WEBVTT 00:00:00.020 --> 00:00:04.220 I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder, 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:10.080 and finally, it's going to be so weird that people are going to have to talk about how weird it is. 00:00:10.780 --> 00:00:14.600 Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host, Chris Matthew. 00:00:14.920 --> 00:00:19.580 Today my guest is James Corbett. I've got great upcoming guests like D-Dunking 00:00:19.580 --> 00:00:24.460 Dan, Guy Anderson, Chance Garten, and John O'Connor. 00:00:24.580 --> 00:00:29.540 Be on the lookout for those. Check out my films Occult Louisiana is available on Tubi. 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:32.240 Doors of Perception is on Amazon Prime. 00:00:32.820 --> 00:00:37.640 We are booking guests for June. If you have suggestions or you'd like to be 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:41.860 a guest, email me ForbiddenKnowledgeNews at gmail.com. 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:45.980 Today I want to welcome back to the show James Corbett. He is an author, 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.060 journalist, and curator of the Corbett Report. 00:00:49.660 --> 00:00:53.300 James, welcome back. How are you doing? I'm doing all right. 00:00:53.460 --> 00:00:56.280 Thanks for having me on. Thanks so much for coming back on. 00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:01.540 Really looking forward to our discussion. We really are in the land of confusion. 00:01:01.660 --> 00:01:07.080 When I first started to wake up over a decade ago, I never thought about what 00:01:07.080 --> 00:01:12.520 it would be like if the quote-unquote truth community became just another co-opted 00:01:12.520 --> 00:01:15.900 psychological operation. But here we are. 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:19.960 We're in the middle of the post-truth, choose-your-own-adventure, 00:01:19.960 --> 00:01:24.180 mass psychosis algorithm-driven technoslavery nightmare. 00:01:24.740 --> 00:01:30.340 Every week, we're presented new opportunities to be assimilated to the Borg. 00:01:30.600 --> 00:01:37.160 And even our own president has embraced the art of meme warfare and gaslighting on an epic scale. 00:01:37.420 --> 00:01:43.260 But today, we'll once again share your observations and insights about our crumbling reality. 00:01:43.500 --> 00:01:47.820 Before we do, remind the audience just a little bit about yourself and let them 00:01:47.820 --> 00:01:49.120 know how they can find out more. 00:01:50.180 --> 00:01:53.780 Sure. I'm James Corbett of CorbettReport.com. I've been doing this for 19 years now. 00:01:53.900 --> 00:01:58.780 I started back in 2007. So I do a podcast and write articles and do interviews 00:01:58.780 --> 00:02:03.220 on pretty much everything under the sun or anything that interests me, including, 00:02:03.440 --> 00:02:10.020 of course, science and politics and geopolitics and history and philosophy and everything else. 00:02:10.020 --> 00:02:18.100 And although, yes, I certainly never knew the exact form that everything was going to take. 00:02:18.220 --> 00:02:23.640 The fact that the conspiracy reality community has been so thoroughly infiltrated 00:02:23.640 --> 00:02:26.920 and taken over is not particularly surprising to me. 00:02:27.020 --> 00:02:31.620 I've been watching it happen for decades now. And there are a few different 00:02:31.620 --> 00:02:35.180 aspects to that part of what's happening. 00:02:35.380 --> 00:02:40.140 But before we get to that, since we last spoke, the big news, 00:02:40.260 --> 00:02:43.480 of course, is the Epstein files amongst this community. 00:02:43.620 --> 00:02:51.800 But it's just another demoralizing disappointment. We don't see any justice coming from it. 00:02:52.100 --> 00:02:55.960 You can look at the information and you would think that there is more than 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:02.480 enough to at least start dozens of investigations on these horrible monsters. 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:07.180 Yet nothing's happening. People are more interested in UFOs now. 00:03:07.420 --> 00:03:13.120 It's just another one of those things that hits the memory hole and we don't 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:16.500 ever go back to it and there's never anything done about it. 00:03:16.500 --> 00:03:22.180 But as far as that goes, do you have any particular interesting observations 00:03:22.180 --> 00:03:24.060 about the information that came out? 00:03:24.900 --> 00:03:27.160 I have an interesting observation about the way you frame that, 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.420 because you started out by saying the big news amongst our crowd. 00:03:30.580 --> 00:03:35.020 But in fact, is it the big news? Because as you correctly pointed out a bit 00:03:35.020 --> 00:03:37.960 further on, no, I don't think it is the big news anymore, because now we're 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:42.120 talking about whatever Iran or UFOs or whatever else is the flavor of the week. 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.080 And this goes back to something that I identified, I believe, 00:03:45.100 --> 00:03:50.780 back in 2024. at the end of 2024 I did my year end edition of New World Next 00:03:50.780 --> 00:03:55.280 Week with James Evan Pallotto at MediaMonarchy.com where we pick a story of the year and a 00:03:55.570 --> 00:04:01.150 and a trend for next year. And my story of the year for 2025-2024 was, 00:04:01.310 --> 00:04:06.670 I believe, the 60-24 news cycle, because we all know about the 24-7 news cycle, 00:04:06.910 --> 00:04:10.690 invented by none other than recently dearly departed Ted Turner, 00:04:10.910 --> 00:04:15.510 who started CNN back in 1980 as the 24-7 news network. 00:04:15.790 --> 00:04:20.270 And that conditioned and habituated people to expect that at absolutely any 00:04:20.270 --> 00:04:23.610 time of day or night, you're up at 3 in the morning, guess what? 00:04:23.830 --> 00:04:28.290 There is some sort of news that you can tune into and there will be an announcer 00:04:28.290 --> 00:04:30.230 and a broadcaster there telling you what's what. 00:04:30.550 --> 00:04:35.330 What an amazing and wonderful invention. Of course, one of the things that that 00:04:35.330 --> 00:04:39.970 precipitated was the dawn of the era of the talking head in which you have endless. 00:04:40.370 --> 00:04:44.710 A never-ending stream of people who are brought onto these types of programs 00:04:44.710 --> 00:04:51.390 to prevaricate for any length of time on subjects that they dimly understand 00:04:51.390 --> 00:04:55.610 or perhaps don't understand at all, and it's all opinion all the time. 00:04:55.830 --> 00:04:58.790 And so that did transform our concept of what news was. 00:04:58.950 --> 00:05:03.050 But it's even worse now, because now it's not the 24-7 news cycle. 00:05:03.210 --> 00:05:07.810 It's the 60-24, as in every single minute of every single day. 00:05:07.810 --> 00:05:12.030 There is a new news cycle that is taking place on whatever social media app 00:05:12.030 --> 00:05:16.190 you have fallen down into the rabbit hole of, whether that's X or anything else. 00:05:16.350 --> 00:05:21.610 You have the infinite scroll feed, which, of course, was tailored to precisely 00:05:21.610 --> 00:05:27.370 play with your brain chemistry and to make sure that you become addicted to 00:05:27.370 --> 00:05:31.110 that never-ending scroll, the doom scroll, as it is called. 00:05:31.330 --> 00:05:37.110 And that has so fundamentally fractured our attention to the point where people, 00:05:37.250 --> 00:05:41.890 I think, are increasingly incapable of devoting concentrated thought to any 00:05:41.890 --> 00:05:44.090 particular area. And what is one 00:05:44.280 --> 00:05:47.800 Adjunct of that? Well, the Epstein files. Yeah, absolutely. 00:05:48.100 --> 00:05:52.460 In any other era of certainly the time I've been doing this or presumably for 00:05:52.460 --> 00:05:57.760 the modern era of political history would have been the biggest story of all time. 00:05:57.860 --> 00:06:01.800 We'd be still talking about it, dissecting it, going through and and finding 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:03.080 all of the nuggets in the files. 00:06:03.260 --> 00:06:06.400 But here we are just a couple of months later and it's like, whatever. 00:06:06.780 --> 00:06:11.920 And it's funny because the immediate reaction when the files first dropped, 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.760 and I saw this in my own audience when I dared to talk about it and say, 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.320 hey, guys, there's some files here. I think there's something worth looking at. 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:23.840 The immediate response from certain sectors of the so-called conspiracy reality 00:06:23.840 --> 00:06:26.280 community was, it's a sigh up. 00:06:26.540 --> 00:06:29.200 Why would they release it? So there's nothing there. 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.860 And that, to me, is the mission accomplished of William Casey, 00:06:34.100 --> 00:06:39.200 ex-director of the CIA, who famously, infamously remarked that we'll know that 00:06:39.200 --> 00:06:44.200 our misinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false. 00:06:44.420 --> 00:06:50.420 As we record this, I am in the midst of writing an editorial on the CIA one, 00:06:50.420 --> 00:06:57.060 because what people think that that phrase from William Casey means is that 00:06:57.060 --> 00:06:59.780 the CIA is just going to flood everything with disinformation. 00:07:00.400 --> 00:07:04.180 But I'm the smart one who sees through it all. So I, you know, 00:07:04.280 --> 00:07:06.220 don't worry, guys, I'll tell you what's what. 00:07:07.020 --> 00:07:11.660 But in reality, I think what that was really gesturing towards was not that 00:07:11.660 --> 00:07:16.780 everything that you believe is false. It's that you believe that. 00:07:16.940 --> 00:07:21.300 Everything is false, as in you don't believe in any truth. There is no truth 00:07:21.300 --> 00:07:23.040 that comes from any source. 00:07:23.220 --> 00:07:26.260 So as soon as the Epstein files drop, it's a PSYOP. Don't look at it. 00:07:26.940 --> 00:07:31.060 As soon as anything happens, Iran is a distraction that was sent. 00:07:31.540 --> 00:07:34.680 It has no meaning in and of itself. It was just a distraction from Epstein. 00:07:34.820 --> 00:07:38.480 And now UFOs are a distraction from Iran. And the next story is a distraction from that story. 00:07:38.640 --> 00:07:40.740 And the next story and nothing has any meaning. 00:07:40.940 --> 00:07:46.580 Nothing has any truth. And that is the point. That is the way they are breaking down what was, 00:07:46.760 --> 00:07:52.420 I think, a genuine independent media revolution that took place at the dawn 00:07:52.420 --> 00:07:56.340 of the 21st century that truly did threaten the information paradigm that had 00:07:56.340 --> 00:08:01.600 been built up in the old oligopolistic media empire of the late 20th century. 00:08:01.760 --> 00:08:04.300 How are we going to put the cork back in the bottle? Oh, no, 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:08.060 we don't put the cork back in the bottle. We smash the bottle and release everything. 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:11.620 Everything goes out. And you have fun sorting it out for yourselves, 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:14.820 guys. And meanwhile, everyone's pointing fingers at each other going, 00:08:14.940 --> 00:08:17.820 agent, agent, agent, you're an agent, you're a psyop. This is not true. 00:08:17.980 --> 00:08:20.380 It's not real. So there is no such thing as reality. 00:08:20.580 --> 00:08:23.900 And once we hit that nadir, what are you going to do? 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:29.700 And then into that maelstrom, they send the AI slop phenomenon. 00:08:30.200 --> 00:08:36.120 So now guaranteed, if the dead internet theory was just a fun theory a few years 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:41.040 ago, it is stone cold reality now. 99% of everything that you're going to encounter 00:08:41.040 --> 00:08:44.260 from this point out is generated AI slop. 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:48.380 So good luck sorting that one out, guys. That is how they win, 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.400 not just to divide and conquer on a political scale, but on the information, 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:58.400 on the epistemological scale, so that every single person becomes a completely isolated unit of one. 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:02.640 I know the truth. I see through all the lies, and everyone else is an agent. 00:09:02.900 --> 00:09:05.140 Everything else is a psyop. Yeah. 00:09:05.970 --> 00:09:14.670 On one hand, it seems like they want a certain group of people to be aware of 00:09:14.670 --> 00:09:20.550 how deep the rabbit hole goes, to be aware of how corrupt the system is. 00:09:21.330 --> 00:09:28.550 But at the same time, we've reached a point where if you have eyes to see any of this stuff, 00:09:28.930 --> 00:09:34.090 you almost want to check out of it all because you can't tell what's real, 00:09:34.090 --> 00:09:38.370 what isn't, what is a psychological operation, what's theater, 00:09:38.550 --> 00:09:41.110 who's a political actor, and who isn't. 00:09:41.490 --> 00:09:52.010 Is that what they wanted? Was the conspiracy truth movement part of the bigger picture all along? 00:09:52.170 --> 00:09:58.970 Did they have precognition of the way things would roll out as they did? 00:10:00.710 --> 00:10:05.810 I think there are two ways of looking at this. One is that absolutely everything, 00:10:06.050 --> 00:10:10.950 including your own questioning of the lies that we've been fed all our lives, 00:10:11.050 --> 00:10:18.230 is part of the grand plan of the conspirators, because they have you all planned 17 ways from Sunday. 00:10:18.230 --> 00:10:22.050 And years, decades, generations in advance. 00:10:22.190 --> 00:10:26.730 They know exactly every step of the program and they're releasing it all at 00:10:26.730 --> 00:10:30.750 the exact right time to steer you in exactly whatever direction they want. 00:10:30.890 --> 00:10:34.090 And if that is the case, then what is the point? 00:10:34.250 --> 00:10:39.490 Why are you talking to me? Why am I talking to you? Why are we doing absolutely any of this? 00:10:39.630 --> 00:10:45.410 I do not believe in that level of conspiracy that literally everything that 00:10:45.410 --> 00:10:48.890 happens is planned. It's all a psyop. It's all been planned in advance. 00:10:49.050 --> 00:10:52.390 The fact that you are waking up is part of their plan, etc., 00:10:52.390 --> 00:10:56.890 etc., is enemy propaganda. It is designed to get you to lie down. 00:10:57.250 --> 00:11:01.610 Think that they control absolutely everything, so nothing I can do could possibly 00:11:01.610 --> 00:11:03.050 matter, lie down and die. 00:11:03.290 --> 00:11:09.690 And if you accept that, then they have won. I refuse to accept that. 00:11:09.690 --> 00:11:10.890 So what is the alternative? 00:11:11.190 --> 00:11:14.410 Well, I think the alternative corresponds to the reality that we know. 00:11:14.570 --> 00:11:21.250 Yes, certainly, absolutely anything that happens, they can steer towards their agenda. 00:11:21.250 --> 00:11:27.330 But that doesn't talk about their manipulation of everything that happens. 00:11:27.330 --> 00:11:31.730 It's the manipulation that comes along after the fact to steer it into an agenda. 00:11:31.910 --> 00:11:34.050 But with that insight, 00:11:34.350 --> 00:11:37.670 we can use that for our purposes. 00:11:37.970 --> 00:11:42.930 For example, if we are interested in, say, human freedom, then we can take absolutely 00:11:42.930 --> 00:11:46.810 every problem that happens and go, look, see, if we had freedom, 00:11:46.950 --> 00:11:47.890 that wouldn't have happened. 00:11:48.010 --> 00:11:51.330 Whereas they come along and say, hey, look, this bad thing that happened, 00:11:51.450 --> 00:11:52.710 it's because you had too much freedom. 00:11:53.230 --> 00:11:59.370 Well, that's just their spin on it. And we can remove that spin and put the reality of it out there. 00:11:59.510 --> 00:12:03.510 We can use this to our advantage. But too many people are caught up in the PSYOP 00:12:03.510 --> 00:12:08.010 of they plan everything and everything there. You can't do anything to them. 00:12:08.170 --> 00:12:10.550 So and they never complete that 00:12:10.550 --> 00:12:14.670 sentence. But the sentence is completed by saying, so don't do anything. 00:12:15.010 --> 00:12:16.810 And that is the PSYOP. 00:12:17.770 --> 00:12:24.110 On one hand, there's also the fact that more and more people are becoming aware 00:12:24.110 --> 00:12:26.310 of the corruption as it unfolds. 00:12:26.370 --> 00:12:31.410 It's like they're not even trying to hide anything anymore. They are just throwing it all out there. 00:12:31.550 --> 00:12:34.830 It's like they know that they're untouchable in a sense. 00:12:35.210 --> 00:12:40.750 How are we supposed to navigate even something, for example, 00:12:40.910 --> 00:12:43.730 what just happened with Thomas Massey? 00:12:44.030 --> 00:12:48.550 We know that the elections are rigged. 00:12:48.550 --> 00:12:54.010 Some people had a glimmer of hope with Thomas Massey and what he was presenting, 00:12:54.210 --> 00:13:00.070 but you look at what happened again today with that election, obviously stolen. 00:13:00.750 --> 00:13:04.610 Are we supposed to give up voting altogether? 00:13:04.630 --> 00:13:09.810 Where are we supposed to go next now that the jig is up and most people are 00:13:09.810 --> 00:13:11.050 aware of the corruption? 00:13:13.060 --> 00:13:17.960 Excellent question. And for people who are still trapped in the myth of political authority, 00:13:18.140 --> 00:13:22.060 because there is a myth that has been implanted into your mind that makes you 00:13:22.060 --> 00:13:26.760 believe that because of some legitimation process and that process changes in 00:13:26.760 --> 00:13:28.440 different locales and different time periods, 00:13:28.580 --> 00:13:32.780 but some sort of magic ritual of putting pieces of paper in a box and them counting 00:13:32.780 --> 00:13:37.800 those pieces of paper gives other human beings special rights and privileges 00:13:37.800 --> 00:13:39.680 which average people don't. 00:13:39.680 --> 00:13:44.500 And they get to where have certain titles and sit in certain fancy offices and 00:13:44.500 --> 00:13:47.660 write laws that then become the law of the land, which, of course, 00:13:47.940 --> 00:13:51.800 none of which corresponds with actual reality, which is based on natural law 00:13:51.800 --> 00:13:55.640 and which has corresponded to, 00:13:55.820 --> 00:14:00.800 for example, the common law system from which the modern system has well, 00:14:00.940 --> 00:14:03.000 which the modern system is completely perverted. 00:14:03.780 --> 00:14:08.380 And there's a lot to say with regards to that. But I think one of the important 00:14:08.380 --> 00:14:10.740 parts of the understanding of, 00:14:10.920 --> 00:14:14.620 OK, at the very least, people are waking up to the fact that writing your suggestion 00:14:14.620 --> 00:14:18.340 and putting it in the slave suggestion box isn't going to be the fundamental 00:14:18.340 --> 00:14:19.780 solution that people are looking for. 00:14:19.780 --> 00:14:22.020 So what is the fundamental solution? 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:26.780 Yes, I dare say, and I say it loudly and proudly, that as an anarchist, 00:14:26.900 --> 00:14:32.400 no, I do not think that voting, you're going to vote your way to freedom or 00:14:32.400 --> 00:14:34.540 that you're going to vote for some political authority. 00:14:34.820 --> 00:14:38.300 Puppet to come along to save you from the problems that are being created by 00:14:38.300 --> 00:14:40.680 the political puppets. That is not how reality works. 00:14:40.820 --> 00:14:44.380 But once you come to that realization, yes, what is the solution? 00:14:44.560 --> 00:14:48.440 Well, of course, the solution that has been arrived at independently by generation 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:51.900 after generation throughout all of human history has been revolution. 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.640 And unfortunately, of course, we do see the ways that revolutions are steered 00:14:56.640 --> 00:15:01.580 and manipulated and brought back into some sort of controlled reality and are 00:15:01.580 --> 00:15:06.860 used as the steam valves to let people have some bit of steam off or or to fundamentally 00:15:06.860 --> 00:15:11.100 change the nature of the game, but in a way that's still controlled by the oligopoly. 00:15:11.280 --> 00:15:14.780 So we can look at various revolutions that have taken place throughout history 00:15:14.780 --> 00:15:17.800 and what has resulted from them. Like look at the French Revolution. 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:21.660 Yes, of course, again, that was that was steered, manipulated, 00:15:22.040 --> 00:15:26.380 instituted for a certain agenda and is in a certain way. But you know what? 00:15:26.760 --> 00:15:31.440 I'm going to go out on a limb and say Louis XVI wasn't part of that agenda. 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:36.240 Yeah, genuine heads roll, genuine people who believe themselves to be, 00:15:36.680 --> 00:15:41.000 At the top of the hierarchy, or at least if safely ensconced in the oligarchy, 00:15:41.500 --> 00:15:42.740 will have their heads chopped off. 00:15:42.920 --> 00:15:45.260 There will be times of bloodshed and mayhem. 00:15:45.560 --> 00:15:49.920 And then they come along and put the pieces together in a way that satisfies 00:15:49.920 --> 00:15:55.080 people for that new time period and to move them into the next stage of the agenda. 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:59.720 So, yes, the question is, can there be, is there such a thing as a revolution 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:02.700 that actually accomplishes anything? 00:16:03.380 --> 00:16:08.040 And politically speaking, again, I, you know, again, I'm sorry, 00:16:08.180 --> 00:16:09.800 but I don't think that that is the case. 00:16:09.800 --> 00:16:14.080 If there is any political revolution throughout all of human history that I 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:17.640 could even sort of get behind, at least in terms of some of the rhetoric and 00:16:17.640 --> 00:16:20.760 some of the ideas that were being put on the table, I would say, 00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:24.080 yeah, the American Revolution sounded good from certain perspective, 00:16:24.380 --> 00:16:28.920 certain people who articulated that idea of human freedom in certain ways based 00:16:28.920 --> 00:16:33.340 on going back to the tradition of people like John Locke, but then reformulated 00:16:33.340 --> 00:16:35.180 in the Declaration of Independence, et cetera. 00:16:35.180 --> 00:16:38.040 Beautiful stirring words about human freedom, etc. 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:42.660 And what has been the result of that? And really, truly some incredibly smart 00:16:42.660 --> 00:16:47.360 people talking and writing these great letters back and forth to each other 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:49.400 and editorials and all these, 00:16:49.540 --> 00:16:55.020 the genuine work and genuine historical perspective that went into how do we 00:16:55.020 --> 00:16:58.960 found a republic that will actually last? and these people were not naive. 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:02.720 They were students of history who had studied the Roman Republic and how it 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:04.080 fell into the Roman Empire, et cetera. 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:08.300 And they, oh, we have to have checks and balances and we have to have this system, et cetera, et cetera. 00:17:08.500 --> 00:17:13.140 And what resulted from that? The greatest world empire that the world has ever seen. 00:17:13.220 --> 00:17:18.480 The most incredibly brutal offensive tyranny that absolutely violates absolutely 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:23.120 every single one of the edicts of those American revolutionaries from the 18th century. 00:17:23.340 --> 00:17:25.500 So that is the end result of 00:17:25.770 --> 00:17:28.230 what could have been the greatest political revolution, right? 00:17:28.410 --> 00:17:32.890 So yeah, I'd venture to say that a political revolution is going to lead us 00:17:32.890 --> 00:17:37.310 in some way back to the spot that we were in, or in an even worse spot. 00:17:37.470 --> 00:17:42.950 So then again, the question poses itself yet again, what is the solution? 00:17:42.950 --> 00:17:46.130 Is there a revolution that can actually make a difference? 00:17:46.490 --> 00:17:52.130 And I am still formulating my thoughts on that. But in the course of a recent 00:17:52.130 --> 00:17:55.610 podcast for my film Literature in the New World Order podcast. 00:17:55.870 --> 00:17:57.970 I was reading Powerless by Harry Turtledove. 00:17:58.560 --> 00:18:04.580 And as part of that, it's it's a I guess science fiction. It's up for the Libertarian 00:18:04.580 --> 00:18:07.220 Futurist Society's Prometheus Award this year. 00:18:07.380 --> 00:18:11.240 It's a finalist for that award because it fits into the broad category of freedom 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.000 based science fiction. But it's an alternative history, essentially. 00:18:14.260 --> 00:18:17.380 What if the Russians essentially won the Cold War? 00:18:17.620 --> 00:18:23.400 Something along those lines. And so America in this fictional world is a communist America. 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:30.180 And anyway, it's a fascinating story. I enjoyed it. You can watch my conversation with John C. A. 00:18:30.280 --> 00:18:33.060 Manley on that on the Film Literature in the New World Order podcast. 00:18:33.380 --> 00:18:38.320 But that novel was based on the essay written by Václav Havel, 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:43.960 the Czech dissident from behind the Iron Curtain, who wrote this Power of the 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:50.200 Powerless essay back in the 1970s about the question of revolution. 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:54.800 Obviously, in that time, in that context, the revolution, the potential for 00:18:54.800 --> 00:18:58.240 a revolution within the Soviet Union and what that would look like and what that means. 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:02.760 And he writes in a very, very interesting and obviously philosophically informed 00:19:02.760 --> 00:19:10.180 manner about this subject and how it is not just a question of a political reordering of society, 00:19:10.180 --> 00:19:15.780 because this is not a purely simply political problem that people are faced with. 00:19:15.780 --> 00:19:20.220 Rather, the ideology of the post-totalitarian state, as he calls it, 00:19:20.620 --> 00:19:25.220 not post-totalitarian as in after totalitarian, but a different type of totalitarian, 00:19:25.280 --> 00:19:30.080 sort of the new form of totalitarianism that he was confronting and identifying. 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:35.260 The form of that is not simply a political form. It is an ideological, 00:19:35.780 --> 00:19:37.900 but it's even beyond the ideological. 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:40.980 It goes down into the social fabric. Right. 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:45.600 And there's this entire social fabric that is woven out of these lived experiences 00:19:45.600 --> 00:19:51.320 of all of these people who are playing this kind of game of ideology and power, etc. 00:19:51.600 --> 00:19:55.200 And it's a very interesting insight, but he eventually comes to the realization 00:19:55.200 --> 00:20:00.800 that the only revolution that will actually affect the conditions of society 00:20:00.800 --> 00:20:03.940 at that point is the existential revolution. 00:20:04.460 --> 00:20:08.400 And what is an existential revolution and how does that work? 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:11.240 Well, again, as I say, I'm still formulating my thoughts on that. 00:20:11.360 --> 00:20:13.200 I will definitely have more to say about that in the future. 00:20:13.340 --> 00:20:14.440 But it certainly lines up with 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:17.080 what I've been saying basically since the start of the Corbett Report. 00:20:17.260 --> 00:20:22.000 The only revolution that matters is the revolution that takes place between your ears. 00:20:22.120 --> 00:20:25.980 That is the only one that can fundamentally change the world. 00:20:25.980 --> 00:20:29.480 You can vote all you want for whatever political institution you want, 00:20:29.620 --> 00:20:35.360 but if it is still guided by the same fundamentally flawed ideology, 00:20:35.360 --> 00:20:39.800 it will arrive at the same place as we started off from. 00:20:40.040 --> 00:20:44.780 So that is my gesture towards what we have to work towards, an existential revolution 00:20:44.780 --> 00:20:49.280 that completely changes our perception of ourselves and our place in the universe, etc. 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:55.600 Easier said than done, I realize, but anything less than that is just going to be part of this game. 00:20:55.980 --> 00:20:58.800 Right on. I love that existential revolution. 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:04.320 Let's get your thoughts on AI, the emerging surveillance state, 00:21:04.560 --> 00:21:12.480 the emerging data centers and how we can navigate the future as these things emerge. 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:17.540 I look around my own town and I can see the emerging surveillance, 00:21:17.900 --> 00:21:21.600 streetlight cameras everywhere, flock cameras coming on. 00:21:21.800 --> 00:21:28.220 What are your thoughts on how to navigate this and is there anything that we 00:21:28.220 --> 00:21:31.900 can do on an individual basis to combat this? 00:21:33.300 --> 00:21:36.420 OK, excellent and important questions. And if people want to hear my thoughts 00:21:36.420 --> 00:21:41.080 on this in greater detail, they can go to a recent Solutions Watch that I released 00:21:41.080 --> 00:21:42.940 on Butlerian Jihad When, 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:50.020 which takes its cue from an interesting factoid that I saw as you might have 00:21:50.020 --> 00:21:53.420 seen that recent story about some crazy guy went to Sam Altman's house with 00:21:53.420 --> 00:21:56.180 a Molotov cocktail. and three of the Grimmolotov cocktail. 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.260 It damaged nothing. It killed no one. It was not a real threat. 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:04.140 But anyway, this crazy guy went there because specifically, of course, 00:22:04.300 --> 00:22:08.040 he wants violence and bloodshed, some sort of revolution against the AI, 00:22:08.220 --> 00:22:09.780 the would-be AI overlords. 00:22:10.060 --> 00:22:14.220 But the interesting point that jumped out at me right away was that apparently 00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:17.660 he went by the moniker Butlerian Jihadist. 00:22:18.040 --> 00:22:25.420 And immediately I thought, Butlerian Jihadist? I know that because I have read Frank Herbert's Dune. 00:22:25.840 --> 00:22:30.980 And for people who have not read Dune, the Butlerian Jihad is something that 00:22:30.980 --> 00:22:34.020 took place in the distant past of the Dune universe. 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:38.080 But the Dune universe is in the very far future. So it's it's in our future. 00:22:38.360 --> 00:22:42.400 At some point, there is the Butlerian Jihad, essentially. 00:22:42.660 --> 00:22:47.240 And it's only alluded to in the Dune novel, the original Dune novel. 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:53.940 So there's not a lot of detail there, but at some point there were thinking machines that, um. 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:59.620 Now, there's actually some detail and some nuance to the way that he frames this. 00:23:00.120 --> 00:23:04.920 Basically, people were using machines to rule other people, but that kind of gets excluded. 00:23:05.180 --> 00:23:09.000 Anyway, long story short, there are thinking machines, AI, something, 00:23:09.280 --> 00:23:13.240 whatever, robots, that at some point essentially enslave humanity. 00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:23.460 And there is a Butlerian jihad led by someone named Butler who overthrows the 00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:25.480 thinking machines, right? 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:30.000 And that becomes a core part of the Dune mythology because that's where they 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:36.340 get the edict that becomes this literally religious doctrine by the point of 00:23:36.340 --> 00:23:44.060 the Dune novels that you shall not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind. 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.660 As in, you should not make thinking machines. And that becomes this religious 00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:52.440 doctrinal point by the point of the Dune universe. And that's why there are no... 00:23:53.760 --> 00:23:57.100 Talking robots. There's no whatever. This is very far in the future, 00:23:57.120 --> 00:23:59.360 but all the machines are just just machines. 00:23:59.580 --> 00:24:02.600 And that's because of this important part of the mythology. 00:24:02.800 --> 00:24:08.600 Anyway, so apparently this crazy Molotov cocktail guy was at least motivated 00:24:08.600 --> 00:24:12.000 by that enough to adopt the name Butlerian Jihad. 00:24:12.140 --> 00:24:17.960 But it does raise the question, at what point does our opposition to the thinking 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:20.700 machines that are now coming online, 00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:26.440 at what point does that become a genuine revolutionary moment or a jihadist 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:31.720 moment where there is some sort of religious uprising against it that engages 00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:34.580 in genuine violence, genuine acts of violence, etc. 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:39.300 Well, I think to one extent, you could say that we are being prepped for that. 00:24:39.520 --> 00:24:42.400 If we're looking at it in a psy-op kind of manner, 00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:47.260 certainly you saw Larry Fink recently coming out talking about these incredibly 00:24:47.260 --> 00:24:51.260 large, you know, billion-dollar data center developments and the investment 00:24:51.260 --> 00:24:54.480 that is going into building out the data center infrastructure, 00:24:54.780 --> 00:24:57.960 but you could take it out with a $3,000 drone. 00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:00.880 And he said, it's not just Russia or China or Iran who could do that. 00:25:00.940 --> 00:25:02.280 It could be domestic terrorists. 00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:05.080 So seeding that idea into the public consciousness. 00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:10.000 And of course, we saw recently Kevin O'Leary, Canadian billionaire Kevin O'Leary, 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.420 calling out those Utah terrorists. 00:25:12.630 --> 00:25:18.050 The citizens who dared to stand up against a data center project that he's investing 00:25:18.050 --> 00:25:23.490 in, calling them out by name on Fox News, saying, you know, I think I think 00:25:23.490 --> 00:25:26.090 these guys are being funded by the Chinese Communist Party. 00:25:26.350 --> 00:25:32.010 So clearly, I think we are being set up to expect and to see some large scale 00:25:32.010 --> 00:25:33.970 act, some at the very least, 00:25:34.130 --> 00:25:41.030 some sort of large scale and very photogenic, videogenic act of terror or would-be 00:25:41.030 --> 00:25:46.770 terror regarding a data center that could then be very quickly spun into a narrative of, hey, 00:25:46.970 --> 00:25:49.970 look, see, I knew there were domestic terrorists out there and we have to crack 00:25:49.970 --> 00:25:55.790 down on anyone who would join this new Butlerian Jihad or is it a neo-Luddite movement? 00:25:56.010 --> 00:25:59.450 And in that Solutions Watch episode that, again, I think people should check 00:25:59.450 --> 00:26:05.150 out Butlerian Jihad when, I also go through the recently released book by Brian 00:26:05.150 --> 00:26:07.230 Merchant called Blood in the Machines, 00:26:07.430 --> 00:26:13.390 and it is a study of the history of specifically around 1811, 1812. 00:26:13.790 --> 00:26:17.330 The development of the Luddite movement in England specifically, 00:26:17.330 --> 00:26:23.530 and what that movement was, where it came from, what it was motivated by, 00:26:23.670 --> 00:26:26.410 how it developed, and how it was ultimately crushed. 00:26:26.730 --> 00:26:32.970 To the point that, to the extent that anyone in modern times knows or remembers 00:26:32.970 --> 00:26:38.130 the Luddite name, It is only as obviously a pejorative that's thrown out. 00:26:38.250 --> 00:26:42.210 It generally is referring to someone who is doomed, doomed to fail, 00:26:42.510 --> 00:26:47.010 doomed to fail in the fight against the progress of technology and slightly stupid. 00:26:47.270 --> 00:26:50.450 Oh, he's a Luddite. You know, he just doesn't get it. He's, you know, 00:26:50.690 --> 00:26:52.850 whatever. He's going to be gone tomorrow. 00:26:53.980 --> 00:26:58.380 But Brian Merchant, in drawing out the actual history of the real Luddite movement, 00:26:58.540 --> 00:27:02.240 which was a real, not just a machine smashing movement, 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:05.540 although that was part of what they were doing, but it was a genuine social 00:27:05.540 --> 00:27:09.520 movement that was predicated on the, obviously, 00:27:09.760 --> 00:27:13.920 the labor relations that were taking place at that time in that socio-political context. 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:18.400 It had genuine meaning and was a genuine threat to the system, 00:27:18.520 --> 00:27:23.960 which was why it had to be not just not just put down, but turned into that 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:27.660 pejorative so that by now, if you go to the bastion of truth, 00:27:27.860 --> 00:27:31.460 Wikipedia or or Google or whatever that people, 00:27:31.840 --> 00:27:33.900 the joke you normie goes to to get their truth. 00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:36.240 If they just type in the word Luddite, what is Luddite? 00:27:36.840 --> 00:27:41.360 They'll be happy to tell you, oh, it's some old movement, crazy people who were 00:27:41.360 --> 00:27:45.140 scared of machines, and they got thoroughly destroyed. And that is all you will hear about them. 00:27:45.420 --> 00:27:48.460 So I would recommend people who are interested, check out Brian Merchant's book. 00:27:48.540 --> 00:27:52.900 It puts the Luddite movement in its sociopolitical context, in historical context, 00:27:52.900 --> 00:27:58.600 and obviously then connects it to our current times and the growing big tech backlash. 00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:02.940 Are we on the cusp of some sort of neoluddite movement? What does that mean? 00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:06.900 And what could we learn from the failures of the original Luddite movement that 00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:10.060 might make this movement actually substantial in terms of, 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:14.060 again, it's not necessarily about simply smashing the machines, 00:28:14.060 --> 00:28:20.480 but about fundamentally rethinking our relations to the would-be ruling elite 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.560 and the power that they have to, for example, take up. 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:28.100 The natural resources of the world for their data center projects. 00:28:28.340 --> 00:28:33.500 Who gave them that right? Why do three councilmen in some Utah county district 00:28:33.500 --> 00:28:37.700 have the ability to overrule the vast majority of the people living in that 00:28:37.700 --> 00:28:39.500 district who do not want the data center? 00:28:40.320 --> 00:28:45.120 What is that? How does that work? If we can start to really fundamentally interrogate 00:28:45.120 --> 00:28:48.740 those questions, we might come up with some answers that might actually be uncomfortable 00:28:48.740 --> 00:28:52.900 for power, which is why they do not generally want us asking those questions. 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.860 So it will be interesting to see how this plays out. But I think we are on the 00:28:57.860 --> 00:29:02.400 cusp of that revolutionary moment. And I think everyone feels it and understands it. 00:29:02.560 --> 00:29:07.360 The only question is, can it be steered into unproductive ways or can it be 00:29:07.360 --> 00:29:13.120 used to actually change, fundamentally change the social fabric of the reality around us? 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:19.460 It's very interesting because it's obvious part of the solution is to check 00:29:19.460 --> 00:29:25.000 out of their systems as much as possible, build our own parallel systems. 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:30.860 But as we do that, they are eating up and destroying more natural resources, 00:29:31.560 --> 00:29:35.540 infiltrating the new systems that we are building. 00:29:35.540 --> 00:29:38.520 Every step we take they 00:29:38.520 --> 00:29:42.060 are a few steps ahead and they're 00:29:42.060 --> 00:29:44.880 able to co-opt all the good 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.220 things that we have started to do so it's going 00:29:48.220 --> 00:29:51.700 to be interesting to see how we can navigate what is 00:29:51.700 --> 00:29:55.220 to come with the systems that we 00:29:55.220 --> 00:29:57.960 are using right now to survive and make a 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.260 living off of you take ai for example 00:30:01.260 --> 00:30:04.360 this is taking a lot of people's 00:30:04.360 --> 00:30:08.280 jobs in many different ways also are 00:30:08.280 --> 00:30:13.520 the days of video evidence over what is going to be the future of the entertainment 00:30:13.520 --> 00:30:20.160 industry how can we trust anything that we see in media anymore so many questions 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:25.240 surrounding navigating this technological nightmare future. 00:30:26.250 --> 00:30:30.370 There absolutely are, and all of them are fascinating. Actually, just, 00:30:30.770 --> 00:30:35.270 and this may not be the fundamental existential questions that we're dealing 00:30:35.270 --> 00:30:38.150 with today, but the question of the future of the entertainment industry is 00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:41.970 not only important to everyone directly employed in that industry or all of 00:30:41.970 --> 00:30:45.270 the ancillary services that employ various other people, 00:30:45.370 --> 00:30:51.070 but just the question of that actually does get to part of what may be part 00:30:51.070 --> 00:30:53.190 of that existential revolution that we're talking about. 00:30:53.190 --> 00:30:56.630 Because really, what is the purpose of the entertainment industry at all? 00:30:56.730 --> 00:30:59.030 Why does it exist? What is it? What does it do? 00:30:59.390 --> 00:31:03.050 And if we wanted to go way back and start to look at the roots of, 00:31:03.150 --> 00:31:07.970 say, the Greek drama and how that evolved and the idea of catharsis and why 00:31:07.970 --> 00:31:12.390 people go to watch stories of things that aren't real, like, why do we care? 00:31:13.030 --> 00:31:17.450 Well, obviously there is an integral part of the human experience that probably, 00:31:17.670 --> 00:31:20.550 as people say, go back to the caveman time, sitting around the fire telling 00:31:20.550 --> 00:31:24.210 stories about the gods or whatever, to keep each other entertained, 00:31:24.810 --> 00:31:32.270 distracted, or to, in a way, live out those experiences in a mythological form 00:31:32.270 --> 00:31:37.790 that help to inform the life that we are living and our own character and who 00:31:37.790 --> 00:31:39.750 we are, shapes who we are as people. 00:31:39.750 --> 00:31:42.690 There's an important part of our identity that is wrapped up in that. 00:31:42.850 --> 00:31:45.990 I mean, these are some of the fundamental questions of what it means to be human. 00:31:46.470 --> 00:31:51.270 And that is actually at stake when we start talking about the AI slop takeover 00:31:51.270 --> 00:31:52.430 of the entertainment industry. 00:31:52.590 --> 00:31:57.490 Because certainly the entertainment industry, as it came to exist in the 20th 00:31:57.490 --> 00:32:01.650 century and that we grew up with and thus think is the entertainment industry, 00:32:01.750 --> 00:32:05.470 of course, is completely unrecognizable to people in any other era of human history. 00:32:05.470 --> 00:32:11.990 It was only enabled by the certain technological advances that advances that 00:32:11.990 --> 00:32:14.690 had been made to make that industry successful. 00:32:15.890 --> 00:32:22.010 Possible and profitable. And so, of course, the development of the ability to 00:32:22.010 --> 00:32:26.270 record people's voices obviously gives rise to the recording industry, 00:32:26.290 --> 00:32:28.590 which obviously did not exist before that point. 00:32:28.730 --> 00:32:32.850 Before that point, there was a publishing industry, which again was predicated 00:32:32.850 --> 00:32:36.190 on the printing press idea from the 15th century. 00:32:36.370 --> 00:32:42.410 But that publishing industry was the music industry of the time. 00:32:42.670 --> 00:32:49.390 And what that meant was that people would buy books of songs and they would 00:32:49.390 --> 00:32:52.230 go home and play them and learn them and play them on their piano. 00:32:52.410 --> 00:32:55.770 And that would be the form of entertainment for people in their physical proximity. 00:32:55.790 --> 00:32:58.430 And that was how music was distributed. 00:32:59.790 --> 00:33:03.550 And then the recording industry comes along and completely upends that. 00:33:03.630 --> 00:33:07.750 And suddenly not everyone has to know how to play a piano or play an instrument. 00:33:08.050 --> 00:33:10.790 Suddenly you can just listen to other people doing it. 00:33:10.950 --> 00:33:15.190 And that completely transforms people's relationship to music and to the people around them. 00:33:15.310 --> 00:33:19.270 Now you don't need to be in a community of musicians and people who can 00:33:19.510 --> 00:33:23.890 perform this music. Now you can be by yourself in a room listening to people 00:33:23.890 --> 00:33:25.090 recorded halfway around the world. 00:33:25.390 --> 00:33:30.030 That fundamentally changes the relationship, the human relationship that was 00:33:30.030 --> 00:33:31.790 at the base of the musical experience. 00:33:31.910 --> 00:33:36.810 And now it's being transformed even further because now at the very least in 00:33:36.810 --> 00:33:42.610 the old 20th century entertainment industry, well, at least someone was playing 00:33:42.610 --> 00:33:45.790 an instrument somewhere at some point and they were recorded. 00:33:45.890 --> 00:33:50.770 And so there was still people who were actually learning how to do this skill. 00:33:50.950 --> 00:33:54.930 And there were humans that were writing these songs and putting human experience 00:33:54.930 --> 00:33:57.870 into these song forms and connecting with people that way. 00:33:57.970 --> 00:34:02.510 And yeah, it's different than the pre 20th century, but still there was that human experience. 00:34:02.710 --> 00:34:07.130 Now we're removing the human element from the production of this music. 00:34:07.270 --> 00:34:12.470 Now it's not necessarily anyone actually knows how to play that piano or that 00:34:12.470 --> 00:34:16.250 guitar or whatever it is you're hearing. In fact, maybe a human didn't even 00:34:16.250 --> 00:34:17.830 write those words that you're listening to. 00:34:18.030 --> 00:34:21.270 Maybe a human didn't sing them. Maybe it's all completely synthetic, 00:34:21.270 --> 00:34:25.590 being generated by and dreamt up by some AI data god. 00:34:26.330 --> 00:34:31.310 What does that mean about the human experience that defines who we are as human 00:34:31.310 --> 00:34:32.970 beings, what we are doing at all? 00:34:33.110 --> 00:34:36.690 What is the point of an entertainment industry that is bot generated? 00:34:36.690 --> 00:34:42.230 Now we've all the only part of the human equation we have left to remove are 00:34:42.230 --> 00:34:45.810 the humans who are just imbibing this content but 00:34:46.040 --> 00:34:49.380 I think they're working on that as well with the depopulation agenda. 00:34:49.580 --> 00:34:53.260 Pretty soon, yeah, we won't need humans around to consume the content that's 00:34:53.260 --> 00:34:55.220 being created by these AI bots. 00:34:55.940 --> 00:34:59.380 That, to me, is the worrying part of this, is the removal of the human element. 00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:03.040 This is not just another, oh, it's just another, you know, you Luddite, 00:35:03.140 --> 00:35:04.920 you just don't like technological advancement. 00:35:05.160 --> 00:35:08.420 No, this is a fundamentally, this is not a difference in degree. 00:35:08.420 --> 00:35:13.560 This is a difference in kind of technological advancement, quote unquote, 00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.400 that will remove the human from the equation altogether. 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:22.000 And that that to me is the scariest part of all of this, because I know that 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:28.560 the real long term game plan of the would be Malthusian eugenicist technocratic 00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:30.680 overlords is the depopulation agenda. 00:35:31.300 --> 00:35:35.600 Everything, the world's resources for me and my progeny and maybe a few of my 00:35:35.600 --> 00:35:37.800 friends and nothing for anyone else. 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:42.440 They are slaves on the plantation until such point as we can have robot slaves 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:44.380 and then we can get rid of the real human slaves. 00:35:44.560 --> 00:35:47.080 And that is the part that we are moving towards. 00:35:47.380 --> 00:35:52.240 So even something as innocuous as the entertainment industry changeover that's 00:35:52.240 --> 00:35:56.540 happening right now is actually speaks to that fundamental question of the existential 00:35:56.540 --> 00:36:00.700 revolution that needs to happen right now. There is no later. 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:08.980 The illusion of scarcity is a major part of their control system. 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:14.560 If you look at what happened with COVID, it started a chain of events with our 00:36:14.560 --> 00:36:17.980 supply chain and the economy and pricing. 00:36:18.340 --> 00:36:26.320 You fast forward to the war that we're still dabbling in with Iran and Israel. 00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:29.580 This had a huge effect again 00:36:29.580 --> 00:36:32.900 on our supply chain and gas prices 00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:36.600 it all is starting to build 00:36:36.600 --> 00:36:43.240 up to a point to where the snowball is rolling down the hill and it's enormous 00:36:43.240 --> 00:36:53.640 and it's about to crash through everything the collapse of many systems are looming The COVID, 00:36:54.080 --> 00:36:59.540 this war, all of the high-impact events that have happened within the past few 00:36:59.540 --> 00:37:05.240 years were essentially to get that snowball rolling so they could destroy these 00:37:05.240 --> 00:37:10.200 old systems and implant their new technocratic nightmare. 00:37:10.520 --> 00:37:17.200 Do you think the war is mostly illusionary to perpetuate the crash of these systems? 00:37:19.230 --> 00:37:23.370 In a sense, yes, I would agree with that take, depending how it's framed. 00:37:23.650 --> 00:37:27.490 Just as I said earlier that the only revolution that matters is the revolution 00:37:27.490 --> 00:37:30.950 between your ears, I think the only war that matters is the war that is taking 00:37:30.950 --> 00:37:36.050 place for that most important battle space in the world, which is your cognitive terrain, 00:37:36.230 --> 00:37:39.610 your brain, your mind, what you think, and the way you perceive the world. 00:37:39.610 --> 00:37:41.350 That is what the war is really about. 00:37:41.530 --> 00:37:45.170 Whatever war we're talking about, whether it's the war on Iran or absolutely 00:37:45.170 --> 00:37:50.990 any other aspect of the 5G war on everyone, the fifth generation war on everyone 00:37:50.990 --> 00:37:54.830 that I have identified as the real World War III that we are already engaged in, 00:37:55.010 --> 00:37:58.970 in which it is not armies lining up on a battlefield shooting at each other. 00:37:58.970 --> 00:38:04.690 No, it is essentially every government and ruling structure on the planet against 00:38:04.690 --> 00:38:06.350 the rest of free humanity. 00:38:06.730 --> 00:38:13.110 And from that perspective, we see absolutely every aspect of this war on everything 00:38:13.110 --> 00:38:17.090 taking place all at once, whether it's the economic war, the biological war, 00:38:17.210 --> 00:38:18.830 the information war, etc. 00:38:19.450 --> 00:38:23.450 So there's a lot that that is happening right now. And it is ultimately about 00:38:23.450 --> 00:38:26.630 shaping your ideas, your thoughts, your perceptions. 00:38:26.930 --> 00:38:30.030 And this is a point that I go back to frequently, because it's something that 00:38:30.030 --> 00:38:33.710 I think we all understand, but we never think out what is what does this mean? 00:38:33.910 --> 00:38:41.650 We all understand that there is an incredible, overwhelming tidal wave of propaganda 00:38:41.650 --> 00:38:45.770 that we have been subjected to our entire lives to get us to believe certain 00:38:45.770 --> 00:38:47.990 things about the world and our place in it. 00:38:48.150 --> 00:38:58.330 But the corollary of that is that why are they propagandizing us? 00:38:58.470 --> 00:39:00.970 It is because what we think is important. 00:39:01.460 --> 00:39:06.700 If what you think has no importance, if you could believe anything and it would 00:39:06.700 --> 00:39:11.940 still all turn out the same, they would not spend their time and energy and 00:39:11.940 --> 00:39:13.980 resources propagandizing you. 00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:20.540 The fact that they spend so much time trying to get you to believe lies means 00:39:20.540 --> 00:39:24.320 that what you believe actually does matter. It really is important. 00:39:24.600 --> 00:39:30.200 So going back to the only revolution that matters, that on the individual level, 00:39:30.200 --> 00:39:34.780 which is the only level that we can directly affect, the individual level, 00:39:34.940 --> 00:39:37.740 each person has to, at the very least. 00:39:38.120 --> 00:39:43.380 Draw their lines in the cognitive battlefield space and say, here and no further. 00:39:43.620 --> 00:39:48.700 And whatever lines you decide in whatever aspect of this fight that you decide 00:39:48.700 --> 00:39:51.600 is obviously up for each individual to come to. 00:39:51.820 --> 00:39:58.020 At what point do you stop taking the plunge into the, say, the central bank 00:39:58.020 --> 00:40:01.520 digital currency or the stablecoin currency or the digital currency space? 00:40:01.600 --> 00:40:05.500 At what point do you say, no, I will not go any further in this direction? 00:40:05.500 --> 00:40:07.540 And how do you enforce that? 00:40:07.700 --> 00:40:12.380 Because once your bank starts requiring that you have a smartphone tracking 00:40:12.380 --> 00:40:16.120 device so that they can send a code every time you want to log in to your account, 00:40:16.240 --> 00:40:21.120 because there's no ATMs anymore, there's no bank tellers, now it's all done online, etc., etc. 00:40:21.340 --> 00:40:25.420 You start realizing you have been woven into this technological fabric that 00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:29.580 brings along with it everything that you don't want. So how do you start carving 00:40:29.580 --> 00:40:30.960 out a space to be different? 00:40:31.040 --> 00:40:33.980 And what does that mean? And are you willing to literally die for that? 00:40:34.120 --> 00:40:38.920 Because at some point, maybe it literally means you can't live in this world anymore. 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:41.880 You're going to starve to death if you don't go along with the system. 00:40:42.100 --> 00:40:45.700 So really, really, truly, where is that line in the sand? 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.040 And where do you go here and no further? 00:40:48.680 --> 00:40:51.740 And again, I'm not making that decision for anyone. Obviously, 00:40:51.740 --> 00:40:53.280 everyone has to make that for themselves. 00:40:53.540 --> 00:40:58.640 But you did say in passing that the collective action, which always, 00:40:58.640 --> 00:41:00.920 always fails, is not going to be what gets us through. 00:41:01.040 --> 00:41:04.800 Well, that is true, obviously, when we look at the... 00:41:05.250 --> 00:41:09.750 One step forward, 10 steps back of human history in terms of, well, 00:41:10.090 --> 00:41:14.690 you know, we're so much better now than the outright slaves of yore or the feudal 00:41:14.690 --> 00:41:20.870 peasants of yore or the, you know, the people scrabbling to eke out a meager 00:41:20.870 --> 00:41:22.390 existence from the soil and, 00:41:22.650 --> 00:41:25.110 you know, the early forms of capitalism, etc. 00:41:25.110 --> 00:41:30.230 No, now we're obviously we're much better off, but we're also actually much 00:41:30.230 --> 00:41:35.950 more enslaved in our minds, at least to the propaganda system that's been constructed around us. 00:41:35.950 --> 00:41:41.070 So yes, there's definitely an aspect of we are collectively failing. 00:41:41.290 --> 00:41:50.150 But again, I would posit that if the idea that there can be no collective movement, 00:41:50.250 --> 00:41:57.350 there can be no action outside of ourselves that actually affects positive change 00:41:57.350 --> 00:41:59.130 in the world, if we accept that, 00:41:59.330 --> 00:42:01.310 then once again, why are we talking? 00:42:01.310 --> 00:42:04.270 Why is anyone listening to us? What does any of this mean? 00:42:04.450 --> 00:42:08.770 Might as well just go lay down and die. So I have to believe that there is the 00:42:08.770 --> 00:42:13.370 possibility that individuals coming to their own conclusions about their own 00:42:13.370 --> 00:42:17.210 cognitive battle space and what they are willing and prepared to do within their 00:42:17.210 --> 00:42:22.730 own domain will be able to find ways to cooperate and work together and not agree on every issue. 00:42:23.850 --> 00:42:28.110 But you will notice that if there is anything that defines the online space, 00:42:28.290 --> 00:42:34.650 it is the ultimate divide and conquer space in which people are narrowing themselves 00:42:34.650 --> 00:42:38.430 further and further and further down into their algorithmic filter bubble so 00:42:38.430 --> 00:42:43.790 that they are surrounded by people who believe and agree on exactly every point 00:42:43.790 --> 00:42:46.010 of doctrine that they believe and agree upon. 00:42:47.030 --> 00:42:50.570 Except, wait, we agree on all of this, but you think that? 00:42:50.750 --> 00:42:55.230 That's it. I'll never talk to you again. you're an idiot or you're an agent, 00:42:55.390 --> 00:42:58.050 uh, et cetera, et cetera. So yes, I think, 00:42:58.810 --> 00:43:02.850 If there is to be some sort of collective movement that has any effect on the 00:43:02.850 --> 00:43:05.470 real world, it will take place in the real world. 00:43:05.610 --> 00:43:10.590 It will not take place online because I think if there's anything we've understood, 00:43:10.850 --> 00:43:16.650 it is that the online space is a space that just the medium is the message. 00:43:16.850 --> 00:43:21.130 This isn't about who who controls what particular server or platform or who's 00:43:21.130 --> 00:43:24.190 manipulating this algorithmic feed or the other. 00:43:24.190 --> 00:43:26.930 It is the nature of the online space 00:43:26.930 --> 00:43:31.950 itself that it precludes actual human collaboration in the real world. 00:43:32.290 --> 00:43:36.890 So I don't know about you. I just I'm not optimistic about the possibility of 00:43:36.890 --> 00:43:39.710 an online revolution actually changing the real world. 00:43:40.370 --> 00:43:47.110 All right. Do you think enough people learn from the covid operation to not 00:43:47.110 --> 00:43:52.210 be subjected to the ridiculousness of Hanta virus? 00:43:53.670 --> 00:43:56.370 Well, I guess we are seeing that experiment play out in real time, 00:43:56.390 --> 00:43:59.130 and to some extent, maybe that is what the COVID experiment, 00:43:59.510 --> 00:44:02.650 or at least one aspect of what the COVID experiment was about. 00:44:03.420 --> 00:44:07.820 It was about testing the water for exactly those types of measures and that type of thing. 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.640 Obviously, we know that there were psychological operation campaigns that were 00:44:13.640 --> 00:44:18.380 being waged by governments around the world on their own citizens during that time. 00:44:18.380 --> 00:44:21.940 And, for example, I've talked quite a bit about SPI-B, 00:44:22.160 --> 00:44:26.300 the, oh, I'm not going to remember what SPI-B, SPI-B, 00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:31.300 which is the British propaganda campaign in which some of the members of that 00:44:31.300 --> 00:44:36.400 advisory panel that was advising the British government on how to fine tune 00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:41.820 their COVID propaganda to make people obey those lockdown orders, etc. 00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:44.760 Some of the people came out and admitted, well, essentially, 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:50.960 these were the exact types of tactics that are used to facilitate torture and 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.040 or have been used by tyrannical regimes in the past. 00:44:53.220 --> 00:44:56.920 That is that is exactly what we were doing to try to manipulate the public into 00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:58.940 this. This is by their own admission. 00:44:59.200 --> 00:45:03.760 So we know that those types of campaigns have been taking place and that they 00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:07.140 are unfortunately very effective. But of course, that's not just Britain. 00:45:07.140 --> 00:45:12.000 And I've talked to people in Canada, John Carpe, talking about the Canadian version of that. 00:45:12.380 --> 00:45:16.620 Americans obviously know about the propaganda campaign that was taking place there, etc. 00:45:16.820 --> 00:45:23.700 The point is that clearly one aspect of the COVID psyop was a gigantic psychological experiment. 00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:27.920 How can we best get people to go along with this narrative? 00:45:28.140 --> 00:45:32.040 And two weeks to flatten the curve, stay home and save grandma, 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.260 all of that, where it turned out to be fairly effective. 00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:42.100 Effective enough on enough of the population that the vast majority of the population 00:45:42.100 --> 00:45:46.380 was willing to, at the very least, go along with it, if not actively believe 00:45:46.380 --> 00:45:48.220 it in their soul. But who can measure that? 00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:52.580 Anyway, we can measure compliance, at least in terms of who actually was willing 00:45:52.580 --> 00:45:56.920 to obey lockdown orders and wear the mask and take the genetic slurry, 00:45:57.060 --> 00:45:58.560 et cetera. And so there are 00:45:58.940 --> 00:46:04.080 Hard numbers that the people who run these campaigns have to work with and can 00:46:04.080 --> 00:46:06.360 further fine tune in their propaganda for the future. 00:46:06.540 --> 00:46:10.120 So now we see the next iteration of that with Hantavirus, etc. 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:15.240 I, I, I, again, I tend to be skeptical that they're going to go and pull the 00:46:15.240 --> 00:46:16.500 trigger and go all the way with this. 00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:20.160 When I saw the COVID narrative forming in early 2020. 00:46:20.540 --> 00:46:24.880 I still refused to believe because I had seen, I'd lived through Zika, 00:46:25.140 --> 00:46:26.180 I'd lived through Ebola, 00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:32.140 I'd lived through swine flu and all of these other mini tests of this biosecurity 00:46:32.140 --> 00:46:36.540 state that had happened in the preceding decade to the point where I thought 00:46:36.540 --> 00:46:38.020 this was just going to be another one of those. 00:46:38.020 --> 00:46:43.840 Yeah, the WHO will, of course, use this as a grift to generate some vaccine 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:47.580 sales for the big pharma buddies, and maybe they'll try some of their public 00:46:47.580 --> 00:46:51.420 health emergency of international concern type powers and that sort of thing. 00:46:51.500 --> 00:46:55.540 But I didn't think they were going to go all the way until they I think the 00:46:55.540 --> 00:46:59.060 point at which I knew they were actually pulling the trigger on it was when 00:46:59.060 --> 00:47:02.040 they decided to cancel the rest of the NBA season. I said, oh. 00:47:02.620 --> 00:47:04.680 Yeah, they're not going to do that unless they're OK. 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.360 So they're really going for this one. And that was the point at which I realized 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:09.680 this was the next 9-11 that was happening in real time. 00:47:10.100 --> 00:47:13.780 I have yet to see that with antivirus. I don't believe they're probably going 00:47:13.780 --> 00:47:14.880 to pull the trigger like that. 00:47:14.980 --> 00:47:20.080 But again, it's just another data point for what types of messaging works and 00:47:20.080 --> 00:47:23.760 how can we get people to accept it most effectively and. 00:47:24.060 --> 00:47:28.520 Unfortunately, we're all feeding our data into that in real time because we're 00:47:28.520 --> 00:47:33.160 all putting all of our thoughts into the online space to be scraped up and monitored 00:47:33.160 --> 00:47:37.580 and dissected by the AI algorithmic overlords. 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.420 So, but what is the solution to that? 00:47:41.580 --> 00:47:46.280 So we should just not talk to each other online. Well, okay. Yeah, agreed. 00:47:46.560 --> 00:47:50.180 So what are you going to do? How many people do you have in your physical community 00:47:50.180 --> 00:47:53.900 in reality who you can form the reality bubble with? 00:47:54.060 --> 00:47:58.780 And unfortunately, probably not a lot. Not a lot of people have that real reality 00:47:58.780 --> 00:48:00.280 bubble in real life because, 00:48:00.820 --> 00:48:05.860 again, you know, I look outside and I see all those people who just all believe 00:48:05.860 --> 00:48:10.200 all the lies, but I go online and I can find some of the people who see through the lies. 00:48:10.240 --> 00:48:15.560 So I'll stay online, which, of course, I think is part of the agenda in and of itself. 00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:20.680 Anyway, the question is, is it enough? Did enough people see through COVID to 00:48:20.680 --> 00:48:23.840 be able to come out the other side and see through things like antivirus? 00:48:24.060 --> 00:48:26.780 Again, I think that's what we're finding out right now. 00:48:28.080 --> 00:48:34.120 And because we never had the final COVID reckoning, where unfortunately COVID 00:48:34.120 --> 00:48:40.280 kind of petered out and it went from masks to Ukrainian flags in the bio pretty quickly. 00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:45.680 So there was no time or pause for reflection about, oh, we just got had. 00:48:46.020 --> 00:48:49.660 And most people didn't admit that they were had. 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:54.260 They just moved on and kind of pretended it never happened. So until we have 00:48:54.260 --> 00:48:58.500 that kind of reckoning with what really happened there, I don't think I would 00:48:58.500 --> 00:49:00.820 venture to say not enough people learned their lesson in that. 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:02.020 But again, we'll find out. 00:49:02.180 --> 00:49:06.620 We'll find out if people the real test will be when and if they do pull the 00:49:06.620 --> 00:49:10.140 trigger and try to go back into lockdown, total biosecurity mode. 00:49:10.520 --> 00:49:15.120 Will people comply with that this time? I would venture to say there would be 00:49:15.120 --> 00:49:19.520 less people in America who would be inclined to comply with. 00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:23.740 I'm in Japan, so I don't know if that helps. I would hope so. 00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:29.980 A huge part of my awakening was finding a spiritual connection, 00:49:29.980 --> 00:49:32.280 as it seems to be with many people. 00:49:32.540 --> 00:49:39.180 But with everything else, spirituality has been infiltrated from all angles. 00:49:39.180 --> 00:49:44.460 No matter what practice you're trying to find, you'll find your algorithm-sanctioned 00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:49.660 guru online telling you how to pray or what to believe in. 00:49:49.660 --> 00:49:55.080 Or where to take your spiritual practices and mostly leading you to psychosis. 00:49:55.260 --> 00:50:02.720 But it seems that the biggest contender in the co-opted spirituality realm is 00:50:02.720 --> 00:50:04.200 Christianity right now. 00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:09.980 Is this something that you're seeing as well, this Christianity weaponization 00:50:09.980 --> 00:50:12.280 and more people kind of flocking to that? 00:50:13.390 --> 00:50:17.910 Yes. Obviously, that is a narrative that has been put out there. 00:50:18.170 --> 00:50:22.690 And there have been variations on this sort of revival narrative and the, 00:50:22.790 --> 00:50:26.950 oh, the Gen Z are more religious than their parents and that sort of thing has 00:50:26.950 --> 00:50:28.510 been something that people have been floating. 00:50:28.710 --> 00:50:32.010 Although I just saw a headline, take it for what it's worth the other day, 00:50:32.130 --> 00:50:35.810 that, oh, actually, it's been disproved because, yeah, it turns out post-COVID 00:50:35.810 --> 00:50:37.430 attendance at church is down. 00:50:37.630 --> 00:50:43.550 So I'm not up. So, again, there are many ways to dissect all of that information 00:50:43.550 --> 00:50:44.750 and make of it what you will. 00:50:45.450 --> 00:50:48.630 I would ask people, instead of looking online for the answers, 00:50:48.810 --> 00:50:50.830 again, look in your actual real life community. 00:50:51.070 --> 00:50:54.910 If you go to a church, has attendance increased? Are people more passionate? 00:50:55.050 --> 00:50:58.630 Are there more young people who are interested in finding answers to the big 00:50:58.630 --> 00:50:59.990 spiritual questions or not? 00:51:00.130 --> 00:51:03.270 And come to your own conclusions, perhaps based on reality rather than what 00:51:03.270 --> 00:51:04.450 people are telling you online. 00:51:04.450 --> 00:51:10.230 But having said that, yes, that the church and various spiritual practices have 00:51:10.230 --> 00:51:14.730 been infiltrated and used to steer people for a very long time is certainly 00:51:14.730 --> 00:51:16.710 no news to anyone who's been paying attention. 00:51:16.710 --> 00:51:20.630 And specifically in the American context, 00:51:20.950 --> 00:51:24.490 I'm sure that people who are interested in the subject are familiar with, 00:51:24.730 --> 00:51:31.590 for example, the Rockefeller infiltration of the church movement in the early 00:51:31.590 --> 00:51:37.130 20th century and the development and the preparation for the coming one world religion. 00:51:37.530 --> 00:51:40.610 There's a lot of cookie crumbs on that trail for people to follow, etc. 00:51:40.610 --> 00:51:45.830 And, of course, again, it's obvious that at any point at which you have something 00:51:45.830 --> 00:51:49.850 that is powerful and has a powerful effect on the human mind, 00:51:50.070 --> 00:51:55.990 there are those with nefarious agendas in mind who are going to use them for 00:51:55.990 --> 00:51:58.490 nefarious purposes. That should not be surprising to us. 00:51:58.870 --> 00:52:02.490 In fact, I think that that's probably what... 00:52:02.540 --> 00:52:07.020 At least part of what Frank Herbert was really gesturing to in Dune. 00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:12.360 And this is where you get to the second order of the Butlerian Jihad, 00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:14.780 because of course, it seems fairly straightforward. 00:52:14.940 --> 00:52:18.060 The thinking machines enslaved the humans, the humans overthrew the thinking 00:52:18.060 --> 00:52:19.620 machines and outlawed thinking machines. 00:52:19.780 --> 00:52:24.140 But actually, viewed in the context of the Dune story, you find that actually. 00:52:24.640 --> 00:52:27.620 Well, Herbert was really creating this tale, 00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:32.120 which is brilliant in the way that he does where the hero actually turns out 00:52:32.120 --> 00:52:37.780 to be a variation of the villain and a dictator who you see his rise to that 00:52:37.780 --> 00:52:41.820 position of tyrant and he was placed in there by the creation of this elaborate 00:52:41.820 --> 00:52:45.200 mythology that had been developed for thousands of years by this... 00:52:45.710 --> 00:52:49.810 Order of nuns, the Bene Gesserit, who had been seeding this mythology about 00:52:49.810 --> 00:52:55.170 the coming chosen one, et cetera, for all this time and using that to manipulate people, et cetera. 00:52:55.370 --> 00:53:00.090 And part of that was predicated on the idea of the Butlerian jihad and the overthrow 00:53:00.090 --> 00:53:03.370 of the thinking machines that enslaved humanity. Because remember what I said 00:53:03.370 --> 00:53:06.310 earlier, it wasn't just thinking machines just started enslaving humans. 00:53:06.630 --> 00:53:11.910 The way it was phrased specifically was people using machines used those thinking 00:53:11.910 --> 00:53:14.550 machines to have power over other people. 00:53:14.730 --> 00:53:18.190 Yes, it was certain people using the technology in a certain way. 00:53:18.390 --> 00:53:21.670 And then the next order comes along and bans that technology altogether. 00:53:21.710 --> 00:53:26.410 And what you get is the institution of this feudal system that relies on this 00:53:26.410 --> 00:53:32.210 trading Cho-Am company that controls essentially the spice and thus the economy of the universe. 00:53:32.610 --> 00:53:35.710 And so when you actually start to examine it in detail, it's like, 00:53:35.810 --> 00:53:40.130 oh, no, even the Butlerian Jihad might have been, If not an organic part, 00:53:40.290 --> 00:53:44.750 at least after the fact, used as the part of the creation of this new order 00:53:44.750 --> 00:53:46.130 of enslavement of humanity. 00:53:46.390 --> 00:53:50.030 And it's just it's an organic enslavement of humanity. Yay. Question mark. 00:53:50.470 --> 00:53:57.110 So, yes, religious ideas and practices can absolutely shape people's identities 00:53:57.110 --> 00:53:59.510 and the way that they act in the world. 00:53:59.730 --> 00:54:04.310 And thus, of course, are going to be, well, catnip to people who are psychopaths 00:54:04.310 --> 00:54:06.330 and looking to find ways to manipulate other people. 00:54:06.330 --> 00:54:12.910 Yeah well James I know you have a hard stop at an hour do you have any final 00:54:12.910 --> 00:54:17.850 thoughts about what we discussed tonight and anything interesting upcoming that 00:54:17.850 --> 00:54:19.130 you'd like to share with the audience. 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:24.040 I don't have final thoughts, but I have ongoing thoughts. And clearly the existential 00:54:24.040 --> 00:54:27.380 revolution is something that we've touched on here, but haven't even defined, 00:54:27.640 --> 00:54:28.760 let alone really worked out. 00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:32.460 So I am going to be putting the thinking cap on and working towards that for, 00:54:32.680 --> 00:54:35.320 I assume, a future edition of Solutions Watch. 00:54:35.520 --> 00:54:39.780 Anyway, people can stay tuned at CorbettReport.com. As I continue working through 00:54:39.780 --> 00:54:44.340 these sorts of things in my own mind and for myself, and hopefully by putting 00:54:44.340 --> 00:54:46.780 it out in the world, other people can benefit from that. 00:54:46.780 --> 00:54:50.320 But as I say, I think the only revolution that matters is the one that happens 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:55.860 between your ears and then how that affects the real world around you, not the online space. 00:54:56.140 --> 00:54:59.480 So I think that's where people would more fruitfully be directing their idea, 00:54:59.720 --> 00:55:02.120 their energy, shall we say. 00:55:02.860 --> 00:55:07.960 Excellent. James, thank you so much. We will definitely have to do this again in the future. 00:55:08.140 --> 00:55:12.500 And until next time, everyone have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.