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Welcome back, friends. Welcome back to The Corbett Report. This is James Corbett
of CorbettReport.com, coming to you in July of 2025 with a conversation on the agentic state.
Specifically, we are talking about a white paper that was recently released
by the Global Government Technology Center in Berlin.
Now, you might be asking yourself, what is the Global Government Technology Center?
And what is the agentic state? And what does this have to do with the price
of tea in China? Well, if those are your questions, I have some answers for you.
More specifically, I think today's guest will have some answers for you.
He is none other than Jacob Nordengard, who you will undoubtedly be familiar
with by now, at least from our previous conversations.
Please check the Corbett Report archives if you are not familiar with that,
and please check out his work directly. Of course, he is at jacobnordengard.se.
He's also at the Pharos Chronicles on Substack. He's also the Mad Doctor in
Wardenclyffe, if you happen to be musically inclined.
But let's bring him back on the program. Jacob, thank you for joining us again today.
Yeah, thanks for having me, James.
It is my pleasure to have you. Well, it would be a pleasure if we weren't talking
about such serious subject matter, but here we go again, back into the heart of darkness.
Specifically, a recent article on Welcome to Your Nightmare,
the externalization of the agentic state.
So I guess we should probably start with those basic introductory questions
that I raised at the beginning here.
Specifically, what is the Global Government Technology Center,
and what does it have to say about the agentic state?
Well, this center it's part of the
World Economic Forum Center for the 4th Industrial Revolution Network and,
They started this center.
October last year. It was decided during the Davos Summit in 2024 that they
would create this center and,
They happen to think that Berlin
was the perfect location for this
center and since they
have also started a center in Kiev in Ukraine and they have invited United Arab
Emirates as a founding member to this network.
What they are doing. It's about GovTech.
And GovTech is how the Fourth Industrial Revolution will transform governments
within the next couple of years.
You know, I recently had a podcast about algocracy,
which is a term that we could use for the coming of this algorithmically defined
government that governments around the world are really starting to talk about
and start to starting to implement.
But here it is actually a sort of white paper blueprint roadmap for how to start
implementing AI technology in everyday governance so that we can be more effectively
ruled over by our AI overlords.
This is the agentic state which they're seeking to bring about in which this
white paper goes through.
Tell us about this concept of the agentic state and what it entails.
Yes the agentic state and this
is the quote from the report signifies a
fundamental shift in governance where ai systems can
perceive reason and act with minimal human
intervention to deliver public value so it basically means that they will don't
humans are in the way in government it's more efficient to do it with AI agents instead.
So that's what the agentic state is.
And also they talk about agentic AI.
And I have another definition from this is from IBM.
Identic AI is an artificial intelligence system that can accomplish a specific
goal with limited supervision.
It consists of AI agents, machine learning models that mimic human decision
making to solve problems in real time.
In a multi-agent system, each agent performs a specific task,
subtask required to reach the goal and their efforts are coordinated through AI orchestration.
How does that sound that doesn't sound very
appealing to me but i understand why it would
appeal to the technocrats who are seeking to consolidate power in fewer and
fewer hands and then to essentially automate the enslavement of the tax cattle
which is exactly what is happening here and as you go on to talk about in your
article they in this report which we will Well, of course, it will be linked up in the show notes.
I hope people will go and actually read this report for themselves.
Please do not take Jacob's word for it. Do not take my word for it.
Go and read it for yourself.
So you can see we're not joking around about this. They are absolutely proposing
the essentially the the dawning of the AI governance.
But as you say, they describe 10 functional layers of government ordered in
three dimensions, operations, regulation and government governance and foundations.
And it ranges from the seemingly innocuous service delivery.
Oh, they'll be able to offer services in any language with personal concierge
services. It will be 24-7. It'll be so convenient.
Or internal workflows from manual casework to outcome-driven agents with humans on the loop.
Okay, great. But it starts to get pretty ominous pretty quickly,
specifically as you talk about a couple of the categories here really are,
well, deserve further scrutiny, specifically the crisis response and resilience,
and also compliance and reporting.
Can you tell us how these particular manifestations of AI governance are going
to be used to more perfectly enslave humanity?
Well, they talk in this report about polycrisis or polycrisis management.
Polycrisis, this is a term that I think it originated with World Economic Forum originally,
and it has since been used by my fellow countryman Johan Rockström,
a very prominent climate scientist,
and also Antonio Guterres from the UN Secretary General,
and they are warned what will happen if we don't act and put this new system
together to confront this polycrisis. crisis.
And this is mentioned in this white paper.
It states that our world isn't prepared for this world of cascading,
geopolitical, technical, environmental and social shocks.
But they have the solution
it can be counted
with what we label as intelligent systems
and in intelligent systems is it's a system without humans and if we have a
crisis scenario coming on.
Maybe it's a pandemic or maybe it could be a climate disaster of some sort or,
we also talk about disinformation that could be harmful for society as a whole,
and in that case this could trigger a hyper aware AI orchestrated first response.
Does that sound creepy does it remind us of something.
If someone has watched some sci-fi
movies from the 80s maybe ah yes
well there is always the specter of
Skynet hanging over this conversation in general but even more creepily what
really stuck out to me as you rightly point out part of the crisis response
This proposal that they are putting in this agentic state white paper is a simulation
infrastructure with the claimed ability to predict the future.
Oh, great. So it will be able to, of course, not only sort out this polycrisis
in real time as it's developing, but even warn us about it before it develops.
Everything we do will be analyzed and simulated with the help of virtual twins,
which is a particularly interesting idea
because it goes back to what I have been talking about for a decade
and a half now with regards to research that
is at least two and a half decades old by now about
the creation of your digital twin in the program whose name is escaping my attention
as I am speaking but Brock will handily put the image on screen for people because
I will remember it as soon as we're done speaking I forget what it was called at the time oh,
Sentient World Simulation that is it,
which was a DARPA sponsored project from over two decades ago, that suddenly went.
Who knows where it went it just suddenly disappeared and they stopped talking
about it but even at that time two decades ago they were working on a virtual
digital twin of every single person on the planet feeding it in all this data
so it could predict the future and here it is rising again in this agentic state
white paper what a coincidence what do you think about that.
Yeah, there's no coincidences.
It's just the right time for them now and this is a part of the revolution.
The fourth industrial revolution started with the Covid spectacle.
And and now and and they have released a couple of other other reports about
this shift and they also this is of course it's a big business opportunity,
with governments all over the world transforming so they say World Economic Forum, in a report,
9.8 trillion US dollars.
So it's a huge market for these tech giants.
And as we know, these people are in charge.
They are the masters. So it's very hard to avoid this scenario.
And as you point out in the subtitle even, this is the externalization of the
agentic state in the same way we're seeing the externalization of the hierarchy in 2025, I suppose.
So here comes the mechanism by which this hierarchy is going to inflict its
rule on the population just in time for this 2025 great unveiling.
So this does tie into a lot of
the work that you've been doing along these lines. Tell people about that.
Yes, it's from my book, The Temple of Solomon book, where I talk about Luce's trust.
The neo-theosophy of Alice Bailey and the books she authored with the help from
one of the hidden masters of Tibet,
Jhwal Kul.
And in one of his books, Externalization of the Hierarchy,
I mean it's his
words he says that from
2025 the hierarchy will
begin to externalize and as I mentioned in our earlier episodes we have seen
some of the masters coming out the real power players that now are more visible.
It's their world and that's their technologies and they are the ones that will
define the broad suicidal,
suicidal I said that.
The broad goals for society.
Maybe the suicidal goals. Yeah, that was a Freudian kind of thing.
Well, I shouldn't be laughing, but it's kind of serious.
We laugh not to cry, as I often have the opportunity to observe here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's so...
It's so idiotic and that it's just this sci-fi dystopia scenario and it's like
they actually think this is a good thing to do.
For people to get a handle on what this can involve, one of the things that
you include in your article is the throwback to Al Gore's climate trace,
which I believe he unveiled at the World Economic Forum or talked about at some point,
which is going to be, how do we enforce compliance of these regulatory emissions,
curbing greenhouse gas agreements that all these countries are signing?
How can we keep track of it?
Oh, I know, we'll have satellites in the air that will be keeping track of all
emissions at all times, and oh, by the way, probably everything else people
are doing and where they're going on a daily basis and all of that,
but at any rate, that will not be, of course,
looked over and studied and analyzed by human beings.
It will be fed into the algorithmic data beast, and the AI will tell us who
is being a good boy and who is being a naughty boy, exactly like, for example,
Palantir's AI systems were being used by the IAEA to tell us that Iran is getting,
oh, there's something wrong there.
I think they're being naughty boys, which led to the censure of Iran by the
IAEA and then the subsequent bombing of Iran. This.
Is how things work in the new world order. Some algorithm somewhere will determine
whether or not you are in compliance with the rules that have been laid down
and what that punishment that should be meted out for breaking those rules should be.
And to me, one of the craziest parts of this is that they're not even really
trying to hide the sort of nightmarish aspects of this.
As you say, the authors rightly conclude that this new regime,
this agentic state presided over by these AI algorithms, challenges contemporary
notions of inclusion and participatory decision-making.
You don't think so? But they don't think it has to be less democratic.
So how do they think democracy and citizen participation should be accommodated?
Well, you include this quote, Rather than operating solely through top-down
regulatory adjustments,
agentic policy systems could also learn from citizen signals,
feedback loops such as appeals, time-to-resolution metrics, or even emotion
detection in digital interactions.
Emotion detection in digital interactions could become inputs for agent-guided policy refinement.
In this model, the boundary between policy implementation and adjustment becomes porous.
Agents adjust rules not only based on macro-level KPIs, but also from bottom-up
input and friction indicators.
You see, we're all a part of this big data behemoth, so it's okay. It's learning from us.
We're learning from it. It's a wonderful, virtuous system, according to them, right?
Yes, this is the world organism.
And I have written about this in my books with a vision for this.
One of the more important players
was Oliver Reiser, who described the development of a world sensorium.
Or a world brain based on HG Wells idea of the world brain,
but with all the technologies we have today.
And he stated that people in the future would be just be cells in this big organism
and that we had to develop a brain,
a brain organ for this whole new,
organism and it was like he actually referenced it to music it would be like
playing in an orchestra with all the people and.
It's kind of megalomaniac but
of course we have a lot
of important people and players with
lots of money that likes these ideas and
I mean it has always been a thing for powerful people to to get people to get
in line and we all I mean armies and lining up and marching in yeah I.
Do you think they really believe their own propaganda here?
Do you think they really believe that this is going to be the most wonderful way to run society?
Or do you think that they are simply foisting this on the public as essentially
a cover for the way that power has always operated and presumably always will
operate in these oligarchical structures,
which is top down, a few people making the decisions that then propagate out?
Do you think that they, maybe the GGTC level, these are not the top level operators,
people running the scheme.
They probably are the true believers who actually believe in this agentic state stuff, right?
Yeah, they are essentially nerds into computer technology and the marvels of what can it achieve.
And it's so exciting and we are part of it.
And I think they have probably played computer games for a large part of their
lives and view everything accordingly.
But of course, the real players in high places, they want this system for another
purpose, taking over as masters.
Exactly yeah so for people
who are just sort of dipping into this
for the first time and don't know your book on Temple
of Solomon goes through in great degree of detail about this world brain idea
and how it ties into the larger occultic ideas that are this this hierarchy
is is operating on in which now they are externalizing and showing themselves
to the world tell us about the book what's in it how people could find it,
The book, yes, it's actually a very special project, because I wrote it.
The chapters in the book are also songs on an album by my band, Wardenclyffe.
So I wanted to tell this story with music and the lyrics, but also explain them in this book.
With and I go through the history back to Dr.
John Dee in the 1500s and the connections to the esoteric occult ideas that
evolved out of this Theosophy,
discuss Alistair Crowley and Rosicrucianism and all these things that have a very important,
especially Rosicrucianism and the scientific revolution and ideas of evolving yourself.
Being perfected.
That's ideas from Freemasonry for
example some of
ideas I mean it's it's not good to
not bad to to actually want to
to be a better person of course but if you
you do it with cheating and
doing with technology that's not
a good thing I think so I go through the
this occult history and I also dive into how this has affected the world of
today and the technological development and this idea to create this kind of world organism.
I discuss Oliver Eiser of course and also the New Age movement and how these
ideas are connected to to a lot of what's happening in the new age and that's also very interesting.
With new age also being a lot of people during the pandemic that were critical against what happened,
was from the new age community but if you go into it it's like and this is how
it works with controlling opposition,
so the ideas in the opposing team they will lead to the same thing in the end this.
Technological solution and and the new age thing is um,
but i have uncovered is something that i label as techno-spiritualism So you
achieve these ideas with being connected to the divine and with the help of technology.
But I also go through the strategies and techniques that have been used to further these ideas.
And in the end, I give a kind of a personal story on why I think this will fail in the end.
And that's based on my experiences in life.
You know what? Maybe that is the most important part of this conversation.
Because, of course, it is extremely dark to be contemplating these types of
agentic state machinations and
the AI overlords and how they're going to manipulate and control reality.
But as you say and as you make the case at the end of your book this is going
to fail so maybe you should explain
why that is because I think we need to hear a little bit about that.
Well, they talk about intelligence, but it's not intelligence.
It's nothing there. It's just algorithm.
There's something that is missing. And as I explain in my personal story,
there's another sort of intelligence, kind of natural intelligence,
someone would call it like divine intelligence.
Something that is outside us and also connects us.
And in my life and as a researcher, I have kind of tapped into this.
It has given me insights and ideas and also in miraculous ways connected me to other people.
And that had me so I
have come to the conclusion that well I
have been helped something something has helped
me and my conclusion
is that you cannot I usually
talk about this with a computer
game metaphor with you cannot
be one of the avatars in
a computer game and think that you can defeat
actually defeat the one that has created this from the beginning it's it's not
possible so I think we also have a mechanism in the The world we live in, the universe,
the everything, the cosmos that we are a part of, that prevents such a thing to occur.
It's like we have an algorithm in the big system that we are a part of,
that prevents us from taking over everything.
And also you cannot get rid of humanity because of that.
So that's what I believe.
And I hope that belief is right.
But it's based on experience. I think there is certainly something to that belief.
And I hope people will at least take a look at this book. Because,
yes, the path from the original 007, Dr.
John Dee, to the agentic state AI overlords, from 007 to HAL,
is an interesting through line.
And there is a connecting thread. And you go through in a lot of detail specific
names and dates and people, and you talk about these events and connect them
in ways that I think are understandable.
And, hey, you get a kick-ass CD to boot.
So me and Sean have been listening to the Wardenclyffe CD, and we thoroughly approve.
So good job on that. It must be a remarkably difficult thing to meld all this
together and create art out of it, but you managed it somehow.
It took 10 years and I also had to find good people in a band that could deliver this and create this.
So, yeah, and I'm very, very happy that you mentioned also the music.
Because I think, and that was one of the statements, because I wanted to show
real human creativity and also connect.
I have this very thorough research side in me, but I also have this artistic side.
So I always wanted to combine this because I think that's to be a whole person.
And also because of the AI development and now with music that is done by AI
system and it's just so wrong.
So I wanted to do something and also collaborate with other artists and illustrators
and no AI art in this book.
Everything for real, done with human hands.
And sometimes, of course, we have technology to help us, but I think it should
help us and help our creativity to reach more people and so on,
but not take over our job.
Not take over, because that's one of the things that I, it's so wrong thinking
with getting rid of the meaning of life,
because that's what we are doing, if we're trying to create this perfect system.
And we don't have to do anything. We just become drones and taking orders,
information from somewhere and just marching lines.
We essentially just become another line of code in the grand system for these
designers of the world brain. And that is not my place in this world.
I am a natural, sovereign human being expressing myself in whatever creative
ways that come to me. And I think that we need to retain that humanity because
it is under attack at all levels.
And if people want to start knowing a little bit more about that attack,
I would highly recommend that they go.
We've just scratched the surface of this conversation, but there's much more
information in that aforementioned article.
Welcome to Your Nightmare, the Externalization of the Agentic State,
where you can find the link to the Global Government Technology Center and the
white paper that we've been discussing.
And then of course people can go to jacobnordengard.se to purchase the books,
both Temple of Solomon and the Digital World Brain, is that the best place for people to go?
Yes the Temple of Solomon book you can only buy it directly from my web shop
so it's kind of a special thing.
I have other books you can obtain from The Enemy like Amazon,
the Rockefeller book and also the Global Coup d'etat that's good books if you
want to go into my work and a lot of the background,
that and the Temple of Solomon is the kind of last piece of the puzzle of this,
fittingly so alright, well I think we have talked about a lot today.
I think we'll probably leave this conversation here today, but I hope we can
talk again in the future, because this obviously swirls around some incredibly
important subjects that are only starting to come into view right now,
so I'm sure there will be plenty more to discuss.
Jacob Norgengard, thank you so much for your time and your work.
Yeah, thank you for having me again.
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