WEBVTT 00:00:00.837 --> 00:00:03.837 When you cover up a crime, you're aiding and betting that crime, 00:00:04.017 --> 00:00:10.737 and people have grudgingly come to the realization that our government is aiding 00:00:10.737 --> 00:00:13.837 and betting child trafficking, which it is, which it has. 00:00:16.557 --> 00:00:18.917 You're listening to The Corbett Report. 00:00:21.917 --> 00:00:24.957 Welcome back, friends. Welcome back to The Corbett Report. I'm James Corbett 00:00:24.957 --> 00:00:28.277 of CorbettReport.com, coming to you in July of 2025. 00:00:28.797 --> 00:00:34.457 Of course in the wake of the release of the new FBI DOJ memo on the Epstein 00:00:34.457 --> 00:00:38.597 case which you all know about by now because I've covered it in New World next 00:00:38.597 --> 00:00:43.237 week but in order to talk in more depth about this I thought why not get on 00:00:43.237 --> 00:00:48.117 the man who will have some interesting things to say about this you know him by now, 00:00:48.257 --> 00:00:52.137 it's Nick Bryant you will recognize him from our previous conversations but 00:00:52.137 --> 00:00:56.037 hopefully you will recognize him as the man who is not only the author of such 00:00:56.037 --> 00:01:01.937 books as The Franklin Scandal but was also the person who released the black 00:01:01.937 --> 00:01:03.977 book, Epstein's black book, in 2015. 00:01:04.357 --> 00:01:10.897 He is, of course, also at EpsteinJustice.com, where he is an activist raising 00:01:10.897 --> 00:01:17.277 awareness of the issues of child trafficking, of achieving justice for the victims of Epstein. 00:01:17.637 --> 00:01:22.557 So I hope you will acquaint yourself with his work and go to EpsteinJustice.com 00:01:22.557 --> 00:01:24.517 for more information about that work. 00:01:24.637 --> 00:01:27.317 But let's bring him on. Nick Bryant, thank you very much for joining us today. 00:01:27.997 --> 00:01:29.017 Good to be with you, James. 00:01:30.871 --> 00:01:35.111 Let's talk about some recent developments. I don't know if you've seen, 00:01:35.271 --> 00:01:38.771 but there's some interesting things going on in the Epstein case lately. 00:01:38.931 --> 00:01:42.991 Oh, I'm sure you have seen. So tell us your thoughts on this latest. 00:01:43.151 --> 00:01:47.771 I've heard about some things going on in the Epstein case, some minor things. 00:01:48.711 --> 00:01:55.711 Well, on Sunday night, instead of Monday morning, a memo was released by the 00:01:55.711 --> 00:01:58.131 Department of Justice and also by the FBI. 00:01:58.131 --> 00:02:05.191 But no one signed it. No one was willing to sign that memo, not the president, 00:02:05.371 --> 00:02:07.571 not the attorney general, not the FBI director. 00:02:08.131 --> 00:02:14.791 And that memo said essentially that Epstein killed himself and they provided 00:02:14.791 --> 00:02:16.471 footage that was kind of meaningless. 00:02:16.891 --> 00:02:21.931 And if the Department of Justice had had this footage when Epstein killed himself 00:02:21.931 --> 00:02:25.811 in 2019, I'm sure they would have used it because they took a tremendous amount 00:02:25.811 --> 00:02:29.271 of heat for allowing Epstein to hang himself. 00:02:29.451 --> 00:02:33.511 And I've been told by people that have been incarcerated at the Metropolitan 00:02:33.511 --> 00:02:38.111 Community Correctional Center that it would be almost impossible for someone 00:02:38.111 --> 00:02:40.411 to kill themselves, especially if they're on suicide watch. 00:02:40.551 --> 00:02:47.411 And then there was a minute edited out of the video. So you could slip into 00:02:47.411 --> 00:02:55.331 someone's cell in 30 seconds and I think, you know, eventually slip out and have a nice edit. 00:02:55.691 --> 00:03:03.971 And so that's problematic. But the most problematic part of that memo is that 00:03:03.971 --> 00:03:09.011 Jeffrey Epstein wasn't pandering girls to any of his big shot, 00:03:09.191 --> 00:03:10.831 powerful, affluent cronies. 00:03:11.011 --> 00:03:14.211 And also that he didn't engage in blackmail. 00:03:14.551 --> 00:03:22.931 The only honest thing in that memo is the only honest thing is that Jeffrey 00:03:22.931 --> 00:03:25.931 Epstein had more than a thousand victims. 00:03:25.931 --> 00:03:33.131 That that is the the sum total of veritas in that document. 00:03:36.211 --> 00:03:40.511 They yeah that is an important point because i believe back in 2019 they were 00:03:40.511 --> 00:03:45.251 talking about dozens of victims but yes in this memo they talk about 1 000 plus 00:03:45.251 --> 00:03:47.571 victims that is some sort of, 00:03:48.191 --> 00:03:52.451 progress i guess at least in talking about the scope of this case but obviously 00:03:52.451 --> 00:03:55.851 as you say it's in the service of sweeping it under the rug. 00:03:56.031 --> 00:03:59.471 And I'm sure you've seen by now, Dershowitz, for example, came out and said 00:03:59.471 --> 00:04:03.991 he knows that they have these documents that they are covering up in order to 00:04:03.991 --> 00:04:06.531 protect certain names. And he knows what the names are. 00:04:06.971 --> 00:04:09.071 Any thoughts on Dershowitz's pronouncements? 00:04:10.995 --> 00:04:15.035 Well, if Alan Dershowitz says it, it's got to be true, right? 00:04:15.275 --> 00:04:18.735 Kind of like the New York Times. It just has to be true. It's kind of interesting 00:04:18.735 --> 00:04:21.915 that he would say that, considering that he's been heavily implicated. 00:04:23.835 --> 00:04:30.615 Virginia Gouffre named him as a perpetrator, and eventually they got into a 00:04:30.615 --> 00:04:34.735 lawsuit, and she eventually said that she could have made a mistake. 00:04:34.735 --> 00:04:39.575 And given what her domestic situation was like at that point, 00:04:40.275 --> 00:04:43.655 it would have been quite easy to leverage her. 00:04:43.755 --> 00:04:46.535 I think it would have been quite easy to leverage her for various things, 00:04:46.675 --> 00:04:51.095 although I think that she was for the most part honest and her testimony stood 00:04:51.095 --> 00:04:55.575 up against Ghislaine Maxwell and also Prince Andrew. 00:04:56.495 --> 00:05:02.895 And when it came out in 2015 that Virginia Gouffre had said that Alan Dershowitz 00:05:02.895 --> 00:05:09.755 was a perpetrator, Alan Dershowitz took to the airwaves, and he was talking to everybody. 00:05:09.755 --> 00:05:14.775 He was talking to big, small, big podcasts, small podcasts, big platforms, 00:05:14.995 --> 00:05:18.675 small platforms, mainstream media networks. 00:05:18.975 --> 00:05:22.255 And he was saying, I only fly with my wife. 00:05:22.435 --> 00:05:28.095 Actually, he said that in Law 360, a Law 360 article. 00:05:28.315 --> 00:05:32.495 I only fly with my wife. That's the only person I ever fly with. 00:05:33.475 --> 00:05:39.115 Well, shortly after that, we put the flight logs up on the Internet. And guess what? 00:05:39.395 --> 00:05:43.755 Alan was flying with girls like Tatiana and Claire and... 00:05:45.605 --> 00:05:52.145 And Alan's mind, which we suspect, or which we've always been told is like a 00:05:52.145 --> 00:05:57.025 steel trap mind, he became a little rusty in that article that I wrote where he was interviewed. 00:05:57.025 --> 00:06:01.645 He didn't quite remember who Tatiana was, and he didn't quite remember who Claire was. 00:06:01.865 --> 00:06:05.625 And then another woman was brought up, and then he decided to diffuse the situation 00:06:05.625 --> 00:06:07.585 with humor. He said, that could have been my mother. 00:06:09.065 --> 00:06:12.765 So Alan wasn't very veritable 00:06:12.765 --> 00:06:16.005 about him on Epstein's plane 00:06:16.005 --> 00:06:21.725 and what Dershowitz did to the victims is is a huge disservice and Dershowitz 00:06:21.725 --> 00:06:26.505 I understand that defense attorneys have to represent rapists and murderers 00:06:26.505 --> 00:06:29.585 I mean that's what they sign up for if they're defense attorneys but that seems 00:06:29.585 --> 00:06:34.925 to be his specialty is defending rapists and he also believes that the age of consent should be 14, 00:06:35.385 --> 00:06:37.365 regardless of the age of the other person. 00:06:37.525 --> 00:06:42.665 So I think for Alan to come out and say that is kind of interesting. 00:06:42.665 --> 00:06:44.805 I actually don't know what to make of it. 00:06:45.645 --> 00:06:50.185 It is at the very least interesting that he says he waives all his rights to 00:06:50.185 --> 00:06:54.305 privacy. He wants every single document to be released fully unredacted because 00:06:54.305 --> 00:06:56.025 he believes it will be exculpatory. 00:06:56.205 --> 00:06:59.945 So at least in that regard, I agree with him. I would like to see every single 00:06:59.945 --> 00:07:02.165 document released completely unredacted. 00:07:02.285 --> 00:07:05.325 All of the tens of thousands of files that were sitting on 00:07:05.325 --> 00:07:08.305 bondi's desk that suddenly don't exist 00:07:08.305 --> 00:07:11.105 or whatever the case they're trying to make here is 00:07:11.105 --> 00:07:14.405 what what happened bondi got 00:07:14.405 --> 00:07:17.785 herself into trouble very early on when she 00:07:17.785 --> 00:07:22.585 said that the files were on her desk and that they needed to be looked through 00:07:22.585 --> 00:07:27.185 and then she said that there was a truck full of material now that i believe 00:07:27.185 --> 00:07:33.705 the feds are saying uh 300 gigabytes but here's the problem with that cover 00:07:33.705 --> 00:07:36.465 story actually there's a few problems with bondi's cover story. 00:07:38.056 --> 00:07:44.636 The day after Jeffrey Epstein was arrested in 2019, the FBI saw his safe open the next day. 00:07:44.796 --> 00:07:48.456 And his safe wasn't the kind of safe that one thinks of. I mean, 00:07:48.556 --> 00:07:50.036 his safe was the size of a closet. 00:07:51.416 --> 00:07:57.676 And according to the New York Times, there were many disks that were taken out 00:07:57.676 --> 00:08:00.816 that contained child abuse material. 00:08:00.816 --> 00:08:06.196 And Business Insider reported that there were two hard drives that were taken 00:08:06.196 --> 00:08:08.216 out that contained child abuse material. 00:08:08.676 --> 00:08:15.996 The New York Times said hundreds if not thousands of images of child abuse material 00:08:15.996 --> 00:08:17.796 were taken out of that safe. 00:08:18.216 --> 00:08:26.516 Now the FBI and the dark malignant corner of intelligence that actually deploys 00:08:26.516 --> 00:08:32.196 people like Jeffrey Epstein, they were going through that safe that day and the next day. 00:08:32.416 --> 00:08:36.776 And they probably didn't even sleep until they had gone through everything in that safe. 00:08:37.196 --> 00:08:45.176 So Bondi is telling us initially that they've got to go through all that child 00:08:45.176 --> 00:08:47.816 abuse material and the 300 gigabytes. 00:08:48.096 --> 00:08:50.056 They'd already gone through it six years earlier. 00:08:50.376 --> 00:08:55.936 I mean, that was a complete fabrication. 00:08:56.316 --> 00:09:04.076 And then she dug herself in a deeper hole when she said that she wouldn't release 00:09:04.076 --> 00:09:09.536 files that had any kind of bearing on national security. 00:09:09.796 --> 00:09:16.876 Now she has to tell us what a bunch of child molesters have to do with national security. 00:09:17.896 --> 00:09:23.516 And she never got into that and then cash patel then came out and demoted all 00:09:23.516 --> 00:09:30.936 that to fiction i mean he devoted demoted everything to fiction and that's that 00:09:30.936 --> 00:09:36.716 was the party line that they went with and pam bondy i don't know. 00:09:38.479 --> 00:09:43.239 You know, I've talked about this to various people. Why did Pam Bonney say that 00:09:43.239 --> 00:09:46.439 she was going to release the Epstein files or Epstein list? I mean, 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.039 she called it Epstein list, Epstein files. 00:09:48.339 --> 00:09:53.179 Why would she say that and then release a nothing sandwich? We've talked about this. 00:09:54.379 --> 00:10:01.559 I released more incriminating information on Epstein in 2015 than the DOJ did in 2025. 00:10:02.819 --> 00:10:11.239 And the only thing that I can think of is they did not understand the public's 00:10:11.239 --> 00:10:12.999 knowledge of the Epstein case. 00:10:13.359 --> 00:10:18.639 I believe that they thought that they could just release these heavily redacted documents. 00:10:18.839 --> 00:10:24.679 When I released the black book, if someone was not a victim, 00:10:24.999 --> 00:10:30.179 we redacted their first name. We didn't redact their last name. 00:10:30.259 --> 00:10:31.839 We redacted their number. 00:10:32.099 --> 00:10:37.759 And there's over 100 victims in the black book, too. And we redacted their last name and their numbers. 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:44.219 But when I saw a copy of the black book that I'd put up 10 years early, 00:10:44.459 --> 00:10:45.919 every name was redacted. 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:52.439 So, I mean, how can we begin to take that seriously? 00:10:52.739 --> 00:10:58.299 And then the national security came in. And so she was just digging herself 00:10:58.299 --> 00:11:00.879 a deeper hole and a deeper hole and a deeper hole. 00:11:00.979 --> 00:11:03.259 And then Kash Patel came out and said, it's all a fiction. 00:11:03.659 --> 00:11:09.159 And then now we've got this strange document from the Department of Justice 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.059 and the FBI that no one will put their name on. 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:17.819 It's kind of from some Kafkaesque bureaucracy. 00:11:17.819 --> 00:11:25.179 It talks about analysts and people like that. And it said that although there 00:11:25.179 --> 00:11:28.139 was thousands of hours of child abuse material, 00:11:28.859 --> 00:11:32.999 that it was Epstein was the only one that was partaking of it, 00:11:33.079 --> 00:11:35.399 that there wasn't children being molested. 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:40.839 And it was just thousands of hours of Jeffrey Epstein watching child pornography. 00:11:40.839 --> 00:11:46.359 I believe at least that what I picked up on in the press conference or the interview 00:11:46.359 --> 00:11:51.519 that Bondi was doing was that she said it was stuff that he had downloaded as 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:55.299 if he wasn't even anything that he himself had recorded. 00:11:55.499 --> 00:11:58.559 He had simply just downloaded it from the Internet or something like that. 00:11:58.659 --> 00:12:00.899 That was at least the impression that she was trying to give, 00:12:01.239 --> 00:12:03.839 which is just ludicrous. Absolutely. 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:08.459 And that's what they're saying in the memo, too, is that he downloaded it. 00:12:08.459 --> 00:12:13.339 But I have talked to Epstein victims that have said that they were used for 00:12:13.339 --> 00:12:15.859 child abuse material as underage. 00:12:16.779 --> 00:12:20.379 And Virginia Gouffre, God rest her soul. 00:12:22.459 --> 00:12:26.459 I've talked about the Black Book coming out and Alfredo Rodriguez, 00:12:26.959 --> 00:12:31.299 Epstein's house manager, circling people that were in cahoots with Epstein. 00:12:32.889 --> 00:12:37.629 As far as his pedophilic enterprise. And he circled a number of names, 00:12:37.649 --> 00:12:42.189 and then Gouffre, in her lawsuit against Maxwell, named a number of people. 00:12:43.949 --> 00:12:49.449 Like, Rodriguez circled Ghislaine Maxwell, and Virginia Gouffre said she was 00:12:49.449 --> 00:12:50.649 molested by Ghislaine Maxwell. 00:12:52.049 --> 00:12:58.929 Rodriguez circled Les Wexner, and Virginia Gouffre said she was molested by Les Wexner. 00:13:00.089 --> 00:13:03.749 Rodriguez circled former new mexico governor william richardson 00:13:03.749 --> 00:13:07.409 who was also clinton's energy czar and virginia 00:13:07.409 --> 00:13:11.489 gufri said that she was molested by him and rodriguez 00:13:11.489 --> 00:13:18.549 circled ahud barak the former israeli prime minister and virginia said that 00:13:18.549 --> 00:13:24.329 she'd been molested by him and that he was not a very nice guy and then of course 00:13:24.329 --> 00:13:29.009 alan dershowitz was circled and she was named by Gouffre, and Jean-Luc Brunel, 00:13:29.289 --> 00:13:35.349 who ran a modeling agency with Epstein, who has been notorious. 00:13:35.349 --> 00:13:39.689 Actually, there was a 60 Minutes piece on him some years ago about he liked 00:13:39.689 --> 00:13:44.509 to roofie adolescent models and molest them. 00:13:44.589 --> 00:13:47.909 He was kind of into the Bill Cosby kink. 00:13:48.409 --> 00:13:52.649 And his name is Serval, and Gouffre named him as a perpetrator. 00:13:53.189 --> 00:13:56.989 So we are able to get some double corroboration. And... 00:13:58.204 --> 00:14:06.284 The best thing that you can say to a survivor is, I believe you. 00:14:06.704 --> 00:14:09.044 That is the best thing. 00:14:09.584 --> 00:14:17.424 You can give them empathy and sympathy and compassion, but the best thing that 00:14:17.424 --> 00:14:19.504 you can say to them is, I believe you. 00:14:19.724 --> 00:14:24.324 The worst thing you can say to them is, I don't believe you. 00:14:24.324 --> 00:14:28.424 So we have girls 00:14:28.424 --> 00:14:32.264 like virginia who have been trafficked and 00:14:32.264 --> 00:14:35.924 according to a newspaper report 00:14:35.924 --> 00:14:38.584 out of australia talking about the virginia as they 00:14:38.584 --> 00:14:41.764 were as young as uh 10 or 10 or 00:14:41.764 --> 00:14:44.604 11 or 12 and then virginia said that 00:14:44.604 --> 00:14:48.684 she had met some girls that were 12 and and 00:14:48.684 --> 00:14:51.644 i've come across some therapists and ones 00:14:51.644 --> 00:14:55.904 i think i've told you a very eminent psychologist and both 00:14:55.904 --> 00:14:58.964 these and both these therapists are solid and they were counseling 00:14:58.964 --> 00:15:02.424 victims who girls young women 00:15:02.424 --> 00:15:08.444 who they felt had been trafficked by epstein and this eminent psychologist her 00:15:08.444 --> 00:15:14.304 client was able to describe epstein's home and inside his his new york home 00:15:14.304 --> 00:15:20.064 and and the places around it and she was under 10 when she was trafficked by Epstein. 00:15:20.424 --> 00:15:25.224 And this other therapist I know has a client that was under 10 when this therapist 00:15:25.224 --> 00:15:26.664 believed she was trafficked by Epstein. 00:15:27.004 --> 00:15:35.164 So these young girls, and you can be sexually assaulted once. 00:15:35.984 --> 00:15:39.184 And that can really destroy your life. 00:15:40.144 --> 00:15:47.164 And you've got these young girls who've been repeatedly molested by all these 00:15:47.164 --> 00:15:53.344 Epstein perpetrators, and the government is saying to all of them, we don't believe you. 00:15:55.364 --> 00:15:59.944 Even though there's substantial evidence to show that they were molested. 00:16:00.204 --> 00:16:04.824 And we've talked about the Epstein Victims Compensation Program, 00:16:05.184 --> 00:16:10.044 where there was a chunk of Epstein's estate that was set aside, 00:16:10.044 --> 00:16:19.624 and women could sue the estate and get compensation and 225 women. 00:16:21.241 --> 00:16:27.761 Sued the estate, 150 settlements were awarded, and 12 settlements were declined. 00:16:29.041 --> 00:16:36.621 And the reason why these Epstein victims declined that money was because if you took that money, 00:16:36.721 --> 00:16:44.841 you had to sign an NDA saying that you wouldn't accuse any more of your perpetrators, 00:16:44.901 --> 00:16:47.961 that you'd go quiet about the rest of your perpetrators. 00:16:47.961 --> 00:16:53.221 So that Epstein Victims Compensation Program, and it was overseen by David Boyce, 00:16:53.301 --> 00:16:54.881 who's really a dirty lawyer. 00:16:55.721 --> 00:17:00.341 And so basically what it's saying is that if you get money from us, 00:17:00.481 --> 00:17:03.681 we're going to shut you up in a way that the government can't. 00:17:03.901 --> 00:17:11.481 But when we get into over a thousand victims, and that's reasonable because 00:17:11.481 --> 00:17:14.841 Epstein trafficked underage girls for 25 years. 00:17:14.841 --> 00:17:17.821 What about those hundreds of victims 00:17:17.821 --> 00:17:21.441 the reason why those hundreds of victims didn't come forward is because they 00:17:21.441 --> 00:17:26.601 were terrified to go up against Epstein and the machinery that protected Epstein 00:17:26.601 --> 00:17:35.801 that's why only 225 women wanted compensation or sued Epstein's estate is because the rest were, 00:17:36.261 --> 00:17:41.281 terrified of Epstein and and traffickers are very good at that and if you're 00:17:41.281 --> 00:17:45.801 Epstein and you're You're hanging out with Bill Clinton and all kinds of other powerful people. 00:17:46.041 --> 00:17:51.221 And you just look upon yourself as a victim. 00:17:51.541 --> 00:17:55.561 And victims don't have very high self-esteem. I mean, that's just, 00:17:55.681 --> 00:17:59.741 if you're sexually abused, you don't have high self-esteem. 00:18:00.081 --> 00:18:07.461 And so between their low self-esteem and their complete terror of their perpetrators, 00:18:07.781 --> 00:18:11.621 they didn't even try to get a settlement from the Epstein Victims Conversation Program. 00:18:15.812 --> 00:18:23.232 It is. I mean, in a sense, they had very good reason to be terrified of Epstein 00:18:23.232 --> 00:18:28.172 and his connections, because as has been shown, there was no justice that would 00:18:28.172 --> 00:18:30.012 be forthcoming. They stepped forward. 00:18:30.272 --> 00:18:34.632 A lot of these young women put their reputations on the line, 00:18:34.752 --> 00:18:37.112 their lives on the line, put their trauma out in the public. 00:18:37.112 --> 00:18:44.272 And they have been utterly and totally, completely stepped on and used and discarded, 00:18:44.532 --> 00:18:49.552 not only by Epstein and the perpetrators, but now by the DOJ that's basically 00:18:49.552 --> 00:18:51.412 given the complete clear plate. 00:18:51.532 --> 00:18:53.792 There was nothing to see, nothing to prosecute. 00:18:53.952 --> 00:18:57.012 It's like traumatizing them all over again. 00:18:58.212 --> 00:19:01.172 Oh, it is traumatizing them all over again. 00:19:01.332 --> 00:19:06.512 I mean, they're getting raped again, sexually assaulted again. 00:19:07.272 --> 00:19:10.132 And the thing about it is. 00:19:12.472 --> 00:19:16.612 And we've talked about this before, the thing about it is, if the government 00:19:16.612 --> 00:19:20.452 wanted to get indictments, they could get indictments tomorrow. 00:19:20.572 --> 00:19:25.852 There was a New York Times article a couple of months after Epstein killed himself, 00:19:26.072 --> 00:19:27.272 and it named Ghislaine Maxwell, 00:19:27.712 --> 00:19:32.592 Sarah Kellen, Leslie Groff, Adriana Ross, Nadia Marcinkova, and Hallie Robson 00:19:32.592 --> 00:19:36.812 of being procurers, a.k.a. pimps. these women were pimps. 00:19:37.072 --> 00:19:38.992 Ghislaine Maxwell, definitely a pimp. 00:19:40.072 --> 00:19:45.912 But if the Justice Department really wanted justice in this case, 00:19:46.332 --> 00:19:49.932 the case with Ghislaine Maxwell has already been adjudicated, 00:19:50.172 --> 00:19:55.192 but get Kellen Groff, Ross, and Marcinkova. I don't think Haley Robson knew much. 00:19:55.292 --> 00:19:58.792 She was just, she was used to get high school students. I don't think she knew 00:19:58.792 --> 00:20:02.952 about the wider network, but Kellen Groff, Ross, and Marcinkova definitely knew 00:20:02.952 --> 00:20:03.972 about the wider network. 00:20:05.192 --> 00:20:09.272 And charge them with multiple counts of child trafficking, which wouldn't be 00:20:09.272 --> 00:20:14.392 difficult because the Department of Justice would not have problems finding 00:20:14.392 --> 00:20:16.592 victims that they had helped traffic. 00:20:17.272 --> 00:20:25.872 And indict them on 10 counts of child trafficking or 5 counts or 3 counts, whatever. 00:20:26.072 --> 00:20:30.792 Make them look at a couple life sentences in prison and they're going to roll over on those perps. 00:20:30.792 --> 00:20:33.572 And all is the department of 00:20:33.572 --> 00:20:36.772 justice would have to do is read that new york times article 00:20:36.772 --> 00:20:39.632 and that would be enough to call a 00:20:39.632 --> 00:20:42.732 grand jury and get those women indicted and and 00:20:42.732 --> 00:20:46.572 that's really another tragedy so the 00:20:46.572 --> 00:20:51.092 new york times calls these women pimps the department of justice calls glane 00:20:51.092 --> 00:20:59.392 maxwell a pimp and then epstein is acting alone i mean it's so absurd um the 00:20:59.392 --> 00:21:03.352 difference between truth and fiction is that fiction needs to make sense. 00:21:04.052 --> 00:21:06.612 And this absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. 00:21:08.980 --> 00:21:16.940 Yeah, it really doesn't. It's so utterly, blatantly, in-your-face a lie, and everyone knows it. 00:21:17.080 --> 00:21:21.520 Everyone knows they are being lied to, which makes it even that much more galling. 00:21:21.660 --> 00:21:25.680 I guess the real question, I mean, we can talk about all of this till the cows 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:28.020 come home, and I have lots of things to say about this. 00:21:28.120 --> 00:21:32.240 For example, I think the missing minute of footage may in and of itself be a 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:37.020 red herring, because people tend to think that that video is actually showing 00:21:37.020 --> 00:21:39.120 the door to Epstein's cell. It is not. 00:21:39.300 --> 00:21:43.880 It is showing a sliver in far in the background that is one of the entrance 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:47.440 ways up to the wing in which Epstein was being held. 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:53.660 And all of this just nonsense and confusion and people still demanding the list, 00:21:53.660 --> 00:21:57.000 as we've talked about before, as if there is a single list. 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:00.960 If there is a list, it was the Black Book, something along those lines. Right. 00:22:02.340 --> 00:22:06.320 But again, we can talk about all the details of this. The really important question 00:22:06.320 --> 00:22:11.660 is, what are the next steps for Epstein justice now that this has happened? 00:22:11.820 --> 00:22:14.020 Well, we've been getting contact all day. 00:22:14.560 --> 00:22:18.700 And you're my third podcast I'm doing today. 00:22:18.760 --> 00:22:22.240 And I'm going to do a couple of podcasts tomorrow. 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:29.220 And actually, I'm going to present a PowerPoint to a group of anti-trafficking 00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:36.420 organizations that have done very little about Jeffrey Epstein. I think... 00:22:38.166 --> 00:22:42.646 There was a lobbyist that was helping Epstein justice. And we went to a couple 00:22:42.646 --> 00:22:47.206 of Republican senators who had been quite vociferous about Epstein. 00:22:47.706 --> 00:22:54.266 And Pam Bondi had told them that they will get evidence, that they're going 00:22:54.266 --> 00:22:56.286 to get evidence and people are going to be indicted. 00:22:56.486 --> 00:22:59.886 So it's going to be interesting when we go back to those senators. 00:23:00.086 --> 00:23:04.606 And I think a lot of these anti-trafficking organizations wanted to give the 00:23:04.606 --> 00:23:06.426 government the benefit of the doubt. 00:23:06.426 --> 00:23:09.466 But after my call today 00:23:09.466 --> 00:23:13.886 with one of those anti-traveling organizations that that's gone out the window 00:23:13.886 --> 00:23:20.446 at this point so and you know and i really hate to say this i i mean i really 00:23:20.446 --> 00:23:27.406 do but the government's just mind-boggling malfeasance has been a good thing 00:23:27.406 --> 00:23:29.406 for my organization epstein justice. 00:23:29.686 --> 00:23:33.006 I really wish I'm not a crusader. 00:23:33.806 --> 00:23:37.606 That's I'm just I'm a writer. You know, I've been a professional writer for 00:23:37.606 --> 00:23:40.446 35 years. And I like writing. 00:23:40.806 --> 00:23:48.926 But there was a there was a protest during the Glenn Maxwell trial that I put 00:23:48.926 --> 00:23:50.686 together. I'd never put together a protest. 00:23:50.926 --> 00:23:54.546 I'd never done anything like that before. But if I didn't do it, 00:23:54.626 --> 00:23:55.806 nobody else was going to do it. 00:23:56.006 --> 00:23:59.806 And and I saw this with Epstein Justice. I did not want to do this. 00:24:00.166 --> 00:24:03.586 I did. I just wanted to go about my life as a writer. 00:24:03.826 --> 00:24:07.266 And, you know, I had a nascent podcast that was doing good. 00:24:07.386 --> 00:24:13.006 I mean, but if there's isn't going to be an Epstein Justice, 00:24:13.486 --> 00:24:17.926 there's going to be no blowback whatsoever against the government. 00:24:18.326 --> 00:24:24.266 And judging by the number of people that have emailed Epstein Justice today, 00:24:24.266 --> 00:24:29.306 I think people are just really furious really furious and. 00:24:31.567 --> 00:24:38.607 It's been people on the right that are much more furious than people on the left. 00:24:38.767 --> 00:24:42.247 I think that this issue appeals to more people on the right. 00:24:43.427 --> 00:24:50.007 Unfortunately, it should appeal to both sides. But the people on the right really 00:24:50.007 --> 00:24:58.227 felt that the triumvirate of Pam Bondi and Kash Patel and Dan Bongino were going 00:24:58.227 --> 00:24:59.587 to get to the bottom of this. 00:24:59.727 --> 00:25:02.507 They really did. They believed. They were believers. 00:25:03.227 --> 00:25:10.367 And now it's just a fairy tale what the government came out. 00:25:10.487 --> 00:25:14.807 And as I said earlier, which even makes this document more mind-boggling, 00:25:14.827 --> 00:25:19.207 is no one had the courage to put their name on that document. 00:25:19.367 --> 00:25:22.167 Not even Trump was willing to put his name on that document. 00:25:23.667 --> 00:25:29.407 So plausible deniability in the years to come about that document is going to 00:25:29.407 --> 00:25:32.847 be very big. Bonnie's going to say, I didn't do it. 00:25:33.787 --> 00:25:38.687 Cash Patel is going to say, I didn't do it. Donald Trump is probably going to 00:25:38.687 --> 00:25:43.207 say, the Department of Justice did that. I don't know. 00:25:44.347 --> 00:25:47.427 Or Dan Bongino is going to say, well, I think it was Cash Patel who did it. 00:25:49.647 --> 00:25:53.887 So because there's no name on it, there's just plausible deniability, 00:25:53.887 --> 00:25:57.987 but that just shows more malfeasance in this case. This case... 00:25:59.429 --> 00:26:08.389 This case has started in 2005 and when the first girl who was 14 years old told 00:26:08.389 --> 00:26:12.289 her stepmother and they went to the Palm Beach Police Department. 00:26:12.989 --> 00:26:17.329 And what's really troubling about this, and we saw this in the Franklin scandal, 00:26:17.329 --> 00:26:21.549 too, with the exception of the Palm Beach Police Department, 00:26:22.049 --> 00:26:28.449 every other state and federal agency betrayed these young girls. 00:26:29.929 --> 00:26:34.909 And the only reason why the Palm Beach Police Department really pushed it was 00:26:34.909 --> 00:26:42.289 Michael Ryder, the chief of the police department, and he took unbelievable heat for keeping going. 00:26:42.469 --> 00:26:48.649 I mean, a lot of intimidation, a lot of threats, but he did the right thing. 00:26:48.849 --> 00:26:52.049 I mean, people, they just have to do their job. 00:26:52.049 --> 00:26:56.749 He did his job, and when he saw that that grand jury He didn't indict Jeffrey 00:26:56.749 --> 00:27:01.629 Epstein on a single count of child abuse when the Palm Beach Police Department knew of 23 victims. 00:27:01.629 --> 00:27:05.789 He went to the Department of Justice thinking that they would do their job and 00:27:05.789 --> 00:27:07.169 they didn't do their job. 00:27:07.429 --> 00:27:11.949 So at this point, and we saw it with the Franklin scandal, 00:27:12.369 --> 00:27:20.529 the only government entity that did its job was the Senate subcommittee for 00:27:20.529 --> 00:27:23.669 the Nebraska legislator that investigated the Franklin scandal. 00:27:23.669 --> 00:27:28.409 And both with that Senate subcommittee and both with the Palm Beach Police Department, 00:27:28.649 --> 00:27:31.329 they were just rolled over by federal power. 00:27:31.929 --> 00:27:38.209 Federal power was a steamroller that just flattened them, that they had no chance against. 00:27:41.218 --> 00:27:46.338 Now it's up to the people. When I wrote the Franklin scandal, 00:27:46.338 --> 00:27:50.738 when it was published, I thought that people would listen to me. 00:27:51.218 --> 00:27:56.618 I spent seven years on it, and the last hundred pages of the book is documents. 00:27:57.498 --> 00:28:02.278 I said to the publisher, I said, we've got to put these documents in because 00:28:02.278 --> 00:28:06.178 no one is going to believe these documents exist. 00:28:06.278 --> 00:28:09.678 I'm going to quote these documents, and no one's going to believe they exist. 00:28:09.678 --> 00:28:13.898 We need to put a bunch of these documents in in their entirety, which we did. 00:28:14.838 --> 00:28:22.878 And I thought that that would stir some outrage, but people just didn't want to believe it. 00:28:25.218 --> 00:28:31.518 And again, the media is very guilty with Epstein and very guilty with the Franklin scandal. 00:28:31.718 --> 00:28:35.478 And I think I've told you before, when I was pitching the Franklin scandal, 00:28:35.478 --> 00:28:38.738 I was across a desk 00:28:38.738 --> 00:28:43.838 from either editors or publishers and I could 00:28:43.838 --> 00:28:46.858 just see the wheels going around and they would say to themselves 00:28:46.858 --> 00:28:51.318 well this is a really horrible story with all these children getting abused 00:28:51.318 --> 00:29:00.098 we need to help Nick Bryant or door two Nick Bryant's crazy and I'm just going 00:29:00.098 --> 00:29:03.258 to write him off and then we're going to have a nice dinner with my family tonight 00:29:03.258 --> 00:29:05.118 That's how that played out. 00:29:06.098 --> 00:29:11.618 And that was devastating to me, and that's why in 2012 I jumped on Epstein. 00:29:11.838 --> 00:29:16.378 I really thought, I did not think, I knew that something was fishy with Epstein. 00:29:16.458 --> 00:29:19.338 Once I got the Black Book in 2012, I knew that it was a network, 00:29:19.398 --> 00:29:20.618 and I knew about the island. 00:29:21.038 --> 00:29:25.318 I think I was the first journalist to really know about the network and the 00:29:25.318 --> 00:29:35.618 island. So, with my knowledge of both Franklin and then Epstein, I was hoping... 00:29:37.212 --> 00:29:42.932 That the government would do the right thing with Epstein. But with the Ghislaine 00:29:42.932 --> 00:29:46.752 Maxwell trial, I realized that it wasn't going to do that. 00:29:47.292 --> 00:29:52.552 And that's ultimately, I put that first petition up. 00:29:52.632 --> 00:29:57.512 And there's a second petition now on change.org about, we're demanding that 00:29:57.512 --> 00:30:01.792 Trump keep his promise about releasing the Epstein files. 00:30:01.952 --> 00:30:06.952 Not the Epstein list, but the Epstein files. because there are files on Jeffrey Epstein. 00:30:07.492 --> 00:30:14.112 You can bet that there's, in the very least, a bunch of 302s on a number of that video footage. 00:30:14.452 --> 00:30:24.072 So we want that. And actually, we put that petition up a couple weeks ago, 00:30:24.092 --> 00:30:26.312 I think, and we've got like 13,000 signatures. 00:30:27.912 --> 00:30:32.872 And the last petition we put up, it took us quite some time to get 13,000 signatures. 00:30:32.872 --> 00:30:35.492 So we've got a sufficient amount of outrage. 00:30:35.752 --> 00:30:41.452 And people have realized now that our government, when you cover up a crime, 00:30:41.532 --> 00:30:44.672 you're aiding and abetting that crime. And people are... 00:30:45.548 --> 00:30:50.188 Have grudgingly come to the realization that our government is aiding betting 00:30:50.188 --> 00:30:52.968 child trafficking, which it is, which it has. Right. 00:30:53.148 --> 00:31:01.028 Nick, as you say, as you quite correctly point out, no one, no one wanted this cover-up to happen. 00:31:01.268 --> 00:31:04.848 And no one wants the DOJ to be trying to sweep all of this under the rug. 00:31:04.968 --> 00:31:07.568 But as you say, it has motivated. 00:31:07.868 --> 00:31:12.568 And certainly, again, as you say, the true believers, the scales are falling 00:31:12.568 --> 00:31:18.228 from their eyes and they are outraged, absolutely outraged about what is happening. 00:31:18.448 --> 00:31:21.968 So far be it for me to tell you, to give you marching orders, 00:31:22.348 --> 00:31:27.368 but I would say there are many, many people who are very, very interested in 00:31:27.368 --> 00:31:33.488 what they can do to help Epstein Justice in general, let alone EpsteinJustice.com. 00:31:33.588 --> 00:31:36.888 So we will direct people, obviously, to EpsteinJustice.com where they can learn 00:31:36.888 --> 00:31:37.848 more about that petition. 00:31:37.968 --> 00:31:40.808 They can learn more about what's happening. is there a list that people can 00:31:40.808 --> 00:31:44.728 sign up to that hopefully we can start getting real protests and, 00:31:45.228 --> 00:31:48.468 some genuine heat on uh the the real 00:31:48.468 --> 00:31:53.128 perpetrators the co-accomplices now of Epstein in the government when I was 00:31:53.128 --> 00:31:56.948 on your show the last time I I said that we're having webinars now and we're 00:31:56.948 --> 00:32:04.328 giving people tools to protest and those tools will continue and then at a certain 00:32:04.328 --> 00:32:07.708 point when we reach a critical mass of people, we will have protests. 00:32:08.248 --> 00:32:11.388 And there's 320 million Americans or so. 00:32:11.788 --> 00:32:16.148 I mean, if we can get a million Americans to hit the streets, it shouldn't. 00:32:16.368 --> 00:32:24.088 There was the Dutro scandal in Belgium where that pedophile network was covered up. 00:32:24.368 --> 00:32:28.488 And you had hundreds of thousands of Belgians hit the streets. 00:32:28.648 --> 00:32:33.508 And I've always thought, you know, if Belgians can hit the streets because there's 00:32:33.508 --> 00:32:35.588 a cover-up of a pedophile network. 00:32:35.848 --> 00:32:41.588 Certainly Americans can. We've been heavily desensitized, and we've been taught 00:32:41.588 --> 00:32:44.368 that we have no power and we really can't do much. 00:32:44.488 --> 00:32:48.168 I mean, that's why Trump was so seductive to a lot of people, 00:32:48.208 --> 00:32:53.428 is they thought that he was coming in from, that he was riding his white horse 00:32:53.428 --> 00:32:57.048 into Washington, D.C., and he was going to clean things up. 00:32:57.228 --> 00:33:03.568 But now we see that that is not the case. And it's really up to we the people at this point. 00:33:06.344 --> 00:33:10.364 This is it. Well, I imagine people have never been more outraged about this 00:33:10.364 --> 00:33:11.604 issue than they are right now. 00:33:11.724 --> 00:33:14.904 And so I would say, let's strike while the iron is hot. 00:33:15.124 --> 00:33:20.684 This is a huge issue and obviously some bombshell developments that are going on. 00:33:20.824 --> 00:33:23.904 I know you will be continuing to cover this. And as you say, 00:33:24.024 --> 00:33:26.264 you're doing lots of press at the moment about this. 00:33:26.324 --> 00:33:29.604 So I'm sure people can follow you in your various outlets. 00:33:30.164 --> 00:33:33.624 Obviously, we will direct people to EpsteinJustice.com. Is there anywhere else 00:33:33.624 --> 00:33:34.804 you would recommend people go? 00:33:36.344 --> 00:33:40.404 I've got books out, but I would much rather have people go to EpsteinJustice.com 00:33:40.404 --> 00:33:43.604 than to Amazon or any place where I'd sell my books. 00:33:43.744 --> 00:33:49.844 I do have a website, Nick Bryant, NYC.com. And I've done a lot of blogging on Epstein. 00:33:51.924 --> 00:33:56.924 And the podcast that I had, we did a number of videos on Epstein. 00:33:57.124 --> 00:34:01.964 So there's a lot of really good information on Epstein that's out there that 00:34:01.964 --> 00:34:04.324 I've either written or made videos. 00:34:05.084 --> 00:34:10.244 And we really think now is the time. 00:34:10.464 --> 00:34:15.984 And I just want to emphasize one of the reasons why this is so important. 00:34:16.064 --> 00:34:19.724 Well, first of all, your government can't aid and abet child trafficking. 00:34:19.904 --> 00:34:23.904 I mean, that's just one thing that it can't do. 00:34:24.104 --> 00:34:32.084 I mean, we know that the CIA topples democratically elected presidents and stalls dictators. 00:34:32.404 --> 00:34:43.764 We know stuff like that. But this is way different than propping up capitalistic corporations. 00:34:44.404 --> 00:34:46.064 This is... 00:34:48.835 --> 00:34:53.775 This is a line that's been crossed in the sand that should have never been crossed. 00:34:55.535 --> 00:35:02.355 And our government has done it. And I can leave your audience with, 00:35:02.595 --> 00:35:07.195 and I might have said this to you before, but it's really important for me to say this. 00:35:08.395 --> 00:35:16.355 According to the Centers for Disease Control, 25% of underage girls and 25% 00:35:16.355 --> 00:35:18.855 of underage boys in the United States have been molested. 00:35:19.375 --> 00:35:24.895 So, and a lot of people think that that's slightly conservative for girls and 00:35:24.895 --> 00:35:27.395 a lot of people think it's way conservative for boys. 00:35:27.495 --> 00:35:31.295 But if you just go with those CDC numbers, you've got over 50 million Americans 00:35:31.295 --> 00:35:34.195 that have been molested as minors. 00:35:34.955 --> 00:35:38.755 And according to the Department of Health and Human Services, 00:35:39.435 --> 00:35:46.975 240,000 to 325,000 women and girls are sexually trafficked in the United States every year. 00:35:47.515 --> 00:35:51.775 And when you juxtapose those to the number of people that are actually charged 00:35:51.775 --> 00:35:54.635 with these crimes, that's where it gets mind-boggling. 00:35:54.895 --> 00:35:58.795 It's according to the 2023 Federal Human Trafficking Report, 00:35:59.535 --> 00:36:02.935 664 people in the United States 00:36:02.935 --> 00:36:05.975 in 19 and in 2023 were 00:36:05.975 --> 00:36:10.055 charged with trafficking and there's 00:36:10.055 --> 00:36:14.855 millions of hours of child abuse material that infest the internet and last 00:36:14.855 --> 00:36:21.635 year there was 1,375 people that were charged with making or disseminating child 00:36:21.635 --> 00:36:28.515 abuse material so we're not even tackling one percent of these perpetrators. 00:36:28.815 --> 00:36:33.975 I mean, we could go, if we go to the lowest number we can possibly go to on 00:36:33.975 --> 00:36:35.655 the Department of Health and Human Services, 00:36:35.955 --> 00:36:45.155 if we go with 240,000 and then only 664,000 are being charged with that offense, I mean, 00:36:45.555 --> 00:36:47.695 even with the lowest number, 00:36:48.115 --> 00:36:50.855 it's still mind-boggling. 00:36:51.035 --> 00:36:56.495 So Well, there's a lot of talk about protecting our children, 00:36:56.495 --> 00:37:03.175 and that's just not the way it's playing out with these numbers. 00:37:04.115 --> 00:37:08.175 And what we're doing at Epstein Justice isn't going to be easy. 00:37:08.815 --> 00:37:15.175 But the labor rights movement wasn't easy. The civil rights movement wasn't easy. 00:37:15.695 --> 00:37:20.575 Women's rights wasn't easy. Gay rights wasn't easy. 00:37:22.615 --> 00:37:27.635 Children's rights to have a decent life and not be abused, we're not going to be able to cut out. 00:37:28.922 --> 00:37:32.242 All the the molestation but we can 00:37:32.242 --> 00:37:39.222 certainly cut out a lot of it and our society has to do that now because if 00:37:39.222 --> 00:37:44.342 you just take if you have one thing to take out of society if you took child 00:37:44.342 --> 00:37:50.602 sexual abuse out of society the prisons would be almost vacant the psychiatric 00:37:50.602 --> 00:37:52.222 hospitals would be almost vacant. 00:37:54.762 --> 00:38:00.322 So this one thing in our society, we really have to focus on it. It's dirty. 00:38:00.582 --> 00:38:05.522 A lot of prosecutors don't want to touch it. But this is something that we have to start doing. 00:38:06.222 --> 00:38:09.842 And Epstein Justice. It absolutely is. Yes. Let's do this. 00:38:09.962 --> 00:38:14.762 Nick Bryant, EpsteinJustice.com is the place to go to learn more about what is going on. 00:38:14.922 --> 00:38:18.522 And Nick, I certainly hope that we'll be able to continue to do updates on this 00:38:18.522 --> 00:38:20.082 as things continue to develop. 00:38:20.102 --> 00:38:24.322 As I say, I'm sure a lot of people are interested in Epstein justice at the moment. 00:38:24.522 --> 00:38:28.342 So I hope people will go there to find out more about what they can do to help contribute to this. 00:38:28.682 --> 00:38:31.142 But Nick, I think we'll leave it there for today. Thank you very much for your 00:38:31.142 --> 00:38:32.642 time. And thank you for doing what you do. 00:38:33.242 --> 00:38:36.742 And a red book arrived recently at my apartment. 00:38:37.202 --> 00:38:43.562 It was written by a guy named James Corbett. I think I'm going to check it out. 00:38:44.862 --> 00:38:48.942 Please do. Let me know how it goes. It looks like a good book. 00:38:49.102 --> 00:38:51.022 I was just paging through it. It looks like a good book. 00:38:53.162 --> 00:38:55.162 Excellent. All right. Well, I think we'll leave it there for today. 00:38:55.282 --> 00:38:58.022 But thank you again for your time. Have a good night. Thank you for having me on, James.