WEBVTT 00:00:00.017 --> 00:00:05.177 Everyone will live under the rule of their sovereign corporation via contract, 00:00:05.457 --> 00:00:13.797 smart contract, and that whole system will have unchallengeable centralised 00:00:13.797 --> 00:00:15.477 authority exerted over it. 00:00:17.837 --> 00:00:20.557 You're listening to The Corbett Report. 00:00:23.377 --> 00:00:26.197 Welcome, friends. Welcome back to The Corbett Report. James Corbett here at 00:00:26.197 --> 00:00:30.877 CorbettReport.com in a conversation that is being recorded mid-December of 2025 00:00:30.877 --> 00:00:35.137 on a topic that is of great concern, I know, to everyone in the audience, 00:00:35.377 --> 00:00:40.497 the technocratic dark state, which just happens to be the name of an entire 00:00:40.497 --> 00:00:43.537 book that has been written on that topic by today's guest. 00:00:43.917 --> 00:00:47.517 Today's guest, of course, you will be familiar with if you have seen our previous 00:00:47.517 --> 00:00:52.277 conversations, or if you have seen his reporting at Unlimited Hangouts, 00:00:52.637 --> 00:00:58.237 Off Guardian, other outlets besides, he is, of course, Ian Davis. 00:00:58.537 --> 00:01:01.417 And I'm sure you're familiar with his work, but if not, this is a good time 00:01:01.417 --> 00:01:02.297 to get familiar with him. 00:01:02.477 --> 00:01:08.577 You can do so by going to thetechnocraticdarkstate.com and purchasing a copy of his new book. 00:01:08.877 --> 00:01:11.777 Let's bring him on the program. Ian Davis, thank you so much for taking the 00:01:11.777 --> 00:01:12.657 time to talk with us today. 00:01:13.477 --> 00:01:16.857 Oh, it's my pleasure, James. Thanks very much for inviting me. yes 00:01:16.857 --> 00:01:20.057 i wish we could talk about happy and uh and 00:01:20.057 --> 00:01:22.777 and exciting uh news on the 00:01:22.777 --> 00:01:25.817 good news front but unfortunately we are here talking about 00:01:25.817 --> 00:01:28.537 the technocratic dark state but we are 00:01:28.537 --> 00:01:32.357 talking about it because it is an impending and encroaching reality that i think 00:01:32.357 --> 00:01:37.837 we're all starting to uh understand in various ways so let's start diving into 00:01:37.837 --> 00:01:42.277 this book and the topics of this book i guess again there are new people tuning 00:01:42.277 --> 00:01:46.617 in all the time so some people will be familiar with your work and your background. Some won't. 00:01:46.877 --> 00:01:51.717 So briefly, who are you and why and how did you become interested in this topic in particular? 00:01:52.963 --> 00:01:55.923 Um i'm ian davis of uh journalist and 00:01:55.923 --> 00:01:58.903 author i live and work in the uk uh i 00:01:58.903 --> 00:02:01.603 first became interested in this probably when i 00:02:01.603 --> 00:02:07.803 first started reading uh patrick wood work patrick wood's work um and uh ever 00:02:07.803 --> 00:02:12.543 since then i've been very interested in the in technocracy and the rollout of 00:02:12.543 --> 00:02:18.143 technocracy um and the thing that struck me almost immediately upon reading 00:02:18.143 --> 00:02:21.463 his work initially is that once you start, 00:02:21.743 --> 00:02:29.463 once you understand what it is and you're aware of how it could be implemented, 00:02:29.463 --> 00:02:33.583 it became evident to me pretty quickly that it was being implemented. 00:02:34.463 --> 00:02:38.423 And so I've kind of followed that progression over a number of years now, 00:02:38.563 --> 00:02:44.363 probably more than a couple of decades, but I've been writing about it for about a decade. 00:02:44.663 --> 00:02:51.123 So yeah, and This is very much about the continuation of that rollout of technocracy, 00:02:51.503 --> 00:02:57.983 which is not, you know, we often fall, one of the topics that I discuss in the 00:02:57.983 --> 00:03:02.363 book is that we often fall into the trap of, you know, people want to describe 00:03:02.363 --> 00:03:05.843 it as communism or people want to describe it as fascism. 00:03:06.623 --> 00:03:12.623 Technocracy is a distinct and separate ideology, for want of a better expression. 00:03:13.943 --> 00:03:20.523 And obviously, it's very much based on the rollout of more and more and more 00:03:20.523 --> 00:03:21.963 technological controls. 00:03:22.503 --> 00:03:27.803 And that is precisely what we are seeing. And, you know, one of my impetus for 00:03:27.803 --> 00:03:32.543 writing the book was that, you know, we are getting to the sharp end of that now. 00:03:33.463 --> 00:03:38.403 I think it's fair to say that much of the infrastructure that would enable that 00:03:38.403 --> 00:03:42.223 system to work is now pretty much in place. 00:03:42.483 --> 00:03:48.903 And we are now at the point where it's really now the game is on to entice us to use it. 00:03:51.208 --> 00:03:54.388 All right let's dive into the deep end of this conversation um i 00:03:54.388 --> 00:03:57.388 suppose we could hold people's hand and lead them along through 00:03:57.388 --> 00:04:00.448 the concept of what is technocracy in the historical technocratic 00:04:00.448 --> 00:04:05.288 movement but as you say i i imagine a lot of people have encountered that at 00:04:05.288 --> 00:04:08.968 some point so far if not from my own work and people might want to start at 00:04:08.968 --> 00:04:12.888 my questions for corbett on what is technocracy then from your work or the work 00:04:12.888 --> 00:04:16.708 of patrick wood at technocracy news i think people should be familiar with that 00:04:16.708 --> 00:04:19.968 term by now but there's plenty of resources for to catch people up to speed. 00:04:20.288 --> 00:04:24.288 But as you point out in this book, and as you elaborate in great detail, 00:04:24.528 --> 00:04:28.928 there is a lot more to this term and associated terms, 00:04:29.268 --> 00:04:33.048 and including terms that have been developed in the past few decades, 00:04:33.388 --> 00:04:35.588 not the century old technocracy term. 00:04:35.788 --> 00:04:41.568 And there's such a tangled, interrelated web of concepts and topics and names 00:04:41.568 --> 00:04:45.208 and peoples and ideologies and philosophies that I don't know exactly how to 00:04:45.208 --> 00:04:47.568 disentangle them in the form of a question. 00:04:47.768 --> 00:04:50.868 So let me, let me try to smush them all together instead. 00:04:51.428 --> 00:04:57.188 Ian Davis, who are the neo-reactionaries of the dark enlightenment and why are 00:04:57.188 --> 00:05:00.988 they trying to accelerate us towards their GovCorp slave state? 00:05:03.055 --> 00:05:09.055 Yeah, so the book is very much about the group of Silicon Valley oligarchs, 00:05:09.115 --> 00:05:12.855 perhaps most famously people like Peter Thiel, Mark Anderson, 00:05:13.255 --> 00:05:15.915 Elon Musk, Larry Ellison. 00:05:16.095 --> 00:05:22.815 These people that are supporting and were behind very much financially and, 00:05:22.875 --> 00:05:28.615 you know, certainly in terms of propaganda in supporting the Trump campaign 00:05:28.615 --> 00:05:31.015 and in getting Donald Trump into office. 00:05:31.895 --> 00:05:39.055 And they favour something called the Dark Enlightenment, which was a treatise 00:05:39.055 --> 00:05:43.435 that was written by a UK philosopher, Nick Land, in 2012. 00:05:43.935 --> 00:05:50.835 And that was based upon the kind of musings of a guy called Curtis Yarvin in the US. 00:05:51.015 --> 00:05:56.875 Not based upon, he certainly cited Yarvin heavily when Yarvin was writing under 00:05:56.875 --> 00:05:59.315 the pseudonym of Mencius Moldeby. 00:05:59.967 --> 00:06:07.307 And essentially the idea is that they want to privatise all forms of governance 00:06:07.307 --> 00:06:13.787 under private corporations, which they would consider to be sovereign corporations. 00:06:13.787 --> 00:06:19.107 So these would be multinational corporations that would have the ultimate power, 00:06:19.407 --> 00:06:27.547 ultimate sovereignty over us, controlling a digitally based system where we 00:06:27.547 --> 00:06:29.927 would surrender our rights via 00:06:29.927 --> 00:06:37.067 a smart contract to live in one of their controlled sovereign city states. 00:06:38.107 --> 00:06:44.347 And the accelerationism part of it is a tactic that they use because one of 00:06:44.347 --> 00:06:48.847 the things that Lan spoke about in the Dark Enlightenment and one of the ideas 00:06:48.847 --> 00:06:54.727 that the neo-reactionaries have promoted quite heavily is that you could use 00:06:54.727 --> 00:06:57.927 an economist called Joseph Schumpeter. 00:06:58.027 --> 00:07:03.947 He identified something that he called creative destruction. 00:07:03.947 --> 00:07:06.887 He identified it as 00:07:06.887 --> 00:07:10.587 a facet of capitalism i.e 00:07:10.587 --> 00:07:13.327 it was a it was something that it was this 00:07:13.327 --> 00:07:16.307 the destruction of one market to be replaced by another 00:07:16.307 --> 00:07:19.547 market due to technology so as 00:07:19.547 --> 00:07:22.427 technology moves forward so an easy example to give 00:07:22.427 --> 00:07:25.607 is the horse and cart gets replaced by the automobile so there's 00:07:25.607 --> 00:07:28.627 a technological advance and that's 00:07:28.627 --> 00:07:32.787 obviously ended the market for the horse and cart and created the new market 00:07:32.787 --> 00:07:39.007 for the automobile now Schumpeter saw that as an effect of capitalist innovation 00:07:39.007 --> 00:07:47.187 and technological innovation what the neo reactionaries see it as is a tool to be used to. 00:07:48.012 --> 00:07:51.072 To destroy markets and create new ones but 00:07:51.072 --> 00:07:54.872 they also recognize that monopolistic control 00:07:54.872 --> 00:07:58.712 of markets comes with socio-political power 00:07:58.712 --> 00:08:05.172 you are able to exert that through through control of major markets so they 00:08:05.172 --> 00:08:10.932 therefore thought that it's they if you could use creative destruction through 00:08:10.932 --> 00:08:15.772 a very aggressive investment or venture capital strategy, 00:08:15.772 --> 00:08:18.312 which they called accelerationism, 00:08:18.592 --> 00:08:21.432 which would enable you, they think, 00:08:21.792 --> 00:08:29.752 to basically change sociopolitical structures as well through this form of aggressive 00:08:29.752 --> 00:08:31.492 application of technology. 00:08:31.872 --> 00:08:37.452 And they see that people like Thiel and Musk see that as kind of the aggressive 00:08:37.452 --> 00:08:42.412 application of venture capitalism, in what they call disruptive technology. 00:08:44.772 --> 00:08:48.832 So if I've got it straight, essentially they're attempting to apply creative 00:08:48.832 --> 00:08:53.592 destruction to the state itself in order to de-territorialize the political landscape, 00:08:53.592 --> 00:09:00.792 in order to re-territorialize it with their dream of a GovCorp state of some sort. 00:09:01.792 --> 00:09:06.992 Yeah. So they often talk about this notion of governance as a service. 00:09:06.992 --> 00:09:15.172 One of the themes of the book is basically deception. 00:09:15.492 --> 00:09:21.292 So they've piggybacked on what we might perhaps consider to be quite traditional 00:09:21.292 --> 00:09:23.812 libertarian concepts such as decentralisation. 00:09:25.973 --> 00:09:33.133 Which they would call de-territorialisation, so literally de-territorialising 00:09:33.133 --> 00:09:39.453 the reach of a market or, in their view, a socio-political system or structure or government, 00:09:39.673 --> 00:09:44.593 so you de-territorialise that. 00:09:46.133 --> 00:09:50.513 And then, you know, so a lot of libertarians would look at that and think, 00:09:50.573 --> 00:09:55.913 well, this notion of decentralisation is good, you know, Even small-c conservatives 00:09:55.913 --> 00:09:57.193 would think that was good. 00:09:57.373 --> 00:10:00.013 You know, more localised governance is a good idea. 00:10:00.573 --> 00:10:05.333 But then they speak about, as you rightly say, re-territorialisation, 00:10:05.353 --> 00:10:14.493 which is once you've created this kind of network of de-territorialised sovereign corporation. 00:10:15.513 --> 00:10:20.433 Yavin talked about a patchwork of realms. So what he means is these islands 00:10:20.433 --> 00:10:29.453 of sovereign territories, territories of nation states controlled by a sovereign corporation, 00:10:30.093 --> 00:10:34.013 but they would then be linked together to form a network. 00:10:34.793 --> 00:10:38.533 One of the formative writers in the in the neo-reactionary 00:10:38.533 --> 00:10:41.413 writers this guy called Balaji Srinifazan wrote something called 00:10:41.413 --> 00:10:44.433 the network state where he spoke 00:10:44.433 --> 00:10:51.713 about re-territorialization exerting centralized control over the network and 00:10:51.713 --> 00:10:55.733 that's where we need to be very careful about the way that they use language 00:10:55.733 --> 00:11:02.433 because they talk in kind of libertarian terms and often are self-styled libertarians. 00:11:02.753 --> 00:11:07.653 You know, Thiel has openly, you know, styled himself as a libertarian, 00:11:07.813 --> 00:11:11.573 and certainly he has been assisted in that endeavour by the media. 00:11:12.593 --> 00:11:15.053 But what they are suggesting is 00:11:15.053 --> 00:11:20.393 the antithesis of any kind of libertarian principle that you can think of. 00:11:20.553 --> 00:11:26.313 Because they are talking about exerting centralized sovereign authority. 00:11:27.479 --> 00:11:35.659 With no chance of any kind of, you know, even representative democratic oversight such as that is. 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:39.899 But, I mean, even that they want to do away with. 00:11:40.219 --> 00:11:46.439 Everyone will live under the rule of their sovereign corporation via contract, smart contract. 00:11:46.719 --> 00:11:55.099 And that whole system will have unchallengeable centralized authority exerted 00:11:55.099 --> 00:11:58.519 over it. So it is the opposite of libertarianism. 00:11:59.419 --> 00:12:03.519 Right. I think the tip off that this isn't quite libertarian in nature is the 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:07.519 fact that the CEOs of these gov corps are going to be techno kings, 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:11.259 which let me check my anarcho-capitalist book. 00:12:11.359 --> 00:12:14.939 No, I don't think that that term is one that should be used for anyone who actually 00:12:14.939 --> 00:12:15.939 believes in human liberty. 00:12:17.299 --> 00:12:20.819 Yeah no i mean they i mean it's another reason 00:12:20.819 --> 00:12:24.639 for writing the book is that they use so much jargon 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:28.139 they use esopian language to to 00:12:28.139 --> 00:12:31.159 so that they can make in jokes to each 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.659 other that other people don't quite cotton on to so you know one of the reasons 00:12:35.659 --> 00:12:40.139 that i that one of the things i talk about is that it was just an exchange on 00:12:40.139 --> 00:12:46.159 x with between elon musk and this guy called gulaine Verdon who runs this thing 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:49.079 called the E-accelerationist movement which is kind of like a. 00:12:50.499 --> 00:12:55.359 More tech not even more technological based wing of the neo-reactionary movement, 00:12:56.239 --> 00:13:00.299 and you know looking at it from the outside you wouldn't necessarily spot what 00:13:00.299 --> 00:13:07.019 what they were saying but Ghislaine Verdon said building the network state on 00:13:07.019 --> 00:13:12.619 Mars now so you need to know what the network state is all about first to know 00:13:12.619 --> 00:13:14.079 what that what they're talking about. 00:13:15.259 --> 00:13:19.299 Building the network stake on Mars, where Elon Musk then comes back and says, 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:26.419 technocracy, quite kind of question mark, and Verdun comes back and says, count me in. 00:13:27.632 --> 00:13:35.172 So, so another interesting quote from Verdun, he said, if you knew what I was 00:13:35.172 --> 00:13:37.312 building, you would make it illegal. 00:13:38.392 --> 00:13:42.212 Or you are words that affect on paraphrasing. If you knew what I was building, 00:13:42.372 --> 00:13:44.632 you wouldn't allow it or something like that. 00:13:44.932 --> 00:13:49.672 So and there's all these little these terms that they use. 00:13:49.952 --> 00:13:52.792 Well, what's in the name? As you point out, it may be an aside, 00:13:53.132 --> 00:13:58.092 but as you point out in the book, Doge has multiple potential meanings. 00:13:58.432 --> 00:14:02.692 And the Doge father himself, Musk, seems to have embraced that term for reasons 00:14:02.692 --> 00:14:05.072 that we I don't know if we know exactly. 00:14:05.292 --> 00:14:07.412 But what are some of the speculation around that term? 00:14:08.172 --> 00:14:12.352 Well, yeah, it could be that he's referencing the Dogecoin, which was a meme 00:14:12.352 --> 00:14:18.112 coin that was that was I mean, the interesting part of the Dogecoin for me is 00:14:18.112 --> 00:14:20.252 that it was literally a parody. 00:14:20.872 --> 00:14:26.752 Mean coin. It was a parody. It was a joke. The two guys that put it out did it for a laugh. 00:14:29.072 --> 00:14:37.032 But through his social media reach, Musk took the value of that coin, I think, up in 2014. 00:14:37.792 --> 00:14:44.112 It was 2020. No, in 2021, he took it to, I think, a market cap of something 00:14:44.112 --> 00:14:48.032 like, I don't know, I can't remember now. It was either 14 million or 14. 00:14:48.172 --> 00:14:54.332 It was an exorbitant market cap that they managed to get for this coin, which was a joke. 00:14:54.692 --> 00:14:59.892 But the interesting thing about that is that Musk's team, and I'm very much 00:14:59.892 --> 00:15:03.572 one of the things I talk about, is that these people are representative of networks. 00:15:03.792 --> 00:15:05.512 They're not, they're characters. 00:15:05.872 --> 00:15:11.592 They're not, you know, obviously Musk is an individual, but he's representative of a network. 00:15:11.592 --> 00:15:19.732 But his team knew that they could just say things online and have a massive 00:15:19.732 --> 00:15:24.792 market influence on the valuation of a fake product. 00:15:26.093 --> 00:15:31.293 And I think that then subsequently you see Musk doing that in a much broader context. 00:15:31.513 --> 00:15:37.233 So, for example, in the UK, you know, sticking his oar in to suggest that, 00:15:37.433 --> 00:15:41.133 you know, for political reasons, suggesting that, you know, perhaps we should 00:15:41.133 --> 00:15:45.833 have a revolution in the UK, a violent revolution, this kind of thing. 00:15:45.973 --> 00:15:48.193 So he understands the impact of his words. 00:15:48.373 --> 00:15:55.033 So Doge could be a reference to that. But obviously, the Doge was also the appointed 00:15:55.033 --> 00:15:57.513 head of the mercantile Venetian Republic. 00:15:58.693 --> 00:16:04.953 And the Venetian Republic is a model island city-state. 00:16:05.513 --> 00:16:12.513 Peter Thiel is very much, he was sort of very interested in seasteading, i.e. 00:16:12.513 --> 00:16:18.193 Reclaiming the oceans and building kind of autonomous city-states in the oceans, 00:16:18.193 --> 00:16:22.113 which if you look at if you think about um venice 00:16:22.113 --> 00:16:24.973 of old um that was a load of islands in the 00:16:24.973 --> 00:16:29.233 middle of the middle of the sea well swamp actually but i mean it was it was 00:16:29.233 --> 00:16:33.333 nonetheless it was you know you can see that there are parallels there so maybe 00:16:33.333 --> 00:16:39.293 doge was again one of these in jokes that they like to uh they like to uh throw 00:16:39.293 --> 00:16:42.193 around amongst themselves and doge elon i I mean, 00:16:42.313 --> 00:16:50.693 even Elon's name was famously part of a Werner Von Braun story about the leader of Mars was called Elon. 00:16:51.293 --> 00:16:54.473 Anyway, what's in the name, I suppose. 00:16:54.853 --> 00:17:00.313 But getting more to the heart of this ideology and what is really being talked about here. 00:17:00.473 --> 00:17:05.353 What role does AI play in the plans of these accelerationists? 00:17:06.459 --> 00:17:11.259 Well, you know, a very prominent member of this group, Mark Anderson, 00:17:11.619 --> 00:17:15.399 who's kind of one of the partners of Anderson Horowitz, which is arguably, 00:17:15.659 --> 00:17:20.499 is it the biggest technology venture capitalist firm? 00:17:20.659 --> 00:17:23.419 It might, if it isn't, it's up there with the biggest. 00:17:25.479 --> 00:17:30.079 He said that AI is our philosopher's stone. 00:17:31.059 --> 00:17:33.999 So the notion being that, you know, the Philosopher's Stone, 00:17:34.139 --> 00:17:38.279 the elixir that changes matter from one substance to another, 00:17:38.459 --> 00:17:40.679 you know, the idea that it is transformative. 00:17:40.819 --> 00:17:43.639 So it's a metaphor for transformation. 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:51.019 And they are absolutely convinced that AI is the transformative elixir that 00:17:51.019 --> 00:17:58.139 they can use to bring about what Peter Thiel said was the end of politics in all its forms. 00:17:58.139 --> 00:18:02.179 Again, you know, ostensibly on the surface, 00:18:02.699 --> 00:18:08.159 something that, you know, libertarians might support But what he means is replacing 00:18:08.159 --> 00:18:17.159 it with autocratic rule, that's what he means So it's not quite as libertarian as it first sounds. 00:18:18.879 --> 00:18:25.079 But yeah, so they see AI as the key to transforming the world But again, 00:18:25.239 --> 00:18:31.399 again, going back to deception, which is thick, it goes throughout the whole 00:18:31.399 --> 00:18:33.579 kind of neo-reactionary kind of perspective. 00:18:34.479 --> 00:18:38.639 You know, when land first came up with the dark enlightenment, 00:18:38.859 --> 00:18:42.519 the assumption was that the singularity was going to happen. 00:18:42.939 --> 00:18:47.279 The singularity being the point at which technology, you know, 00:18:47.579 --> 00:18:52.299 becomes self-perpetuating and surpasses humans' ability to adapt to it. 00:18:53.339 --> 00:18:58.619 That's an assumption that lies at the heart of the dark enlightenment and therefore, 00:18:59.978 --> 00:19:04.238 we must be adapted to cope with the singularity. 00:19:04.518 --> 00:19:09.238 So they are transhumanists. They're all very avid transhumanists. 00:19:09.338 --> 00:19:15.278 So that's why we see people like Thiel and Musk investing so heavily in things like, you know, 00:19:15.698 --> 00:19:18.678 neural interfaces and that kind of thing, that kind of technology, 00:19:18.678 --> 00:19:25.238 because they believe that the only way we can survive the forthcoming singularity, 00:19:25.368 --> 00:19:29.268 singularity, which inevitably AI is going to produce, 00:19:29.928 --> 00:19:35.728 then, you know, then we need to be transformed into kind of genetically enhanced cyborgs. 00:19:35.868 --> 00:19:38.968 This is their belief system. 00:19:39.328 --> 00:19:43.088 I'll get to belief in a moment because I did question that in the book, but nonetheless. 00:19:44.848 --> 00:19:51.608 So AI for them is this magic, magic thing, this magic entity that's going to 00:19:51.608 --> 00:19:52.988 make everything brilliant. 00:19:53.428 --> 00:20:02.788 But if you, look at the development of AI, we are some way off it becoming the 00:20:02.788 --> 00:20:07.508 kind of sentient entity that they think it's going to be. 00:20:07.968 --> 00:20:13.568 There are many, many hurdles that have to be overcome first before it even becomes 00:20:13.568 --> 00:20:19.668 what they call theory of mind AI, which would be the next step along that path 00:20:19.668 --> 00:20:20.868 if we head in that direction. 00:20:21.208 --> 00:20:25.568 There are things like catastrophic forgetting problems that it has. 00:20:26.268 --> 00:20:29.068 You sometimes hear the term brittle AI. 00:20:29.848 --> 00:20:36.828 There are massive technological problems that have yet to be solved to even 00:20:36.828 --> 00:20:42.788 get us to progress beyond basically LLMs, which are just big calculators. 00:20:42.788 --> 00:20:50.668 So, their whole premise is based upon assumption. 00:20:50.788 --> 00:20:53.608 They're assuming that these things are going to happen. 00:20:53.808 --> 00:20:59.568 At the same time, whilst warning about the potential risks of the singularity, 00:20:59.968 --> 00:21:03.348 all of their companies and all of their investment and all of their kind of 00:21:03.348 --> 00:21:04.768 technological drive is... 00:21:05.856 --> 00:21:13.116 They're pushing us as hard as they possibly can, accelerating us towards trying 00:21:13.116 --> 00:21:15.616 to create the thing that they're warning us against. 00:21:16.596 --> 00:21:23.976 So it's just, you know, I suppose if there is one major theme of the book, 00:21:24.116 --> 00:21:31.576 it is deception. It is the degree of deception that these characters are taking us through. 00:21:31.916 --> 00:21:35.696 I would say another major theme of the book is the quest for control. 00:21:35.856 --> 00:21:40.656 And the quest for control of humanity down to the genomic level and everything 00:21:40.656 --> 00:21:44.496 else, and that can be accomplished technologically in a number of different 00:21:44.496 --> 00:21:48.496 ways. And a lot of these different characters have different things to say about it. 00:21:49.076 --> 00:21:54.576 One key aspect of that is control of the economy down to the economic atomic 00:21:54.576 --> 00:21:56.496 level, aka the monetary level. 00:21:56.496 --> 00:21:59.356 And of course in that regard we have 00:21:59.356 --> 00:22:02.516 to look at a character like Peter Thiel who of 00:22:02.516 --> 00:22:07.036 course was known as one of the co-founders of PayPal along with Elon Musk but 00:22:07.036 --> 00:22:11.916 Thiel had his own particular vision for PayPal and what it was going to accomplish 00:22:11.916 --> 00:22:17.316 which I think is now being accomplished through stablecoin and other means CBDC 00:22:17.316 --> 00:22:20.256 world that we're stepping into so can you tell us a little 00:22:20.436 --> 00:22:27.736 about that vision for how the economic life of the GovCorp will be managed at the base level. 00:22:29.199 --> 00:22:34.619 Yeah. So, I mean, when when PayPal was first set up, Theo, around the same time, 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:37.379 Theo said that the purpose of it was to create what he called, 00:22:37.479 --> 00:22:38.959 quote, a new world currency. 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:44.819 And not shortly after that, I may be getting my years mixed up, 00:22:44.879 --> 00:22:47.139 but it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't long after he said that. 00:22:47.239 --> 00:22:53.219 Then he also said that a sovereign, a sovereign currency destroys nation states. 00:22:53.219 --> 00:22:57.499 I'm paraphrasing that slightly, but it was it was words to that effect. 00:22:57.499 --> 00:23:03.919 So he knows that monetary control has total control over, I mean, 00:23:03.979 --> 00:23:07.159 let's be honest, he knows that it has control over pretty much everything. 00:23:07.159 --> 00:23:12.219 So he set about creating, 00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:16.939 and he was also, I think this is an important thing, 00:23:17.219 --> 00:23:24.359 he was an active serving board member on what was then Facebook, but now Meta, 00:23:24.639 --> 00:23:31.639 when Meta launched LibraCoin, which was a, the point of it was that it would 00:23:31.639 --> 00:23:36.819 be a stable coin at a time when Meta had 2 billion users. 00:23:39.459 --> 00:23:47.739 And one of Meta's now dropped this kind of PR logo or PR quick that it uses. 00:23:47.979 --> 00:23:53.739 But it used to be its PR message was move fast and destroy things, 00:23:53.959 --> 00:23:57.599 which is the epitome of accelerationism. 00:23:57.819 --> 00:24:02.359 That is what dark enlightenment, neo-reactionary accelerationism is all about. 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:09.819 So when they launched LibraCoin, the notion of creative destruction is that 00:24:09.819 --> 00:24:13.959 you use technology to create a paradigm that... 00:24:14.715 --> 00:24:20.095 That requires some sort of fracturing new response. 00:24:21.095 --> 00:24:25.415 So LibraCoin, which Theo was very, obviously he was sitting on the board, 00:24:25.535 --> 00:24:27.215 and so was Anderson, actually. 00:24:29.495 --> 00:24:32.755 LibraCoin, when they launched it, they knew it was going to fail. 00:24:32.935 --> 00:24:36.195 They had no expectation of LibraCoin succeeding. 00:24:36.675 --> 00:24:42.795 That's quite clear from documents that Meta themselves have published, 00:24:42.795 --> 00:24:44.995 that they knew it wouldn't work. 00:24:45.175 --> 00:24:50.155 So why did they do it? Well, because what it meant was that they had to create 00:24:50.155 --> 00:24:57.235 a regulatory environment, a new monetary regulatory environment for the management 00:24:57.235 --> 00:24:59.415 of privately issued currency. 00:24:59.875 --> 00:25:04.535 So the notion of a sovereign state is that it cannot work unless it has the 00:25:04.535 --> 00:25:09.235 authority to issue its own currency, and that will be a programmable digital currency. 00:25:10.595 --> 00:25:13.715 So so LibraCoin is a 00:25:13.715 --> 00:25:16.875 is a really good example of how these guys 00:25:16.875 --> 00:25:20.275 operate because because they they created 00:25:20.275 --> 00:25:23.375 a threat that required well I 00:25:23.375 --> 00:25:26.695 mean it's also working in partnership with regulators as 00:25:26.695 --> 00:25:30.435 well that's also a big part of it so it's not as if they're working in opposition 00:25:30.435 --> 00:25:36.455 but they create a threat requires regulatory change that culminates ultimately 00:25:36.455 --> 00:25:46.095 in the Genius And the Genius Act enables for the first time really since we first had a record, 00:25:46.215 --> 00:25:49.675 well certainly since the IMFS came out of Bretton Woods, 00:25:49.995 --> 00:25:56.055 for the first time we have these privately issued currencies being. 00:25:57.890 --> 00:26:01.730 Distributed globally in the monetary system. 00:26:02.130 --> 00:26:10.270 Now, I cannot stress what a massive, massive change that is to our international 00:26:10.270 --> 00:26:12.970 monetary and financial system. That is enormous. 00:26:13.410 --> 00:26:18.670 If you're going to allow, you know, we supposedly have a quote unquote fiat 00:26:18.670 --> 00:26:24.910 monetary system, and now through the Genius Act, private companies, 00:26:25.210 --> 00:26:31.090 and there's an aspect of them circumvent in the US Constitution here to do this, 00:26:31.350 --> 00:26:36.050 because the US Constitution gives Congress the power to, and therefore, 00:26:36.790 --> 00:26:42.350 the people, supposedly, the power to oversee the issuance of money, but not now. 00:26:42.890 --> 00:26:47.070 Because they've said that they're not a national currency, therefore private 00:26:47.070 --> 00:26:52.210 companies like Tether have got the ability effectively to issue the dollar. 00:26:52.910 --> 00:26:58.890 They've been given that power. Now, that is huge. That is huge. 00:27:00.350 --> 00:27:04.050 But of course, as you say, they're working hand in glove with those regulators 00:27:04.050 --> 00:27:07.650 who are keeping them in control, who are now literally stewarding over them 00:27:07.650 --> 00:27:12.250 through the SEC and the Treasury and the various branches of the government 00:27:12.250 --> 00:27:14.670 are working hand in glove with these people. 00:27:14.670 --> 00:27:20.690 And we're getting closer and closer to the encirclement of this technocratic 00:27:20.690 --> 00:27:25.310 dark state around all of us, whether we know it or not. So let's break it down for people. 00:27:25.490 --> 00:27:31.690 What does the average day-to-day life of not a citizen, but a customer of this 00:27:31.690 --> 00:27:36.610 future GovCorp state actually look like for the average person? 00:27:37.730 --> 00:27:40.390 So firstly, you know, 00:27:41.389 --> 00:27:45.049 When Land wrote The Dark Enlightenment, one of the things that really stood 00:27:45.049 --> 00:27:49.369 out for me was he said that our, meaning us, normal, you know, 00:27:49.529 --> 00:27:53.529 the people, that our sovereignty would be treated with derision. 00:27:54.609 --> 00:28:04.909 So we have none. You would have none in the network state or under a sovereign corporation. 00:28:04.909 --> 00:28:09.409 You would agree a contract, a smart contract, to live there, 00:28:09.609 --> 00:28:11.649 to live in one of these sovereign states, 00:28:11.649 --> 00:28:17.969 and you would hand over all your individual sovereignty to the CEO, 00:28:18.169 --> 00:28:20.789 Techno King of the sovereign state. 00:28:20.789 --> 00:28:24.549 And you would agree to accept governance as a service. 00:28:25.529 --> 00:28:29.169 You would have to put all your assets and everything, 00:28:29.509 --> 00:28:36.829 your assets, even your rights, everything, into a smart contract structure that 00:28:36.829 --> 00:28:43.449 would be placed onto a unified ledger, which would be controlled by the founders of the sovereign state. 00:28:44.029 --> 00:28:51.309 And thereafter, anything that you were permitted or allowed to do would be controlled by AI. 00:28:51.649 --> 00:28:57.389 That would be done through the oversight of your digital rights and your digital assets. 00:28:58.009 --> 00:29:03.009 When they've set up, and everyone would, you know, you would need to use the 00:29:03.009 --> 00:29:07.549 sovereign currency that is issued by the sovereign corporation, 00:29:07.549 --> 00:29:09.249 which you agree to live in. 00:29:10.069 --> 00:29:15.609 And the whole idea of governance as a service, which is what they're talking 00:29:15.609 --> 00:29:22.789 about, is that if you didn't like it, you would be free to leave and go and live somewhere else, 00:29:23.569 --> 00:29:28.749 you know, and buy a governance service from somebody else, from another provider. 00:29:29.911 --> 00:29:35.851 But sure, because they've got no concept of humanity, well, I would strongly 00:29:35.851 --> 00:29:38.811 argue that they intensely dislike humanity. 00:29:39.071 --> 00:29:44.251 But because they've got no concept of the human condition, and they think that 00:29:44.251 --> 00:29:48.011 everybody has the means to just get up and leave where they live and go and 00:29:48.011 --> 00:29:52.471 live somewhere else, which for very many reasons, billions of us don't, 00:29:52.871 --> 00:29:57.111 be it we don't have the financial means to do it, or be it that we've got friends 00:29:57.111 --> 00:30:02.091 and families that we support and we don't want to leave, or be it that this 00:30:02.091 --> 00:30:04.371 is our home, we don't want to leave. 00:30:04.851 --> 00:30:11.051 Their only offer to us would be, if you don't like it, get out. 00:30:11.411 --> 00:30:15.731 That is it. That is the full extent of what they think about how they would 00:30:15.731 --> 00:30:18.511 control us. So we would be controlled. 00:30:19.011 --> 00:30:25.891 I mean, when one of the lawyers that was involved in rolling out this potential 00:30:25.891 --> 00:30:29.551 freedom city in Iceland called Praxis. 00:30:30.411 --> 00:30:35.771 He said that, won't it be great, all our assets will be online, 00:30:36.271 --> 00:30:41.551 everything will be controlled, will be policed by AI robots, 00:30:42.351 --> 00:30:48.051 will be policed by, and there'll be no, so hence there'll be no crime, 00:30:48.331 --> 00:30:51.651 because it'll be great, because if you step out of line, uh ai 00:30:51.651 --> 00:30:54.671 will immediately identify you and they'll 00:30:54.671 --> 00:30:57.871 send around the robots to uh to uh 00:30:57.871 --> 00:31:05.291 get you know to do whatever put you in prison to the extent that that land who 00:31:05.291 --> 00:31:11.671 is the kind of the kind of leading kind of thinker if you can say that um uh 00:31:11.671 --> 00:31:14.811 behind this kind of ideology that they've adopted, 00:31:16.131 --> 00:31:17.311 he said that, 00:31:18.651 --> 00:31:26.331 I've lost my train of thought he said that it escapes me now I won't, 00:31:27.769 --> 00:31:28.429 Moving on. 00:31:31.589 --> 00:31:36.029 Ian, befitting a book on the technocratic dark state, I mean, 00:31:36.109 --> 00:31:40.849 this is a dark subject with a dark vision for humanity as you lay out there. 00:31:41.269 --> 00:31:45.289 And obviously you go into so much more detail on all the different aspects of 00:31:45.289 --> 00:31:52.029 this in the book and the various characters behind these ideas and who are pushing these ideas, et cetera. 00:31:52.189 --> 00:31:55.629 Not just the well-known ones like the Teals and the Musks and the Ellisons, 00:31:55.829 --> 00:32:01.329 but the lesser-known ones like the Arvins and the almost unknown ones like the Nick Lanz and others. 00:32:01.929 --> 00:32:05.169 But there is quite a cast of characters here that you go through. 00:32:06.049 --> 00:32:08.989 But as I say, it is obviously a dark subject. 00:32:09.549 --> 00:32:13.669 Thankfully, you do not end the book on a dark note. So let's try to see if we 00:32:13.669 --> 00:32:17.629 can grasp something of a, well, I want to say light note here, 00:32:17.789 --> 00:32:19.629 but something along those lines. 00:32:20.489 --> 00:32:23.529 Towards the end of the book, you write, despite what we've been systematically 00:32:23.529 --> 00:32:29.869 indoctrinated to believe, International financial institutions do not control money. 00:32:30.489 --> 00:32:33.889 Oligarch investors do not control technological development. 00:32:34.249 --> 00:32:39.249 Governments do not control populations. Only deception, coercion, 00:32:39.249 --> 00:32:42.649 and the use of force keep us mired in these myths. 00:32:42.929 --> 00:32:49.029 We do not have to believe in any of these mythological control mechanisms. 00:32:49.369 --> 00:32:53.369 Ian Davis, what is the way out of this technocratic dark state? 00:32:54.506 --> 00:33:00.826 Well, very interesting, actually. I just attended a protest in the UK standing against digital ID. 00:33:01.186 --> 00:33:04.886 But the reason that I attended a protest, which is very unusual for me because 00:33:04.886 --> 00:33:08.346 I don't believe in protesting against something you can't change, 00:33:08.526 --> 00:33:13.126 namely the government, is that this wasn't about that. This was about non-compliance. 00:33:13.346 --> 00:33:19.866 This was about encouraging people not to comply with the rollout of things like digital ID. 00:33:20.546 --> 00:33:26.506 Digital ID is, if you like, the gateway into this system. 00:33:26.826 --> 00:33:31.026 Once we've adopted digital ID that could potentially be linked to programmable 00:33:31.026 --> 00:33:36.806 digital money, then that's when technocracy will start to have a massive controlling 00:33:36.806 --> 00:33:38.026 influence over our lives. 00:33:38.126 --> 00:33:40.166 And we simply don't have to use it. 00:33:40.386 --> 00:33:49.526 The infrastructure has already been erected around us, but it is of no value if we don't use it. 00:33:50.311 --> 00:33:54.611 So there are just very simple things that, I mean, it's perhaps been said ad 00:33:54.611 --> 00:33:56.131 nauseum, but it's true nonetheless. 00:33:56.411 --> 00:34:04.971 If we focus on using things like cash, if we keep our use of digital ID products 00:34:04.971 --> 00:34:08.371 like bank cards, like payment cards, 00:34:08.631 --> 00:34:12.191 like store cards to an absolute minimum, 00:34:12.191 --> 00:34:15.351 if we keep that to a minimum if we trade with 00:34:15.351 --> 00:34:18.411 each other if we if we you know 00:34:18.411 --> 00:34:21.271 put the brakes on or at least 00:34:21.271 --> 00:34:24.471 try to make things as awkward as possible for those 00:34:24.471 --> 00:34:27.591 that are demanding things like taxes from us 00:34:27.591 --> 00:34:31.031 i'm not advocating not paying tax because obviously that 00:34:31.031 --> 00:34:34.351 can get you in a lot of trouble illegally but that 00:34:34.351 --> 00:34:37.251 doesn't mean that we have to to jump through every hoop 00:34:37.251 --> 00:34:40.211 in order to pay it we can do things like 00:34:40.211 --> 00:34:43.011 say well do you have an alternative and try 00:34:43.011 --> 00:34:46.091 and retard the roll out of these these things 00:34:46.091 --> 00:34:49.651 as much as possible if we do that hopefully 00:34:49.651 --> 00:34:54.351 that will give us some time to look at things like lawful and legal challenges 00:34:54.351 --> 00:35:01.711 constitutional challenges that will that will certainly show people or certainly 00:35:01.711 --> 00:35:06.771 show them that we're not going to adopt these these systems and that is essential. 00:35:07.571 --> 00:35:11.931 There's the old 3% thing, about 3% of the population can change everything. 00:35:13.060 --> 00:35:19.500 If enough of us do that, then we can start building better parallel systems 00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:28.020 that we can use that are not going to involve us subjecting ourselves to total 00:35:28.020 --> 00:35:30.540 technological control. 00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:33.940 Because that's what they're trying to foist upon us. 00:35:34.600 --> 00:35:40.220 So, you know, and another important thing that I stress throughout the book is none of this is new. 00:35:40.540 --> 00:35:47.340 This is not new. The only aspect of this that is new is the technological capability 00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:48.940 that they now have at hand. 00:35:49.200 --> 00:35:52.260 Other than that, you know, for example, 00:35:52.460 --> 00:35:58.500 Land talks about this concept of hyper-racism, which is just eugenics. 00:35:58.780 --> 00:36:00.640 It's just eugenics. 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:10.240 The basic concept of the sovereign state is one tiny class ruling everybody 00:36:10.240 --> 00:36:12.500 else. And that's just oligarchy. 00:36:12.740 --> 00:36:20.080 That is thousands of years old. So this is nothing new. They're just reinventing the wheel. 00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:24.580 But unfortunately, and this is why it's so important, this is why it's pressing, 00:36:25.180 --> 00:36:32.800 they do now have the technological ability to do things that they have hitherto only dreamed possible. 00:36:33.500 --> 00:36:39.100 So, you know, that's the problem, the acute problem that we've got now. 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:44.920 But if we don't adopt that technology or if we, you know, and we already have adopted most of it. 00:36:45.060 --> 00:36:49.440 Most of us have already adopted the things that could be used to control us, 00:36:49.580 --> 00:36:54.240 our fondle slabs, as you are very wisely and fond of saying. Yeah. 00:36:55.433 --> 00:36:58.273 We don't have to use them we can there's nothing 00:36:58.273 --> 00:37:00.953 to stop we don't just because we've got them now doesn't mean 00:37:00.953 --> 00:37:03.873 that we are i used to have a smartphone i don't 00:37:03.873 --> 00:37:07.533 have a smartphone anymore it's that simple you know 00:37:07.533 --> 00:37:12.353 so so we if we if we reject this stuff they can't control us with it because 00:37:12.353 --> 00:37:18.253 it they won't they won't have access to us isn't it we can't comply our way 00:37:18.253 --> 00:37:21.393 out of this because we know that the path of least resistance and the one that 00:37:21.393 --> 00:37:25.713 will be set before us is the one that leads us to directly into the moths of 00:37:25.713 --> 00:37:27.173 this technocratic dark state. 00:37:27.373 --> 00:37:31.453 So we have to go the other way and that will involve non-compliance. 00:37:31.753 --> 00:37:35.153 And you end, I think, quite appropriately with a quotation from Etienne de la Boite. 00:37:35.353 --> 00:37:39.753 So I will let people delve into that at their own leisure. I hope that they 00:37:39.753 --> 00:37:42.233 do get this book. It is a lengthy volume. 00:37:42.433 --> 00:37:46.513 There's a lot of detail in here that we can only begin to scratch the surface 00:37:46.513 --> 00:37:48.033 of in a conversation like this. 00:37:48.393 --> 00:37:51.993 But Ian Davis, what would you like people to take away from this book? 00:37:53.291 --> 00:37:59.591 I refer to these people in the book as neo-nerds because, you know, 00:37:59.731 --> 00:38:02.671 they refer to themselves as techno-kings. 00:38:02.851 --> 00:38:06.551 They refer to themselves as CEOs of sovereign corporations. 00:38:06.751 --> 00:38:14.011 This is all self-aggrandizing, power-grabbing, and it is an illusion. 00:38:15.411 --> 00:38:19.771 They're just human beings, just like the rest of us. They've got a plan that 00:38:19.771 --> 00:38:21.131 they want to subject us to. 00:38:22.391 --> 00:38:26.391 Once we are aware of that plan, which is the point of the book, 00:38:26.551 --> 00:38:31.551 once we can see it and once we understand it, their power is gone because then 00:38:31.551 --> 00:38:34.971 we can do what we need to do in order to reject their system. 00:38:34.971 --> 00:38:41.691 And if we reject their system, there is very little, other than just brute force, 00:38:42.111 --> 00:38:46.931 there is very little that they can do about it. They're not all powerful. They're not all seeing. 00:38:47.331 --> 00:38:51.791 They're a very small group. They're one class of people. And there are billions of us. 00:38:51.971 --> 00:38:55.311 And I have now remembered that land quote. 00:38:55.471 --> 00:39:02.991 And this is quite salient. And what he said was that if we were going to not 00:39:02.991 --> 00:39:07.691 exit, if we tried to oppose their diktats, 00:39:08.131 --> 00:39:12.911 then all that would demonstrate is our semi-criminal proclivities. 00:39:13.911 --> 00:39:21.111 So he believes, and the neo-reactionaries believe, that they have the right 00:39:21.111 --> 00:39:25.451 to rule us, and anyone that objects to their rule is a criminal. 00:39:26.771 --> 00:39:31.851 These are not the kind of people that we should ever allow to have significant 00:39:31.851 --> 00:39:36.131 influence over our lives And we don't have to, that's the point. 00:39:37.835 --> 00:39:41.335 Well said. Yes, yes, Elon might call himself the Dogefather, 00:39:41.495 --> 00:39:44.055 but we know what he really is, him and his ilk. 00:39:44.355 --> 00:39:47.795 So yes, calling things by the right name. Let's call them for the neo-nerds 00:39:47.795 --> 00:39:50.275 they are and laugh them into the dustbin of history. 00:39:50.755 --> 00:39:54.335 I hope people will pick up a copy of this book. I think there's a lot in here 00:39:54.335 --> 00:39:56.315 that is worthy of study and note. 00:39:56.595 --> 00:40:01.495 It is The Technocratic Dark State and it is at the technocraticdarkstate.com. 00:40:01.635 --> 00:40:04.775 That link will, of course, be in the show notes for this if people need it. 00:40:05.135 --> 00:40:10.815 But finally, Ian, I'd note that you are being published here by Papercut Publishing 00:40:10.815 --> 00:40:12.575 House. Tell us about that. 00:40:13.475 --> 00:40:18.835 Yeah, no, Papercut Publishing, that's Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin's new publishing house. 00:40:19.635 --> 00:40:23.215 I'm honored to have been the first book that they're publishing. 00:40:23.695 --> 00:40:28.075 They're also planning to roll out Papercut Magazine, which, 00:40:28.235 --> 00:40:31.055 and I applaud that as well because obviously everything we're 00:40:31.055 --> 00:40:34.895 talking about is digital control and they 00:40:34.895 --> 00:40:37.915 are very wisely moving into physical media 00:40:37.915 --> 00:40:43.915 and I fully support that and they've got a lot of very exciting projects underway 00:40:43.915 --> 00:40:50.355 so please check out Papercut Publishing and of course Unlimited Hangout as well 00:40:50.355 --> 00:40:56.995 where there's a lot more information about Papercut there and you know they've got, 00:40:57.635 --> 00:41:02.195 I couldn't support their intentions more. 00:41:02.455 --> 00:41:08.735 We need to distribute physical media because in the short term, 00:41:09.035 --> 00:41:13.435 the likelihood is that many of the digital channels that we've currently got 00:41:13.435 --> 00:41:15.935 open to us will be shut down. 00:41:16.735 --> 00:41:22.515 But then, obviously, we'll adapt and we'll create new ones. But physical media 00:41:22.515 --> 00:41:24.435 is going to be increasingly important, I believe. 00:41:25.898 --> 00:41:29.378 I definitely think that that is the way that things are going. 00:41:29.538 --> 00:41:33.618 So I'm glad to see this is a real deal physical book that will be available 00:41:33.618 --> 00:41:39.058 in the real world offline so that people can actually do reading at any time. 00:41:39.238 --> 00:41:43.418 Anyway, let's leave it there for today. Ian Davis, thetechnocraticdarkstate.com. 00:41:43.478 --> 00:41:45.058 Thank you very much for your time today. 00:41:45.878 --> 00:41:47.558 Thank you very much, James. It's my pleasure.