WEBVTT 00:00:00.017 --> 00:00:05.557 So we have the Nuremberg Code, which lays out the principle of fully informed consent. 00:00:05.817 --> 00:00:10.497 So when you've got a vaccine that's coming out, I mean, it's okay, 00:00:10.717 --> 00:00:15.317 I guess, for a government to believe that a particular vaccine is a really good idea. 00:00:15.537 --> 00:00:21.917 But that can't be an excuse for violating informed consent by manipulating people. 00:00:24.957 --> 00:00:27.317 You're listening to The Corbett Report. 00:00:30.394 --> 00:00:33.154 Welcome back, friends. Welcome back to The Corbett Report. I'm James Corbett 00:00:33.154 --> 00:00:36.554 of CorbettReport.com, coming to you in a conversation that is being recorded 00:00:36.554 --> 00:00:43.634 in November of 2025 on a topic that I know will be interesting to The Corbett Report audience, 00:00:43.854 --> 00:00:49.674 namely the public manipulation that has been enabled by government behavioral science units. 00:00:49.674 --> 00:00:54.414 And my well-informed audience will know something about SPY-B, 00:00:54.854 --> 00:01:01.714 the UK version of the perceptual public manipulation unit that the UK government 00:01:01.714 --> 00:01:06.374 employed during the scandemic to try to manipulate the public with fear. 00:01:07.054 --> 00:01:12.594 Well, guess what? Yes, you know all about SPY-B, but do you know about the Canadian 00:01:12.594 --> 00:01:19.134 equivalent of that unit and what it was doing during the aforesaid scandemic? Maybe not. 00:01:19.254 --> 00:01:22.374 But if you don't, well, I have a document for you. 00:01:22.454 --> 00:01:27.394 It is called Manufacturing Consent, Government Behavioral Engineering of Canadians. 00:01:27.754 --> 00:01:31.734 It is a fascinating and relatively short 24-page read. 00:01:31.994 --> 00:01:36.014 So I will commend it to your attention. The link to that will be in the show 00:01:36.014 --> 00:01:42.014 notes as well as the link to the organization which published this little pamphlet. 00:01:42.194 --> 00:01:46.774 It is the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom, jccf.ca, 00:01:47.014 --> 00:01:53.114 which again, my viewers will be familiar with because you will remember interview, which was it? 00:01:53.374 --> 00:01:58.774 The Solutions Watch interview that I did with JCCF President John Carpe narrowly 00:01:58.774 --> 00:02:02.854 five years ago, back in February of 2021, when we were talking about the Canadian 00:02:02.854 --> 00:02:05.254 government delaying mandatory traveler quarantine. 00:02:05.894 --> 00:02:09.974 Well, here we are nearly five years later, and we're still talking about the 00:02:09.974 --> 00:02:13.374 ways that the Canadian government was trying to manipulate the Canadian public. 00:02:13.634 --> 00:02:17.334 So let's dive right into this conversation. John Carpe, thank you very much 00:02:17.334 --> 00:02:18.714 for taking the time to talk with us today. 00:02:20.006 --> 00:02:22.326 I'm glad to be with you and with your viewers and listeners. 00:02:23.066 --> 00:02:25.426 All right, let's dive right into this. 00:02:25.666 --> 00:02:29.106 So tell us a little bit about manufacturing consent, government, 00:02:29.346 --> 00:02:31.386 behavioral engineering of Canadians, 00:02:31.646 --> 00:02:38.826 and specifically the IIU, the Impact and Innovation Unit, which I doubt one 00:02:38.826 --> 00:02:41.146 in a thousand Canadians will have even heard of. 00:02:42.484 --> 00:02:47.224 The Impact and Innovation Unit is part of the Privy Council Office, 00:02:47.604 --> 00:02:52.144 which is the bureaucracy equivalent of the prime minister. 00:02:52.344 --> 00:02:55.684 So we've got the prime minister's office, prime minister elected to run the 00:02:55.684 --> 00:02:59.684 country, and then we have the Privy Council Office, which is the bureaucratic 00:02:59.684 --> 00:03:05.064 side of this massive Canadian federal bureaucracy employing hundreds of thousands of people. 00:03:05.064 --> 00:03:11.184 And so within the Privy Council office, we have this impact and innovation unit, 00:03:11.184 --> 00:03:14.344 which are behavioral psychologists, 00:03:14.804 --> 00:03:21.684 which before the vaccine was even available to the public, before the testing 00:03:21.684 --> 00:03:27.364 was concluded, and of course, clinical testing continued right on through to 2023, as you know. 00:03:27.364 --> 00:03:34.504 But before the public even had voluntary access to the new COVID vaccine, 00:03:34.824 --> 00:03:38.384 the Impact and Innovation Unit had already crafted the message. 00:03:39.044 --> 00:03:41.384 Safe and effective, so get vaccinated. 00:03:41.384 --> 00:03:47.984 And this message did not change when many reports emerged about people dying 00:03:47.984 --> 00:03:50.104 shortly after receiving the vaccine, 00:03:50.644 --> 00:03:59.884 children dropping dead of a heart attack, top athletes in fantastic health being 00:03:59.884 --> 00:04:04.264 found dead in their beds in the morning, all this stuff. 00:04:04.264 --> 00:04:09.324 The impact and innovation unit was crafting messages, testing different messages 00:04:09.324 --> 00:04:14.504 to see what is the best way to get Canadians to relax and continue to roll up 00:04:14.504 --> 00:04:16.144 their sleeves and get injected. 00:04:17.044 --> 00:04:23.104 There is no balance here, nothing about informed consent. It was all about manipulating 00:04:23.104 --> 00:04:25.864 people into getting the jab. 00:04:27.172 --> 00:04:31.912 Let's talk about how they did that. And specifically, this report cites the 00:04:31.912 --> 00:04:37.752 fact that the IIU was modeled after the United Kingdom's so-called nudge unit. 00:04:37.752 --> 00:04:42.572 And I did allude to that in the intro there, the spy bee that I've talked about before. 00:04:42.572 --> 00:04:46.232 For example, we had a report from The Telegraph back in 2021, 00:04:46.452 --> 00:04:50.452 use of fear to control behavior in COVID crisis was totalitarian, 00:04:50.852 --> 00:04:55.912 admit scientists, talking about the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, 00:04:56.132 --> 00:05:02.712 SAGE, and specifically their SPY-B unit, which I'm not going to find what that acronym stands. 00:05:02.712 --> 00:05:05.892 Oh, Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behavior. 00:05:06.612 --> 00:05:11.692 So tell us about this nudge unit, what this concept of nudge is about, 00:05:11.692 --> 00:05:13.272 and why and how governments around 00:05:13.272 --> 00:05:16.272 the world are starting to employ it to manipulate their own citizens. 00:05:18.472 --> 00:05:21.932 There's a big problem there in not having informed consent. 00:05:22.132 --> 00:05:24.772 I mean, we can, you and I and everybody else, we could choose, 00:05:24.992 --> 00:05:29.172 we can get invited to participate in an experiment and get told about it, 00:05:29.192 --> 00:05:32.052 and we might sign up for it. Maybe it's fun. Maybe it's interesting. 00:05:33.352 --> 00:05:40.212 But this is quite different when you're using tax dollars not to provide information to people. 00:05:40.692 --> 00:05:45.452 And frankly, within this age of the internet, when there are so many different 00:05:45.452 --> 00:05:49.792 sources of information that are freely available, I don't know what the big 00:05:49.792 --> 00:05:53.292 need would be for any government to advertise, to provide information, 00:05:53.492 --> 00:05:55.292 but, but maybe there's some, 00:05:56.212 --> 00:06:00.572 there's a real need for it in some situations, but this is not providing citizens 00:06:00.572 --> 00:06:03.532 with information, which could be, 00:06:04.405 --> 00:06:07.505 valid use of tax dollars this is to manipulate 00:06:07.505 --> 00:06:10.225 citizens and get them to 00:06:10.225 --> 00:06:14.985 change their attitudes and their beliefs and their behaviors which would be 00:06:14.985 --> 00:06:19.185 okay in a democracy if a political party did that okay if the conservatives 00:06:19.185 --> 00:06:23.885 and the liberals and the NDP and they I'm sure they they are spending party 00:06:23.885 --> 00:06:29.745 funds on what is the best way to sell our message to Canadians and how can we you know, 00:06:29.925 --> 00:06:32.885 get people to agree with us and vote for us. Okay, fine. 00:06:33.925 --> 00:06:36.585 But this is part of the government. This is the 00:06:36.585 --> 00:06:42.805 impact and innovation unit that is using tax dollars to manipulate people to 00:06:42.805 --> 00:06:50.545 have a pro COVID vaccine attitude and to roll up their sleeves and to not be 00:06:50.545 --> 00:06:56.225 upset about the blatant violation of their charter rights and freedoms, 00:06:56.225 --> 00:06:59.945 like your basic mobility rights, It's your freedom to move and travel, 00:07:00.205 --> 00:07:04.145 freedoms of conscience, religion, expression, association, peaceful assembly. 00:07:04.685 --> 00:07:09.685 So that's very creepy. That is totalitarian where the government is using tax 00:07:09.685 --> 00:07:19.445 dollars to manipulate citizens and get them to have certain attitudes as opposed to in a democracy. 00:07:20.165 --> 00:07:22.945 Yes political parties will do that but but you 00:07:22.945 --> 00:07:27.705 don't have the government is neutral and is not manipulating citizens in a certain 00:07:27.705 --> 00:07:32.425 direction you would certainly hope not but unfortunately it seems that they 00:07:32.425 --> 00:07:37.345 are so let's talk specifically what did this unit do what kinds of experiments 00:07:37.345 --> 00:07:40.945 and things was it performing on the canadian public without their informed consent. 00:07:43.115 --> 00:07:48.235 Well, there was one of the experiments that was done, and I can't tell you the, 00:07:48.355 --> 00:07:53.035 I don't know the degree of consent or lack of consent, whether it was a focus 00:07:53.035 --> 00:07:55.375 group where they told people, 00:07:55.515 --> 00:07:58.215 you know, we're going to pay you $20 an hour to take part in this, 00:07:58.315 --> 00:08:00.455 or if it was just, you know, on the internet. 00:08:00.455 --> 00:08:07.535 But the participants in one of the tests were shown fictional news stories about 00:08:07.535 --> 00:08:09.895 someone dying after vaccination. 00:08:10.235 --> 00:08:20.495 And so they tested different framing responses to see which ones generated the 00:08:20.495 --> 00:08:26.955 most relaxation or the people being less uptight after having been shown a news 00:08:26.955 --> 00:08:28.835 story about somebody died after vaccination. 00:08:28.835 --> 00:08:34.835 What is the best way to get people to relax and chill and still be willing to 00:08:34.835 --> 00:08:36.535 roll up their sleeves and get their own injection. 00:08:36.815 --> 00:08:46.175 So that's one example. They decided that combining multiple messages was the most effective. 00:08:46.175 --> 00:08:51.995 So this experiment resulted in a conclusion that they should run all kinds of 00:08:51.995 --> 00:08:59.335 different ads for maximum effect to get people to relax about deaths after vaccination. 00:08:59.915 --> 00:09:02.215 And did they call that the kitchen sink approach? 00:09:03.740 --> 00:09:09.740 Yes. Yeah. Kitchen Sink message frame. Yeah, exactly. So interesting. 00:09:10.340 --> 00:09:15.820 Well, the report does list a number of things that the IIU was drawing on for 00:09:15.820 --> 00:09:17.180 its primary data sources. 00:09:17.380 --> 00:09:21.800 For example, the WHO's COVID-19 snapshot monitoring study, Cosmo, 00:09:21.980 --> 00:09:26.720 rapid online studies and experiments and partnerships with essential service providers. 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:32.020 Providers, for example, the Sobeys grocery chain, in which it notes that through 00:09:32.020 --> 00:09:36.120 these partnerships, researchers tested ways to encourage healthy behaviors like 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:39.140 physical distancing and masking in real world settings. 00:09:39.400 --> 00:09:43.740 And as the report notes, the problem is that the government took policy approaches 00:09:43.740 --> 00:09:51.400 despite having no actual evidence of their efficacy, which seems to be a pretty 00:09:51.400 --> 00:09:54.200 major glaring problem with this entire approach, 00:09:54.220 --> 00:09:56.420 because as the report notes time and And again, 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:00.280 at the time that they were putting out their messaging and figuring out the 00:10:00.280 --> 00:10:05.980 best way to encourage citizens to take as many booster shots as they possibly could, they, of course, 00:10:06.180 --> 00:10:11.280 did not have the data on the safety or efficacy of these so-called vaccines. 00:10:13.678 --> 00:10:16.558 Well, this is radically different from, for example, 00:10:16.678 --> 00:10:26.558 you may have seen posters in a washroom, in a pub or a bar, and it's discouraging 00:10:26.558 --> 00:10:28.978 alcohol consumption during pregnancy. 00:10:28.978 --> 00:10:32.518 Or you might see these in subways or buses. 00:10:32.998 --> 00:10:36.578 There's a poster, you know, don't drink when you're pregnant. 00:10:36.578 --> 00:10:45.318 I mean, there is such abundant evidence to show that excessive alcohol usage 00:10:45.318 --> 00:10:52.618 can damage the unborn child and you have kids born with fetal alcohol syndrome that has a horrific, 00:10:52.778 --> 00:10:54.598 terrible impact on them for the rest of their lives. 00:10:54.598 --> 00:11:02.858 So when I see a poster in a bar, you know, don't drink when you're pregnant, I mean, 00:11:03.738 --> 00:11:09.898 you know, as a libertarian, I tend to be against all government advertising. 00:11:09.898 --> 00:11:13.258 But, you know, here I don't mind making an exception because you've got something 00:11:13.258 --> 00:11:18.678 where there's a very clear harm and this is researched. And I don't think anybody disputes that. 00:11:19.845 --> 00:11:26.145 Alcohol during pregnancy is going to damage the baby. But with this COVID vaccine, I mean. 00:11:27.845 --> 00:11:33.305 We knew six months after it was out that it certainly was not effective in preventing 00:11:33.305 --> 00:11:37.945 COVID disease or preventing death by COVID. It certainly didn't stop transmission. 00:11:39.245 --> 00:11:43.865 The vaccine was made mandatory in September, October 2021. 00:11:45.105 --> 00:11:49.825 By Christmas 2021, more than 80% of Canadians had taken it. 00:11:49.845 --> 00:11:55.845 And all over the world, countries with super high vaccination rates like Gibraltar, 00:11:56.085 --> 00:12:01.945 like Israel, in Gibraltar, they told people Christmas 2021, do not gather together 00:12:01.945 --> 00:12:04.665 at Christmas because COVID is spreading everywhere. 00:12:04.905 --> 00:12:11.825 And this is in a territory where there's a 99%, 97% vaccination rate, 00:12:11.825 --> 00:12:18.905 and the government's saying don't connect with other people over Christmas because COVID is spreading. 00:12:18.905 --> 00:12:22.565 So it's decidedly ineffective uh 00:12:22.565 --> 00:12:26.125 and then the safety thing i mean we'll be 00:12:26.125 --> 00:12:29.225 debating that for a long time in a different justice center support 00:12:29.225 --> 00:12:32.805 report we go through the very 00:12:32.805 --> 00:12:38.885 different standards used to to uh declare a covet death which is if you had 00:12:38.885 --> 00:12:45.285 any symptom uh flu-like symptom and pcr test found covet in your body even if 00:12:45.285 --> 00:12:48.625 you were terminally with cancer if they did a pcr test and there's COVID in 00:12:48.625 --> 00:12:49.765 your body, you're a COVID death. 00:12:49.945 --> 00:12:53.545 So very, very low bars. You get very, very high numbers of COVID deaths. 00:12:53.725 --> 00:12:55.405 For the vaccine, it's the opposite. 00:12:55.765 --> 00:12:58.305 You have to prove beyond a reasonable 00:12:58.305 --> 00:13:03.585 doubt that there could be no other explanation for it, only then. 00:13:03.685 --> 00:13:08.525 So you get very low numbers of vaccine deaths, very high numbers of COVID deaths. 00:13:10.447 --> 00:13:18.847 As disturbing as this particular instance of the IIU and its efforts here are, 00:13:19.007 --> 00:13:23.827 I think it provides an even more disturbing insight into the window of the psychology 00:13:23.827 --> 00:13:25.987 of the people who presume to 00:13:25.987 --> 00:13:30.187 rule over the Canadian public and people in positions of power generally. 00:13:31.067 --> 00:13:37.187 And some inclination, some indication of that comes from, for example, 00:13:37.287 --> 00:13:41.627 where this concept is coming from and the idea of a nudge unit. What is nudge? 00:13:41.727 --> 00:13:45.347 It is a reference to a 2008 book that was co-authored by Richard H. 00:13:45.607 --> 00:13:49.827 Thaler and Cass Sunstein, a name that should be familiar to people in my audience. 00:13:50.067 --> 00:13:54.047 And as you note in the report, the nudge paradigm, as articulated by Thaler 00:13:54.047 --> 00:13:59.507 and Sunstein, assumes that individuals are not fully rational and require guidance 00:13:59.507 --> 00:14:01.267 from choice architects. 00:14:01.627 --> 00:14:04.547 And yes, that is a phrase that they employ, choice architects, 00:14:04.747 --> 00:14:10.427 because the idea is you don't give people the choice and the freedom to do what they want. 00:14:10.527 --> 00:14:15.747 No, you give them a few carefully selected and curated choices and you let them choose from that. 00:14:15.867 --> 00:14:20.167 And they feel like they're choosing their own destiny in such a way. 00:14:20.587 --> 00:14:26.227 Tell us about what this shows us about the psychology of the people in these 00:14:26.227 --> 00:14:31.167 positions of power who are not trusting the public to be rational actors. 00:14:32.907 --> 00:14:37.547 What's a lack of respect for basic human rights? If I respect you, 00:14:37.947 --> 00:14:43.307 part of that respect is that I allow you to make decisions about your life and 00:14:43.307 --> 00:14:46.927 I don't coerce you one way or the other. I don't manipulate you. 00:14:47.647 --> 00:14:54.067 I would be sympathetic to the idea that many people, perhaps most people, 00:14:54.387 --> 00:14:57.847 are sometimes not rational, but I 00:14:57.847 --> 00:15:00.727 think that's no excuse to manipulate them and 00:15:00.727 --> 00:15:03.507 to use their tax dollars to coerce them and treat them kind of like 00:15:03.507 --> 00:15:07.267 farm animals you know we don't feel guilty about what do 00:15:07.267 --> 00:15:10.227 we do with the farm animals i mean we we castrate them 00:15:10.227 --> 00:15:13.707 uh if we do allow them to reproduce we 00:15:13.707 --> 00:15:19.187 determine which ones and with whom and what times we feed them we inoculate 00:15:19.187 --> 00:15:23.667 them we sort of look after them uh to keep them healthy but ultimately it's 00:15:23.667 --> 00:15:29.227 for our interest because we want to eat them and you know we're we're most people 00:15:29.227 --> 00:15:30.987 are okay with this that's how you treat animals, 00:15:31.227 --> 00:15:33.367 but you don't treat human beings that way. 00:15:33.547 --> 00:15:39.807 Even if many or most people are sometimes irrational or irrational most of the 00:15:39.807 --> 00:15:45.307 time, you still respect people's rights to run their lives, to make individual choices. 00:15:45.487 --> 00:15:49.587 Hence, you have the principles set out in the Nuremberg Code after the Second 00:15:49.587 --> 00:15:55.407 World War, when Nazi doctors were tried and convicted, in some cases executed. 00:15:55.787 --> 00:15:59.227 Over conducting medical experiments on patients without their informed consent. 00:15:59.227 --> 00:16:04.627 So we have the Nuremberg Code, which lays out the principle of fully informed consent. 00:16:04.927 --> 00:16:08.147 So when you've got a vaccine that's coming out, I mean, 00:16:08.387 --> 00:16:13.327 it's okay, I guess, for a government to believe that a particular vaccine is 00:16:13.327 --> 00:16:19.247 a really good idea, but that can't be an excuse for violating informed consent 00:16:19.247 --> 00:16:20.967 by manipulating people. 00:16:23.140 --> 00:16:26.520 You know, that's you raise an interesting point, because to me, 00:16:26.620 --> 00:16:30.520 it does suggest that the mindset of at least some people in positions of power 00:16:30.520 --> 00:16:35.000 is that they are ranchers on the neo feudal plantation and the tax cattle are 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:37.400 there to be manipulated as they see fit. 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.260 And that is the fundamental underlying part of this that I find so so creepy. 00:16:41.260 --> 00:16:45.860 And the funny thing is, in a way, even if your ultimate goal is to get people 00:16:45.860 --> 00:16:49.160 to obey the government, it backfires even on that level. 00:16:49.280 --> 00:16:54.320 Because as this report concludes, the government's reliance on behavioral science 00:16:54.320 --> 00:17:01.160 to overcome this skepticism of various COVID mandates, rather than addressing 00:17:01.160 --> 00:17:02.720 it through transparent dialogue, 00:17:03.140 --> 00:17:05.360 further erodes trust in institutions. 00:17:05.360 --> 00:17:10.920 So, yes, once the public realizes, oh, this was a psychological operation and 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:17.160 they were employing these experiments to try to manipulate and better manipulate the public, 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:21.200 doesn't that exactly undermine what they're attempting to do here? 00:17:21.340 --> 00:17:25.960 Because now fewer people will listen to the government in the event of the next emergency. 00:17:27.830 --> 00:17:32.350 Which, in my view, is just as well, because there's going to be more waves, 00:17:32.370 --> 00:17:38.170 I predict, of assaults against our fundamental human rights and our charter freedoms. 00:17:40.350 --> 00:17:46.310 I suspect they're going to come under the guise of saving us all from the climate 00:17:46.310 --> 00:17:53.310 holocaust, which is being caused by us because mankind controls the weather and so on and so forth. 00:17:53.310 --> 00:17:57.830 And the Impacted Innovation Unit, like the rest of the federal bureaucracy, 00:17:58.150 --> 00:18:03.670 they are firm believers in the idea that people control the climate. 00:18:04.190 --> 00:18:11.390 And so we have to give up our charter rights and freedoms and give up our prosperity 00:18:11.390 --> 00:18:13.910 so that we don't all burn to a crisp. 00:18:14.390 --> 00:18:20.230 So I hope that this report will illuminate things. 00:18:20.230 --> 00:18:26.710 We're looking at taking further steps as to how to get more parliamentary oversight, 00:18:26.710 --> 00:18:30.390 and we haven't gotten there yet. 00:18:30.750 --> 00:18:33.350 But this is important in the days 00:18:33.350 --> 00:18:39.490 ahead because they talk on their website about how they were spending. 00:18:39.490 --> 00:18:47.050 It was projects worth over $725 million that the Impact and Innovation Unit was involved with. 00:18:47.290 --> 00:18:54.190 So these are our tax dollars. So we're going to watch them closely and see what they try in the future. 00:18:55.972 --> 00:19:00.372 You know, I hate to think about it, but I fear that you are correct that all 00:19:00.372 --> 00:19:04.072 of the insights that were gained in this experimentation on the Canadian public 00:19:04.072 --> 00:19:09.372 will be put into the next great Skype hype and scam, 00:19:09.592 --> 00:19:13.232 which will probably be something along the lines of climate change is causing health issues. 00:19:13.452 --> 00:19:15.872 I think they're going to try to push that and make it a health, 00:19:16.052 --> 00:19:21.532 because, again, that puts it under the same rubric as the COVID emergency did. 00:19:21.732 --> 00:19:26.412 And the biosecurity state is already, well, being erected. So unfortunately, 00:19:26.412 --> 00:19:30.372 they have lots of ways of dealing with the public and attempting to manipulate 00:19:30.372 --> 00:19:31.952 their perceptions and opinions. 00:19:32.372 --> 00:19:38.932 So I guess this leaves us with the question of what can the average Canadian do about this? 00:19:39.092 --> 00:19:42.352 Is there anything that the Canadian government, the Canadian public can do to 00:19:42.352 --> 00:19:46.392 actually get some sort of accountability for these actions from the Canadian government? 00:19:49.091 --> 00:19:54.791 Certainly people should be in contact with their own member of parliament, 00:19:54.791 --> 00:19:59.891 whether that person is a liberal, conservative, NDP, Green Bloc, whatever. 00:20:00.391 --> 00:20:06.151 I think it's so important for people to support independent media like the Corbett 00:20:06.151 --> 00:20:12.931 Report, like the Rebel, Juno News, True North, Epoch Times, Western Standard, on and on and on and on. 00:20:12.931 --> 00:20:19.671 And, you know, the Justice Centre got boycotted by the government funded media. 00:20:19.671 --> 00:20:27.031 So that is not just the CBC, but also the other global CTV, all the media that 00:20:27.031 --> 00:20:31.151 got government funding totally boycotted the Justice Centre because we were 00:20:31.151 --> 00:20:33.831 asking tough questions about lockdowns. 00:20:33.951 --> 00:20:39.871 And, you know, are there actual benefits and is it doing more harm than good? 00:20:40.491 --> 00:20:43.531 And you're not supposed to ask those questions, but we did. 00:20:43.751 --> 00:20:48.091 And when we didn't get satisfactory answers, we called for an end to lockdowns. 00:20:48.171 --> 00:20:50.911 We were the only civil liberties group in Canada to do so. 00:20:51.271 --> 00:20:54.791 And for years, it got completely boycotted. 00:20:55.231 --> 00:20:59.711 The Justice Centre was not mentioned on any government-funded media, 00:20:59.991 --> 00:21:01.951 not radio, not television, nothing. 00:21:02.411 --> 00:21:06.131 And yet we tripled in size from 2019 to 2021. 00:21:06.771 --> 00:21:11.391 Over the two-year period, we tripled in size. Why? Because of independent media. 00:21:11.671 --> 00:21:18.831 So I would say to anybody, spend $50 a month or $20 a month or $10 a month and 00:21:18.831 --> 00:21:25.071 support the independent media because that is so precious. It is so important. 00:21:25.231 --> 00:21:29.851 It is so valuable to getting the truth out, or even if it's not the truth, 00:21:30.011 --> 00:21:35.031 but it's your best stab at an alternative opinion that might prove to be not 00:21:35.031 --> 00:21:37.911 true in the future, but just to have that debate, 00:21:38.091 --> 00:21:43.211 because you're not going to see any debate on the government-funded side of the equation. 00:21:44.269 --> 00:21:47.309 Well, again, considering that they're going to the lengths of creating fake 00:21:47.309 --> 00:21:50.229 news reports to test out, you know, messaging on the public, 00:21:50.369 --> 00:21:53.649 et cetera, you know that there is some level of collusion that is going on with 00:21:53.649 --> 00:21:56.889 the mainstream media that is being funded by the government. 00:21:57.049 --> 00:22:01.489 So, yes, at the very least, to have a voice that is not literally being funded 00:22:01.489 --> 00:22:04.849 by the very people who are trying to manipulate you might be a good thing. 00:22:05.089 --> 00:22:10.049 So I, of course, well, of course I would, but I do agree with that assessment. 00:22:10.049 --> 00:22:13.789 But also, of course, supporting organizations like the JCCF, 00:22:13.929 --> 00:22:20.849 as you say, part of this blackout boycott that the mainstream media has been pulling since, 00:22:21.129 --> 00:22:25.669 obviously, they do not want to question government narratives too much, 00:22:25.889 --> 00:22:27.409 don't want to bite the hand that feeds. 00:22:27.629 --> 00:22:31.069 So let's talk about the JCCF, the work that you do. I know you've been ringing 00:22:31.069 --> 00:22:34.689 the alarm bell on certain bills that are passing through Parliament at the moment 00:22:34.689 --> 00:22:38.349 that you have warned could lead to a Canadian police state by Christmas. 00:22:38.349 --> 00:22:40.049 Tell us about the work that you're doing right now. 00:22:41.758 --> 00:22:46.738 So the Justice Centre is a national registered charity. 00:22:47.078 --> 00:22:52.378 We have a team of 10 lawyers all across Canada. We have dozens of court challenges. 00:22:52.378 --> 00:22:58.238 We sue governments over violations of our charter freedoms of expression, 00:22:58.678 --> 00:23:01.318 religion, conscience, association, peaceful assembly. 00:23:02.138 --> 00:23:09.958 And we're funded entirely by voluntary donations. and currently we're encouraging 00:23:09.958 --> 00:23:14.078 Canadians to contact their MP to vote against Bill C-9, 00:23:14.158 --> 00:23:17.578 which is the Combating Hate Act. 00:23:18.418 --> 00:23:22.458 And if Bill C-9 passes, Canada will take a step to where it's becoming more 00:23:22.458 --> 00:23:28.278 like the United Kingdom, where every day more than 30 people are arrested over 00:23:28.278 --> 00:23:32.458 their tweets and their Facebook posts and their WhatsApp messages. 00:23:32.458 --> 00:23:36.598 Because 30 people a day arrested over what they say, 00:23:36.798 --> 00:23:40.598 plus how many more police warnings, 00:23:40.778 --> 00:23:45.818 police come and knock on your door and tell you that you better watch what you're 00:23:45.818 --> 00:23:49.398 saying because it's out of line and you could be arrested in the future if you 00:23:49.398 --> 00:23:51.978 don't change your speech. 00:23:52.558 --> 00:23:59.498 And so, yeah, this bill is going to a vote in the weeks ahead. 00:23:59.658 --> 00:24:03.858 And so urge your member of parliament to vote against Bill C-9, 00:24:04.238 --> 00:24:08.018 Combating Hate Act, which would make us more like the United Kingdom. 00:24:09.158 --> 00:24:13.538 Excellent. Well, maybe we'll have to have a completely dedicated follow-up conversation 00:24:13.538 --> 00:24:17.198 about that subject and some of the other threats to Canadian freedom that are 00:24:17.198 --> 00:24:18.198 on the table at the moment. 00:24:18.318 --> 00:24:22.198 But we'll leave it there for today. We'll direct people once again to jccf.ca 00:24:22.198 --> 00:24:26.798 where they can, for example, download this report on manufacturing consent, 00:24:27.178 --> 00:24:31.318 government behavioral engineering of Canadians and see all of the other work 00:24:31.318 --> 00:24:33.678 that you're doing there. Besides, I think we'll leave it there for today. 00:24:33.878 --> 00:24:35.918 John Carpe, thank you very much for your time today. 00:24:37.509 --> 00:24:43.109 Thanks for yours, James. Have a great rest of the day. 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