WEBVTT 00:00:00.017 --> 00:00:05.697 If we have a crisis scenario coming on, 00:00:05.917 --> 00:00:14.677 maybe it's a pandemic or maybe it could be a climate disaster of some sort or 00:00:14.677 --> 00:00:22.637 we also talk about disinformation that could be harmful for society as a whole. 00:00:22.637 --> 00:00:31.417 And in that case, this could trigger a hyper-aware, AI-orchestrated first response. 00:00:34.157 --> 00:00:36.757 You're listening to The Corbett Report. 00:00:39.557 --> 00:00:42.717 Welcome back, friends. Welcome back to The Corbett Report. This is James Corbett 00:00:42.717 --> 00:00:51.217 of CorbettReport.com, coming to you in July of 2025 with a conversation on the agentic state. 00:00:51.697 --> 00:00:56.597 Specifically, we are talking about a white paper that was recently released 00:00:56.597 --> 00:01:00.697 by the Global Government Technology Center in Berlin. 00:01:00.937 --> 00:01:05.297 Now, you might be asking yourself, what is the Global Government Technology Center? 00:01:05.617 --> 00:01:09.437 And what is the agentic state? And what does this have to do with the price 00:01:09.437 --> 00:01:13.317 of tea in China? Well, if those are your questions, I have some answers for you. 00:01:13.637 --> 00:01:16.857 More specifically, I think today's guest will have some answers for you. 00:01:16.857 --> 00:01:20.757 He is none other than Jacob Nordengard, who you will undoubtedly be familiar 00:01:20.757 --> 00:01:23.217 with by now, at least from our previous conversations. 00:01:23.257 --> 00:01:26.657 Please check the Corbett Report archives if you are not familiar with that, 00:01:26.677 --> 00:01:30.877 and please check out his work directly. Of course, he is at jacobnordengard.se. 00:01:31.177 --> 00:01:35.957 He's also at the Pharos Chronicles on Substack. He's also the Mad Doctor in 00:01:35.957 --> 00:01:38.217 Wardenclyffe, if you happen to be musically inclined. 00:01:38.517 --> 00:01:42.357 But let's bring him back on the program. Jacob, thank you for joining us again today. 00:01:43.077 --> 00:01:45.857 Yeah, thanks for having me, James. 00:01:46.477 --> 00:01:50.297 It is my pleasure to have you. Well, it would be a pleasure if we weren't talking 00:01:50.297 --> 00:01:54.837 about such serious subject matter, but here we go again, back into the heart of darkness. 00:01:55.277 --> 00:01:58.477 Specifically, a recent article on Welcome to Your Nightmare, 00:01:58.777 --> 00:02:01.277 the externalization of the agentic state. 00:02:01.577 --> 00:02:05.197 So I guess we should probably start with those basic introductory questions 00:02:05.197 --> 00:02:06.937 that I raised at the beginning here. 00:02:07.377 --> 00:02:11.357 Specifically, what is the Global Government Technology Center, 00:02:11.397 --> 00:02:13.797 and what does it have to say about the agentic state? 00:02:15.559 --> 00:02:20.239 Well, this center it's part of the 00:02:20.239 --> 00:02:28.079 World Economic Forum Center for the 4th Industrial Revolution Network and, 00:02:29.239 --> 00:02:31.379 They started this center. 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:41.859 October last year. It was decided during the Davos Summit in 2024 that they 00:02:41.859 --> 00:02:43.619 would create this center and, 00:02:45.559 --> 00:02:48.879 They happen to think that Berlin 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:52.079 was the perfect location for this 00:02:52.079 --> 00:02:55.339 center and since they 00:02:55.339 --> 00:03:08.719 have also started a center in Kiev in Ukraine and they have invited United Arab 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:14.039 Emirates as a founding member to this network. 00:03:15.859 --> 00:03:21.019 What they are doing. It's about GovTech. 00:03:23.379 --> 00:03:33.679 And GovTech is how the Fourth Industrial Revolution will transform governments 00:03:33.679 --> 00:03:37.479 within the next couple of years. 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:42.799 You know, I recently had a podcast about algocracy, 00:03:43.079 --> 00:03:48.319 which is a term that we could use for the coming of this algorithmically defined 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:52.439 government that governments around the world are really starting to talk about 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:54.219 and start to starting to implement. 00:03:54.439 --> 00:04:00.559 But here it is actually a sort of white paper blueprint roadmap for how to start 00:04:00.559 --> 00:04:06.379 implementing AI technology in everyday governance so that we can be more effectively 00:04:06.379 --> 00:04:08.559 ruled over by our AI overlords. 00:04:08.839 --> 00:04:12.939 This is the agentic state which they're seeking to bring about in which this 00:04:12.939 --> 00:04:13.839 white paper goes through. 00:04:13.979 --> 00:04:18.339 Tell us about this concept of the agentic state and what it entails. 00:04:20.789 --> 00:04:24.949 Yes the agentic state and this 00:04:24.949 --> 00:04:28.889 is the quote from the report signifies a 00:04:28.889 --> 00:04:32.189 fundamental shift in governance where ai systems can 00:04:32.189 --> 00:04:35.829 perceive reason and act with minimal human 00:04:35.829 --> 00:04:46.989 intervention to deliver public value so it basically means that they will don't 00:04:46.989 --> 00:04:54.869 humans are in the way in government it's more efficient to do it with AI agents instead. 00:04:56.109 --> 00:05:01.169 So that's what the agentic state is. 00:05:01.469 --> 00:05:06.229 And also they talk about agentic AI. 00:05:06.849 --> 00:05:12.169 And I have another definition from this is from IBM. 00:05:14.469 --> 00:05:20.489 Identic AI is an artificial intelligence system that can accomplish a specific 00:05:20.489 --> 00:05:23.409 goal with limited supervision. 00:05:24.629 --> 00:05:30.889 It consists of AI agents, machine learning models that mimic human decision 00:05:30.889 --> 00:05:34.029 making to solve problems in real time. 00:05:35.709 --> 00:05:41.029 In a multi-agent system, each agent performs a specific task, 00:05:41.629 --> 00:05:49.629 subtask required to reach the goal and their efforts are coordinated through AI orchestration. 00:05:56.367 --> 00:05:59.187 How does that sound that doesn't sound very 00:05:59.187 --> 00:06:01.867 appealing to me but i understand why it would 00:06:01.867 --> 00:06:05.887 appeal to the technocrats who are seeking to consolidate power in fewer and 00:06:05.887 --> 00:06:11.687 fewer hands and then to essentially automate the enslavement of the tax cattle 00:06:11.687 --> 00:06:16.267 which is exactly what is happening here and as you go on to talk about in your 00:06:16.267 --> 00:06:21.607 article they in this report which we will Well, of course, it will be linked up in the show notes. 00:06:21.747 --> 00:06:24.087 I hope people will go and actually read this report for themselves. 00:06:24.287 --> 00:06:26.967 Please do not take Jacob's word for it. Do not take my word for it. 00:06:27.047 --> 00:06:27.987 Go and read it for yourself. 00:06:28.207 --> 00:06:31.847 So you can see we're not joking around about this. They are absolutely proposing 00:06:31.847 --> 00:06:35.047 the essentially the the dawning of the AI governance. 00:06:35.247 --> 00:06:40.327 But as you say, they describe 10 functional layers of government ordered in 00:06:40.327 --> 00:06:45.747 three dimensions, operations, regulation and government governance and foundations. 00:06:45.747 --> 00:06:51.267 And it ranges from the seemingly innocuous service delivery. 00:06:51.447 --> 00:06:55.747 Oh, they'll be able to offer services in any language with personal concierge 00:06:55.747 --> 00:06:59.467 services. It will be 24-7. It'll be so convenient. 00:06:59.807 --> 00:07:05.247 Or internal workflows from manual casework to outcome-driven agents with humans on the loop. 00:07:05.447 --> 00:07:09.007 Okay, great. But it starts to get pretty ominous pretty quickly, 00:07:09.227 --> 00:07:13.967 specifically as you talk about a couple of the categories here really are, 00:07:14.207 --> 00:07:18.567 well, deserve further scrutiny, specifically the crisis response and resilience, 00:07:18.567 --> 00:07:22.227 and also compliance and reporting. 00:07:22.507 --> 00:07:27.487 Can you tell us how these particular manifestations of AI governance are going 00:07:27.487 --> 00:07:30.127 to be used to more perfectly enslave humanity? 00:07:31.979 --> 00:07:41.999 Well, they talk in this report about polycrisis or polycrisis management. 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:53.459 Polycrisis, this is a term that I think it originated with World Economic Forum originally, 00:07:53.979 --> 00:08:01.999 and it has since been used by my fellow countryman Johan Rockström, 00:08:02.139 --> 00:08:07.699 a very prominent climate scientist, 00:08:08.479 --> 00:08:15.739 and also Antonio Guterres from the UN Secretary General, 00:08:15.739 --> 00:08:28.519 and they are warned what will happen if we don't act and put this new system 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.219 together to confront this polycrisis. crisis. 00:08:34.219 --> 00:08:38.859 And this is mentioned in this white paper. 00:08:39.199 --> 00:08:48.659 It states that our world isn't prepared for this world of cascading, 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:53.099 geopolitical, technical, environmental and social shocks. 00:08:53.099 --> 00:08:56.339 But they have the solution 00:08:56.339 --> 00:08:59.359 it can be counted 00:08:59.359 --> 00:09:03.299 with what we label as intelligent systems 00:09:03.299 --> 00:09:17.959 and in intelligent systems is it's a system without humans and if we have a 00:09:17.959 --> 00:09:21.019 crisis scenario coming on. 00:09:22.959 --> 00:09:30.059 Maybe it's a pandemic or maybe it could be a climate disaster of some sort or, 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:40.699 we also talk about disinformation that could be harmful for society as a whole, 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:49.459 and in that case this could trigger a hyper aware AI orchestrated first response. 00:09:49.459 --> 00:09:55.579 Does that sound creepy does it remind us of something. 00:09:57.359 --> 00:10:02.079 If someone has watched some sci-fi 00:10:02.079 --> 00:10:05.799 movies from the 80s maybe ah yes 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:08.879 well there is always the specter of 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:13.679 Skynet hanging over this conversation in general but even more creepily what 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:18.959 really stuck out to me as you rightly point out part of the crisis response 00:10:18.959 --> 00:10:23.919 This proposal that they are putting in this agentic state white paper is a simulation 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:28.359 infrastructure with the claimed ability to predict the future. 00:10:28.599 --> 00:10:32.679 Oh, great. So it will be able to, of course, not only sort out this polycrisis 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:36.799 in real time as it's developing, but even warn us about it before it develops. 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:42.739 Everything we do will be analyzed and simulated with the help of virtual twins, 00:10:42.739 --> 00:10:46.319 which is a particularly interesting idea 00:10:46.319 --> 00:10:49.619 because it goes back to what I have been talking about for a decade 00:10:49.619 --> 00:10:53.739 and a half now with regards to research that 00:10:53.739 --> 00:10:56.759 is at least two and a half decades old by now about 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:05.119 the creation of your digital twin in the program whose name is escaping my attention 00:11:05.119 --> 00:11:10.499 as I am speaking but Brock will handily put the image on screen for people because 00:11:10.499 --> 00:11:14.959 I will remember it as soon as we're done speaking I forget what it was called at the time oh, 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.439 Sentient World Simulation that is it, 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:22.859 which was a DARPA sponsored project from over two decades ago, that suddenly went. 00:11:24.976 --> 00:11:27.976 Who knows where it went it just suddenly disappeared and they stopped talking 00:11:27.976 --> 00:11:31.556 about it but even at that time two decades ago they were working on a virtual 00:11:31.556 --> 00:11:36.196 digital twin of every single person on the planet feeding it in all this data 00:11:36.196 --> 00:11:41.116 so it could predict the future and here it is rising again in this agentic state 00:11:41.116 --> 00:11:44.716 white paper what a coincidence what do you think about that. 00:11:46.496 --> 00:11:49.036 Yeah, there's no coincidences. 00:11:49.276 --> 00:11:56.876 It's just the right time for them now and this is a part of the revolution. 00:11:57.356 --> 00:12:04.316 The fourth industrial revolution started with the Covid spectacle. 00:12:04.316 --> 00:12:11.276 And and now and and they have released a couple of other other reports about 00:12:11.276 --> 00:12:20.596 this shift and they also this is of course it's a big business opportunity, 00:12:21.136 --> 00:12:32.936 with governments all over the world transforming so they say World Economic Forum, in a report, 00:12:33.396 --> 00:12:37.016 9.8 trillion US dollars. 00:12:38.476 --> 00:12:42.956 So it's a huge market for these tech giants. 00:12:43.516 --> 00:12:47.396 And as we know, these people are in charge. 00:12:48.456 --> 00:12:57.536 They are the masters. So it's very hard to avoid this scenario. 00:12:58.236 --> 00:13:02.896 And as you point out in the subtitle even, this is the externalization of the 00:13:02.896 --> 00:13:07.856 agentic state in the same way we're seeing the externalization of the hierarchy in 2025, I suppose. 00:13:08.276 --> 00:13:14.516 So here comes the mechanism by which this hierarchy is going to inflict its 00:13:14.516 --> 00:13:19.676 rule on the population just in time for this 2025 great unveiling. 00:13:19.916 --> 00:13:22.016 So this does tie into a lot of 00:13:22.016 --> 00:13:24.536 the work that you've been doing along these lines. Tell people about that. 00:13:26.056 --> 00:13:35.896 Yes, it's from my book, The Temple of Solomon book, where I talk about Luce's trust. 00:13:37.264 --> 00:13:47.504 The neo-theosophy of Alice Bailey and the books she authored with the help from 00:13:47.504 --> 00:13:51.024 one of the hidden masters of Tibet, 00:13:51.404 --> 00:13:53.464 Jhwal Kul. 00:13:53.904 --> 00:13:57.764 And in one of his books, Externalization of the Hierarchy, 00:13:57.764 --> 00:14:00.964 I mean it's his 00:14:00.964 --> 00:14:04.504 words he says that from 00:14:04.504 --> 00:14:07.824 2025 the hierarchy will 00:14:07.824 --> 00:14:15.284 begin to externalize and as I mentioned in our earlier episodes we have seen 00:14:15.284 --> 00:14:25.604 some of the masters coming out the real power players that now are more visible. 00:14:26.024 --> 00:14:34.864 It's their world and that's their technologies and they are the ones that will 00:14:34.864 --> 00:14:38.384 define the broad suicidal, 00:14:40.124 --> 00:14:41.784 suicidal I said that. 00:14:43.164 --> 00:14:45.364 The broad goals for society. 00:14:47.724 --> 00:14:53.584 Maybe the suicidal goals. Yeah, that was a Freudian kind of thing. 00:14:55.964 --> 00:15:01.064 Well, I shouldn't be laughing, but it's kind of serious. 00:15:02.864 --> 00:15:07.324 We laugh not to cry, as I often have the opportunity to observe here. 00:15:07.324 --> 00:15:09.404 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's so... 00:15:13.229 --> 00:15:25.789 It's so idiotic and that it's just this sci-fi dystopia scenario and it's like 00:15:25.789 --> 00:15:29.689 they actually think this is a good thing to do. 00:15:29.689 --> 00:15:34.609 For people to get a handle on what this can involve, one of the things that 00:15:34.609 --> 00:15:39.769 you include in your article is the throwback to Al Gore's climate trace, 00:15:40.029 --> 00:15:44.309 which I believe he unveiled at the World Economic Forum or talked about at some point, 00:15:44.469 --> 00:15:50.649 which is going to be, how do we enforce compliance of these regulatory emissions, 00:15:50.649 --> 00:15:55.849 curbing greenhouse gas agreements that all these countries are signing? 00:15:55.849 --> 00:15:57.229 How can we keep track of it? 00:15:57.389 --> 00:16:00.089 Oh, I know, we'll have satellites in the air that will be keeping track of all 00:16:00.089 --> 00:16:04.509 emissions at all times, and oh, by the way, probably everything else people 00:16:04.509 --> 00:16:07.689 are doing and where they're going on a daily basis and all of that, 00:16:07.729 --> 00:16:10.709 but at any rate, that will not be, of course, 00:16:11.029 --> 00:16:13.889 looked over and studied and analyzed by human beings. 00:16:13.889 --> 00:16:18.969 It will be fed into the algorithmic data beast, and the AI will tell us who 00:16:18.969 --> 00:16:24.229 is being a good boy and who is being a naughty boy, exactly like, for example, 00:16:24.489 --> 00:16:30.589 Palantir's AI systems were being used by the IAEA to tell us that Iran is getting, 00:16:30.809 --> 00:16:32.149 oh, there's something wrong there. 00:16:32.229 --> 00:16:36.029 I think they're being naughty boys, which led to the censure of Iran by the 00:16:36.029 --> 00:16:39.149 IAEA and then the subsequent bombing of Iran. This. 00:16:39.551 --> 00:16:44.811 Is how things work in the new world order. Some algorithm somewhere will determine 00:16:44.811 --> 00:16:48.111 whether or not you are in compliance with the rules that have been laid down 00:16:48.111 --> 00:16:52.891 and what that punishment that should be meted out for breaking those rules should be. 00:16:53.031 --> 00:16:57.271 And to me, one of the craziest parts of this is that they're not even really 00:16:57.271 --> 00:17:00.111 trying to hide the sort of nightmarish aspects of this. 00:17:00.251 --> 00:17:03.511 As you say, the authors rightly conclude that this new regime, 00:17:03.691 --> 00:17:09.711 this agentic state presided over by these AI algorithms, challenges contemporary 00:17:09.711 --> 00:17:13.131 notions of inclusion and participatory decision-making. 00:17:13.711 --> 00:17:17.571 You don't think so? But they don't think it has to be less democratic. 00:17:18.071 --> 00:17:22.711 So how do they think democracy and citizen participation should be accommodated? 00:17:22.911 --> 00:17:27.091 Well, you include this quote, Rather than operating solely through top-down 00:17:27.091 --> 00:17:28.311 regulatory adjustments, 00:17:28.731 --> 00:17:31.871 agentic policy systems could also learn from citizen signals, 00:17:32.231 --> 00:17:36.611 feedback loops such as appeals, time-to-resolution metrics, or even emotion 00:17:36.611 --> 00:17:38.811 detection in digital interactions. 00:17:39.251 --> 00:17:45.951 Emotion detection in digital interactions could become inputs for agent-guided policy refinement. 00:17:46.131 --> 00:17:50.531 In this model, the boundary between policy implementation and adjustment becomes porous. 00:17:51.231 --> 00:17:56.631 Agents adjust rules not only based on macro-level KPIs, but also from bottom-up 00:17:56.631 --> 00:17:58.071 input and friction indicators. 00:17:58.191 --> 00:18:02.911 You see, we're all a part of this big data behemoth, so it's okay. It's learning from us. 00:18:03.011 --> 00:18:07.751 We're learning from it. It's a wonderful, virtuous system, according to them, right? 00:18:08.271 --> 00:18:11.831 Yes, this is the world organism. 00:18:12.231 --> 00:18:18.111 And I have written about this in my books with a vision for this. 00:18:19.011 --> 00:18:22.391 One of the more important players 00:18:22.391 --> 00:18:30.371 was Oliver Reiser, who described the development of a world sensorium. 00:18:31.871 --> 00:18:37.311 Or a world brain based on HG Wells idea of the world brain, 00:18:38.597 --> 00:18:42.297 but with all the technologies we have today. 00:18:43.377 --> 00:18:51.997 And he stated that people in the future would be just be cells in this big organism 00:18:51.997 --> 00:18:56.377 and that we had to develop a brain, 00:18:56.597 --> 00:19:01.077 a brain organ for this whole new, 00:19:02.497 --> 00:19:13.197 organism and it was like he actually referenced it to music it would be like 00:19:13.197 --> 00:19:18.657 playing in an orchestra with all the people and. 00:19:20.577 --> 00:19:24.837 It's kind of megalomaniac but 00:19:24.837 --> 00:19:28.177 of course we have a lot 00:19:28.177 --> 00:19:31.657 of important people and players with 00:19:31.657 --> 00:19:36.717 lots of money that likes these ideas and 00:19:36.717 --> 00:19:43.717 I mean it has always been a thing for powerful people to to get people to get 00:19:43.717 --> 00:19:55.417 in line and we all I mean armies and lining up and marching in yeah I. 00:19:57.700 --> 00:20:01.720 Do you think they really believe their own propaganda here? 00:20:01.840 --> 00:20:07.160 Do you think they really believe that this is going to be the most wonderful way to run society? 00:20:07.320 --> 00:20:11.680 Or do you think that they are simply foisting this on the public as essentially 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:16.760 a cover for the way that power has always operated and presumably always will 00:20:16.760 --> 00:20:19.060 operate in these oligarchical structures, 00:20:19.280 --> 00:20:22.960 which is top down, a few people making the decisions that then propagate out? 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:30.160 Do you think that they, maybe the GGTC level, these are not the top level operators, 00:20:30.320 --> 00:20:31.160 people running the scheme. 00:20:31.360 --> 00:20:35.260 They probably are the true believers who actually believe in this agentic state stuff, right? 00:20:35.860 --> 00:20:44.720 Yeah, they are essentially nerds into computer technology and the marvels of what can it achieve. 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:47.580 And it's so exciting and we are part of it. 00:20:47.580 --> 00:20:56.560 And I think they have probably played computer games for a large part of their 00:20:56.560 --> 00:21:01.300 lives and view everything accordingly. 00:21:03.360 --> 00:21:13.440 But of course, the real players in high places, they want this system for another 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.180 purpose, taking over as masters. 00:21:17.180 --> 00:21:20.680 Exactly yeah so for people 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:23.640 who are just sort of dipping into this 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.900 for the first time and don't know your book on Temple 00:21:26.900 --> 00:21:31.120 of Solomon goes through in great degree of detail about this world brain idea 00:21:31.120 --> 00:21:36.480 and how it ties into the larger occultic ideas that are this this hierarchy 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:41.600 is is operating on in which now they are externalizing and showing themselves 00:21:41.600 --> 00:21:45.960 to the world tell us about the book what's in it how people could find it, 00:21:47.564 --> 00:21:57.544 The book, yes, it's actually a very special project, because I wrote it. 00:21:59.884 --> 00:22:07.564 The chapters in the book are also songs on an album by my band, Wardenclyffe. 00:22:07.564 --> 00:22:19.464 So I wanted to tell this story with music and the lyrics, but also explain them in this book. 00:22:19.464 --> 00:22:25.164 With and I go through the history back to Dr. 00:22:25.344 --> 00:22:37.184 John Dee in the 1500s and the connections to the esoteric occult ideas that 00:22:37.184 --> 00:22:40.224 evolved out of this Theosophy, 00:22:40.644 --> 00:22:52.624 discuss Alistair Crowley and Rosicrucianism and all these things that have a very important, 00:22:52.624 --> 00:23:00.324 especially Rosicrucianism and the scientific revolution and ideas of evolving yourself. 00:23:00.804 --> 00:23:04.304 Being perfected. 00:23:04.304 --> 00:23:07.624 That's ideas from Freemasonry for 00:23:07.624 --> 00:23:10.424 example some of 00:23:10.424 --> 00:23:13.524 ideas I mean it's it's not good to 00:23:13.524 --> 00:23:16.364 not bad to to actually want to 00:23:16.364 --> 00:23:19.284 to be a better person of course but if you 00:23:19.284 --> 00:23:23.204 you do it with cheating and 00:23:23.204 --> 00:23:26.564 doing with technology that's not 00:23:26.564 --> 00:23:29.684 a good thing I think so I go through the 00:23:29.684 --> 00:23:37.384 this occult history and I also dive into how this has affected the world of 00:23:37.384 --> 00:23:48.244 today and the technological development and this idea to create this kind of world organism. 00:23:48.544 --> 00:23:55.684 I discuss Oliver Eiser of course and also the New Age movement and how these 00:23:55.684 --> 00:24:04.084 ideas are connected to to a lot of what's happening in the new age and that's also very interesting. 00:24:05.084 --> 00:24:14.564 With new age also being a lot of people during the pandemic that were critical against what happened, 00:24:15.984 --> 00:24:24.044 was from the new age community but if you go into it it's like and this is how 00:24:24.044 --> 00:24:28.384 it works with controlling opposition, 00:24:30.496 --> 00:24:39.896 so the ideas in the opposing team they will lead to the same thing in the end this. 00:24:42.076 --> 00:24:47.996 Technological solution and and the new age thing is um, 00:24:49.216 --> 00:24:56.116 but i have uncovered is something that i label as techno-spiritualism So you 00:24:56.116 --> 00:25:08.596 achieve these ideas with being connected to the divine and with the help of technology. 00:25:09.596 --> 00:25:20.356 But I also go through the strategies and techniques that have been used to further these ideas. 00:25:20.356 --> 00:25:31.796 And in the end, I give a kind of a personal story on why I think this will fail in the end. 00:25:32.856 --> 00:25:36.316 And that's based on my experiences in life. 00:25:36.856 --> 00:25:40.256 You know what? Maybe that is the most important part of this conversation. 00:25:40.256 --> 00:25:43.716 Because, of course, it is extremely dark to be contemplating these types of 00:25:43.716 --> 00:25:45.756 agentic state machinations and 00:25:45.756 --> 00:25:49.436 the AI overlords and how they're going to manipulate and control reality. 00:25:49.436 --> 00:25:53.676 But as you say and as you make the case at the end of your book this is going 00:25:53.676 --> 00:25:55.296 to fail so maybe you should explain 00:25:55.296 --> 00:25:58.436 why that is because I think we need to hear a little bit about that. 00:26:00.573 --> 00:26:08.233 Well, they talk about intelligence, but it's not intelligence. 00:26:08.753 --> 00:26:11.453 It's nothing there. It's just algorithm. 00:26:14.073 --> 00:26:22.153 There's something that is missing. And as I explain in my personal story, 00:26:22.413 --> 00:26:28.813 there's another sort of intelligence, kind of natural intelligence, 00:26:29.573 --> 00:26:33.193 someone would call it like divine intelligence. 00:26:33.953 --> 00:26:39.433 Something that is outside us and also connects us. 00:26:39.433 --> 00:26:46.953 And in my life and as a researcher, I have kind of tapped into this. 00:26:47.313 --> 00:27:00.173 It has given me insights and ideas and also in miraculous ways connected me to other people. 00:27:00.173 --> 00:27:03.413 And that had me so I 00:27:03.413 --> 00:27:07.233 have come to the conclusion that well I 00:27:07.233 --> 00:27:10.333 have been helped something something has helped 00:27:10.333 --> 00:27:14.013 me and my conclusion 00:27:14.013 --> 00:27:17.073 is that you cannot I usually 00:27:17.073 --> 00:27:20.213 talk about this with a computer 00:27:20.213 --> 00:27:23.593 game metaphor with you cannot 00:27:23.593 --> 00:27:26.733 be one of the avatars in 00:27:26.733 --> 00:27:31.113 a computer game and think that you can defeat 00:27:31.113 --> 00:27:40.593 actually defeat the one that has created this from the beginning it's it's not 00:27:40.593 --> 00:27:47.893 possible so I think we also have a mechanism in the The world we live in, the universe, 00:27:48.213 --> 00:27:55.753 the everything, the cosmos that we are a part of, that prevents such a thing to occur. 00:27:56.533 --> 00:28:03.573 It's like we have an algorithm in the big system that we are a part of, 00:28:03.653 --> 00:28:08.653 that prevents us from taking over everything. 00:28:08.653 --> 00:28:15.893 And also you cannot get rid of humanity because of that. 00:28:16.693 --> 00:28:18.393 So that's what I believe. 00:28:19.883 --> 00:28:23.363 And I hope that belief is right. 00:28:24.203 --> 00:28:30.203 But it's based on experience. I think there is certainly something to that belief. 00:28:30.403 --> 00:28:33.103 And I hope people will at least take a look at this book. Because, 00:28:33.423 --> 00:28:36.843 yes, the path from the original 007, Dr. 00:28:36.963 --> 00:28:41.903 John Dee, to the agentic state AI overlords, from 007 to HAL, 00:28:42.043 --> 00:28:43.763 is an interesting through line. 00:28:43.783 --> 00:28:48.403 And there is a connecting thread. And you go through in a lot of detail specific 00:28:48.403 --> 00:28:53.203 names and dates and people, and you talk about these events and connect them 00:28:53.203 --> 00:28:55.143 in ways that I think are understandable. 00:28:55.383 --> 00:28:57.843 And, hey, you get a kick-ass CD to boot. 00:28:58.223 --> 00:29:03.463 So me and Sean have been listening to the Wardenclyffe CD, and we thoroughly approve. 00:29:03.743 --> 00:29:09.883 So good job on that. It must be a remarkably difficult thing to meld all this 00:29:09.883 --> 00:29:12.563 together and create art out of it, but you managed it somehow. 00:29:12.563 --> 00:29:21.763 It took 10 years and I also had to find good people in a band that could deliver this and create this. 00:29:22.463 --> 00:29:27.883 So, yeah, and I'm very, very happy that you mentioned also the music. 00:29:28.803 --> 00:29:34.643 Because I think, and that was one of the statements, because I wanted to show 00:29:34.643 --> 00:29:38.443 real human creativity and also connect. 00:29:38.443 --> 00:29:47.603 I have this very thorough research side in me, but I also have this artistic side. 00:29:49.323 --> 00:29:55.803 So I always wanted to combine this because I think that's to be a whole person. 00:29:55.803 --> 00:30:08.283 And also because of the AI development and now with music that is done by AI 00:30:08.283 --> 00:30:12.263 system and it's just so wrong. 00:30:12.263 --> 00:30:20.043 So I wanted to do something and also collaborate with other artists and illustrators 00:30:20.043 --> 00:30:23.843 and no AI art in this book. 00:30:24.343 --> 00:30:28.263 Everything for real, done with human hands. 00:30:28.263 --> 00:30:34.703 And sometimes, of course, we have technology to help us, but I think it should 00:30:34.703 --> 00:30:40.963 help us and help our creativity to reach more people and so on, 00:30:41.123 --> 00:30:46.063 but not take over our job. 00:30:46.063 --> 00:30:54.603 Not take over, because that's one of the things that I, it's so wrong thinking 00:30:54.603 --> 00:30:59.403 with getting rid of the meaning of life, 00:30:59.683 --> 00:31:04.403 because that's what we are doing, if we're trying to create this perfect system. 00:31:05.182 --> 00:31:11.442 And we don't have to do anything. We just become drones and taking orders, 00:31:11.602 --> 00:31:16.022 information from somewhere and just marching lines. 00:31:16.022 --> 00:31:21.742 We essentially just become another line of code in the grand system for these 00:31:21.742 --> 00:31:25.802 designers of the world brain. And that is not my place in this world. 00:31:25.982 --> 00:31:30.982 I am a natural, sovereign human being expressing myself in whatever creative 00:31:30.982 --> 00:31:35.822 ways that come to me. And I think that we need to retain that humanity because 00:31:35.822 --> 00:31:38.702 it is under attack at all levels. 00:31:39.102 --> 00:31:43.222 And if people want to start knowing a little bit more about that attack, 00:31:43.402 --> 00:31:44.862 I would highly recommend that they go. 00:31:45.002 --> 00:31:48.162 We've just scratched the surface of this conversation, but there's much more 00:31:48.162 --> 00:31:50.682 information in that aforementioned article. 00:31:50.822 --> 00:31:54.982 Welcome to Your Nightmare, the Externalization of the Agentic State, 00:31:55.182 --> 00:31:59.082 where you can find the link to the Global Government Technology Center and the 00:31:59.082 --> 00:32:00.742 white paper that we've been discussing. 00:32:00.742 --> 00:32:05.602 And then of course people can go to jacobnordengard.se to purchase the books, 00:32:06.062 --> 00:32:09.562 both Temple of Solomon and the Digital World Brain, is that the best place for people to go? 00:32:11.542 --> 00:32:18.742 Yes the Temple of Solomon book you can only buy it directly from my web shop 00:32:18.742 --> 00:32:21.262 so it's kind of a special thing. 00:32:21.522 --> 00:32:27.982 I have other books you can obtain from The Enemy like Amazon, 00:32:29.682 --> 00:32:36.862 the Rockefeller book and also the Global Coup d'etat that's good books if you 00:32:36.862 --> 00:32:43.062 want to go into my work and a lot of the background, 00:32:44.742 --> 00:32:52.242 that and the Temple of Solomon is the kind of last piece of the puzzle of this, 00:32:54.062 --> 00:32:58.162 fittingly so alright, well I think we have talked about a lot today. 00:32:58.382 --> 00:33:01.362 I think we'll probably leave this conversation here today, but I hope we can 00:33:01.362 --> 00:33:05.162 talk again in the future, because this obviously swirls around some incredibly 00:33:05.162 --> 00:33:08.042 important subjects that are only starting to come into view right now, 00:33:08.062 --> 00:33:10.122 so I'm sure there will be plenty more to discuss. 00:33:10.582 --> 00:33:12.742 Jacob Norgengard, thank you so much for your time and your work. 00:33:13.382 --> 00:33:15.522 Yeah, thank you for having me again. 00:33:18.682 --> 00:33:19.742 The Deep State. 00:33:23.222 --> 00:33:26.602 False Flags 9-11 Truth, 00:33:28.202 --> 00:33:32.842 the Federal Reserve secret wars 00:33:32.842 --> 00:33:37.042 and hidden histories fake news 00:33:37.042 --> 00:33:48.922 medical martial law ceaseless propaganda James Corbett reportage essays on the 00:33:48.922 --> 00:33:54.662 new world order available where books are sold until they're not, 00:33:56.602 --> 00:33:57.122 You. 00:33:57.360 --> 00:34:19.015 Music.