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Hello, friends. James Corbett here at CorbettReport.com with an interview in

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December of 2025, and I think this is a particularly interesting one,

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so grab a seat and lend me your ears.

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You're going to get quite a lot out of this if you are at all interested in

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or familiar with my recent Solutions Watch video introducing people,

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perhaps for the first time, maybe not the first time, to the philosophy of liberty.

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So first things first, if you didn't catch that recent edition of Solutions

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Watch, long story short, that was a video that was simply encouraging you to

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watch another video, specifically a video called The Philosophy of Liberty.

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That will, of course, be linked up in the show notes for this interview.

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In case you haven't seen it yet, it is eight minutes long or eight minutes short

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and is, I think, required viewing for every human being on the planet.

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Luckily, that video, although it is obviously primarily and first and foremost

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was in English, it has now been translated into dozens and dozens of languages.

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So there is no excuse for anyone on the planet not to have seen and imbibed

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that video, The Philosophy of Liberty.

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That is the number one message. But if you have seen that video,

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and if you are at all interested in the background of that video,

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where did this flash animation come from?

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How did it emerge on the internet a couple of decades ago? And how did it through,

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at the very least, influencing me to start the Corbett report, thereby influence...

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Perhaps you and other people out there who have benefited from my work over

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the years. If you're interested in that story, this is the interview for you.

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So to set the table every two weeks, as you know, I'm on the Declare Your Independence

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radio broadcast with Ernest Hancock.

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And this week, both of us were talking to Ken Schooland, who is a retired,

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now retired, professor of economics, upon whose book, Jonathan Gullible.

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The Philosophy of Liberty video was based or it sprung from that book.

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If you're interested in that story, it is an interesting story about how the

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Jonathan Gullible book came about in the first place,

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how its publication in the newly liberated post-Soviet Russia led to the development

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of an introduction that became the basis,

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at least for the script of the Philosophy of Liberty video.

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We talk about who was the actual person, the animator behind the person who

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made that into an animation, etc..

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I think it's an interesting story, and hopefully it gets to the fundamental

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point that the philosophy of liberty is, in fact, at base,

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pretty simple, and it can be demonstrated in just a few minutes of pretty simple

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and straightforward introductory text.

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And if you're interested, there's much more behind it.

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And people can go, for example, and read the Jonathan Gullible book,

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exceptionally easily readable and easy to digest.

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And it's another tool that people can use to unlock minds of statists and those

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who refuse to relinquish their belief in the most dangerous superstition.

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But if you're interested in any of that, I think you should watch this interview.

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And of course, if you are interested in this emerging campaign to try to get

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this video, the Philosophy of Liberty video, back in front of the public's attention

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at a time when I think they could highly benefit from it, well,

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we have some things to say about that too.

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So strap in, listen to this conversation.

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I hope you benefit from it, and I'll have more to say about this topic and hopefully

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more conversations with Ken Schoolland in the future. But here we go.

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This is what we're going to do. We're going to be talking to James Corbett,

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of course, and then we're bringing in Ken Skoolin.

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Now, Ken Skoolin, we've known for a long time, long time, long time.

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This is one of the OGs even before me, and I'm an old guy, before we started,

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you know, promoting Libertarianism.

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I even knew, you know, Ken was around doing it for a long time.

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This is what we're going to be talking about. Now, this is a mile marker event

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in freedom activism for around the world, okay?

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We'll own something and be happy. So what we're going to do is going to talk

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about the philosophy of liberty.

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Now the philosophy of liberty had a beginning.

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It was generated into a video, and we'll talk about that.

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I want to have Ken tell us the whole story. We'll do that first,

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so Ken can tell us where this came from.

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Many, millions, billions, gazillions have seen Philosophy of Liberty.

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It's eight minutes. It's been translated into 46-plus languages.

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Now, during Arab Spring, it wasn't translated into Arabic.

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So talk to Ken about it. We got together and found a guy in Moscow that,

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you know, for $1,000, and I think

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we each paid a third, there was a third person, I can't even remember.

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And we have for $1,000, we got it translated into Arabic.

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We sent thousands of the DVDs in the PAL format so they could play it in the

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Middle East, because it's different there, because, unfortunately, we knew that.

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So we sent thousands of them to Alexandria.

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Alexandria, activists took them to Tahrir Square when, you know,

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the Muslim Brotherhood jumped in front of their parade and said,

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vote for us kind of stuff.

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And we knew during every spring, this is all about, you'll need Pharaoh number

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283. You know, what you need is freedom.

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So we had it translated into Arabic, dumped it there, and it exploded.

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It went Morocco, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, you know, northern Africa everywhere. It was just a thing.

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Well, it caused some DDoS attack on Mossad through Germany.

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It came after him. We went. Fortunately, my IT guy at the time is also an attorney.

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And he tracked it back, sent a letter. They go, oh, oh, oh, we're ever so sorry.

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We were just showing you your vulnerabilities, signed Ivan.

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I mean, you know, this is how bad this is going to get. So we're going to be

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putting this in all the languages in IPFS, have the links and embeds and everything

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ready to go on sites all over.

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The Liberty community is wide and deep all around the world.

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Now, Students for Liberty is already committed to be involved.

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The Arizona Project, which used to be Language of Liberty, where they select

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a bunch of, you know, six to nine...

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Young adults that come here from around the world, Nepal, Ecuador,

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Ukraine, Russia, Japan, Africa, I mean, everywhere, comes to Arizona,

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and they all got to go shooting, man. They like that shooting thing.

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So they come in, and I interview them, and I do individually every year for

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the past, God, many years, six, seven, eight years, I don't know, a long time.

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And now one of the students started running it.

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Well, he is now president of Liberty International, which used to be International

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Society for Individual Liberty.

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And then, right after the Arab Spring stuff was going on, that ISIS,

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Obama started referring to it as ISIL.

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Well, that's their initial, their web page was ISIL. So they started getting hacked and everything.

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So they got to change it to Liberty International. Yeah, that's the ticket.

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And I'm going, this subtly and from perpendicular but relevant directions,

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it's attacked. And the reason is, is because it demonstrates the morality of liberty.

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You own yourself. Now, we're going to have you guys, you can go watch it on

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your own, and you'll be encouraged after this show.

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It's been a long time. In the 90s, we used it as activists here in Arizona,

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and we just put it everywhere.

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I knew that that was going now

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when I interview everybody I go why did you read this was

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who encouraged you why do you even care about freedom was your grandma your

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mom your dad your teacher a coach an employer an uncle I mean who is it and

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it always comes down I keep digging enough yeah but why'd you do that but what

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well there was this little animation philosophy of liberty thing aha and that happened to James too.

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So when I was talking to the young man from Uganda just a few weeks ago,

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and he did the same thing.

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Well, it came to this, to this, to this, to this, to that, philosophy of liberty.

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And I go, man, that thing needs to get resurrected.

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So I called Ken, and I said, will you come on, tell us the history of it, get involved with it.

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Liberty international and yasik that's now president

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can't step step can step down

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to be vp let the next generation next you

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know come and take it well i know yasik well well

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liberty international students for liberty james corbett freedoms phoenix we

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are going to make it happen and with derrick's help with the ipfs this is going

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to be a thing it's going to be decentralized Not any one person is going to

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get super credit for whatever, and that's not the point.

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How many minds can we free?

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Again. So that's what we're doing. Before we get to Ken, James,

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tell us your experience with that.

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Kind of surprised me. That kind of got you on the road. Tell Ken what happened.

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All right. So to the best of my memory, and this was something the better part

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of two decades ago, so I'll just have to go off of hazy memory.

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But I do remember that time that I wrote about in the opening essay to my reportage book.

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I was in 2006, basically, falling down the internet rabbit hole and discovering

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all sorts of information that had been deliberately occluded from my indoctrination

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back in my Canadian schooling days,

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including, of course, political philosophy, real political philosophy and economics

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and the foundations of human liberty had been almost completely kept from me during that time.

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Although I do remember taking, I think it was high school level social studies

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class, and we were just looking at some political philosophy.

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And I remember reading just a passage or even just a summary of John Locke and

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going, well, you know, that sounds

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about right. But I didn't put that much thought into it at the time.

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It just kind of corresponded. Yeah, OK, we have the liberty to do what we want

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as long as that liberty isn't infringing on other people's liberty.

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Yeah, OK, that seems about right. But it wasn't until...

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This time in 2006 or maybe early 2007, when I was casting about widely online

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and looking at all of this information from different perspectives,

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and I came across this very simple, very direct.

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Eight-minute-long flash animation, The Philosophy of Liberty.

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And I remember encountering that, and I remember being struck by its simplicity.

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It leads inexorably from one very simple and basic observation to another to

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another towards a totalizing philosophy of political philosophy, essentially.

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It all made sense to me almost intuitively.

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It wasn't really persuading me of anything. It was just showing me in a way

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what I think I already intuitively understood, but it was putting it in a way in such a simplistic.

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Not simplistic, but simple way, a straightforward way that really resonated with me.

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And I suppose there are two ways to think of it.

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Either one, I didn't exactly have a penny drop moment that suddenly freed my mind.

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But this might have been the beginning of the snowball rolling downhill.

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The other way to think about it, maybe this was the penny drop moment,

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but it took a long time for the penny to fall down and to finally reach its

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goal. But at any rate, something about this video resonated with me and did

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set me along the path to what I am today.

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So to what extent the corporate report has resonated with others and that to

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whatever extent my attempts to foster this message of liberty have reached others,

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it is at least in some part due to this video.

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Ken, tell us everything, man, from the beginning. You know, one thing that I did, I looked at it.

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I go to AI. I ask Rock. I ask, you know, Google. I go in.

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Oh, yeah, that's, you know, we got a record of like 2013.

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And I go, no, it was earlier. Okay, maybe 20, you know, 2007.

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You know, I go, no, we used that long. So, obviously, they scrubbed. They don't like it.

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It's not there or something. So I need to know how this came about,

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what started it, what was it gleaned from, and it always comes back to can school

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it. So tell us everything.

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Well, I got to tell you, James, you really warmed my heart to say that about

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it because it always feels good to know that what you've been doing has impact.

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And I can't tell you it really makes me feel good about that.

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But years ago, in about 1980, I was invited by the Libertarian Party of Hawaii

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to write commentaries on an all-news business radio station at 90 seconds,

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just direct commentaries about issues.

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And nobody was paying much attention to those commentaries. Nobody wants to

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hear an economist talking about the days of the issues just in a straight manner.

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So I wrote it into a dialogue, The Adventures of Jonathan Gulliver,

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which paralleled The Little Prince and Gulliver's Travels, some simple books

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that had very profound messages in a very entertaining way.

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And the humor and satire of it picked up a lot of interest.

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And then finally, Small Business Hawaii decided to put it together into all

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the episodes into a book, which first got published in 1989.

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Then because of my affiliation with Liberty International and meeting with all

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these people from other countries, I was there because I wanted to spread libertarian ideas to other,

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And the first edition was published in the Netherlands.

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But the very second edition I was excited about, I had been to St.

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Petersburg right after the fall of the Iron Curtain.

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I met up with Dmitry Kostigin.

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Okay, the publication of what? Is this Jonathan Gullible you're talking about?

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The publication of Jonathan Gullible. Okay, now wait, wait, wait.

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You've got to tell us what Jonathan Gullible is, man. Oh, okay.

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Well, it's sort of a fanciful story that's now in 58 languages.

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We've had it in Farsi in Iran, Asante in Ghana, the Arabic one that you mentioned

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in Jordan, a Chinese edition.

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Actually, a multitude of editions all over the world have been published from this.

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Well, tell us about Jonathan Gulliver. You know what it's about.

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That was the spark of everything, man. You're killing me. All right, go.

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Okay, the story is something like Gulliver's Travels in that,

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you know, a kid gets tossed about by a storm and winds up on a strange island.

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And then he has these adventures on these islands, basically running into foolish behavior of people.

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People who have to knock down trees with sticks because they got to save jobs.

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If they allow a hatchet, that's going to destroy jobs.

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So the tall tax that forces everybody to walk on their knees because it's unfair

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for some people to be taller than others.

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Lots of 40 episodes altogether in the book that point out the folly of stupid

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government policies and that the ethical issues behind this all the time.

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And so it's a fanciful story that popularizes ideas from Milton Friedman,

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Friedrich Hayek, Ayn Rand, Friedrich Bastiat, Murray Rothbard,

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the economic free market world of the day, and puts these into stories that

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are fun and entertaining.

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Well, the guy in Russia that It was actually first just a tour guide.

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Now he's a billionaire in the grocery business.

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He met me giving me a tour around St. Petersburg. And he liked the idea of Jonathan Gell-O.

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We had lots of discussions about it too. And he had just read Rand.

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And so he said he would publish the book. But he needed for me an introduction

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because people in Russia didn't know anything about what property and taxes were.

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I mean the government had owned everything. whatever you produced belonged to

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the government, they gave you something back. And so they didn't understand property and taxes.

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So that's when I decided to write The Philosophy of Liberty,

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which at first was the introduction to the Russian edition, but because it was

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so well received, it became the epilogue of every other edition after that, the other 58 languages.

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And so then the book was very popular, Behind the Iron Curtain.

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It got picked up in all the Eastern European countries.

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And then it was the first free market book in China, Vietnam,

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Iran, Russia, Kyrgyzstan.

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I mean, they even made plays about it in Kyrgyzstan for elementary school kids.

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They took selected chapters and portrayed the free market ideas.

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It's been produced as a play in Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Brazil,

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Slovakia, all the high schools in Slovakia.

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And now it's been featured on the Free to Choose Network in the first season

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of the animation cartoon that's been produced from the book.

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Okay, now what year was this? When did this all come about? The book was first

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published by Small Business Hawaii in 1989.

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And then it was published in the Soviet Union about 1992, 1993. Wow.

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Since then, I over... Okay, now let's get a little bit in before that.

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The ability for you to even write this was because...

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You're an economics professor. Yeah. You know, let's talk about that.

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I mean, you graduate. When did you start being a professor?

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I started teaching up in Alaska in 1975, 50 years ago.

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And I just now retired after 50 years of teaching.

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I had been working as an international economist in Washington,

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D.C., White House, Commerce Department, International Trade Commission.

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And got disgusted with bureaucracy and decided to go to Alaska and get away

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from it all and just teach instead.

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But I was frustrated. The fact that most people had horrible experiences with economics.

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It was something dry and boring and textbooks were awful.

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So I thought, well, there's no reason it should be that way.

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It should be fun and interesting.

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So I produced this book to make it popularize the ideas of all these free market thinkers, you know.

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And there are characters in the book now, too, by the way. The cat in the book

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is Mises, the cat, and the,

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Bard of Wrath is a famous character, and they go to the Mount Hayek,

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and they meet Milton and Rose.

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Talking with their son, Davy, about economics concepts.

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So they're woven in throughout the book to make it, well, I think I'm the only

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Austrian economist in the in the Pacific region here, I think.

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By Austrian economics, you know, I'm referring to certainly then,

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you know, this is, okay, now, now, there was a.

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We knew of you through the 90s, but what I made use of your stuff is when I

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started doing radio on Taren Radio here out of Scottsdale.

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And what happened was you had public service announcements that you had done

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for radio stations in Hawaii that I used.

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You know, we had every day or hour I'd play one of these.

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Where did that come from? Talk about that. How the hell did you get on,

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you know, FTC radio? You know, explain that.

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Well, it was KHVH, which is now it's a talk radio show.

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But at that time, it was sort of it was an all news business radio station.

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And they allowed as part of their public service, they allowed community organizations

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to come on and and give 90 second radio spots once a week.

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And so I was invited, or that was the Libertarian Party of Hawaii,

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wanted to have their spot in there.

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And I took over from another guy and started doing these weekly commentaries.

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But it allowed me to make a story form out of it, which was fun.

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I did a dialogue with a girlfriend that I had at the time.

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And so you have different voices. And I had to write into it humor and satire,

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which got a kick because people, they recognized how it related to the folly

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of the government policies.

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In fact, everywhere I go, like in Poland, they say, how long were you living

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in Poland that you understood all of the foolish policies of the day?

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And I said, oh, I never lived in Poland, but these follies are universal for

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governments. Government's government. Everywhere.

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So this is, you start to see it expand. And when did International Society for

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Individual Liberty, now Liberty International, when did that start and how did

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that get incorporated into their activities?

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They actually started up in Canada. I think it was in Montreal that Liberty

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International started off as Libertarian International with Vince Edwards and Bruce Evely.

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And then they moved to Richmond, Virginia, and they combined with Students for

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Individual Liberty, and they combined to make ISIL, the International Society

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for Individual Liberty.

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I joined them in the early 80s because I thought that libertarian ideas were.

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Doing well in the United States, but I thought the ideas should be spread abroad.

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And they were doing ideas of

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promoting the distribution of pamphlets and literature to other countries.

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So I wanted to get involved with them and go to their conferences.

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And then because I had this book out, then it was a natural to...

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And a lot of people liked the idea that it was a short book,

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a brief book that could readily be translated and used in student programs,

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student seminars, radio.

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I mean, it's been, you used, we did radio dialogues that you used on your program.

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And I think there are several countries that have done radio. Nepal has used radio.

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A lot of magazines. The first serialization of it was the Hong Kong Economic Journal.

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I mean, this is the intellectual Journal of the Business Community in Hong Kong

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in 1997 that serialized it because they said, well, soon China's going to be

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watching what we do and they're going to have to be a little more cautious.

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So they went to satire. And that's the great thing about satire and this youth type of story.

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It gets around the censors. That's why the mullahs approved it in Iran and that's

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why the Chinese authorities, you know, all the publishing houses in China are

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owned by the government.

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But they've published two editions of the book saying, oh, it's just a children's story.

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But they don't understand the message behind it.

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And that's why, I mean, in Kyrgyzstan, they made all these plays out of it that

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are totally contrary to the Marxist philosophy.

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And you get all these kids cheering on this condemnation.

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Just for example, the idea that, well, if everyone's from each according to

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ability and to each according to need.

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Suppose we hand out grades from each according to ability and to each according to need.

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Everybody, the worst grade if they're a good student and the best grade if they're

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the worst student, I mean, yeah, if they're the worst student.

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And the students say, that's not fair. That's terrible.

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Even the teachers are laughing about it because it would be folly to do that

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thing in the classroom, which is Marxist philosophy. So you get the Marxists

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all around the world embracing this idea that challenges their own ideas.

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Can I just chime in? That is so much in resonance with everything that I have

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discovered in two decades of doing my work is that satire tends to be the way

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to disarm people from their intellectual defenses against things they would

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otherwise not be willing to entertain.

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And I've found that time and time again. And it's no surprise to me because

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by far and away the most viral thing that I have ever done is a short little

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five-minute satirical video that's lampooning the official government story

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of what happened on 9-11.

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And for whatever reason, people laugh at it and they enjoy it,

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even though it might go directly against what they actually believe.

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But they are imbibing the information in a way that gets past those intellectual defenses.

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One of my favorite books is Hammer and Tickle, Jokes That Brought Down the Soviet Union.

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And what we really understand from that is that tyrants can punish and deal

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with people that are arguing against them, but they have no argument against mockery and laughter.

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When people laugh at them, they hate that the most because it undermines their

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authority and they lose face.

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That's why they used to send people off to the gulag for 15 years for telling

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a joke, 10 years for laughing at the joke, and five years for not reporting a joke.

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Because tyranny was – laughter was such an affront to tyrants.

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They didn't know how to deal with it. They're too serious.

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Yeah, I apologize. I'm trying to get the studio in one of the boxes, but whatever.

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As long as they can see both of you guys, it don't matter. The one thing that

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I wanted to make sure is that the professorship that you did in Hawaii,

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was your libertarian philosophy supported there? Were you under constant attack?

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I got tenure since I've been here longer than you.

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I mean, you know, what is your experience as a professor there with the administration?

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We don't have, I've never taught at a government school, and I never taught

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at a school that offered tenure.

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Wow. And I've never had any issue with the faculty.

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For one thing, the president of the university, Hawaii Pacific University,

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actually he met me in the hall and he says, you know, I support everything you

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say except maybe on foreign policy or something, you know.

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There was always something that kept him from identifying with the libertarian philosophy.

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But I'd say that they all knew who I was because I was very public about it,

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ran for office three times as a libertarian.

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And I was on the radio representing the party, even on public radio station,

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giving commentaries for them for a couple of years too, as the libertarian party representative.

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And they were always very respectful. I never had any issue where anyone gave

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me any trouble because of my libertarian philosophy.

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And I was, of course, I think the way I stated things was in a way that they

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have to say, oh, well, that makes sense. You know, whether they're left wing or right.

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They said, OK, well, that makes sense. I think that really resonates through

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all the way to the philosophy of liberty video.

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Because, again, I think it's just simple statements that most people would agree with.

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And that leads to another statement that they would agree with.

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It leads to and suddenly they find that, wait, actually, do I agree with this?

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And as long as you don't use that dreaded label, libertarian,

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oh my God, all the baggage associated with it, then I think most people would

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be willing to go along with at least much of that.

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But it does raise the question, so where did you come from, as it were?

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How did you discover, how did you get into this? Where did you go for yourself,

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for your undergrad, for your graduate degree?

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As you can see, I'm quite old. I was born in 1949 when the Chinese Communist country took over.

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And my earliest political memory was of the Kennedy-Nixon debates.

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And I remember asking my mom, what's the difference between Democrats and Republicans?

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She said, well, you know, one party wants to have the government run your life

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and the other party wants you to run your own life.

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And later I found out that both parties wanted that same thing.

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But it set out this contrast. And so throughout my college years, I was very fond.

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I was drawn to Milton Friedman and then Murray Rothbard, Ayn Rand,

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and ultimately Friedrich Bastiat and the other Austrian school stuff.

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I went to, I wasn't, there wasn't a libertarian party when I was in government.

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They had just been born in 1971 and their first election was 72 and I left and

00:29:22.942 --> 00:29:25.962
went to Alaska in 1975. But I,

00:29:26.932 --> 00:29:30.232
I discovered the Libertarian Party when I was traveling through Hawaii,

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met Roger McBride, and I became a real hardcore devotee of Libertarian philosophy.

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And I'd say that those were the origins.

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My school was Georgetown University, an American university, an Occidental college.

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I learned a little bit, studied a little bit in France.

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But mostly it was, I mean, I never had a teacher, my first economics teacher

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was sort of free market, but there wasn't an Austrian school that was known

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by almost anybody in those days.

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Well, what brought you down that path? I ask everybody that. Why?

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Why were you this way? What grandma, what mom, what dad, what coach,

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what something, what took you down?

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To even see liberty as a solution. I think the seed was during the Cold War.

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My mom was quite, she took me to hear one big speech when I was a kid,

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was at the state fairgrounds to hear Herbert Philbrick,

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who was the guy I led three lives about being a double agent between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

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And I guess I was quite concerned. You know, Stalin was such a murderous monster,

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and I feared that that sort of thing could spread to other places around the world.

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And my wife is from China.

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I was drawn to her because she survived the Cultural Revolution by rebelling.

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Her father, a surgeon, had been put in prison, and the whole family,

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her mother, an English professor, her whole family had been exiled to the southern provinces for 10 years.

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I mean, I identified, long before I even met with her, I identified with the

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tortures of tyranny, like Solzhenitsyn and, you know, his gulag archipelago.

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Those are things that just ate at me. And I thought, this is the path that any country can take.

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Because I always felt that freedom and liberty is a very, very fragile thing

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in society and civilization.

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You constantly have to be on guard and how terrible it would be if you say,

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oh, I let it all happen and I didn't do anything.

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I would – I'd feel horrific if I hadn't been a part of trying to resist that.

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And I guess that's been my path all throughout my life, resisting,

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I guess, this communist notion. But it's all around us. It's not just from communist nations.

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I got a bunch of other questions and so on, but I want James to interview you a little bit.

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And a lot of this stuff, you know, you know, we've talked many times.

00:32:09.899 --> 00:32:13.599
We've had shows together and stuff. A lot of this stuff I didn't know.

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You know, James, what is it you want to know, man?

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Well, I'd like to hear some of the experiences of some of the people that you've met along the way.

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And I guess you were operating and around at the time where,

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for example, Murray Rothbard was still operating and around.

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Did you get a chance to meet him or any of the other big names? I did meet him once.

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I mean, I went to a seminar in Eugene, Oregon, where the Cato Institute was

00:32:35.450 --> 00:32:39.090
holding a whole bunch of seminars with Ronald Hammerwee and Leonard Ligio,

00:32:39.710 --> 00:32:44.310
some of the big names of that era and so on.

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And I remember very vividly this interview, this journalist wanted to interview

00:32:51.770 --> 00:32:59.530
Murray Rothbard about the CIA's help of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

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This was back in 1980.

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And the journalist was saying, aren't you excited that the United States is

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helping the Afghanis to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan?

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And he said, no, the United States shouldn't be in there.

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You know, that's his voice.

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And the journalist was shocked. Why not? How do you know that the guys taking

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over aren't going to be worse than the guys that they're getting rid of?

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And that's exactly what happened. I just spoke with some of my Afghani friends

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up in Toronto at a conference that they got up there, the World Anti-Extremism

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Network, which is a great organization.

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And they said, you know, the Mujahideen were worse than the communists because

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they gave way to the Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, which were terrible for human rights.

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I mean, as bad as the Soviets were, I mean, the Taliban turned out to be worse.

00:33:59.952 --> 00:34:03.572
So, I mean, I'd say Barry Rothbard was proven right long after his passing.

00:34:04.252 --> 00:34:11.032
So he was one character. I met also with, I had dinner once with Harry Brown

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at one of the Freedom Fest events.

00:34:15.172 --> 00:34:18.912
Harry Brown, when I was sitting at the table, this one guy came up to me and

00:34:18.912 --> 00:34:21.472
he says, you wrote this book, How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World.

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And in your book, you say, stay out of politics. And he said,

00:34:25.832 --> 00:34:29.632
that was the first part, but you didn't read the rest of the sentence.

00:34:29.872 --> 00:34:31.832
It says, unless you're having fun.

00:34:34.952 --> 00:34:40.212
Yeah, I'm fortunate to have encountered some of these icons of the liberty movement.

00:34:40.832 --> 00:34:45.512
Well, tell me the longevity of the philosophy of liberty.

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Has that surprised you, the impact? Like when we did the Arab Spring thing in

00:34:49.952 --> 00:34:52.812
Egypt, you know, like, damn, Ernie, what the hell did you do?

00:34:52.912 --> 00:34:56.072
I mean, you know, this is—but there's been lots of times that that kind of thing

00:34:56.072 --> 00:34:58.172
has sparked something from that video.

00:34:58.492 --> 00:35:00.492
Talk about some of the other times and that time.

00:35:01.645 --> 00:35:08.705
Well, James Corbett really did it beautifully by saying that it made an impact on him.

00:35:08.905 --> 00:35:13.445
I've had people over the years say that it really made an impact,

00:35:13.465 --> 00:35:19.465
and a lot of websites have wanted to feature it on their website too. And so it's gotten a lot.

00:35:19.765 --> 00:35:24.425
Early on, I used to follow the metrics, you know, and I noticed that I was excited

00:35:24.425 --> 00:35:27.685
to see where the downloads were coming because they were coming from countries

00:35:27.685 --> 00:35:32.565
all around the world, and it was most in the United States, but all around.

00:35:32.685 --> 00:35:36.105
I mean, during Arab Spring and Saudi Arabia and Jordan and those places.

00:35:36.385 --> 00:35:40.645
And I was delighted to see that because it made me feel like if they're downloading

00:35:40.645 --> 00:35:45.005
it and watching it, then that means that they're excited by the message.

00:35:45.925 --> 00:35:50.605
And so, yeah, I am astounded because when I wrote it out, actually,

00:35:50.845 --> 00:35:57.685
I was taking ideas that I had gleaned from Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman and

00:35:57.685 --> 00:36:00.765
Murray Rothbard, actually, in putting them together.

00:36:01.545 --> 00:36:07.345
Actually, I think I contributed one new element that's about life,

00:36:07.465 --> 00:36:10.225
liberty, and property being elements of future, present, and past.

00:36:10.665 --> 00:36:16.425
I like it. But the rest of it was, you know, derived from the shoulders that we stand on.

00:36:17.417 --> 00:36:25.257
And I but I have to really give tribute to Kerry Pearson, the guy who who asked

00:36:25.257 --> 00:36:27.897
me, hey, this is really good. I want to put it on animation.

00:36:28.057 --> 00:36:31.557
Now, this is in 1994 or so.

00:36:31.817 --> 00:36:35.717
Now, is he known by Lux Luker? Is that the same guy? He's Lux Luker.

00:36:36.017 --> 00:36:40.457
OK, now why? Tell us about him. You know, I didn't have the pleasure to meet

00:36:40.457 --> 00:36:44.617
him. I just remember after he was helping with the radio show at one time,

00:36:44.837 --> 00:36:48.697
he passed away from complications of diabetes or something.

00:36:48.917 --> 00:36:52.737
And I don't know how old he was. I don't know what his history was.

00:36:52.857 --> 00:36:54.257
I don't know what his skills were.

00:36:54.637 --> 00:37:00.857
Let's give him some props here, a little bit about Lux. He was a young guy, younger than me.

00:37:01.777 --> 00:37:07.897
And I met him through Liberty International because we had conferences.

00:37:07.897 --> 00:37:12.917
The idea was to have an international – at first it was between the U.S. and Europe.

00:37:13.097 --> 00:37:17.197
And then we got more international, and then it was in a different country all around the world.

00:37:17.317 --> 00:37:23.397
So now we've had something like 48 conferences – well, no, 40 conferences all around the planet.

00:37:23.497 --> 00:37:26.977
The last one was with Javier Millet down in Argentina, Buenos Aires.

00:37:29.297 --> 00:37:32.637
And I met him at one of those conferences. He's kind of a quiet,

00:37:32.797 --> 00:37:34.217
shy guy, a computer geek,

00:37:34.417 --> 00:37:40.737
which, you know, in the early 90s, they were all libertarians because the logic

00:37:40.737 --> 00:37:45.117
of the libertarian philosophy just fit naturally with computer geeks.

00:37:45.477 --> 00:37:49.137
But as a geek, he wasn't real sociable and all, but he liked this.

00:37:49.217 --> 00:37:50.577
He wanted to put it in animation.

00:37:50.997 --> 00:37:55.017
I actually, he said, but I don't have the money for the software for that.

00:37:55.017 --> 00:38:02.537
So I gave him $150, which was big money in those days for some software to make this animation.

00:38:02.877 --> 00:38:10.637
And then he produced it in English, Spanish, French, and Portuguese, I think.

00:38:12.016 --> 00:38:20.016
And so then he came to our conference in Puerto Vallarta and featured it for

00:38:20.016 --> 00:38:25.096
the first time, or maybe it was in Merida, Mexico, and featured it for the first

00:38:25.096 --> 00:38:26.756
time, and we gave him a big tribute.

00:38:27.056 --> 00:38:31.976
But then soon after, his diabetes, I guess, was not controlled,

00:38:32.016 --> 00:38:34.756
and he passed away just suddenly one weekend.

00:38:35.916 --> 00:38:40.456
He lived in Port Townsend, Washington State. And that was sad.

00:38:41.016 --> 00:38:46.156
But since then, we've had a number of people like Steve Cobb and others that

00:38:46.156 --> 00:38:50.996
said, well, let's we'll take this same thing and we'll just start adding more and more languages.

00:38:51.416 --> 00:38:55.336
And so now, as you mentioned at the beginning of this show, it's 46 languages

00:38:55.336 --> 00:38:57.636
now and and we can still do it.

00:38:58.096 --> 00:39:03.716
AI makes it really easy to do this sort of thing, but not necessarily for backward languages.

00:39:03.716 --> 00:39:07.196
You know, most of these languages, the Arabic language, you have to read it

00:39:07.196 --> 00:39:13.896
backwards and it's a different technique for a lot of these languages.

00:39:14.556 --> 00:39:18.836
Well, Ken, you point out that you weren't exactly reinventing the wheel here.

00:39:18.916 --> 00:39:22.636
A lot of this comes from people who have talked about this for many years.

00:39:22.876 --> 00:39:26.636
But don't sell yourself short. The past, present, future being tied to life

00:39:26.636 --> 00:39:29.296
and liberty and property is actually a brilliant way of framing that.

00:39:29.416 --> 00:39:32.076
And that was one of the first things that struck me when I first watched that.

00:39:32.176 --> 00:39:33.316
I'd never thought of it that way.

00:39:33.716 --> 00:39:38.036
Lay that out for the audience who hasn't yet watched the video and where that idea came from.

00:39:38.656 --> 00:39:45.716
Thanks so much, James. Yeah, I remember just I was on walks and I kept thinking

00:39:45.716 --> 00:39:47.536
about it and thinking about it and thinking about it.

00:39:48.136 --> 00:39:52.816
And I don't know what sort of clicked with me when I realized that, well.

00:39:53.535 --> 00:39:57.135
You know, we always talk about life, liberty, and property. That's from John

00:39:57.135 --> 00:40:05.255
Locke, and I thought, well, how can I relate this to our existence?

00:40:05.255 --> 00:40:08.735
Well, in time, you know, our life is our future.

00:40:08.975 --> 00:40:12.055
We have a whole future ahead of us. If they take our life, well,

00:40:12.575 --> 00:40:15.875
then it's gone. We have no future. So to take that is murder, okay?

00:40:16.275 --> 00:40:20.415
Well, what about our present? Well, that's our actions today.

00:40:20.595 --> 00:40:25.475
That's our liberty, okay? Life and liberty. And how does the past fit in?

00:40:25.555 --> 00:40:29.415
Well, we spend a lot of time in the past producing our product.

00:40:29.515 --> 00:40:33.435
It's not the whole of our past, but it is a product of our past.

00:40:33.535 --> 00:40:36.135
When we produce wealth, we earn savings.

00:40:36.375 --> 00:40:38.955
And if the government takes our savings or takes our property,

00:40:39.095 --> 00:40:41.295
they're taking that time that...

00:40:41.295 --> 00:40:44.015
And when the thief comes up and puts his gun to our head and says,

00:40:44.015 --> 00:40:47.115
your money or your life, we're just calculating, well,

00:40:47.795 --> 00:40:52.755
I'll give him my money which is a product of my past because I keep my present

00:40:52.755 --> 00:40:57.655
and future so I can replace it and that's why we give over our money instead

00:40:57.655 --> 00:41:01.475
of our life when faced with that dilemma.

00:41:02.975 --> 00:41:08.935
And so and I had to write it carefully not to say that it was the whole of our past,

00:41:09.935 --> 00:41:12.875
but taking our life is the whole of our future,

00:41:13.595 --> 00:41:22.235
there's nothing more if you take that So yeah, I had fun putting that into a

00:41:22.235 --> 00:41:25.675
concept, which I wrote out in some kind of paper or something like that.

00:41:26.435 --> 00:41:33.255
But this was the way to express it in the simplest way. Because the Russians, they had no...

00:41:33.874 --> 00:41:38.974
No concept of property in taxes and they needed an explanation.

00:41:39.194 --> 00:41:45.514
And how often do you get an opportunity like that to explain now here in America

00:41:45.514 --> 00:41:48.214
to anybody under 40? This is the point.

00:41:48.874 --> 00:41:53.014
Maybe this is a way for people can apply this to whatever they're working on.

00:41:53.214 --> 00:41:56.394
Try to explain this to someone who has never even heard of the concepts,

00:41:56.534 --> 00:41:58.914
the basic grounding of the concepts that you're talking about.

00:41:59.074 --> 00:42:03.754
Try to explain it at the simplest level possible. And something like this might result.

00:42:03.874 --> 00:42:08.694
I'm just now reading a book called The Courage to Die by Eunhee Park,

00:42:08.874 --> 00:42:11.794
a girl who escaped from North Korea.

00:42:12.074 --> 00:42:16.574
And she's writing out this book about what it was like to be in South Korea

00:42:16.574 --> 00:42:17.694
then when she did escape.

00:42:17.914 --> 00:42:23.874
And everything was so new. Things that we take for granted are just such basic

00:42:23.874 --> 00:42:26.834
concepts of life and expression.

00:42:27.234 --> 00:42:34.334
And I'm living that. It actually brings me to tears to see what the revelations

00:42:34.334 --> 00:42:37.494
are for someone who has never had freedom to suddenly have it.

00:42:37.674 --> 00:42:41.134
And, of course, it makes us appreciate all the more having freedom,

00:42:41.134 --> 00:42:43.954
the things we take for granted, because it's all around us all the time.

00:42:44.094 --> 00:42:47.014
We don't really appreciate it so much.

00:42:47.434 --> 00:42:49.814
I want to ask you this.

00:42:50.254 --> 00:42:56.594
There's a timing thing. Like now, it's really needed for this fundamental basic

00:42:56.594 --> 00:43:01.894
moral understanding and the benefits of self-ownership and freedom and not being

00:43:01.894 --> 00:43:03.094
told what to do all the time.

00:43:03.494 --> 00:43:05.734
You know, getting a permission slip from the crown kind of crap.

00:43:05.994 --> 00:43:10.574
So was that kind of the feeling that all this was born in?

00:43:10.754 --> 00:43:16.074
Then we started getting a little better and then you see a need for its resurrection?

00:43:18.156 --> 00:43:21.396
Well, yes, I think that it's often for God.

00:43:21.636 --> 00:43:24.956
I'm not one of these people who say that these are the worst of times,

00:43:24.956 --> 00:43:29.956
we never had this so bad, because every generation thinks that they're having

00:43:29.956 --> 00:43:33.196
the worst of times, and the things are so complicated compared to what they

00:43:33.196 --> 00:43:34.676
were comfortable with before.

00:43:34.676 --> 00:43:40.936
But yes, I mean, I just finished teaching 50 years and I'd have to say the classes

00:43:40.936 --> 00:43:47.976
of students that I were having are extremely naive about the world and their

00:43:47.976 --> 00:43:50.216
education seems to be poorer and poorer,

00:43:50.576 --> 00:43:54.836
which I attribute a lot to government schools that have,

00:43:56.146 --> 00:44:01.806
no interest in this kind of history. I mean, like when I showed people the Soviet

00:44:01.806 --> 00:44:06.086
story, how the millions of people died in the Soviet Union or something like

00:44:06.086 --> 00:44:08.366
that, this is all completely new to them.

00:44:08.486 --> 00:44:13.426
The whole Cold War that we lived through, oh, the Cold War, that was something past.

00:44:13.726 --> 00:44:16.226
It doesn't have any relevance to us.

00:44:16.766 --> 00:44:22.146
But I mean, the whole of the 20th century was a struggle for a battle of millions

00:44:22.146 --> 00:44:26.646
of dying in so many stupid ways too.

00:44:28.266 --> 00:44:34.426
And yeah I'd say that it's important for young people to be shown what it was

00:44:34.426 --> 00:44:39.246
like not to have freedom or to be in the constant war or depression or whatever

00:44:39.246 --> 00:44:41.386
you know Were you popular as a professor?

00:44:41.606 --> 00:44:43.646
The students like you? Or were they protesting you?

00:44:43.906 --> 00:44:51.846
No I'd have to say I was well received yeah I had And I had two clubs on campus.

00:44:52.026 --> 00:44:56.266
One was an entrepreneurship club, how to start businesses, and another one called the Reason Club.

00:44:56.726 --> 00:44:59.546
Sometimes they changed the name to the Laissez-Faire Society.

00:45:00.046 --> 00:45:03.946
But it was always packed with students who got to talk about,

00:45:04.146 --> 00:45:05.946
well, basically free market ideas.

00:45:06.186 --> 00:45:11.246
I didn't use the word libertarian on campus because I didn't want it to be just a partisan thing.

00:45:11.526 --> 00:45:15.346
But they knew they were there because they were learning about free markets

00:45:15.346 --> 00:45:19.906
and always had speakers in or films, or they got to give presentations about

00:45:19.906 --> 00:45:22.486
things that struck them the most.

00:45:23.286 --> 00:45:27.546
And, yeah, I'd say that – and I got Teacher of the Year Award three times.

00:45:27.726 --> 00:45:32.206
So, yeah, I'd say that I was well-received by the students.

00:45:32.346 --> 00:45:37.586
I mean, to boast about my own self and be immodest, yeah, sure, I'd like that.

00:45:37.826 --> 00:45:39.946
Yeah, man, I don't care.

00:45:40.366 --> 00:45:46.086
You're going to have to do it. How impressed are you with his lineage and history there, James?

00:45:47.675 --> 00:45:53.455
Very impressed. Obviously, again, just the just that concept of tying life,

00:45:53.555 --> 00:45:55.715
liberty and property to future present passes.

00:45:55.995 --> 00:46:00.075
I use that all the time. Yeah, it's brilliant. And it's such a great way of framing that.

00:46:00.475 --> 00:46:03.235
And then again, I think most people will be able to intuitively understand even

00:46:03.235 --> 00:46:05.255
if they hadn't thought of it in that way before.

00:46:05.795 --> 00:46:10.335
It does, of course, raise the question of what are the issues today and how do they apply?

00:46:10.495 --> 00:46:13.615
How would Jonathan Gullible, for example, talk about, I don't know,

00:46:13.775 --> 00:46:15.555
Trump's tariffs or something along those lines?

00:46:16.410 --> 00:46:22.930
I've got a couple chapters in there about tariffs and the broken window fallacy.

00:46:23.110 --> 00:46:26.510
I mean, the broken window and – I mean, not the broken window,

00:46:26.530 --> 00:46:33.570
but also the window tax because the candle makers petition that Friedrich Bastiat

00:46:33.570 --> 00:46:34.910
talked about, you guys know that.

00:46:35.530 --> 00:46:39.710
The candle makers and coat makers don't want all this free light and heat from the sun.

00:46:39.850 --> 00:46:44.170
We've got to have jobs, create jobs. So we had people board up their windows

00:46:44.170 --> 00:46:48.970
with a window tax so that they – that's one of the chapters in there.

00:46:49.150 --> 00:46:52.090
They can't do that now, so they tax the sun.

00:46:52.830 --> 00:46:56.950
And then another one with the bridge coming into the town. Fridio Bastiat also

00:46:56.950 --> 00:47:02.790
made fun about how the prosperous cities aren't the ones way up on the mountaintop that it's hard to get to.

00:47:02.910 --> 00:47:05.770
They were the ones down at the mouth of the river that was easy to get to.

00:47:06.890 --> 00:47:12.810
And so what if a city, Stolta and Puera, I found out the two cities that he

00:47:12.810 --> 00:47:16.850
wrote about, Frigid Bastiat, is the Latin for silly girl, Stolta and Puera.

00:47:18.350 --> 00:47:24.070
And that Puera put all these boulders on the inside, on the side of the bridge

00:47:24.070 --> 00:47:26.930
where people were coming in and they could leave freely.

00:47:27.090 --> 00:47:30.230
But then Puera was wondering, well, should we put boulders on the other side

00:47:30.230 --> 00:47:35.810
of the bridge to retaliate against them for doing this? And he pointed out the

00:47:35.810 --> 00:47:37.770
folly, the stupid thing.

00:47:37.970 --> 00:47:41.230
It hurts innocent people and creates a great burden.

00:47:41.610 --> 00:47:44.850
Yes, there are always special interests that benefit, but a great expense to

00:47:44.850 --> 00:47:49.070
the general public. So yeah, I mean, I don't say Trump's tariffs. I never mentioned.

00:47:49.690 --> 00:47:54.550
In fact, that's why I set the book back in old times, because I want people

00:47:54.550 --> 00:47:59.310
to think of the concept and not relate it to a particular person or event today,

00:47:59.310 --> 00:48:01.150
because that will become dated.

00:48:02.110 --> 00:48:09.110
You know, if you start talking about Nixon, you know, then people will think,

00:48:09.150 --> 00:48:10.290
oh, it's no longer relevant.

00:48:11.450 --> 00:48:15.590
You know, what I want to do is I'm going to go ahead and go through the concept

00:48:15.590 --> 00:48:19.630
of what we think we are going to do, because this is –,

00:48:20.605 --> 00:48:25.445
And from listening to Ken, you can see how powerful it is that it had an influence

00:48:25.445 --> 00:48:27.565
on. Now we got the Corbett report.

00:48:27.745 --> 00:48:32.285
So there's that. So this is something that I want to make sure that we all understand.

00:48:34.665 --> 00:48:38.425
I have been I've done thousands and thousands of hours a show.

00:48:39.965 --> 00:48:44.505
Since 2003, I did five days a week, three hours a day for God,

00:48:44.665 --> 00:48:45.725
decade and a half or something.

00:48:45.885 --> 00:48:53.525
Now we do probably, you know, that many a week. But I always asked why they cared.

00:48:53.725 --> 00:48:58.985
Why did they go? What sparked it? And the philosophy of liberty came up a lot.

00:48:59.685 --> 00:49:06.465
Less of late, but enough, and certainly people around the world that bring this up.

00:49:06.545 --> 00:49:10.725
And when James said, yeah, that kind of solidified it for me.

00:49:10.745 --> 00:49:17.365
I knew I was something. and you have a 32-year-old from Uganda and,

00:49:17.365 --> 00:49:20.525
you know, the people, you know, young girl in Nepal, and I'm going,

00:49:21.225 --> 00:49:25.305
whoa, this needs to be resurrected. So this is what we're doing.

00:49:27.085 --> 00:49:30.705
Now, I'm free. Can I just mention that guy in Uganda that you interviewed,

00:49:30.825 --> 00:49:36.325
John Mugabe Socrates, he named his, I'm proud to say, he named his son after

00:49:36.325 --> 00:49:39.965
me, Miguel Mugabe Skuland.

00:49:42.645 --> 00:49:47.945
Score score man this is what i'm talking about all right so this is what i want to show you,

00:49:48.530 --> 00:49:53.670
Here we have, James and I came up with the idea, and we promoted it about a

00:49:53.670 --> 00:49:56.090
year and a half ago, open source education.

00:49:56.490 --> 00:50:01.790
Now, when you go to open source education, you can see that it's James,

00:50:02.190 --> 00:50:04.970
you know, I call him Professor Corbett.

00:50:05.030 --> 00:50:08.010
I mean, because damn, I don't care. He's a professor at Liberty.

00:50:08.270 --> 00:50:15.550
He's a professor. Yes. Now, he started open source education dot online as a

00:50:15.550 --> 00:50:17.370
way to combat the censorship.

00:50:17.530 --> 00:50:22.070
When you talk, you go Federal Reserve, your junior high kid or something. Boom.

00:50:22.330 --> 00:50:26.130
Century of enslavement would come up. Enslavement, same thing.

00:50:26.290 --> 00:50:32.070
So you have Century of Enslavement, and it's an awesome video explaining the Federal Reserve.

00:50:32.850 --> 00:50:37.090
These are yours, James? That's right, yeah. That was a documentary I did in 2014.

00:50:37.650 --> 00:50:41.830
My gosh, I have been following you. I just didn't. There you go.

00:50:43.090 --> 00:50:48.010
And then all of his stuff on, you know, one of the things I wanted to make sure

00:50:48.010 --> 00:50:51.250
that we got on, he started psychology now.

00:50:51.430 --> 00:50:55.390
And that is kind of along the lines of what we're talking about now.

00:50:55.610 --> 00:50:58.510
It's, you know, it's a philosophical, it's a moral argument.

00:50:58.870 --> 00:51:02.050
And he's done shows on that. So he, you know, curates them here.

00:51:02.150 --> 00:51:06.710
You can go find out what's up there. Then we wanted to make sure you get on history.

00:51:07.130 --> 00:51:12.030
Well, history, you have World War I conspiracy, you know, how and why big oil

00:51:12.030 --> 00:51:15.430
conquered the world, you know, so many things.

00:51:15.630 --> 00:51:21.610
You go to CorbettReport.com and you find you get an edumacation,

00:51:21.910 --> 00:51:25.230
a real education from Professor Corbett. Now.

00:51:26.520 --> 00:51:31.760
We were encouraging this and heavily promoted this because I knew that these

00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:37.920
videos had the same impact as your eight minutes, you know, and sometimes they need a longer form.

00:51:38.120 --> 00:51:41.100
But we want to resurrect this.

00:51:41.700 --> 00:51:47.140
So Century of Enslavement is just a great example of how this works.

00:51:47.420 --> 00:51:52.900
Now, the philosophy of liberty, we have it all over Freedom's Phoenix.

00:51:53.100 --> 00:51:56.520
We even got its own category. And then when we put up, you know,

00:51:56.840 --> 00:52:02.300
it'll go here and it'll have his video and then the translations and all the 50 gazillion ones here.

00:52:02.460 --> 00:52:05.580
So we already have the sources for us to do this.

00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:10.940
Then we go into, you got Liberty International.

00:52:11.680 --> 00:52:15.940
They got people all over the country. And that's one other thing I wanted to ask you.

00:52:16.600 --> 00:52:22.160
Jacek, one of the young men, you know, he married one of the other students from Poland.

00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:27.300
He's from Poland. And Marta, they got married. We've been really good friends.

00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:29.920
We've supported, you know, a lot of the stuff that they're doing.

00:52:30.680 --> 00:52:36.220
And now he's president of Liberty International. And you stepped down to VP,

00:52:36.220 --> 00:52:38.480
so you're retired and kind of on vacation.

00:52:39.020 --> 00:52:45.220
So I want to know, Yasek, coming from this, now Liberty International,

00:52:45.540 --> 00:52:49.140
I just call Yasek and say, Hey, man, you going to support Philosophy of Liberty?

00:52:49.160 --> 00:52:50.700
I just wondered, you know, what do you think?

00:52:52.573 --> 00:52:57.313
Oh, yeah. Sure, sure. I'm sure that they would. They're developing a whole animation

00:52:57.313 --> 00:52:59.393
team to take up projects.

00:52:59.513 --> 00:53:06.593
Not only are they doing the Jonathan Gullible book, but they're doing a film

00:53:06.593 --> 00:53:11.153
of Anthem with Leonard Reed.

00:53:11.393 --> 00:53:13.573
They're working with him to do iSmartphone.

00:53:14.513 --> 00:53:17.913
IPencil? Well, iSmartphone. Oh, great.

00:53:18.713 --> 00:53:22.373
My audience is sick to death of me talking about iPencil because I think it

00:53:22.373 --> 00:53:24.213
really is one of the greatest essays ever written.

00:53:24.433 --> 00:53:28.553
Well, there's Leonard Greed and there's Lawrence Reed. Lawrence is who you're

00:53:28.553 --> 00:53:30.733
talking about, right? Lawrence Reed, yeah. Yeah.

00:53:31.193 --> 00:53:34.953
Lawrence is head of – oh, help me out.

00:53:36.813 --> 00:53:40.993
FBE, Foundation for Economic Education. He was.

00:53:41.153 --> 00:53:45.073
He's no longer – he retired from it, but he's still active with things.

00:53:45.353 --> 00:53:49.533
He spoke with them. He's definitely on my speed dial on this thing too, okay?

00:53:49.953 --> 00:53:54.133
So what we're anticipating is that we're going to, you know,

00:53:54.213 --> 00:53:59.873
and we have other people also like, you know, here, let me show you.

00:54:01.353 --> 00:54:06.533
It's Momento Libertario, it's a Momento Libertario, libertarian movement,

00:54:06.993 --> 00:54:09.313
Alessandro Fasilo, do you know Alessandro?

00:54:10.424 --> 00:54:15.704
You know, he's an attorney that has offices in Berlin, Madrid,

00:54:15.704 --> 00:54:18.184
and Rome. I mean, he's a big guy.

00:54:18.624 --> 00:54:22.764
And he's spoken at, he's visited here, Arizona. We got to hang.

00:54:23.724 --> 00:54:29.764
He's a speaker at Narcopoco. And he just, I really pushed a lot of the stuff

00:54:29.764 --> 00:54:34.164
that he was doing during COVID. He was the only attorney that was defending

00:54:34.164 --> 00:54:36.144
restaurants that wouldn't close and so on.

00:54:36.224 --> 00:54:40.684
He's like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. So he has a big movement,

00:54:40.684 --> 00:54:44.364
and he is just, you know, kicking butt. There's Alessandro there.

00:54:44.564 --> 00:54:49.624
And he is just kicking butt and definitely want to get him on.

00:54:49.764 --> 00:54:54.884
He speaks a gazillion languages as well, and he's always in part with this.

00:54:54.964 --> 00:55:01.084
Now, we have the editorial director of Students for Liberty that came and was

00:55:01.084 --> 00:55:04.804
at Arizona with the Arizona Project kids.

00:55:04.804 --> 00:55:07.884
There at a supper club that

00:55:07.884 --> 00:55:10.584
I belong to and he was one of the speakers I talked to him

00:55:10.584 --> 00:55:14.304
about this what shocked me is that he hasn't seen philosophy

00:55:14.304 --> 00:55:17.844
of liberty he didn't know anything about it well you will and here we go we're

00:55:17.844 --> 00:55:21.664
gonna expect you put on front page and you tell you ask the number one video

00:55:21.664 --> 00:55:25.784
whatever they're doing intro is lost a liberty you can just tell that you already

00:55:25.784 --> 00:55:30.784
said I'll be talking to him so this is what we're going to do is to make it

00:55:30.784 --> 00:55:33.564
to where it can't be censored anymore.

00:55:34.144 --> 00:55:38.324
That we have James Corbett is worth a gazillion hits right there,

00:55:38.684 --> 00:55:42.744
whatever we can do, what Liberty International does, Students for Liberty,

00:55:43.144 --> 00:55:51.784
Young Americans for Liberty, all of these organizations, we need to do what we did with Arab Spring.

00:55:52.244 --> 00:55:55.904
Arab Spring happened, let me just tell that story real quick.

00:55:56.930 --> 00:56:00.670
Arab Spring was going on in, I think it was Tunisia or something.

00:56:00.930 --> 00:56:04.210
A guy just couldn't get a permit to sell fruit and support his family.

00:56:04.390 --> 00:56:06.250
He goes to get the permit and keep going.

00:56:06.710 --> 00:56:09.830
Finally, he gets in, they kick him out, close the door. He goes,

00:56:09.970 --> 00:56:14.350
sits down, lights himself on fire. That was the beginning of Arab Spring.

00:56:14.570 --> 00:56:19.250
And it went all over. So what happens? Iran shuts down Twitter and Facebook.

00:56:19.370 --> 00:56:22.010
You get all kinds of censorship. You're not allowed.

00:56:22.770 --> 00:56:26.330
So when Tahrir Square was in uproar, and here came, you know,

00:56:26.410 --> 00:56:28.570
the Muslim Brotherhood, and they jumped in front of their parade,

00:56:28.730 --> 00:56:30.310
but it was an organic thing.

00:56:30.570 --> 00:56:34.730
And I'm going, I know what they need. They need Philosophy of Liberty. So I contacted Ken.

00:56:35.030 --> 00:56:38.550
And that's one question that James and I had.

00:56:38.770 --> 00:56:43.930
Who has the original animation that you can change the text on it?

00:56:44.190 --> 00:56:46.730
You know, we want to make sure that's included so people can,

00:56:46.850 --> 00:56:50.350
you know, do their own translation in case Navajo hasn't been done.

00:56:50.350 --> 00:56:51.950
I mean, damn, you got everything.

00:56:52.170 --> 00:56:58.830
But you know, what happens is we wanted to make sure that they just had knowledge

00:56:58.830 --> 00:57:01.090
of the philosophy of liberty. It's about self-ownership.

00:57:01.310 --> 00:57:04.270
When that happened, I remember talking to you, you go, damn, Ernie, what happened?

00:57:04.430 --> 00:57:09.370
What was the impact of the Arabic version of that? Do you remember?

00:57:11.028 --> 00:57:17.568
Well, it did spread quite a lot, especially in Egypt, like you mentioned, in Tereir Square,

00:57:18.248 --> 00:57:25.768
because Nua El-Harmouzi from Morocco and his Lamp of Liberty affiliate to Cato

00:57:25.768 --> 00:57:28.848
Institute in Morocco was the one that was promoting it.

00:57:28.948 --> 00:57:33.788
He had classes, he was a professor, and he had seminars where he was promoting

00:57:33.788 --> 00:57:38.948
it, but also he took it to Egypt and to a number of other places in the Middle East.

00:57:39.888 --> 00:57:42.928
This has been we take credit for the entire

00:57:42.928 --> 00:57:47.628
arab spring of course you know yeah of course but you know well the point that

00:57:47.628 --> 00:57:53.648
i'm making is is that just like you being there advocating for this doing what

00:57:53.648 --> 00:58:01.728
you can out of hawaii isolated the most remote point on the planet i'm going holy crap and.

00:58:03.934 --> 00:58:09.974
That springs liberty. So I wanted to, you know, I've been looking for a moral.

00:58:10.134 --> 00:58:13.054
I'm tired of metrics because I know they're all controlled.

00:58:13.494 --> 00:58:18.314
You know, James is a perfect example of this. There was one that he just did.

00:58:18.314 --> 00:58:23.154
I think it was that version or a recent video in the last couple of weeks that

00:58:23.154 --> 00:58:28.254
I go to YouTube, put the exact title as it is on YouTube.

00:58:28.254 --> 00:58:32.954
He went back on the YouTube and we started, you know, loading up the YouTube

00:58:32.954 --> 00:58:34.094
again. Everybody, I don't care.

00:58:34.374 --> 00:58:41.374
Screw them. But what happened was I put in the exact verbiage for that video and it didn't come up.

00:58:41.814 --> 00:58:44.694
I'm going, man, that's some shadow banning right there.

00:58:44.874 --> 00:58:48.174
So this is something that I'm not looking for metrics.

00:58:48.294 --> 00:58:53.734
I'm not looking for, you know, laying hands on some the crown says and whatever.

00:58:54.014 --> 00:58:57.894
And Javier Malay has the link printed on his T-shirt or anything. I don't care.

00:58:58.254 --> 00:59:04.534
I want to make sure that we get this spread as widely as possible because it's

00:59:04.534 --> 00:59:09.574
such a great introduction to the philosophy of liberty.

00:59:09.974 --> 00:59:14.534
Now, real quick, you know, we focused on the past, present, future,

00:59:15.014 --> 00:59:18.754
you know, by the liberty aspects of that.

00:59:19.074 --> 00:59:23.154
Talk about that a little bit. And what do you think the main message,

00:59:23.274 --> 00:59:26.374
because the main one is philosophy of liberty is self-ownership.

00:59:26.374 --> 00:59:31.014
They had a big couple of hundred thousand Hispanics...

00:59:32.066 --> 00:59:38.306
Descended on the state capitol here in arizona it was in opposition to sb 1080 it was,

00:59:38.946 --> 00:59:41.686
anti-immigrant thing you know over a decade ago and

00:59:41.686 --> 00:59:47.646
so on and i knew what to do one of the guys that was a liaison to he had an

00:59:47.646 --> 00:59:53.306
office in the arizona state capitol representing the governor of sonora mexico

00:59:53.306 --> 01:00:00.326
that um he used to babysit when he was young i mean you know he you know They knew him.

01:00:00.466 --> 01:00:06.386
So he and his family owned a series of banks in Mexico, and they nationalized them.

01:00:06.526 --> 01:00:10.126
So he and his family were stripped of everything. He moved to Tucson.

01:00:10.426 --> 01:00:15.826
He was up here in Phoenix for a while. We became friends. He wrote a lot for Freedom's Phoenix.

01:00:18.066 --> 01:00:25.746
Now, we took and did these green and red cards that had La Filosofía de la Libertad,

01:00:25.986 --> 01:00:27.786
you know, the philosophy of liberty in Spanish.

01:00:27.786 --> 01:00:34.246
And it said on that business-sized card a message from the representative of the governor of Sonora.

01:00:34.992 --> 01:00:38.752
We had tens of thousands of them. People were just taking them and flinging

01:00:38.752 --> 01:00:41.352
them out. We didn't even have to pass them out. They were doing it for us.

01:00:41.612 --> 01:00:46.692
And this hundreds of thousands of people there got this, and it was put on by

01:00:46.692 --> 01:00:49.732
the Democrats. Of course, they wanted them to vote for him. And,

01:00:49.872 --> 01:00:51.212
man, they did not like it.

01:00:52.372 --> 01:00:56.012
Governor Napolitano, which later became Homeland Security and,

01:00:56.152 --> 01:00:59.352
you know, one of them, she freaked.

01:00:59.512 --> 01:01:03.272
And she goes, I want him. He's not a conservative.

01:01:04.012 --> 01:01:07.272
He's not. He goes, no. I'm libertarian. Screw you. You know?

01:01:07.532 --> 01:01:11.792
So he was told he had to apologize. No, I'm not doing it. Fire me. I don't give a crap.

01:01:11.992 --> 01:01:18.792
You know? So this is the impact that I have seen it happen. The Hispanic community.

01:01:19.352 --> 01:01:25.472
The Arab-speaking community. We have, of course, everybody else. So I know.

01:01:25.792 --> 01:01:29.552
I don't think I know. Barry gets mad when I say that. I don't think I know. I know.

01:01:29.672 --> 01:01:33.472
I'm a street activist. We've been doing it. So what we're going to do is we're

01:01:33.472 --> 01:01:34.792
going to promote this thing.

01:01:35.492 --> 01:01:39.852
Internationally. I want to try and, you know, get a bunch of Ken's and James

01:01:39.852 --> 01:01:43.652
and Ernie's out there to start, you know, pumping it and it'll go everywhere.

01:01:43.712 --> 01:01:45.972
And we already have the material.

01:01:46.612 --> 01:01:50.172
What is the supporting material behind it?

01:01:50.352 --> 01:01:56.512
What is it? You know, one of the things is the raw animation without the words

01:01:56.512 --> 01:02:00.572
that we could, you know, get in some, oh my God, language that hasn't been done.

01:02:00.952 --> 01:02:04.312
Who has all these files? Do you know? Yes.

01:02:04.712 --> 01:02:06.612
Steve Corbett. I mean, I'm sorry.

01:02:07.712 --> 01:02:10.172
Not you. What? You?

01:02:11.452 --> 01:02:16.792
Steve Cobb is the guy who always takes the language.

01:02:16.952 --> 01:02:21.472
He sends the template out to the person who wants to put it into a new language.

01:02:21.632 --> 01:02:25.272
And with the template, you see the English, and then you just fill in the blanks.

01:02:25.712 --> 01:02:28.032
And then...

01:02:28.709 --> 01:02:31.789
And then he just – he then processes it.

01:02:32.009 --> 01:02:36.029
It doesn't take very long and it's pretty – not very complicated.

01:02:36.189 --> 01:02:37.649
But he's been doing this for years.

01:02:37.829 --> 01:02:42.429
I haven't been in much contact with him recently because we haven't been translating

01:02:42.429 --> 01:02:44.529
more languages for quite a long time.

01:02:45.349 --> 01:02:51.929
And then AI is changing things, I'm sure. But at any rate, he's still the one that would do it.

01:02:52.549 --> 01:02:55.009
Well, tell me about – And how do people get in touch with him?

01:02:55.209 --> 01:03:02.869
Where is he again? Well, through me, but I mean, I'd be glad to look up and

01:03:02.869 --> 01:03:06.329
send you his email address. I just sent him an email.

01:03:08.349 --> 01:03:14.149
I went to that contact that we had years ago, Ernie, and I sent it out to him,

01:03:14.189 --> 01:03:15.429
but his email has changed.

01:03:15.569 --> 01:03:19.709
So I can look up the new email address and I can give you that.

01:03:21.629 --> 01:03:27.449
That's not a problem. And also, I think I'm probably having in connection with Facebook.

01:03:27.909 --> 01:03:34.289
But I think it's – I'm not adept at Instagram, but that's where all the young people are.

01:03:34.489 --> 01:03:37.149
I'm still an old dinosaur on Facebook.

01:03:37.449 --> 01:03:41.149
But – and I'm sure James – TikTok. I think that's where the kids are.

01:03:41.409 --> 01:03:42.849
Imagine a TikTok of this video.

01:03:43.609 --> 01:03:48.649
You know, my wife doesn't want me to get on TikTok because she was,

01:03:48.749 --> 01:03:51.589
you know, concerned about the Chinese government and all that.

01:03:52.449 --> 01:03:54.589
Plus it is brain rot, but other than that.

01:03:55.549 --> 01:04:01.809
If you go to JonathanGullible.com, you can see all the languages, they're right there.

01:04:02.089 --> 01:04:04.669
Yeah. And we published all this, you know, boom.

01:04:05.109 --> 01:04:10.269
So this is a thing, and I'm telling you, we're going to make it a bigger thing.

01:04:10.449 --> 01:04:11.929
We're going to rethink it, you know.

01:04:12.109 --> 01:04:18.889
Now, before you go, I wanted to still get a little bit more on Lux. What was his real name?

01:04:20.184 --> 01:04:23.464
Steve Cobb. No, Lux Luker.

01:04:24.704 --> 01:04:28.964
Kerry Pearson. And what was his motivation? You?

01:04:29.324 --> 01:04:33.384
I mean, that he did all this work and helped us. Yeah.

01:04:34.064 --> 01:04:42.184
Well, for one thing, he was a computer geek, and he liked this new concept of making animation.

01:04:42.604 --> 01:04:45.884
You know, over the years, there have been a lot of people that wanted to make

01:04:45.884 --> 01:04:51.824
a cartoon or animation out of Jonathan Gellible. And I've not been very smart with these things.

01:04:51.964 --> 01:04:58.444
We've had some flops, but he was the first. He wanted to make some animation and I,

01:04:59.407 --> 01:05:03.787
I guess we just met at Liberty International, and he was a nice guy.

01:05:04.087 --> 01:05:06.887
I mean, I can't say that I really got to know him all that well.

01:05:07.167 --> 01:05:11.947
But he just – he was one of these guys that wanted to do his part on promoting

01:05:11.947 --> 01:05:14.067
Liberty. And he thought this was – It is part.

01:05:15.347 --> 01:05:18.587
Before we go, anything else, James, that you want to clarify?

01:05:18.987 --> 01:05:22.587
Are you in? Yes, absolutely. But you raise a good point there,

01:05:22.647 --> 01:05:25.607
Ernie, about the shadow banning and the other nonsense that goes on on these

01:05:25.607 --> 01:05:28.907
algorithmically determined platforms. So we have to find the way around that.

01:05:28.907 --> 01:05:31.647
And the only real way around that is word of mouth.

01:05:31.787 --> 01:05:35.087
It has to come from people spreading this to their friends directly.

01:05:35.507 --> 01:05:38.947
And so I want to put the appeal out. Yeah, we're going to do what we can.

01:05:39.087 --> 01:05:41.507
And we're, you know, organizations are going to be working on this, etc.

01:05:41.727 --> 01:05:44.807
But it's going to depend on the people out there who are listening to this conversation.

01:05:45.167 --> 01:05:48.267
If you have watched The Philosophy of Liberty, if you like it,

01:05:48.627 --> 01:05:50.807
then please help to spread it.

01:05:50.927 --> 01:05:54.787
It won't happen without your support. Because exactly as Ernie says,

01:05:55.007 --> 01:05:59.387
I mean, back in the day, a decade or so ago, if you typed Federal Reserve into

01:05:59.387 --> 01:06:03.727
the YouTube search engine, you would get my documentary first result,

01:06:04.047 --> 01:06:04.947
The Century of Enslavement.

01:06:05.067 --> 01:06:08.207
But once that became well known and people started finding out,

01:06:08.327 --> 01:06:10.387
oh, my God, what is YouTube serving people?

01:06:10.667 --> 01:06:14.747
Yeah, they algorithmically censored it so that it became almost impossible to

01:06:14.747 --> 01:06:15.507
search through YouTube.

01:06:16.027 --> 01:06:19.587
And if and when, you know, the philosophy of liberty takes off and there's all

01:06:19.587 --> 01:06:23.247
sorts of people looking for it, you know they're going to try the same types of shenanigans.

01:06:23.607 --> 01:06:27.307
So the only way around that right now is to literally spread this to people

01:06:27.307 --> 01:06:29.747
you know. And I want to call on people to help do that.

01:06:30.447 --> 01:06:33.907
Well, we're going to go ahead and make to where we have a...

01:06:36.378 --> 01:06:39.078
Ipfs version of it and a list to where

01:06:39.078 --> 01:06:42.218
people can go there and it never be gone in

01:06:42.218 --> 01:06:45.918
every language i already talked to derek about he's like i'm down man we're

01:06:45.918 --> 01:06:50.318
gonna make it happen so we're gonna go slow burn on this we got holidays coming

01:06:50.318 --> 01:06:54.898
up and everything which is fine and but it needs to be done now and the reason

01:06:54.898 --> 01:06:59.638
is is because things are going to crap i mean that just saying i mean you You know,

01:06:59.958 --> 01:07:02.618
we're out occupying the land here, because.

01:07:03.018 --> 01:07:07.318
But it's a slow burn.

01:07:07.318 --> 01:07:10.958
It's one of those things that just, you know, builds on itself.

01:07:10.958 --> 01:07:14.878
And people, once they become aware of it, and they can have access to it,

01:07:14.958 --> 01:07:19.218
and it doesn't get deplatformed or censored or, you know, taken down.

01:07:19.438 --> 01:07:23.998
You know, we're going to go ahead and provide that opportunity to make sure

01:07:23.998 --> 01:07:27.598
that these links are always good.

01:07:28.578 --> 01:07:33.058
It happens all the time. I would put stuff up on Freedom's Phoenix.

01:07:33.218 --> 01:07:35.018
We've been doing Freedom's Phoenix since 2005.

01:07:35.498 --> 01:07:41.698
And I'll put something like Century of Enslavement or The Power of Nightmares.

01:07:41.918 --> 01:07:45.198
Or there was another one the BBC did I thought was really good.

01:07:45.458 --> 01:07:51.198
They sent the Century of the Self or something like that. And they kept taking them down.

01:07:51.498 --> 01:07:54.758
They put them back up, but the links were always bad. So I'm going,

01:07:55.118 --> 01:07:58.438
nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. We're going to include

01:07:58.438 --> 01:08:04.238
on our web pages an access to an interplanetary file sharing link.

01:08:04.935 --> 01:08:10.815
Will never go down. And this is what our contribution is, to make sure that

01:08:10.815 --> 01:08:16.095
this lives, that it's accessible, that it can always be viewed in every language

01:08:16.095 --> 01:08:17.515
that we have translation for.

01:08:17.715 --> 01:08:21.435
And if you speak something other than the 46 languages that it let us know,

01:08:21.575 --> 01:08:22.315
we'll take care of business.

01:08:22.595 --> 01:08:27.795
So this is so, I'm excited by this. And I don't get excited.

01:08:27.955 --> 01:08:32.675
I'll go a decade before I'll just all in on a project like this.

01:08:32.855 --> 01:08:38.655
And I've had at least three or four times that I've used this as a project,

01:08:38.655 --> 01:08:42.015
and it always bears big, giant fruit.

01:08:42.375 --> 01:08:46.535
And I want to make sure, and James is going to be a big part of this,

01:08:46.755 --> 01:08:51.335
with his open source education, Corbett Report, Our Freedoms Phoenix, The Show,

01:08:51.855 --> 01:08:55.855
Liberty International, the president now is a good friend, Yasek,

01:08:55.915 --> 01:09:00.415
young man, that got inspired by a lot of this stuff. and now he's president

01:09:00.415 --> 01:09:01.335
of Liberty International.

01:09:01.915 --> 01:09:04.255
And we've got students for Liberty. We've got all these organizations,

01:09:04.255 --> 01:09:08.515
and Ken knows many more around the world.

01:09:08.835 --> 01:09:12.295
When my family travels around the world, like my youngest daughter,

01:09:12.455 --> 01:09:15.535
a senior in school, she goes to Europe. I call Ken.

01:09:15.735 --> 01:09:19.275
Hey, man, hook me up. I need some European guys that, you know,

01:09:19.375 --> 01:09:24.555
she has a get-out-of-jail-card number to call something, you know,

01:09:24.715 --> 01:09:28.355
so that I just doing dad thing, making sure she has somebody.

01:09:29.015 --> 01:09:33.055
He'd hook me up. They'd be a guy that owns hotels in Athens or whatever.

01:09:33.335 --> 01:09:34.775
People that, you know, in Germany.

01:09:35.315 --> 01:09:41.155
It is so widespread. And the fact that we're doing this in honor of Lux.

01:09:41.961 --> 01:09:45.161
Of ken of our efforts it's going

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to be a thing i know it and i

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don't give a shit what the metrics say just telling

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you okay so i'm i'm sorry did i say that

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out loud so yeah i want to make sure people know that

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i already know how'd you know ernie how'd you

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not know what the hell are you paying attention to watch it

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the philosophy of liberty in your favorite language and

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i'll tell you it's so simple so basic

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and so based on truth the

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why did you we can go on forever i know james has got to go but i i just wanted

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to do this show to get the history behind it and who was the genesis of it it

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was ken ken will you help us out you know when we need it yeah of course of course.

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And I've got to thank you, Ernie, for introducing me to James Corbett too because

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I've been watching his stuff, but I never became a regular.

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But now I'm thrilled. I didn't put it all together.

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And so, well, you're a hero in my view, James. I really appreciate the stuff

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you did about the Federal Reserve and these other things.

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I'm eager to be a follower. if you'd put in your chat the link where I can find

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your website and all that I'll be a regular follower I will absolutely do that

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we will definitely connect in the future good good good great.

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Corbettreport.com two T's,

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I'm telling you, man, this has been, it's just the beginning.

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And this is our Christmas present or whatever, Kwanzaa present,

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Hanukkah present, whatever the hell. You know, I don't care.

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Merry Christmas. So I want to make sure that this is a gift to the world.

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It's just what is the answer.

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Freedom's the answer. What's the freaking question? This is the whole point.

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And you've had such an impact on myself and so many other people.

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Thank you, Ken. I'm glad that as you retire in, you thought you were going to

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be retired and on vacation. We keep pulling them back in.

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We pull you back in. Before, yeah.

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And I'm very glad to be a part of this, Ernie. I can't thank you enough for

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revitalizing this whole project and keeping it alive, and you can count me out

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on anything that you're doing. I'm really pleased.

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Thanks so much. Thank you very much. James, any final words?

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Just once again, thank you for doing what you did, and now I thank in advance

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the audience for helping to spread this even further. Let's take it viral.

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Great, great, great, great. And it's in every language.

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Oh, thank you very much. Peace, everybody.