WEBVTT 00:00:00.017 --> 00:00:06.197 Their grip on information, the grip of the legacy media on the narrative is slipping. 00:00:06.457 --> 00:00:12.857 And it is through podcasts like yours and people who do deep dives and do investigation 00:00:12.857 --> 00:00:15.637 to these things. More and more people become aware of it. 00:00:16.457 --> 00:00:21.017 One of the reasons people just aren't buying, for example, everything that happened 00:00:21.017 --> 00:00:25.437 during COVID, they're just not believing the federal government because the 00:00:25.437 --> 00:00:27.837 federal government is not worthy of their trust. 00:00:30.257 --> 00:00:33.017 You're listening to The Corbett Report. 00:00:36.137 --> 00:00:38.437 Welcome, friends. This is James Corbett of The Corbett Report, 00:00:38.657 --> 00:00:43.877 coming to you in September of 2025, specifically one week before the anniversary 00:00:43.877 --> 00:00:46.857 of the events of 9-11-2001. 00:00:47.477 --> 00:00:50.797 And today's guest that I'm going to be talking to, well, if you're a regular 00:00:50.797 --> 00:00:54.757 person, you may know him as Ron Johnson, a senator who was elected to the United 00:00:54.757 --> 00:00:56.677 States Senate for the first time in 2010. 00:00:57.457 --> 00:01:01.397 He might also know that he served as chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland 00:01:01.397 --> 00:01:07.217 Security and Governmental Affairs from 2015 to 2021, and that he remains a member of that committee. 00:01:07.357 --> 00:01:10.657 You might also know that he currently serves as a ranking member of the Permanent 00:01:10.657 --> 00:01:13.297 Subcommittee on Investigations and is also a member of the Budget, 00:01:13.657 --> 00:01:15.437 Finance, and Aging Committees. 00:01:16.117 --> 00:01:20.577 But if you are one of those special, enlightened people who get all your information 00:01:20.577 --> 00:01:24.637 from the mainstream media, you might know Senator Ron Johnson from such headlines 00:01:24.637 --> 00:01:28.857 as, Ron Johnson has gone full 9-11 conspiracy nut, 00:01:29.157 --> 00:01:33.197 GOP senator to hold hearings on bonkers 9-11 conspiracy theory, 00:01:33.457 --> 00:01:38.197 Ron Johnson goes full 9-11 truther in deranged rant, and my personal favorite, 00:01:38.337 --> 00:01:43.497 GOP's Ron Johnson peddles fringe 9-11 conspiracy theories, reaches new low. 00:01:43.817 --> 00:01:50.097 So what has got the brave truth-telling truth-tellers of the mainstream media all in its hizzy? 00:01:50.317 --> 00:01:54.177 Let's find out, shall we? Senator Ron Johnson, thank you for joining me today on The Corbett Report. 00:01:55.241 --> 00:01:59.441 Well, James, I had not seen or heard of those headlines, so thanks. 00:02:01.461 --> 00:02:05.521 You are welcome. It is part of my duty to let people know the press that is 00:02:05.521 --> 00:02:09.421 following them and the sort of things that are attendant upon treading into 00:02:09.421 --> 00:02:13.341 the minefield of 9-11, as I'm sure you're already aware from other sources. 00:02:14.221 --> 00:02:16.901 Today, obviously, I want to talk about the fact that you are going to be a keynote 00:02:16.901 --> 00:02:21.721 speaker at next week's conference called Turning the Tide, 9-11 Justice in 2025 00:02:21.721 --> 00:02:26.341 that's going to be taking place in Washington, D.C. from, I believe, September 10th to 12th. 00:02:26.461 --> 00:02:29.221 Anyway, the details will be linked up in the show notes if people are interested 00:02:29.221 --> 00:02:30.221 in attending that event. 00:02:31.181 --> 00:02:37.621 But a United States senator talking about 9-11, a new investigation in 2025, what is going on? 00:02:37.881 --> 00:02:41.861 Let's start this conversation by talking about yourself, your own personal experience 00:02:41.861 --> 00:02:46.621 of 9-11 and your own impressions, your own thoughts of the events at that time when they took place. 00:02:47.821 --> 00:02:52.741 Sure. Well, in 2001, I was running a manufacturing plant. 00:02:52.881 --> 00:02:57.461 I was producing plastic, and like most Americans that were alive at that point 00:02:57.461 --> 00:02:58.801 in time, had access to a TV. 00:02:59.281 --> 00:03:02.781 All of a sudden, you hear a plane hit the World Trade Center. 00:03:02.941 --> 00:03:06.761 You think it's probably a small little plane, you know, pilot, something happened. 00:03:07.221 --> 00:03:12.281 Then you saw another plane smash into it. And, you know, I think my reaction was, 00:03:13.263 --> 00:03:17.063 very common, this changes everything. The world just changed, and it did. 00:03:18.123 --> 00:03:22.023 And so, yeah, that's, you know, I had shared that same experience. 00:03:22.443 --> 00:03:27.063 None of us who are live and watching that day will never forget that moment. 00:03:27.743 --> 00:03:31.363 But at the same time, I think like the vast majority of Americans, 00:03:31.583 --> 00:03:33.003 people around the world, pretty 00:03:33.003 --> 00:03:36.463 well bought the narrative, just accepted what the government told us. 00:03:36.983 --> 00:03:43.043 And I think really where things started changing for me, Obviously, I became U.S. 00:03:43.083 --> 00:03:46.683 Senator not to do investigations, not to investigate 9-11. 00:03:47.443 --> 00:03:50.103 I became U.S. Senator because we're mortgaging our children's future. 00:03:50.503 --> 00:03:53.383 I knew Obamacare wouldn't work. It hasn't. 00:03:53.623 --> 00:03:57.383 So those are the two main issues. I sprung up from the Tea Party. 00:03:57.543 --> 00:04:00.543 I still view myself more Tea Party than Republican, but you've got to join one 00:04:00.543 --> 00:04:02.643 side, and I'm far more aligned with Republicans. 00:04:03.023 --> 00:04:08.943 But then, as you said, I became chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. 00:04:09.683 --> 00:04:17.563 Right at the time when the revelation of Hillary Clinton's email scandal broke, the Benghazi scandal. 00:04:17.903 --> 00:04:22.343 And it just so happens, I mean, the Homeland Security Committee used to be just 00:04:22.343 --> 00:04:25.123 called Governmental Affairs. It was the Senate Oversight Committee. 00:04:25.863 --> 00:04:29.783 We can provide oversight on virtually anything in government. 00:04:29.783 --> 00:04:31.303 It's our responsibility to do so. 00:04:31.423 --> 00:04:36.063 But in particular, we have legislative jurisdiction over federal records. 00:04:36.063 --> 00:04:40.203 And so the Hillary Clinton email scandal required oversight, 00:04:40.203 --> 00:04:43.883 but it's also right within the jurisdiction of the committee. 00:04:44.063 --> 00:04:45.983 It's just something I had to look into. 00:04:46.223 --> 00:04:50.983 So we investigated that. That began my investigatory career as U.S. senator. 00:04:51.703 --> 00:04:57.543 That opened my eyes to the lies, the corruption of federal agencies. 00:04:59.503 --> 00:05:04.663 Then fast forward, and I'm trying to really condense this, COVID hit. 00:05:05.823 --> 00:05:09.983 Nobody in the center of the house were investigating things like or holding 00:05:09.983 --> 00:05:12.123 hearings on early treatment. 00:05:12.443 --> 00:05:17.703 Everything was all about the COVID injection, you know, a vaccine, Operation Warp Speed. 00:05:18.063 --> 00:05:21.743 And I was watching, you know, this hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, 00:05:21.883 --> 00:05:25.383 all these things being, these treatments being suppressed. 00:05:26.423 --> 00:05:30.603 The, quite honestly, the pandemic being blown way out of proportion. 00:05:30.963 --> 00:05:34.583 This wasn't Ebola, it wasn't SARS-1, it wasn't MERS, you know, 00:05:34.583 --> 00:05:36.563 This wasn't a 40% fatality rate. 00:05:36.563 --> 00:05:40.263 It was going to be something like maybe a really, really bad flu season. 00:05:40.663 --> 00:05:43.803 So I was holding hearings on. I was just trying to provide information to the 00:05:43.803 --> 00:05:50.443 public, further notice, further evidence of how the federal government and its 00:05:50.443 --> 00:05:53.203 agencies lie repeatedly to the American public. 00:05:54.089 --> 00:06:00.249 Then I met Bobby Kennedy, and I remember doing a podcast, I think it was in 00:06:00.249 --> 00:06:02.249 Nashville, with Bobby Kennedy. 00:06:02.409 --> 00:06:07.769 I walked into the green room, and he's talking about visiting his father's apparent 00:06:07.769 --> 00:06:09.909 assassin, Sirhan Sirhan, in jail, 00:06:10.729 --> 00:06:15.649 and telling the story about his father's assassination, which, 00:06:15.829 --> 00:06:21.749 again, does not line up with the narrative of the government and mainstream media. 00:06:21.749 --> 00:06:28.009 And so at that point in time, Bobby turned me on to a book, JFK and the Unspeakables, 00:06:28.629 --> 00:06:33.809 The Devil's Chessboard, about our CIA. 00:06:35.429 --> 00:06:40.929 And again, your eyes just continue, your eyes keep opening wider and wider and 00:06:40.929 --> 00:06:43.709 wider, and you see the government covering things up. 00:06:43.749 --> 00:06:47.609 I just finished a book, Blowback, on the Oklahoma City bombing. 00:06:48.429 --> 00:06:54.509 It's just amazing, James, how many people held in jails commit suicide. 00:06:56.209 --> 00:06:59.469 You have key witnesses to key moments in our history. 00:07:00.209 --> 00:07:04.569 So after a while, these things just continue to pile up. 00:07:04.849 --> 00:07:09.989 And specifically on 9-11, now I'm chairman of the Department of Subcommittee Investigations. 00:07:10.069 --> 00:07:13.889 As ranking member, our chairman then, Richard Blumenthal, he wanted to do an 00:07:13.889 --> 00:07:17.949 investigation of the PGA's negotiation with LIV. golf. 00:07:18.629 --> 00:07:21.009 I didn't think it was particularly appropriate that we do that. 00:07:21.189 --> 00:07:24.529 But the result of that, he held a pretty high profile hearing. 00:07:25.349 --> 00:07:29.349 The result of that is we had all the 9-11 families start approaching me in the 00:07:29.349 --> 00:07:32.689 hallways of our Senate office buildings, 00:07:32.969 --> 00:07:39.049 pleading with me to use this moment to get the FBI to turn over an unredacted 00:07:39.049 --> 00:07:43.409 version of their report on what Saudi Arabia knew about 9-11. 00:07:44.294 --> 00:07:49.634 That's what started me down this journey on 9-11. So in that hearing, 00:07:50.554 --> 00:07:54.994 kind of bushwhacked Senator Blumenthal, and I asked him to join me in requesting 00:07:54.994 --> 00:08:00.394 the FBI provide that unredacted report, which they never did, of course. 00:08:01.574 --> 00:08:06.994 But that then connected me to people who wanted to convey information to me. 00:08:07.094 --> 00:08:11.374 I've got a good friend, a contractor in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, Ben Ganther, 00:08:11.454 --> 00:08:13.494 Ganther Construction, knows a lot about construction. 00:08:13.494 --> 00:08:17.654 Knows a lot about structural engineering, who quite honestly started sending 00:08:17.654 --> 00:08:22.574 me the best of James Corbett report and connecting me with Richard Gage. 00:08:22.794 --> 00:08:26.254 And so I started looking at documentaries, you know, like yours, 00:08:26.954 --> 00:08:33.094 calling out Bravo 7, Building 7, Graham McQueen's kind of final interview. 00:08:33.454 --> 00:08:41.374 And again, when you get the information, your eyes open up, you see these very 00:08:41.374 --> 00:08:47.834 legitimate questions being raised and no answers being provided whatsoever. 00:08:48.394 --> 00:08:53.354 In fact, then when you just raise the issue, when you question it, 00:08:53.574 --> 00:08:54.774 you get those kind of headlines. 00:08:57.654 --> 00:09:02.734 I'm just asking these very legitimate questions. Why can't we do that? 00:09:02.954 --> 00:09:06.594 Which, of course, just raises my suspicion level. So that's pretty well, 00:09:06.774 --> 00:09:08.454 you're the expert on this. 00:09:08.454 --> 00:09:11.374 I mean, the Richard Gaze of the world, the structural engineers, 00:09:11.574 --> 00:09:17.354 the firefighters who know the history of, you know, these steel buildings not 00:09:17.354 --> 00:09:20.674 coming down because of basic fires. You need something else. 00:09:21.234 --> 00:09:24.254 The first time, I'd never even heard of Building 7. 00:09:25.314 --> 00:09:28.914 20 years later, I had never heard of Building 7. And all of a sudden, 00:09:28.994 --> 00:09:30.034 you see the video and you go... 00:09:31.250 --> 00:09:35.390 Sure looks like controlled demolition to me. And then you start watching the 00:09:35.390 --> 00:09:40.130 documentaries and you hear about the structural engineering professor up in 00:09:40.130 --> 00:09:45.770 Alaska doing a four-year study on that, completely refutes what NIST study. 00:09:46.750 --> 00:09:50.350 You hear about the 9-11 commission. Again, I can just go on and on. 00:09:50.430 --> 00:09:51.530 I'm not an expert on this. 00:09:51.750 --> 00:09:56.270 I've just heard all the questions and they sound completely legitimate to me. 00:09:56.670 --> 00:10:01.110 And so you ask yourself the question. So why can't you even ask these questions? 00:10:02.730 --> 00:10:09.510 I think an interesting component of this is because people don't want to know the answer. 00:10:11.330 --> 00:10:17.970 I mean, it opens up, which I can completely understand from the position of 00:10:17.970 --> 00:10:21.350 the President of the United States, our relationship with foreign, 00:10:21.470 --> 00:10:23.510 I can certainly understand why, 00:10:23.810 --> 00:10:26.650 if the truth were ever known, 00:10:26.970 --> 00:10:30.050 we may want to just slam that Pandora's box. 00:10:32.330 --> 00:10:36.210 So that's kind of the position we're in right now. I think the questions are 00:10:36.210 --> 00:10:37.630 legitimate. They've been raised. 00:10:39.710 --> 00:10:44.270 People don't want the answers. A lot of people do, but a lot of people don't. 00:10:45.420 --> 00:10:49.760 Well, I certainly people in certain positions of power probably do not want 00:10:49.760 --> 00:10:53.160 people questioning what really happened on that day, because there are a lot 00:10:53.160 --> 00:10:54.080 of uncomfortable answers. 00:10:54.300 --> 00:10:57.480 And one example of that that you just raised there in your own personal story, 00:10:57.620 --> 00:11:01.020 you talk about the Benghazi hearings, for example, that you were a part of. 00:11:01.340 --> 00:11:08.640 And as we know, of course, obviously, the investigation was very much into how did U.S. 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:14.140 Servicemen and other personnel end up dying there. But really, 00:11:14.280 --> 00:11:18.340 the real question was, what was that CIA annex doing there in Benghazi in the first place? 00:11:18.420 --> 00:11:23.280 And oh, as it turns out, they were running guns into Syria, running weapons 00:11:23.280 --> 00:11:25.620 into Syria so that the U.S. 00:11:25.700 --> 00:11:29.720 State Department could continue its destabilization operation in Syria with 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:34.060 the support of al-Qaeda, who it turns out were the good guys again back in the 00:11:34.060 --> 00:11:36.940 2010s when they were fighting Bashar al-Assad. 00:11:36.940 --> 00:11:42.100 So I think that's, again, it's just another window into what I understand we 00:11:42.100 --> 00:11:46.660 concentrate on the date of 9-11-2001 for obvious reasons. But that is just one 00:11:46.660 --> 00:11:51.680 part of a much, much bigger story that gets into some very uncomfortable questions about the U.S. 00:11:51.740 --> 00:11:54.660 Government's complicity in acts of terrorism around the world. 00:11:54.660 --> 00:11:59.880 And I can understand why people are very reticent to get into those questions. So let's get into them. 00:12:00.880 --> 00:12:05.800 It's a story of lies. It's a story of lies and deception that really span decades. 00:12:06.400 --> 00:12:11.040 You know, I mean, it goes, you talk about the FDR in Pearl Harbor, 00:12:11.220 --> 00:12:14.640 you know, but I mean, up to more modern times where I'm living, 00:12:14.920 --> 00:12:16.320 you know, the JFK assassination, 00:12:16.900 --> 00:12:22.760 Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, just go right down the list. 00:12:22.900 --> 00:12:24.320 What really happened there? 00:12:25.420 --> 00:12:30.460 I don't know whether we will ever know. I know, you know, President Trump promised 00:12:30.460 --> 00:12:32.560 to release all the files on JFK. 00:12:33.540 --> 00:12:37.660 Great. I mean, I never expected any kind of bombshells out of there because 00:12:37.660 --> 00:12:42.660 I would expect that anything that was really incriminating has long been destroyed. 00:12:45.447 --> 00:12:52.107 Just like a lot of people just happily die, you know, or just accidentally die. Yeah. 00:12:53.587 --> 00:12:57.527 Well, as, you know, you point out, this is just part of a larger story. 00:12:57.667 --> 00:13:00.847 And in fact, as one of the 9-11 commissioners said when cornered at one point, 00:13:01.007 --> 00:13:03.127 9-11 was a 20-year conspiracy. 00:13:03.467 --> 00:13:07.307 And oddly, no one in the mainstream media has followed up with him what he meant by that. 00:13:07.387 --> 00:13:12.307 But I have a feeling it probably does talk to that bigger picture of al-Qaeda and U.S. 00:13:12.427 --> 00:13:16.487 Government operations. So let's start talking about some of the actual information 00:13:16.487 --> 00:13:19.887 that we got and some of the investigations that have already happened. 00:13:20.067 --> 00:13:24.127 Because I was pleased to inform, I was a bit nervous when I first went into 00:13:24.127 --> 00:13:28.107 that NBC News article about you calling for a new 9-11 investigation. 00:13:28.327 --> 00:13:31.887 But I was very relieved when they informed me that apparently all question of 00:13:31.887 --> 00:13:34.367 Building 7 and what happened to it have been debunked. 00:13:34.547 --> 00:13:36.307 And they literally link to their 00:13:36.307 --> 00:13:41.207 own news story from 2008 about the NIST report. So don't worry, guys. 00:13:41.367 --> 00:13:45.287 NIST has looked into it and found nothing at all unusual about Building 7's collapse. 00:13:46.247 --> 00:13:49.307 Of course, there was the 9-11 Commission appointed by President Bush. 00:13:49.847 --> 00:13:53.607 Originally, it was going to be headed by Henry Kissinger, but he had some conflicts 00:13:53.607 --> 00:13:57.167 of interest with people named bin Laden, who may have been clients of Kissinger 00:13:57.167 --> 00:13:58.687 and Associates. So he stepped aside. 00:13:58.927 --> 00:14:02.947 And don't worry, Philip Zelikow really ran that commission from behind the scenes. 00:14:03.367 --> 00:14:06.107 And of course, we have the joint congressional investigation, 00:14:06.107 --> 00:14:11.467 which, by the way, large sections of were classified and held behind secrecy for decades. 00:14:11.927 --> 00:14:15.387 So nothing to see here, guys. It's all been debunked. Tell us about what you 00:14:15.387 --> 00:14:18.647 know about the investigations that have happened in the U.S. 00:14:18.907 --> 00:14:22.607 Government already and why they are inadequate. Well, again, you're the expert here. 00:14:23.410 --> 00:14:28.090 So, you know, I've just been a receiver of information up to this point. 00:14:28.250 --> 00:14:34.470 I'm not here to reveal anything new that you don't know a whole lot more about than I do. 00:14:35.290 --> 00:14:38.530 I'm just kind of waiting to see what's going to happen here. 00:14:38.810 --> 00:14:44.730 I do know, for example, that, you know, Tucker Carlson is set to release a five-part 00:14:44.730 --> 00:14:47.990 series on 9-11 based on his investigation. 00:14:49.110 --> 00:14:54.730 What I do know is the government back in the 60s had far greater control over 00:14:54.730 --> 00:14:56.310 information than they have today. 00:14:56.750 --> 00:15:01.530 They had far greater control over information in 2000, 2010, even 2020. 00:15:02.510 --> 00:15:08.310 Their grip on information, the grip of the legacy media on the narrative is slipping. 00:15:08.530 --> 00:15:14.970 And it is through podcasts like yours and people who do deep dives and do investigation 00:15:14.970 --> 00:15:17.730 to these things. More and more people become aware of it. 00:15:18.610 --> 00:15:23.130 One of the reasons people just aren't buying, for example, everything that happened 00:15:23.130 --> 00:15:27.550 during COVID, they're just not believing the federal government because the 00:15:27.550 --> 00:15:33.170 federal government is not worthy of their trust, of being believed. 00:15:33.370 --> 00:15:36.950 And so that's really the state of affairs right now. It's a very sad state of affairs. 00:15:37.490 --> 00:15:42.650 You would like to have a society, you'd like to have institutions that people 00:15:42.650 --> 00:15:45.330 could rely on, that they had faith in. 00:15:46.050 --> 00:15:51.010 When you get to this level, when the general public simply has very little faith 00:15:51.010 --> 00:15:56.790 or no faith in its institutions, it's very dangerous for society. 00:15:57.410 --> 00:16:01.630 It's not a good sign. So, yeah, I would like to restore that trust. 00:16:01.750 --> 00:16:05.650 But the only way I know of restoring that trust is by revealing the truth, 00:16:06.010 --> 00:16:11.530 making government and government agencies more trustworthy, which they currently are not. 00:16:12.230 --> 00:16:17.590 You're seeing right now, I'm about ready to head into a hearing with RFK Jr. 00:16:18.170 --> 00:16:22.650 In Senate Finance. I mean, it'll be interesting to see the 16 ways on Sunday 00:16:22.650 --> 00:16:24.430 he will now be attacked by. 00:16:25.517 --> 00:16:32.337 For simply wanting to return and restore integrity to science and to the federal 00:16:32.337 --> 00:16:38.617 health agencies who have been captured by big pharma and big agriculture and big food. 00:16:39.277 --> 00:16:45.297 American people know that. There's a reason why the Maha movement is so strong 00:16:45.297 --> 00:16:50.237 is I held an event with RFK Jr., Dr. Casey Means, in September. 00:16:50.517 --> 00:16:53.617 This is called American Health and Nutrition, Second Opinion. 00:16:53.617 --> 00:16:57.817 And among all the excellent testimony, there was one witness, Dr. 00:16:57.917 --> 00:17:02.137 Chris Palmer, a psychiatrist who does a lot of work investigating the impact 00:17:02.137 --> 00:17:03.497 of nutrition on mental health. 00:17:03.817 --> 00:17:08.597 And his little snippet, I think it was probably the most noteworthy, 00:17:08.637 --> 00:17:16.097 he said, they don't want causes discovered of chronic illness. 00:17:16.357 --> 00:17:20.497 They don't want this discovered. I think the same can apply to 9-11. 00:17:20.797 --> 00:17:22.977 They don't want to know the answers. 00:17:25.397 --> 00:17:32.457 Okay. And like I say, when you consider the geopolitical ramifications of actually 00:17:32.457 --> 00:17:36.197 knowing the truth, again, I don't know what the truth is, but I could imagine, 00:17:36.197 --> 00:17:37.377 I've heard different theories, 00:17:38.077 --> 00:17:42.717 the geopolitical ramifications of the actual truth on 9-11 might be pretty devastating. 00:17:45.502 --> 00:17:48.262 It might completely upend the world order as we know it. 00:17:48.402 --> 00:17:52.342 So again, I understand why powerful institutions might be uncomfortable with 00:17:52.342 --> 00:17:54.042 questions being asked along these lines. 00:17:54.282 --> 00:17:58.322 And unfortunately, I think people have lost their lives for less than asking 00:17:58.322 --> 00:18:01.642 questions about uncomfortable events like this. So I take it very seriously. 00:18:02.002 --> 00:18:06.142 Let's talk about that issue that you raise quite rightly, the issue of trust, 00:18:06.322 --> 00:18:10.562 the fundamental issue of trust and the public's lack thereof in governmental 00:18:10.562 --> 00:18:12.602 institutions for obvious reasons. 00:18:12.602 --> 00:18:17.062 I mean, obviously what just took place with regards to the COVID scandemic being 00:18:17.062 --> 00:18:22.202 a very, very good example of why the public has completely lost trust in its institutions. 00:18:22.202 --> 00:18:28.042 And I imagine most of the people in my audience have a high degree of skepticism 00:18:28.042 --> 00:18:31.942 about the possibility of a new 9-11 investigation coming from the U.S. 00:18:32.262 --> 00:18:35.462 Government. Don't worry, we investigated and found ourselves guilty of nothing. 00:18:36.262 --> 00:18:41.282 The cynicism of people has reached probably record highs at this point. 00:18:41.302 --> 00:18:43.622 So let's address that specifically. 00:18:44.802 --> 00:18:49.602 What, if you were to be part of a new Senate investigation into 9-11, 00:18:49.822 --> 00:18:52.322 how would it be different than the ones that have been conducted before? 00:18:52.502 --> 00:18:56.782 Why would you be hopeful that there would be actual information forthcoming 00:18:56.782 --> 00:18:57.822 from such an investigation? 00:18:58.262 --> 00:19:01.362 Well, because people like you who have dug into this thing now for, 00:19:01.362 --> 00:19:08.742 you know, 20, almost 25 years, you've dug up an awful a lot of information if 00:19:08.742 --> 00:19:11.502 given a platform, if given a forum, 00:19:12.022 --> 00:19:16.062 for more Americans to see as opposed to, I don't know what you're following is on social media. 00:19:16.482 --> 00:19:20.422 But again, they do a pretty good job of suppressing this kind of information. 00:19:21.542 --> 00:19:27.362 But if you're actually given a public forum and, quite honestly, the legitimacy of a U.S. 00:19:27.402 --> 00:19:29.982 Senate hearing, more people would have their eyes open. 00:19:30.422 --> 00:19:34.222 So I think that would be groundbreaking. Yeah. 00:19:35.420 --> 00:19:39.940 Well, you said it yourself. It was 20 years after the events before you saw 00:19:39.940 --> 00:19:42.220 Building 7 and what happened to it. 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:46.180 That is shocking. I mean, you would think a U.S. senator, of course they know 00:19:46.180 --> 00:19:47.920 about Building 7. No, maybe they do not. 00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:50.560 And what about the average person on the street? 00:19:50.820 --> 00:19:55.320 Probably has no idea what Building 7 even is, let alone why they should be interested in it. 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.760 So yes, getting this information in front of a wider audience, 00:19:58.980 --> 00:20:01.260 shall we say, might be important, at the very least, 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:08.320 to get public perception, public information at a higher level than what we're 00:20:08.320 --> 00:20:10.620 used to, unfortunately, from the mainstream media. 00:20:10.900 --> 00:20:14.720 So let's talk about the process. I mean, what is it that you're proposing exactly, 00:20:14.780 --> 00:20:18.220 a Senate Oversight Committee investigation or some other form of investigation? 00:20:18.360 --> 00:20:21.560 Right now, I'm not proposing anything. I haven't scheduled a hearing. 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:29.260 I'm somewhat open for business. I had a very interesting chance encounter with 00:20:29.260 --> 00:20:33.600 a gentleman that was leaving the Hart building as I'm walking in, gave me his name. 00:20:34.180 --> 00:20:38.900 Said that he was government employee that volunteered to help clean up 9-11. 00:20:38.900 --> 00:20:46.180 He was assigned to go out someplace, it might have been in New Jersey, 00:20:46.280 --> 00:20:49.760 you probably know about this site, where they took all the steel, 00:20:50.180 --> 00:20:52.760 which, again, is just another bizarre thing. 00:20:53.020 --> 00:20:56.940 I understand I wanted to clean it up, but then, as the firefighters point out, 00:20:56.940 --> 00:21:03.500 You know, broke every rule or law or regulation as relates to firefighting investigations 00:21:03.500 --> 00:21:04.560 and got rid of all the evidence. 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:10.920 But what this fellow was designed to do is sift through the remains or the debris 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:16.220 of, I believe, Building 7 and pick out anything that looked like an electronic device. 00:21:19.020 --> 00:21:25.040 He said he left his name by front office. They have no record of it. 00:21:25.040 --> 00:21:28.400 So, you know, I'd like this guy to recontact me. 00:21:28.660 --> 00:21:32.380 But maybe you know other people who were on the same crew. 00:21:32.800 --> 00:21:36.440 But that's just sort of suspicious right there. I mean, they're wholesale moving 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:39.340 this stuff out, selling it out to China, get rid of it. 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:42.380 But yet they're separating out all the electronic components. 00:21:42.620 --> 00:21:46.740 Again, it's just a bit of evidence, something that, you know, 00:21:46.800 --> 00:21:48.680 a legitimate, what was all that about? 00:21:49.040 --> 00:21:54.340 You know, first of all, do we know who ordered the removal of all that debris? 00:21:54.340 --> 00:21:59.780 Do we know who ordered it then sent over to China and destroyed? 00:22:00.520 --> 00:22:06.440 Who made those decisions? Have we ever gotten answers on that? And I'm asking you. 00:22:07.080 --> 00:22:11.120 I mean, again, those are just, you know, Richard Gage put together a very good, 00:22:11.260 --> 00:22:16.500 about a 50-question list of the major questions, right? 00:22:17.020 --> 00:22:20.280 That list of questions raises questions in my mind. 00:22:20.980 --> 00:22:26.560 So, again, the way I would structure a hearing literally just be ask the questions. 00:22:26.620 --> 00:22:29.900 What are the outstanding questions that probably ought to be answered? 00:22:30.060 --> 00:22:31.640 Try and organize it in a... 00:22:34.619 --> 00:22:38.559 In a manner that is revealing, okay, that is convincing. 00:22:40.439 --> 00:22:43.959 Just to not leave that information hanging, I would suggest people check out 00:22:43.959 --> 00:22:49.479 my 9-11 Suspects series on, for example, Rudy Giuliani to talk about the destruction 00:22:49.479 --> 00:22:51.959 and removal, the illegal removal of the debris. 00:22:52.379 --> 00:22:56.039 Also, in my 9-11 Trillions documentary, I talk about Convar, 00:22:56.199 --> 00:23:00.639 the German firm that was hired to go through the recovered hard drives from 00:23:00.639 --> 00:23:06.839 the WTC and what did not come out of that investigation is probably worth people's time and attention. 00:23:06.979 --> 00:23:10.599 But there's, as you say, there's a million pieces of information like that that 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:15.019 deserve following up in a way that will have actual teeth to it. 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:19.319 Ultimately, I think it would be great if we could get some actual on-the-record 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:23.719 testimony from people under oath. That would be at least a step in the right direction. 00:23:24.639 --> 00:23:28.159 I'm sure you're aware that former Congressman Curtis Weldon has been calling 00:23:28.159 --> 00:23:30.719 for the empaneling of a new 9-11 commission, 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:33.979 would you a presidential commission of inquiry would you 00:23:33.979 --> 00:23:37.419 be interested would you be supportive of such an initiative i would 00:23:37.419 --> 00:23:40.419 that would take the president to do that uh you 00:23:40.419 --> 00:23:43.199 know right now i think this president's got a lot of a lot of irons in the fire 00:23:43.199 --> 00:23:47.359 so i'm not sure you know how much time and quite honestly political capital 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:52.239 he wants to spend doing that i do know the firefighters if that commission were 00:23:52.239 --> 00:23:58.319 to be appointed want no politicals involved and i i don't disagree with I mean, 00:23:58.479 --> 00:24:01.639 you want structural engineers, you want expert. 00:24:03.102 --> 00:24:07.022 People that are experts in the different issues here, again, 00:24:07.142 --> 00:24:10.002 the same kind of folks are putting together these documentaries. 00:24:10.282 --> 00:24:15.002 Those people you are on the commission, totally divorced outside of government. 00:24:16.042 --> 00:24:20.862 Part of the problem here, you go back to George Washington who warned us in 00:24:20.862 --> 00:24:23.962 his farewell speech about foreign entanglements. 00:24:24.382 --> 00:24:26.702 We haven't heeded his warning very well. 00:24:28.042 --> 00:24:31.462 When you are entangled in all these foreign operations, I mean, 00:24:31.642 --> 00:24:37.842 you can justify, well, you do need to keep some secrets inside government for 00:24:37.842 --> 00:24:38.742 national security, right? 00:24:39.522 --> 00:24:42.802 Well, if you didn't have so many frickin' foreign entanglements, 00:24:42.942 --> 00:24:45.182 you wouldn't have to keep so many frickin' secrets, right? 00:24:47.022 --> 00:24:51.182 So I think there's a growing recognition in America that maybe we're a little 00:24:51.182 --> 00:24:54.662 too far flung. Maybe we put our nose in too many people's business. 00:24:55.242 --> 00:24:58.702 Maybe we ought to concentrate on our own. And if we did that, 00:24:59.242 --> 00:25:02.242 again, there's no justification in my mind. 00:25:02.762 --> 00:25:09.602 For example, CDC and the FDA withholding all the information on vaccine injuries and what they knew. 00:25:09.802 --> 00:25:13.982 And, you know, there just isn't. I mean, here we are five years after that, 00:25:14.242 --> 00:25:17.302 after, you know, four or five years after the pandemic. 00:25:17.502 --> 00:25:20.902 And, you know, I'm still, you know, Bobby Kennedy has, we've turned over something 00:25:20.902 --> 00:25:25.062 like eight and a half million pages initially now. That's pretty radical transparency, 00:25:25.082 --> 00:25:26.542 but that's pretty overwhelming as well. 00:25:26.722 --> 00:25:30.282 But it took a new administration, somebody like Bobby Kennedy, 00:25:30.362 --> 00:25:35.462 to break that logjam of information being held by CDC and FDA. 00:25:35.602 --> 00:25:38.142 Now, we don't know how much of it's already been destroyed. 00:25:38.522 --> 00:25:43.622 Again, when you get information from government, you always have to take it 00:25:43.622 --> 00:25:46.542 with a grain of salt because you just realize that they've gotten very good 00:25:46.542 --> 00:25:48.642 at knowing how not to be FOIA'd. 00:25:49.062 --> 00:25:52.682 We uncovered that needle in the haystack. Like this Dr. 00:25:52.802 --> 00:25:58.522 Morin, who basically is bragging about how, hey, I got this gal that will tell you how to avoid FOIA. 00:25:58.682 --> 00:26:02.382 You know, don't communicate with me on my government server. Go through Gmail. 00:26:03.062 --> 00:26:08.142 We're seeing evidence of that as well. Let's talk about this over the phone, not through email. 00:26:08.622 --> 00:26:14.562 So, I mean, they're already quite good at understanding that FOIA laws can trip them up. 00:26:14.722 --> 00:26:21.302 So, they're avoiding FOIA like a plague. So it's hard to get the truth, 00:26:21.482 --> 00:26:24.482 the entire truth, all the documents out of the federal government because they 00:26:24.482 --> 00:26:25.882 either destroy them or they don't create them. 00:26:27.678 --> 00:26:31.338 You know, that's a great example. And for people who want to know more about 00:26:31.338 --> 00:26:33.198 that, the search term to use is FOIA lady. 00:26:33.398 --> 00:26:36.878 I have the FOIA lady who lets me know how to avoid that information. Yeah. 00:26:37.678 --> 00:26:41.678 It's just an example. And we got that email, not from the government. 00:26:42.238 --> 00:26:48.398 We got that email from a university that had been on the distribution list of that email. 00:26:48.838 --> 00:26:52.698 So the government never turned over, but, you know, university did. 00:26:52.918 --> 00:26:59.758 And again, my staff going through like 115,000 pages of documents pulled that 00:26:59.758 --> 00:27:00.918 needle out of that haystack. 00:27:02.738 --> 00:27:05.518 Absolutely incredible and think of how many more needles are in all of 00:27:05.518 --> 00:27:08.698 the haystacks that are out there so i think again who 00:27:08.698 --> 00:27:11.518 knows what you're going to find when you start investigating you know you've raised the 00:27:11.518 --> 00:27:15.158 uh the covet issue because i know you have been dogged on that issue over the 00:27:15.158 --> 00:27:18.578 past few years for people that don't know tell us about your efforts um in trying 00:27:18.578 --> 00:27:22.998 to achieve justice for the people who have been vaccine uh harmed over the past 00:27:22.998 --> 00:27:26.938 few years yeah i mean that's a real tragedy it's probably the main reason i 00:27:26.938 --> 00:27:31.138 ran for a third term i'd rather be home um but But, 00:27:31.238 --> 00:27:35.938 again, I was holding hearings with Chairman of Homeland Security on early treatments. 00:27:36.618 --> 00:27:41.438 And, of course, the doctors that testified had their careers destroyed, people like Dr. 00:27:41.538 --> 00:27:44.818 McCulloch and Pierre Corey and others. 00:27:46.478 --> 00:27:51.958 Again, makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, to this day, I don't know why don't 00:27:51.958 --> 00:27:55.458 we spend more time investigating treatment for disease. 00:27:55.978 --> 00:28:01.618 Again, because vaccines, there's no liability to them. They're multi-billion 00:28:01.618 --> 00:28:05.798 dollar businesses, and that's the way we've set the thing up. 00:28:06.418 --> 00:28:09.698 So anyway, so I'm holding hearings on early treatment. 00:28:10.058 --> 00:28:14.958 People are getting injured. I fortunately was connected very early on with Michael Eden. 00:28:15.278 --> 00:28:20.118 He was a 30-year employee of Pfizer, ended up Senior Vice President of Research. 00:28:20.318 --> 00:28:23.798 His background's in toxicology. He went through... 00:28:24.906 --> 00:28:29.046 All the reasons that he was beside himself when he found out what his colleagues 00:28:29.046 --> 00:28:30.026 were doing with that injection. 00:28:30.406 --> 00:28:34.246 I said, Ron, there's a long list of ingredients we don't put in injectables 00:28:34.246 --> 00:28:35.866 because they're toxic to the body. 00:28:36.006 --> 00:28:39.726 When I found out my colleagues were actually going to produce something that 00:28:39.726 --> 00:28:43.826 was going to turn the body's cells into a manufacturer of something that was 00:28:43.826 --> 00:28:47.806 toxic to it, I couldn't believe it. He literally was beside himself. 00:28:48.706 --> 00:28:51.946 That conversation right there convinced me, there was no way I was ever going 00:28:51.946 --> 00:28:53.646 to take that experimental injection. 00:28:53.866 --> 00:28:59.626 And as a result, I was actually watching the safety surveillance systems that FDA and CDC were touting, 00:29:00.186 --> 00:29:04.526 before they got their emergency use authorization to then once the data started 00:29:04.526 --> 00:29:09.446 coming in and they had to hire more people because the adverse event reports were so overwhelming, 00:29:10.026 --> 00:29:12.146 then they started denigrating their own VAIR system. 00:29:12.326 --> 00:29:15.686 So all of that, you know, you can't rely on that. I mean, false reports and 00:29:15.686 --> 00:29:17.966 it doesn't prove causation. 00:29:19.286 --> 00:29:23.646 But I was watching. And so I raised the issue, I think, with Francis Collins 00:29:23.646 --> 00:29:26.446 about what was happening on VAERS, the thousands of deaths. 00:29:26.626 --> 00:29:31.086 At that time, 46% of those deaths, there were a couple thousand, 00:29:31.426 --> 00:29:36.386 were occurring on the day of injection or within one or two days. This is in April 2021. 00:29:37.106 --> 00:29:40.246 And Francis Collins, in a meeting with some other Republican senators, 00:29:40.366 --> 00:29:42.606 they're all paying themselves in the back that they got the test gets right. 00:29:43.646 --> 00:29:47.946 So I'm the skunk in the room. So, you know, Dr. Collins, are you paying attention 00:29:47.946 --> 00:29:49.026 to what your VAERS is saying? 00:29:49.146 --> 00:29:53.066 And he said, Senator, we've determined six people have died from the J&J injection. 00:29:54.290 --> 00:29:58.090 But other than that, you know, Senator, people die. That's how cows it was. 00:29:58.210 --> 00:30:01.430 So I'd raise that issue. I kept publishing my VAERS chart. 00:30:01.710 --> 00:30:07.150 When I'd go on media, those media figures would sometimes be deplatformed by Facebook. 00:30:07.510 --> 00:30:11.150 Just because I'm showing the actual data from, I'm not making it up, 00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:14.870 I'm showing the actual data, the growing number of deaths being reported worldwide. 00:30:14.870 --> 00:30:17.690 You know, what percent are occurring on day zero, one, or two. 00:30:17.690 --> 00:30:22.590 Who finally got contacted by a former Green Bay Packer, Ken Rutgers, 00:30:22.790 --> 00:30:24.630 a lineman, whose wife was vaccine injury. 00:30:25.110 --> 00:30:30.470 And he's, can you help us? And he said, well, I can provide you a form. 00:30:31.270 --> 00:30:34.450 I can give you a platform. I guess that's what I'm kind of offering to people 00:30:34.450 --> 00:30:36.870 who are questioning about 9-11. I can offer a platform. 00:30:37.770 --> 00:30:41.210 Again, understand what you're subjecting yourself to. And, of course, 00:30:41.330 --> 00:30:44.270 we did this in June of 2021 in Milwaukee. 00:30:44.690 --> 00:30:48.110 We had Brianne Dressen there. We had Maggie DeGarry. We had, 00:30:48.110 --> 00:30:51.030 you know, people with just heartbreaking stories. 00:30:51.870 --> 00:30:56.470 And of course, the media, we were about a dozen Wisconsin news media cameras there. 00:30:57.410 --> 00:31:00.510 You would think they would show some level of sympathy with these victims. 00:31:00.730 --> 00:31:04.330 Now, the first question out of Ken Rutgers was, oh, you can try and make money off a lawsuit here. 00:31:06.050 --> 00:31:10.590 So that, you know, again, kind of a long story. 00:31:10.950 --> 00:31:16.430 But that's how I got involved in advocating for the vaccine injured because nobody else would. 00:31:16.950 --> 00:31:20.310 Or quite honestly, nobody else is. Very few people. 00:31:20.510 --> 00:31:23.630 Okay, you've got children's health defense. I mean, those people who've been, 00:31:23.930 --> 00:31:28.650 you know, the Bobby Kennedy kind of kept at arm's length as he's doing his environmental talks. 00:31:28.770 --> 00:31:33.010 But finally, a mom found out where he lived, came up with a stack of research. 00:31:33.310 --> 00:31:36.410 So I'm not leaving to look at this. And to Bobby Kennedy's credit, 00:31:36.570 --> 00:31:41.830 he read the research on childhood vaccine injuries and he wouldn't turn his back on them. 00:31:41.890 --> 00:31:44.430 And that's the secret here, James. 00:31:45.790 --> 00:31:50.870 Once people's eyes are opened, it's pretty darn difficult to close them. 00:31:51.210 --> 00:31:57.050 Now you can force them to close them, you can turn your back, but it's pretty hard. 00:31:57.150 --> 00:31:59.450 And that's certainly what we're finding with the, for example, 00:31:59.570 --> 00:32:03.310 the mRNA, which by the way, it's not true mRNA, it's modified, 00:32:03.310 --> 00:32:04.810 so it doesn't degrade in the body. 00:32:04.890 --> 00:32:08.630 So now it's circulating the body, they have no idea where, how long it's gonna exist, okay? 00:32:08.890 --> 00:32:11.710 It's out of control. But. 00:32:12.654 --> 00:32:17.114 No, I lost my train of thought. Well, let me just comment on that because you 00:32:17.114 --> 00:32:18.714 make a number of important points, one of which, 00:32:18.854 --> 00:32:22.874 let me just commend you for avoiding that term vaccine and using the correct 00:32:22.874 --> 00:32:27.654 experimental mRNA injection terminology to use, because I think we do have to 00:32:27.654 --> 00:32:30.134 speak about this. And you're exactly right. It's modified RNA. 00:32:30.354 --> 00:32:32.254 That's the mod in Moderna, is it not? 00:32:32.674 --> 00:32:36.994 So I think a lot of people are not, again, like Building 7 or these types of 00:32:36.994 --> 00:32:40.874 issues, are not informed of the fundamental bedrock questions in this. 00:32:40.874 --> 00:32:44.474 And we have been exhorted to trust the science, which is, of course, 00:32:44.634 --> 00:32:49.194 why faith in science and institutions surrounding that has plummeted over the 00:32:49.194 --> 00:32:50.754 past few years because people were lied to. 00:32:51.254 --> 00:32:54.874 Having said that, as I say, the cynicism and skepticism is rising, 00:32:54.874 --> 00:32:58.014 and I can certainly attest to that from even my own audience. 00:32:58.174 --> 00:33:00.614 Many people very skeptical of, say, Bobby Kennedy. 00:33:00.854 --> 00:33:05.114 If he knows about the harm that is being caused by these injections, 00:33:05.414 --> 00:33:10.674 why did he not on day one just outlaw all of the experimental mRNA injection 00:33:10.674 --> 00:33:12.994 technology until it can be proven safe and effective. 00:33:13.694 --> 00:33:17.154 What do you say to that? For people who do not know the political process and 00:33:17.154 --> 00:33:22.174 how political capital is actually accrued and spent, how do you address that kind of cynicism? 00:33:22.434 --> 00:33:26.154 Well, I understand he's taking over an agency that has tens of thousands of people. 00:33:26.574 --> 00:33:29.334 Most of them are completely opposed to what he's trying to do. 00:33:29.694 --> 00:33:34.554 Some of them are complicit and culpable in this, you know, in line to the American 00:33:34.554 --> 00:33:37.454 public covering up those lies. You know, saying it was going to stay in your 00:33:37.454 --> 00:33:39.814 arm when they knew it was going to biotribute all over the body. 00:33:40.394 --> 00:33:44.634 So he's up, and he's up against powerful forces. I mean, I think they are, 00:33:44.794 --> 00:33:47.914 and you've heard reports, you've seen things, they're literally spending millions 00:33:47.914 --> 00:33:49.894 to just destroy him, okay? 00:33:50.514 --> 00:33:54.514 And they're ramping it up. And, you know, you see the, we'll call it a kerfuffle 00:33:54.514 --> 00:33:58.594 at the CDC and all these people resigning and stuff, you know, good riddance, okay? 00:33:58.634 --> 00:34:02.474 I think something like 1,000 CDC employees have signed a letter to, 00:34:02.694 --> 00:34:06.174 you know, asking him to be fired. well, good, you just identified yourself, 00:34:06.494 --> 00:34:08.014 they ought to lose their job as well. 00:34:09.614 --> 00:34:14.234 But no, we are up against powerful forces. Now, I will say on the mRNA, 00:34:14.994 --> 00:34:17.554 again, science has been corrupted. 00:34:18.014 --> 00:34:22.214 I think that's obvious. When you pay for science, you get the result you want. 00:34:22.374 --> 00:34:24.774 And so you got pharmaceuticals companies paying for science. 00:34:24.894 --> 00:34:25.914 They do their own studies. 00:34:26.654 --> 00:34:28.074 They've captured the agencies. 00:34:30.014 --> 00:34:30.414 But... 00:34:33.727 --> 00:34:37.227 My problem with this is you go down so many different rabbit holes here. 00:34:38.127 --> 00:34:43.287 But the bottom line is you're up against powerful forces. He's trying to thread 00:34:43.287 --> 00:34:45.967 a needle. I'm also the author of Right to Try. 00:34:46.707 --> 00:34:52.367 So I can't tell you definitively, did the mRNA, did it help save lives? 00:34:52.367 --> 00:34:58.247 I think a lot of, you know, even skeptics will at least admit, 00:34:58.327 --> 00:35:02.727 well, it did boost antibodies. And for the vulnerable, you might have had a higher antibody level. 00:35:02.987 --> 00:35:06.267 And, you know, particularly for the elderly or people with comorbidities, 00:35:06.507 --> 00:35:10.007 it might have reduced the severity of the illness, might have saved lives. 00:35:10.087 --> 00:35:11.307 And that's entirely possible. 00:35:11.447 --> 00:35:14.987 I can't, you know, there's no good study on that, but that's entirely possible. 00:35:15.187 --> 00:35:18.887 So, you know, this is a platform. I think the mRNA platform, 00:35:19.127 --> 00:35:22.647 particularly for things like cancer, is very promising. 00:35:23.227 --> 00:35:27.847 Okay, we're trying to advance science here. should have been used in a mass 00:35:27.847 --> 00:35:29.987 vaccination campaign in the midst of the pandemic. 00:35:30.187 --> 00:35:34.607 I would argue absolutely not. People like Gert von den Bosch would certainly 00:35:34.607 --> 00:35:37.787 back me up on that. I'm just basically quoting him. 00:35:38.867 --> 00:35:43.367 So, again, the world is not black and white. 00:35:43.907 --> 00:35:48.347 There can be real benefits to mRNA therapy. It's gene therapy, 00:35:48.367 --> 00:35:51.147 but let's not lie about it. Let's give people informed consent. 00:35:51.387 --> 00:35:54.127 And that's basically what's happening. I think that's the hopeful sign here. 00:35:54.127 --> 00:35:58.907 When you have, I think a Rasmussen report said something like a quarter of the 00:35:58.907 --> 00:36:02.267 American public believe they know of somebody who died from the injection. 00:36:03.147 --> 00:36:09.687 You know, more than 50% knew somebody who was seriously injured by the injection. You can't hide that. 00:36:10.187 --> 00:36:14.647 Again, this was administered to, you know, billions of people. 00:36:16.147 --> 00:36:19.307 People saw it. They saw it with their own eyes. They're not denying it. 00:36:19.727 --> 00:36:21.627 So that's hard to cover up. 00:36:22.947 --> 00:36:26.227 You know, people like you with 9-11, you just need larger platforms. 00:36:26.407 --> 00:36:32.007 More people need to understand the legitimate questions that simply have not been answered. 00:36:34.447 --> 00:36:38.387 Excellent. Well, we will agree to disagree on the potential utility for mRNA injections. 00:36:38.627 --> 00:36:42.107 I think they are a travesty in every way, and we've been lied to top to bottom 00:36:42.107 --> 00:36:46.007 about them. But perhaps that is getting a bit off of the main topic of today. 00:36:46.467 --> 00:36:51.827 Let's get back to the fundamental bedrock here, Turning the Tide, 9-11 Justice in 2025. 00:36:52.427 --> 00:36:55.747 You are going to be appearing there along with, as I mentioned, 00:36:55.927 --> 00:36:58.607 former Congressman Kurt Weldon, former Congressman Dennis Kucinich, 00:36:58.767 --> 00:37:02.307 Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer, CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, 00:37:02.427 --> 00:37:06.287 and a host of researchers who have spent decades looking into these questions. 00:37:06.467 --> 00:37:08.767 Tell us about this event and what you're going to be speaking about. 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:13.800 I'll probably leave the audience as unsatisfied as I'm leaving you. 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:19.240 Again, I'm not an expert on this. And I know I ventured into the whole COVID 00:37:19.240 --> 00:37:21.080 realm here and the injection realm. 00:37:21.260 --> 00:37:23.860 But it's the same issue. 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:28.840 It's the exact same issue. It is government not being honest with the American public. 00:37:29.080 --> 00:37:33.240 Even though we pay for government, we pay for these studies, we pay their salaries. 00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:38.240 But they're insulated from us. And they believe they're a power unto themselves. 00:37:38.240 --> 00:37:43.220 Whether it's in the CIA, the FBI, Department of Justice, NIH, 00:37:43.780 --> 00:37:47.940 FDA, CDC, it's the same problem, it's the same issue. 00:37:48.180 --> 00:37:53.020 And I would argue the root cause here literally is the size, 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:58.600 scope, cost of government and its influence over our lives. It's way too big. 00:37:58.900 --> 00:38:06.300 It's way too big. Back in 1930, the federal government consumed about 3.5% of our GDP. 00:38:07.160 --> 00:38:13.720 Back then, state and local governments were 9.1%. That was the foundational premise of this nation. 00:38:14.740 --> 00:38:18.160 Most government, close to the government, governed where it's more effective, 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.420 more efficient, more accountable, right? We've turned that on its head. 00:38:22.020 --> 00:38:26.480 Under Obama, government reached 24.4% after the Great Recession. 00:38:26.660 --> 00:38:30.340 Last year, we're at 23.9% because, as Rahm Emanuel said, boy, 00:38:30.420 --> 00:38:32.460 never let you good prices go to waste, and they didn't. 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:38.760 We went from $4.4 trillion in spending in 2019 prior to the pandemic to $6.5 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:40.160 trillion, and we never looked back. 00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:45.420 This year, we're going to spend over $7 trillion, and as much as I've been screaming 00:38:45.420 --> 00:38:49.480 about we have to return to a reasonable pre-pandemic level, just like we did after World War II, 00:38:50.447 --> 00:38:55.747 We went from 11.7% of spending up to 41. We weren't crazy enough to stay at 41%. 00:38:56.427 --> 00:39:02.847 We've been crazy enough to stay at 23.4%. Okay, but it's government that is the problem. 00:39:03.267 --> 00:39:06.967 Our founders were geniuses. They realized we're not angels. 00:39:07.167 --> 00:39:10.387 We're men and women. We're flawed. If we don't want to live in chaos and anarchy, 00:39:10.427 --> 00:39:11.747 we need some form of government. 00:39:12.327 --> 00:39:17.287 But it needed to be limited. Do only the things that they were going to enumerate in our Constitution. 00:39:18.327 --> 00:39:23.147 We've gone way beyond that. And I would argue it hasn't worked. 00:39:23.727 --> 00:39:28.367 It hasn't worked. We haven't listened to Washington in terms of staying out 00:39:28.367 --> 00:39:29.387 of foreign entanglements. 00:39:29.567 --> 00:39:34.527 We've grown government. Government causes or exacerbates more problems than it solves. 00:39:35.027 --> 00:39:41.367 So it's the same issue across the board. Government is too big. 00:39:41.587 --> 00:39:46.207 What is 9-11 about? I mean, is it? Is it our foreign entanglements? 00:39:46.247 --> 00:39:50.587 I mean, what is it? You know, if we would have been focused on America, 00:39:50.767 --> 00:39:55.727 if we had much limited government, if we paid attention to George Washington, would 9-11 even happen? 00:39:55.987 --> 00:39:58.627 No matter what happened, would it have happened? I don't know. 00:39:59.507 --> 00:40:05.667 But we need a complete rethinking in the American mind. 00:40:06.327 --> 00:40:10.447 Stop being dependent on the federal government. Shrink its size, 00:40:10.567 --> 00:40:13.287 its scope, its cost. That's the solution. 00:40:13.587 --> 00:40:16.747 But, I mean, there are very few of us who think that. 00:40:18.187 --> 00:40:22.667 Well, you can count me among them that I think, yes, we should reduce our dependency 00:40:22.667 --> 00:40:26.207 on government and increase our independence in every way, shape and form. 00:40:26.387 --> 00:40:29.647 So I agree with that. Let's let's end it on that note of Concord. 00:40:29.747 --> 00:40:32.507 And if I may be so bold as to give you some advice, Senator, 00:40:32.727 --> 00:40:36.947 I would say continue ignoring the headline writers because they matter not. 00:40:37.327 --> 00:40:39.927 Continue doing what you're doing and continue asking questions. 00:40:39.927 --> 00:40:43.587 I think people are appreciative of that, and I hope people will support people 00:40:43.587 --> 00:40:47.427 who are out there putting their careers and their reputations on the line to 00:40:47.427 --> 00:40:51.827 ask the uncomfortable questions, even if the answers are not what everyone wants to hear. 00:40:52.087 --> 00:40:54.847 Senator Johnson, thank you very much for your time. Let's direct people once 00:40:54.847 --> 00:40:57.767 again to the Turning the Tide 9-11 Justice in 2025 conference, 00:40:57.807 --> 00:41:00.327 where you'll be speaking next week. The link will be in the show notes. 00:41:00.827 --> 00:41:02.667 But on that note, thank you very much for your time today. 00:41:03.667 --> 00:41:05.467 Well, thanks for everything you've done as well. Take care.