to the Justice Department.
When 9-11 happened, I immediately got a call from the state fire marshal from
New York saying, Congressman, can you come to New York? I said,
there's no way to get there now.
The Amtrak shut down. I said, I'll be on the first train when they start running.
I was on the first Amtrak train in the Central Station. in New York,
the fire department picked me up and took me down to ground zero.
I was at ground zero at the headquarters of the fire department of New York
while they were cleaning up the site.
What really bothers me now is I never really in my mind even began to imagine
that what I was looking at was nowhere near what would be the results of two towers collapsing.
It just was not real. As I look back now, I can see that wasn't the case.
And I'm walking around the perimeter of the two towers because we're looking
for bodies. We're looking for 3,000 people.
And I'm helping Ray Downey's kids look for a son. Two of Ray Downey's sons are
firefighters in New York.
One today, Joe Downey, has his father's job. That's why I wear this jacket.
Joe Downey's the chief of all rescue in New York City Fire Department.
The other is also an officer, a battalion chief in New York City Fire Department.
I felt responsible that I allowed the CIA bureaucracy for whatever reason to back me down.
Then after 9-11, and I'm a Republican, George Bush immediately publicly proclaims
that he knows who did it within a day.
He's on national TV saying, we're going to get Usama bin Laden.
All the networks are saying this. And I'm thinking to myself,
well, how do they know this?
I'm the vice chairman of the Defense Committee. This information wasn't transferred.
How do they know what I didn't know?
And then they magically find a passport on the ground up in New York that magically
fell out of an airplane when there's nothing but rubble around?
I said, wait a minute, this whole thing's a scam.
So. Okay, you've already raised several points that I need to get clarification on.
For example, you raised the point that the CIA blocking the creation of the
NOAA Fusion Center. 100%. Sorry?
I'll take a polygraph. Yes, excellent. Okay, well, so you have said that why
was the CIA opposing that?
That's the mystery that needs to be solved, but you have also said,
quote, two of the hijackers that were on one of the planes in New York were working for the CIA.
They were on the CIA payroll, end quote. You are referring to Khalid Al-Maidar and Nawaf al-Hazmi?
I don't remember the names, but I was told by one of the, I have a written letter
that I have in my files, in my archives.
I have the largest archives in House history from a senior FBI official who
worked with one of my CIA friends who trusted me, who, by the way,
died mysteriously of fast-moving stomach cancer four years ago after he was
threatened by a guy that was one of three people in consideration to be the CIA director.
This man in New York is a multimillionaire, called my friend and said,
why are you helping Kurt Weldon?
And John Quirk said, because Kurt Weldon's an American patriot.
John Quirk died months later of fast-moving stomach cancer.
That's our country. Can you confirm that technology exists to give someone fast-moving cancer?
Is that something that the U.S. government does to its enemies?
Absolutely. And I have a second staffer. My staffer co-wrote the book with me
called Countdown to Terror, which I talked to you about.
Dr. Peter Pry worked for the CIA for 10 years. He was their top analyst on Soviet and Russia.
I brought him on my committee because I was working all the Russian issues.
I was the co-chairman of the Duma Congress with Steny Hoyer,
and I was co-chairman of the RADA Congress with Marcy Kaptur.
Peter worked for me. He was a brilliant analyst. He wrote 10 books about EMP.
When I couldn't get the response, and when 9-11 happened, I said,
Peter, we're getting information now that they're about to use Iran for another terrorist event.
I don't think it's the Iranian people, Peter. I think it's being done by intel
and Peter agreed with me because we knew then how bin Laden was placed in Iran.
He was placed there by intel. What people don't realize is, when Iran was our
ally and the Shah was in power, our intel people trained the Iranian intel.
People like Brennan and Clapper trained Iranian intel.
When the Ayatollahs took over, they didn't change their intel agency.
They didn't fire all the intel leaders.
They stayed in place in the IRG.
We controlled the IRG.
It didn't matter who ran Iran.
And what I found out through 10 silver bullets, and I'll be happy to go through
them, is that after 9-11, after George Bush stands up on a podium at 9-11,
and I'm a Republican, and puts his hand up in the air and says,
we're going to come and get you.
Bin Laden wasn't in Iran. I mean, he wasn't in Afghanistan.
He had been deliberately placed in Iran, in Baluchistan.
He was allowed to roam in Balochistan while we sent tens of thousands of American
kids to die in Afghanistan, allegedly looking for the guy that did 9-11. I say allegedly.
2,500, 2,500 of those soldiers came home in body bags.
It's important to clarify what you're saying here, because there are two possible readings of that.
One is that you're upset that the young men and women were sent overseas to
die in Afghanistan in the pursuit of this fictional terrorist boogeyman when
they should have been sent to Iran to die in pursuit of a fictional terrorist boogeyman.
Or are you saying that the fictional terrorist boogeyman asset,
whatever Osama bin Laden really was, was placed in Balochistan as a chess piece
in a much larger geopolitical chess game that involves an incredibly sensitive
region of the globe that just happens to be lusted after for its IP pipeline access,
as well as the port of Gwadar connecting a logistical corridor there between
China's Xinjiang and its route out to Africa?
I'll let you pursue that, but what I'll tell you, I can take a polygraph on,
and we'll do so publicly, and we'll state it here.
After 9-11, after Bush made his famous speech, I too thought that's where this
group was, in Afghanistan.
So what did I do? On my own, as the vice chairman of the Defense Committee, I didn't go to the CIA.
I didn't trust them. I went to friends that I knew that worked for Intel,
and there was a group in Washington called the Cockroaches.
They're all people that work for Intel agencies. They're all ex-military,
but they wanted the truth to come out.
And they would feed me raw data that wasn't being given to me as the vice chairman
of the Defense Committee.
And what bothered me was I would get reporters like Bill Gertz from the Washington
Times, a great defense writer, come up to me and he asked me a question about defense.
And I would say, Bill, that's crazy. Where'd you get it from?
He said, well, it's anonymous source, Congressman. I can't tell you who gave me that.
So I'd get back to the agency. I'd say, wait a minute.
You people gave him that information. I'm on the committee. I'm the vice chairman of the committee.
You're going to give it to a reporter who comes to me with anonymous source
and I have to respond to that?
I want the answer. What I did, I formed my own intel team.
I had 20 intel professionals. They didn't get any pay.
They met with me for breakfast once a week in the capital member's dining room privately.
And I said to them, I want you to feed me raw data.
Now, while this was going on, I took a delegation of three members of Congress
to Europe because the king of Afghanistan, Zahir Shah, was living in exile with his family.
I didn't want if we're sending troops into Afghanistan I didn't want the damage
done to our troops that they did to the Russian troops who had not been accepted in Afghanistan.
So since the king was in exile I went over and I met with the king I have the
photographs of me meeting in the home with two members of congress two or three I forget which,
meeting with King Zahir Shah to convince him to go back to Kabul and convene
a lawyer Jorga which is basically a meeting of all the 1,000 tribal leaders. The king agreed.
Went back to Afghanistan and convened a lawyer, Jorga. I was doing what I thought
was the right thing for our troops to protect them.
While that's happening, my intel team said to me, Mr. Chairman,
we've got some startling information here. What is it?
Well, we have information that Bin Laden's been sighted in a town called Ladez.
We don't know where that is.
We think it's not in Afghanistan.
I went up to the bookstore on Pennsylvania Avenue and bought a map. I still have the map.
I looked all over Afghanistan. I could not find the D's. I looked in Pakistan.
It wasn't there. I found the D's.
It's 10 kilometers inside the border of Pakistan in Iran, in Balochistan, in Iran.
So I go to a classified briefing for the full armed services committee.
60 members. I'm the chairman because the chairman wasn't there that day.
I'm the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee as vice chairman.
And I asked the question of the CIA.
I have information that Osama bin Laden has been cited in a town called Ladiz
and this is their response.
Mr. Chairman, we've had similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them.
I went through the roof. Here we are sending American kids over to Afghanistan
and my own CIA won't tell me that's impossible.
Three months later, my friends in Intel come back to me and say we have information
that Bin Laden's being treated at a medical hospital outside of Tehran.
I go back to the classified briefing, and I ask the same question.
And I get the exact same answer from the CIA.
We've had similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them.
Then I get a question from the most prominent Democrat in the House,
Jack Murtha, former Marine, chairman of Defense Appropriations.
He brings Ron Klink to me. Ron Klink's still alive. Jack Murtha's dead.
Ron will verify what I'm going to tell you.
Jack said, you've got to go see Kurt. Kurt will investigate what you have,
Ron. It was something about Iran.
So Ron Klink comes into my office with a tall gentleman who I still have all
his contact information.
And Ron said, Kurt, Jack sent me here. We'd like you to meet with this guy and
see what he has about Iran.
I said, OK. The guy comes into my office.
He was a knock for the CIA. You know what a knock is? Non-official cover.
That's right. He worked for our CIA in the Middle East.
And the guy went to Ron Klink, who went to Murta, to say, I want you to help me, Mr.
Vice Chairman, to get into Iran. I said, why do you want to go to Iran?
He said, that's where bin Laden is. I said, how do you know that bin Laden's in Iran?
He said, the people I worked with in that part of the world have told me they know he's there.
There's a $25 million reward for his arrest and capture. If you help me get
to Tehran, I'll leave my ID at the hotel and I will go down.
I'll bring him back dead or alive.
That's the third source. Then I get a request. It's really amazing.
I get a request from the Interior Department.
The Interior Department's top bird
expert wants to come in and bring the nation's number one falconer in.
They spotted Bin Laden's birds, didn't they?
That's right. The number one falconer in the world is a Maine citizen. His name is Alan Perot.
Alan Perot comes to my office with two falcons on his shoulders, beautiful birds.
And I said, now I'm on the Migratory Bird Commission overseeing all the refugees.
So I figured that's why he wanted to see me.
I had no idea what he was going to talk about. I thought it was about the birds.
And he says to me, Congressman, I want you to help me go to Tehran because I
can take America to where bin Laden is. I said, how do you know that?
My falconers are seeing bin Laden's birds flying in Iran.
I will tag his birds, and I will take America to exactly where bin Laden is.
Alan Perot wanted me to be involved in a movie called Feathered Cocaine,
which only was produced.
But what they did to my family, they ruined my daughter's life,
and my son died several years later.
I said, I'm not going to get involved in a movie. I kept out of it.
I got a call from two people, Michael Scheuer.
Michael Scheuer was career CIA.
Michael was the director of the Bin Laden Task Force. Michael called me at my
home and said, Congressman Weldon, do you remember me? I said, yes.
He said, Congressman, what this man is telling me, I think is true,
because as the CIA Task Force director, I was supposed to have been given every
piece of information, and he's given me stuff that I never saw.
We want you involved as we do this movie. I said, Michael, I'm not getting involved. But thank you.
Three months later, General McInerney calls me. Tom McInerney at my home.
Same question. Congressman, we're working with a falconer. We'd like you to
be invited. General, I respect you.
I'm not going to have my family destroyed by scumbags.
Scumbags. Now, look, I always respected the agency, and I still do.
I have friends that work in the agency. There are some good people there,
but there are scumbags there that have made millions, millions off the backs
and lives of American young people and people around the world.
Look, this is the point, though. This is the fundamental institutional point.
People talk about the CIA, for example, as if it is a monolithic institution
rather than a series of firewalls around these various groups that are working
sometimes right next to each other, but in complete secrecy in terms of what
they're doing. They don't even know what their neighbor is doing.
This is the point. It is these little firewalled enclaves. And if,
for example, they want an excuse to go into Iran, they can create the terrorist
boogeyman excuse to go into Iran.
That is the point. And I think we run the risk of losing sight if we keep following
this Osama bin Laden thread as if that was the important part of this.
No, 9-11 was a much bigger operation than that.
And I don't disagree with you, but let me go back to why I feel the way I feel,
because it doesn't end there.
I eventually, as the U.S., the 9-11 Commission was a total fraud and a total cover-up.
Zelikow was picked because he was Rice's friend. So Rice put Zelikow in to run
the commission, and the Democrats put Jamie Gurelick on the commission.
They ran the commission.
Jamie Gurelick was the lawyer who, when worked for Bill Clinton in the Pentagon,
wrote the firewall memo that said you can't transfer military intelligence to
civilian law enforcement. They ran the commission.
Some of the commissioners are friends of mine. And they told me.
They knew they were being denied the facts and details about the 9-11 commission.
What I did, because I did a lot of work in the Middle East, I did work for all
the GCC countries and I traveled to Israel there's no country that can say they
don't know Kurt Weldon and respected me all of them.
Two of the royal family members of two royal families, one in Kuwait and one
in Saudi Arabia, verified to me in person that they knew that bin Laden was in Iran.
They knew that bin Laden was in the ultimate.
Was I met with a guy who had been a knock for agency for 50 years.
He's not a U.S. citizen. He lives abroad.
In fact, he lives in the Middle East.
He's in his close to 80 now. Very still, very alert.
I've been with him probably 25 times. When he first approached me through one
of the people he handled, I said, I don't want to work for any agency, so don't even ask me.
And he said, no, you have a lot of contacts and people respect you around the world.
You've been to 104 countries and they all respect, because you weren't out putting
your hand out for money or trying to cause problems.
I said, well, if it helps the country, I'll talk to you. So we've become friends.
He said to me in a meeting in Bahrain on one of my trips six years ago he calls
me my dear he said my dear you were correct he said bin Laden was in Iran after
9-11 I said why would you say that,
he said because I was in the room,
acting on behalf of US interests to give the US plausible liability when the
deal was cut to place bin Laden in Balochistan I was in the room.
Five years ago, we killed Soleimani.
I text my friend. Was that the guy?
Within five seconds, he texts back, yes. The deal was not cut with the Iranian government.
It was not cut with Ahmadinejad.
It was cut with the head of the IRG, Soleimani. And that's why we killed Soleimani.
Because Soleimani was the guy that broke the deal to allow bin Laden to be placed
in Iran without the knowledge of the Iranian government.
The Birdman went up to the U.N. many times, and he actually got George Stephanopoulos
to ask the question of Ahmadinejad.
George Stephanopoulos used to work on the House floor as a lackey for Dick Edport.
I know George Stephanopoulos when he was a lackey on the House floor.
And he got George Stephanopoulos, the TV guy, to ask the question of Ahmadinejad, jokingly.
Mr. Leader, you know, there are people over here saying that you're harboring bin Laden.
And Ahmadinejad said, no way would we ever harbor that man in our country. He went back to Tehran.
He did his research. And he found out he was in Iran. And he was placed there by the IRG.
That's when they kicked him over to Pakistan.
Now, the full dimension of what you're talking about, the bigger picture,
I don't know that. I can tell you this.
The book that I published about Iran in 2005 was because I feared our intelligence
agency was going to use Iran for another attack.
I wrote this book with Peter Pry. This book, and you see the front cover,
and it says right on the front cover, top secret information being ignored by
the CIA. I took them on publicly.
This book was endorsed by Jim Woolsey, former CIA director, with a three-page letter.
This book was endorsed by Jack Caravelli, Al Gore's CIA advisor.
They both endorsed the book in 2005. One year later, the deep state took me
out of office because I was going to become the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.
And they knew they couldn't control me and they knew that all 60 members of
the committee would do whatever I wanted.
In addition to my book being published, there's a huge Iranian diaspora in the U.S.
A million Iranians primarily living in Southern California.
When I wrote my book, they invited me out to speak.
They gave me an award out there from the Engineers Society and I spoke.
I did live TV interviews to the TV networks broadcasting into Iran. I did five shows.
I offered to debate the Ayatollah personally in Tehran I offered to go there
on the show the Iranians took my book on their own published my book in Farsi there it is.
Countdown to Terror in Farsi, it became a very popular book in Iran because
it says the Iranian people are not the enemy of America.
Well, this is the point. I mean, yeah, what you talk about in Countdown to Terror
is, of course, going to appeal to the elements in Iranian society that are against
the theocratic regime, of course.
In the same way, Ahmed Chalabi appealed to a certain segment of Iraq,
but it's a neocon wet dream to get the U.S.
Military into another part of the globe. That's what that kind of intel is about.
And in Countdown to Terror, there's no differentiation between the Iranian government
and the IRG. You weren't making those kinds of distinctions.
We didn't know that at the time.
Well, exactly. So in a sense, you were being played by information that was
being precluded from you. Everybody in Congress is being played.
I mean, that's nothing new. Exactly.
Exactly. That's the whole point of these intelligence operations.
I was there for 20 years. I never played a game they played.
I couldn't trust the CIA. I told you that at the beginning of the interview.
I could not trust the CIA. I know. I formed my own team. I had my own intel
coming to me. Because I couldn't trust the CIA.
Because they lied all the time. Did you see the WikiLeaks report with the former
head of the CIA, Mike Pompeo? Did you see it? Yeah.
What's the cadet motto at West Point? You will not lie, cheat,
or steal, or tolerate those who do.
I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole.
We had entire training courses.
That's our director of the CIA. It's got to stop.
And until that stops, it's going to continue. Peter Pry died of fast-moving
stomach cancer about nine months apart from John Quirk,
who had been threatened by a former international CIA leader who's a scumbag
making a ton of money based in New York.
I'm sick of them. And I don't care. All they can do now is kill me.
And you know what I've said on 10 podcasts? I'll surround CIA headquarters with 600 firetrucks.
Let those jackasses explain to the American people why 600 firetrucks are surrounding
CIA headquarters. Because it's out of control.
I did that when I wanted to give interoperable communications for firefighters.
I surrounded the Capitol building with 300 firetrucks. And I put ladders up
against the Capitol itself.
The firefighters know. They're no longer stupid.
And they're tired of being pleased. Excellent to hear, because we do need more
people who know about what's really going on here. But the question is, what do they know?
Who killed those firefighters on 9-11?
I don't know that. I don't know. In the end, I don't know who actually I have.
I mean, the dark secrets and where this will end up.
I think it involved another country, obviously.
And you have to think of who would have the ultimate incentive to want to create
the most outrage in America to justify sending tens of hundreds of thousands
of American kids to war, primarily in the Middle East.
Or any rocket scientist could figure that maybe every
ordinary person could figure that out i don't want to go there until i have
factual proof i don't have factual proof today what i can talk about i have
factual proof of and i will take a polygraph everything that i know about and
i have not just myself the able danger team five of them are now talking publicly.
That's to kill five people one was
air force intelligence one was naval intelligence an Naval Academy grad.
One was Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer, Army Intelligence.
They're all now willing to tell the truth because they care about this country.
Congressman Weldon, did Building 7 kill itself? No, it was brought down through
controlled demolition.
I mean, anyone, first of all, there's a tape of Donald Trump being interviewed
on September the 11th by a New York station.
You can see him standing there and the microphone in his face and the reporter
says, Mr. Trump, you're one of our premier developers.
Did you see Building 7? That wasn't hit by a plane.
Donald Trump said, that was controlled demolition.
On 9-11, Donald Trump said Building 7 was controlled demolition.
The key thing that people have to listen to, because back in January,
I kept quiet for 18 years for obvious reasons.
They took my family apart. What do you do?
I couldn't trust them. It was both parties. I grew up next to Joe Biden.
He grew up in Plamont, Delaware. I grew up in Marcus Hook. I've known Biden for 40 years.
When my son died, Joe Biden drove from Washington and spent three hours standing
in line at the funeral because his daughter, Ashley, was my son's classmate at Archmere Academy.
I know. But Joe wasn't in control.
Obama wasn't in control.
Bush 43 was not in control. And the Clintons were scumbags. Is Donald Trump in control?
Well, at least he's willing to stand up and take, when he took away the security
clearances for the 51 that I know, that's when I said I'll talk.
No one else had that kind of guts. No one.
No one had the guts to stand up and take away the clearances of John Brennan
and Clapper and Bolton and all the rest of them that I knew he did.
I don't never met Trump. I don't know the man. Don't never met him.
All I know is I don't know who else is going to take on this system.
I can complain all I want and go around screaming and yelling,
give me money, give me money. That's not going to solve the problem.
You have to have a leader that has guts.
And I've never met Trump, but he had the guts to say, I'm taking away the security
clearances. I said, well, then I'll talk.
And so in April, I did the first podcast with Tucker. I've done 10.
We've got 20 million views. And I'm not going to stop. Now, my goal is I have
an agenda for the firefighters.
It's not the 9-11 agenda. The reason I went to 9-11 is I came out with a fire
EMS 290 plan because they're hurting right now.
They're my people. There are 2 million of them in 55,000 stations,
30,000 departments, paid and volunteered. They're not being listened to.
That's my goal. And what I said to the 9-11 groups that are out there,
I said, you know, you have a good message, but nobody's paying attention to you.
You've got to relate to the people who everyone in every town respects in every poll in America.
I was the keynote speaker at the California Fire Chiefs a year ago. And I told them this.
700 fire chiefs from California. I said, stop sucking up the politicians.
I said, the popularity of both political parties is no higher than 45%.
I said, police are around 50%, and I support the police.
The military is around 50%, and I support the military. In every poll,
in every state, firefighters and EMS are 98% supported.
Tell the story through the eyes of the firefighter. And I would say this is very important.
If you really want your viewers to get the ultimate story, there's a film that
came out that I wasn't aware of until last year that you need to get to do them for free.
It's an hour and a half long and it wasn't done by Hollywood.
You can't trust Hollywood.
They're a bunch of losers. This film was done by firefighters.
It's called Bravo 7 2020. I will provide it through you or directly if they contact me.
I've sent out tens of thousands of Bravo 7.
Bravo 7 specifically goes through Building 7.
And it explains what happened. Two things I want to mention to you.
The government touts the NIST report of Bravo 7.
The NIST report. Like they're the almighty agency.
Now look, I'm a big supporter of technology. I was a head of fire and EMS at my insurance company.
My first term in Congress, I go to Washington.
I'm assigned to the Longworth building, two doors from Speaker Wright's office suite.
Seven o'clock at night, his office catches on fire.
I do what any firefighter would do. I have my staff call the alarm in.
I go up, kick the door open, got down on my hands and knees,
crawled in to make sure the staff was out.
The building, to make a long story short, the extinguishers weren't charged.
There was no hose in the hose station. There was no sprinklers,
no alarm system, no automatic recall of elevators.
No alarm system. Let me guess. The building completely collapsed in on its own footprint, right?
Yeah. Well, that could be. But NIST, this agency that claims they're the ultimate,
allowed 535 members of Congress to work in six buildings that would be in violation
of every building and fire code in the world.
The life safety code is the NFPA standard for buildings like that, seven stories high.
This building was in total violation where every member of Congress worked,
where blind people went, where handicapped people went.
So NIST is a bunch of garbage. They have no credibility.
I wrote the next day, the Speaker's Chief of Staff called me.
I was a freshman Republican, and he said, the Speaker will do whatever you want, Congressman.
I said, I want a special commission to retrofit these buildings.
Go back and check the records of the Congress. The next day,
I offered a privileged resolution. It passed the House with the Speaker's support.
A four-member commission was named. I was on it. We retrofitted every building
on Capitol Hill with sprinklers, detectors, and alarms.
That wasn't done because of NIST. It was done in spite of NIST.
NIST has no credibility.
And for anyone to say NIST is the answer for Building 7 is garbage.
The second point I want to make about this whole issue is the film I talked to you about, Bravo 7.
In there, you'll hear a one audio segment that they tried to hide from the people.
And the New York Times went to court and were able to get it released under a FOIA.
It's the audio communication of Battalion Chief Orio Palmer.
As he takes his group of firefighters, fully equipped with 40 pounds of gear
each, They go into one of the elevators in the building, the tower.
They go up to the 40th floor. He gets the elevator working.
Right after the plane hits, they get off the elevator at the 40th floor,
and then you hear him talk in the film.
And you hear Battalion Chief Palmer say, we're on the 40th floor,
and we're going up. Everything's okay.
We're on the 50th floor. Knock it down with three lines is, I think, what they get to, right?
They get up, they climb up to the 78th floor.
They come out of the stair tower. And you hear him as plain as day say,
we're on the 78th floor, the floor of impact.
We've got two fires and we can handle them.
We've got two, I'm sorry, the pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it
down with two lines. Let me know that.
78th floor, and it's number 1045, call one. Ah!
And the building collapses one minute later. Anyone who believes the story of
our government has accepted the biggest conspiracy theory in the history of mankind.
Well, Congressman Weldon, the most infuriating part of all of that is that I
heard those clips when they were first released nearly two decades ago,
and it is gobstopping to me that there are Americans out there who haven't heard
that yet. That is insane.
And that's why my message when I met with the fire, the 9-11 groups was,
I said, look, my goal is the firefighters. That's my life.
You need to get, you know, the government has, if you listen to the tape by
the former CIA director, they have whole courses on how to lie, on how to manipulate.
They train their agency people, and the media is totally, the media won't let
me come on. I used to be on the media all the time. I was on CNN.
I was on, I mean, that's why Tucker Carlson took me, because he knew me.
And Tucker was appalled when I finally got to interact. They don't want to,
I'll tell you who interviewed me.
Dennis Kucinich, a big supporter of mine, Democrat, asked me to meet with Seymour
Hersh six years ago, five years ago. So I said, I don't want any more stories, Dennis.
He said, will you meet with him? I met with Seymour Hersh in a hotel in Washington,
just he and I. And I showed him what I have and talked to him about everything.
And he said to me, you have one hell of a story, Congressman.
And he said, but, you know, I can't take what you're saying.
I said, I'm not asking you. You have no permission to publish anything.
We met four months later.
And he said to me, Congressman, I verified every fact in detail. you gave me.
He said, everything you said is true. Brennan and Clapper wanted you out.
They went to Mueller, asked Mueller to do a favor, disrupt your election.
Three weeks before the election, Mueller sends Sklamburg to raid your daughter's house.
Sklamburg was the same lawyer that cut the plea bargain for Sandy Berger when
he stole the documents out of the archives, remember?
When he stole the five documents and destroyed them, he committed 11 felonies.
Sklamburg cut it down to one misdemeanor. That's the guy that sent agents to
my daughter's house. They never talked to my daughter, ever.
Never talked to her. No charge. Charges, right? Ultimately, no charges.
Charges? They never talked to her! They never questioned her! Nothing!
But it's worse. Let me tell you the story that you're really going to love.
You're going to love this story.
The same day they raided my daughter's house, they raided a lawyer in my county,
a Democrat named John Gallagher.
So agents went to his office in Philadelphia. They shut down Market Street.
They had helicopters overhead.
They had dogs. You know, it was a typical raid from Washington.
The idiots never bothered to check that on the day that John Gallagher's law
office was raided, because he was a friend of mine, He had been working for
FBI counterintelligence against Russia for two years.
So the counterintelligence agents handling John went to his office on that morning and said, Mr.
Gallagher, we don't know what's going on, but there's people coming up from
Washington, and don't say anything because you're working for us on sensitive matters.
So he had two sets of agents in the same office at the same time.
Now I have all this on tape.
And the counterintelligence people are saying, John, don't answer anything.
The FBI from Washington sent by the scumbags don't know why they're being sent.
So the first question they ask, well, Mr. Gallagher, isn't it true that you're
related to Congressman Kurt Weldon?
And John starts laughing at them.
He said, you're from the FBI. You come all the way from D.C.
And the first question you ask me is, am I related to Kurt Weldon because his
wife's maiden name is Gallagher? And you have bothered to check that?
I know who told them that information. I know the person.
And I know the person that told the FBI that lie. Now, it gets better.
So John said, look, what do you hear? They apologized to John.
And by the way, the agency gave John contracts after that to keep him quiet.
But John said, what do you really want? They wanted two files.
One file was about some Moldovan company that John's client said,
because John represented a lot of Russians in Philadelphia and Ukrainians.
But this is what they really wanted.
The Philadelphia population northeast is heavily made up of Ukrainians and Russians,
just the way it is, like Chicago is a lot of Ukrainians.
So a lot of them drive taxi cabs in Philly. They use John for their legal practice.
So John had lawyers that spoke Russian and Ukrainian that he represented.
We had a 20-year-old boy in the Russian Far East named Alexander Koshin.
He was in a car that was hit broadside by a drunken State Department employee named Douglas Kent.
Drunk in a personal car, which is against protocol. He caused the 20-year-old boy to be quadriplegic.
The family of the 20-year-old boy lived in Philly. They called Mr.
Gallagher and said, will you help us? We don't want any money.
We just want to get our son rehabbed.
John took the case pro bono. He got the Bar Association involved.
John did all the research. I have the file in my archives. John has the original file.
Douglas Kent, when he hit that kid, wasn't just a senior State Department employee in Vladivostok.
He was our top CIA operative in the Russian Far East.
And when Douglas Kent was hired by the CIA, Douglas Kent was the vice chairman
of the American Nazi Party.
And in the file, John has a photograph of Douglas Kent in a Nazi uniform.
And I have that photo in my file also.
That's what the CIA wanted. The fact that they hired the former chairman of
the American Nazi Party to work as an operative for them overseas.
It's all there. It's all a record.
Congressman Weldon, this conversation has taken a lot of turns,
and I would still like to talk to you about the Cox Committee.
I'd like to talk to you about North Korea and nuclear proliferation,
etc. But I think we'll leave those topics for another time.
Let's turn our attention back to the Turning the Tide conference.
When is it taking place? Where? What are you going to be speaking about?
What do you hope to accomplish with this?
Again, my involvement with the 9-11 folks came about because I kept quiet since
2006 when they ended my career.
And I didn't speak out. I decided to speak out actually last fall when Trump
won, and he took away the clearances.
And I called all the 9-11 groups together on a phone conversation.
And I said, look, I want to help you.
My goal was to help the firefighters. I have an agenda called Fire EMS 290.
Which has eight task forces to help them and I have the funding for that lined
up and I said and I understand your concern and I want to help you with this
but you can't allow the media,
and the agency to portray you as being you know conspiracy theorists or wackos
or I said that's what they've done you've got to get a base of people that are
the bedrock of the communities in America I said that's the firefighters.
Remember I said 343 firefighters were slaughtered at 9-11.
I'm a firefighter. I'm wearing the shirt of the firefighter.
I was there at both times. They're not going to bullshit me.
If you let the firefighters know,
that they have been used and abused by bureaucracy, they will rise up.
It's just like what happened out in California with the wildland fires.
You know, it was a total nightmare.
They cut the budget of the fire department by 20%. What did the mayor of L.A.
Do? She fired the fire chief, and it was a female.
So firefighters now understand. And so my goal has been to rally the firefighters.
And I've said to them, we have to get Trump to support this agenda.
One of the task forces separate from this is the 9-11 Commission, which I proposed.
They produced this document, at my suggestion.
I've given out hundreds of these in Washington. This document calls for President
Trump to name a new, not a new, there has never been a 9-11 commission.
That was a 9-11 piece of crap.
A presidential 9-11 commission made up of people with integrity.
I don't want some has-beens who work for the agencies. I want people,
I want firefighters. I want engineers.
I want people like you who ask tough questions. I want people who know about
the systems that control airplanes remotely that I know we have.
I want people who know about thermite and know about explosives.
I want those people involved in doing the investigation. The facts are all there.
But until we get a presidential commission, we're not going to get the answers.
And so this meeting, and I did my best to get bipartisan support.
I've met with Ron Johnson now five times. Ron's going to show up and speak.
He's a Senate Oversight Chairman, very strong man of integrity.
He supports the firefighters nationwide.
Dennis Kucinich is going to come. I met with Dennis just recently.
He will be speaking. I'll be introducing him on the 11th.
Tony Schaefer, Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer is coming. We've got people from
intelligence, from the agency. I understand that one of the former CIA operatives is coming.
We've got family members. so we're broadening the base of the message that you've
been talking about for how many years? 20 years? How many years have you been doing this?
Almost 20. Sorry, it's almost 20. Well, we need you to keep that up,
but we need to give you the base.
And I can tell you, it's resonating.
After I did Tucker's show, I mean, I got overwhelmed. I couldn't even respond to people. I feel bad.
Ask people to get a copy of the film for free, either through you or through me.
Bravo 7, produced by firefighters. That will open their eyes,
and they will see the lies. They will see this country right now is not being
run by elected officials.
It's being run by anonymous people who think like Pompeo said,
we lied, we cheated, and we stole.
That's not what we voted for. If I said that running for office, I wouldn't get elected.
Here's the CIA director laughing about it. Oh, yeah, that's what we did when
I was CIA director. And he was CIA director under which president again?
Oh, right, President Trump. He was senator under Trump and State Department.
But look, I say this to you. Trump, the people around Trump, he doesn't know.
And this is the problem. I told Trump's people in 2016.
He doesn't know the deep state. If he wins, which I thought he would back then
because Hillary's a scumbag.
If he wins, they will dismantle his ability to understand the deep state. What did they do?
They took out Mike Flynn in the fall.
I know Mike Flynn. by taking out Mike Flynn Trump had no one,
that could give him any idea of how the deep state operates so he was like a
baby in the woods for four years so he was a baby in the woods being manipulated
by a bunch of people who think they're in control laughing at him working with
people like Schumer and Nancy Pelosi who are both scumbags I worked with them,
Nancy Pelosi made tons of hundreds of millions of dollars off of her job.
And Trump, so for the first four years, didn't know what he didn't know when he got taken.
Now he at least understood. But there's still people around Trump that he doesn't
really fully know and doesn't fully vet it. And I've tried to help him with that as well.
I had a meeting with the department. It gives Trump an easy out for anything
that goes wrong and any other shenanigans that go on under him.
I have zero trust or faith in the presidency at all, period.
But I do hope that at the very least, we can raise awareness amongst the public
who can bring the real pressure that can actually make a difference here.
We are trying to rewrite the history books, and that is not going to be done
by a president. That is going to be done by people getting to the heart of the matter.
You're absolutely right. And here's what Cy Hurst said to me when I met four
months after we met the first time. He said, Congressman – now,
you knew Cy Hurst. He wrote the Pentagon Papers.
He's a very respected investigative reporter by everybody. He said to me,
no producer, no publisher will tell your story.
Listen to me again. Cy Hirsch, the most respected investigative reporter in
the country, says to me, no reporter, no publisher will tell your story.
Even though I verified everything, they will not tell your story.
That's the problem. I can't manipulate the media to tell the story.
All I can do is my part as you're doing. And that's why I've now done podcasts
and will continue until they try to end it.
And even members of Congress, I can't tell you members that are afraid.
I talk to members. They know what's going on, but they're afraid.
Well, Congressman Weldon, you
know, and I know that people have been assassinated for less than this.
So I know that it is not nothing that you are out there saying this sort of
stuff and bringing attention to it and talking at something like this Turning the Tide conference.
So I, this is, I am cautiously excited to see what comes of this,
because as you say, once we start connecting with the people,
the people who do not know this basic information, have not heard the recordings,
for example, of the firefighters in the building, etc.
Once this information is more widely spread, I think we both know it will have an effect.
So let's continue working towards that. And I hope that we get the chance to
talk in more detail about this. I hope so too. I have the largest oral history
in the history of the House.
It was done by the past president of the National Association of Oral Historians.
So we have 100 hours of digitized interviews.
All digitized, annotated, indexed. Never been released.
I have multiple copies of the hard drive. Each of my kids have one.
Others have them. So they can't destroy it. It's recorded.
These are with agents. They're with operatives.
They're with Democrat and Republican members. And I would say to my friends
listening who are the scumbags, I've documented everything about you on interviews, your names,
what role you played, what ties you had, and what lies you did to this country
and to the people. So they can take me out.
They can't destroy all of that documentation.
And my best friends today are people in, I'm with three federal judges in Washington.
Judge Sullivan was the chief counsel for the Pentagon.
I'm in his office. I don't pay any rent. They invited me to come there 10 years
ago. That's where I have all my meetings.
They know, they know in the deep state that I'm just not some guy out there on my own.
They know I'm telling the truth. I don't have any money coming in.
These scumbags that leave the agency and make all this money make me sick to
my stomach. They don't care about the country.
They don't care about, they're not doing what they're doing for the good of mankind.
They're not doing what they're doing to help people. They're doing it because
they want to get more money for themselves. They're scumbags.
We've got to expose the scumbags.
Exactly right. Well, let's continue operating in that spirit and going forward
in that direction. But I think we'll leave this conversation here for today.
I hope we get the chance to talk again in the future. Congressman Kurt Weldon,
thank you for your time today.
Thank you. Thank you.