The CIA, the NY Times, and the Art of the Limited Hangout

02/02/2020112 Comments

Viewers of my recent #PropagandaWatch episode on The CIA’s Global Propaganda Network will know all about the interesting 1977 article from the good ol’ New York Times, “Worldwide Propaganda Network Built by the CIA.”

If you haven’t watched my video yet, you should definitely do so. And then you should go read that New York Times article for yourself. (But read it at this link to avoid giving the Old Grey Presstitute your click.)

When you do read the article, you’ll see that it is an obvious limited hangout—that is, the deliberate revelation of some information in order to prevent the discovery of other, more important information. This observation tells us two things:

  1. That there is novel and compelling information about the CIA's covert propaganda programs contained in the article; and
  2. that that novel and compelling information is not the whole story.

In order to understand the hangout the Times is attempting here, we first have to examine the article itself and the information that it does contain. . . .

This week in The Corbett Report Subscriber newsletter, James explains the context of the intriguing New York Times article and what such an "exposé" demonstrates about the art of the limited hangout.

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  1. generalbottlewasher says:

    ‘The propagandists never do make it easy to get to the bottom of their lies’
    They sure don’t. We have a real pile of doodoo here in my little village at the old University. The presidents position here has become life threatening to fill. Ever since the Military / Informational Complex came to town the old University has seen a revolving door of heart attacts, firings, hospitalization, A&S college closings, and $400 million bites out of the endowments rock, missing but not forgotten.. However and whatever the story is, the Press so diligently covers the buzzer beater shot with .1 seconds left on the clock to beat Wichita State , so that now the Hurricaine is in sole possession of 1st place in the American Athletic Conference. The institution which bares the burden of such Heroes, being a smoldering outhouse of doodoo goes unnoticed, by anyone. All Hail Caesar and the games!
    Hope to see other tidbits you have in store , while you visit Mexico. Have a safe trip.

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      What Im I talking about here? What has this maniac ( moi) purposed now? The relation to this open source article is how do we recognize the limited hanger, the dingle berrys , without already being in possession of the facts. What Im wondering is whenever an explanation for whatever caused the total destruction of my dearly beloved University comes out , since like the NYTs article came in the wake of The Church Committee investigations, that in itself is reason to suspect limited hangout news, propaganda? No investigation= no news= no need for hanging out. The smelly smoldering craters where the University use to be indicates something’s wrong in river city. The “‘ what’s left out of the story” is the story its self and the need of a few more dead bodies piled up. Hanging out for the hang out.

      • generalbottlewasher says:

        Well the story finally showed up, Dead On Arrival. No story except George Francis Kaiser picks up line of credit for daily operations.
        When is a hang out a non hang out. When $500 million goes out the door in unsecured building debt on unsecured DOD and CIA contracts. Guaranteed by one heart attack dead President and 2 revolving door actors and 6 brain dead silver spoon board of privileged directors. And and any one looking for a job can apply to a University that will be recooping $25 to $30 million in austerity planned until 2025. No story no need for a hang out.

        Like Dr Shiva Ayyadurai says ” academia is corrupt!”

  2. manbearpig says:

    Ouf! Camille! This “the ears are the real windows to the soul” thing sure is creepy the way that chic says it, in that context…

    Haven’t ever seen Dr. Who (I know, GASP!) but I was kinda wondering why all the kids wanted to look like Shrek…

    and the creepy possibilities of the technology grinned out at me from the corners of my dark imagination…

    have to show this to my students.

    • manbearpig says:

      Darn it, what’s the interview featured in your video, please, Camille? I’m having a little trouble finding it?

      • Camille says:

        Hello, friend! Thanks for watching and showing your students!!

        Here is the video with the interview:

        Live From the NEO.LIFE Kickstarter Launch Party

        There’s a lot more in there than I showed in the video! Worth the watch.

        In the show notes on my video there is a link to the sources/images. It only goes to my steemit at the moment, I am having some issues (user error) with my website.

        Shrek… I hadn’t thought of that!

        • manbearpig says:

          Awesome! Thanks a lot! Keep’em comin’!

          • generalbottlewasher says:

            ???, the darker imagination only makes your lighter imagining brighter. Camille’s video was hard to interpret. But the body language wasn’t. They are going to be seeking rewards for work that they never even pondered if that work should ever have been done. Nor do they even address What Could Go Wrong? Their reasoning is impaired by reward but their body language shows the ‘ tells’ of the gamble of their positions. Very bad boding for people in the techno future of replicants . The sun was shinning but now going behind the clouds. Yikes Camille!

        • manbearpig says:

          In the gloomy haste of this Monday morning I tried to take a quick peek at this Poppy Crum character: watched one of her Ted Talks:

          Raw impressions: She incites us to trust our monitoring devices (think Alexa) and did an experiment on everyone’s breath without any warning given as far as I know: Just like Facebook, she used the unwitting audience as her lab rats.

          Indeed, she goes the next step after Zuckerberg’s “Privacy is Obsolete”;

          She says our pocker face is obsolete: our feelings are all readable through sensors.

          She makes Gattaca look like a picnic in the park…

          Seems to me, contrary to what she says, “knowing” that we can’t hide our emotions will not make people MORE empathetic, but quite the contrary…

          this sudden fascination, enchantment for human emotions comes just when “we’re” trying to program them into AI…

          What d’you think about her Ted talk?

          now, dammit, I’m really late for hamstering already!!

          Can’t wait to Watch Camille’s linked interviews about “Neo-Life” technologies and the next human…

          • manbearpig says:

            …watched another of her TedX talks from 2017:

            “Poppy Crum is Chief Scientist at Dolby Laboratories and Adjunct Professor at Stanford University. At Dolby, Poppy directs the growth of internal science.

            She is responsible for integrating neuro and data-driven science into technological development, and technology strategy.

            At Stanford, her work focuses on the impact and feedback potential of new technologies with gaming and immersive environments on neuroplasticity.”

            In both talks she evoked the fact that as she and others were looking at exceptionally hot “luminences” and “fire content” “Just by seeing an image of fire my body started to expel heat”

            The brain apparently does not make the 100% difference between an image and the real thing

            and yet she wants to develop brain plasticity-changing technologies and games that allow people to access the intimate sensations of others by developing internal neural devices that read and communicate biofeedback signals…

            At one point in one of the two videos she exclaims passionately “and the devices we already have in our homes, if we let them, could already give valuable insight back!” (to develop these “empathetic technologies” to cure disease both physical and mental as I understand it.)

            She says she “want(s) to create a world where we can care about each other more effectively, We can know more about when someone is feeling something that we ought to pay attention to and we can have richer experiences from our technology…”

            but tags on a 200mph disclaimer insisting that “transparency and effective regulations must exist to build trust for these technologies”.

            and then moves on to how we must accept to be vulnerable…

            • generalbottlewasher says:

              MBP, that’s just creepy. The fascist and his scientists.
              The Black man , I couldn’t catch his name , is headed straight to or maybe straight from Ian Flemmings
              ” Dr. No!” What could go wrong?
              In Elana Freeland’ s book Under an Ionized Sky, chapter 10 ” The Covert Ascendancy of Technocracy”
              It gets into acoustic psycho-correction.

              You don’t suppose? Miss Crum? Nah, you say 200mph ‘we would not do anything nefarious would we?” I hope they are using KY jelly on their victims ears, and psyche.

              • generalbottlewasher says:

                Poppy Crum, says, ” we have to be OK with losing some of our agency.
                I had to look up Agency, here is what I found.

                No fricking way Poppy Nazi Crum!

              • manbearpig says:

                wrote an incoherent free-association novella on that neo-life talkathon but it’s been hanging out playin’ with the pencils over on the Group W bench waitin’ to hand over its finger prints and be rehabilitated… which would seem complicated given the substance or lack thereof of the comment in question,


                acoustic psycho-correction…let’s see… pretty sure I had that every Tuesday just after school, when I was in Mrs. Freeman’s kindergarten class at PS75 on the upper westside of manhattan… then I’d go to McDonalds…

                bet there’s activated nano-particles in that KY jelly permanently interfacing with extraterrestrial life forms…

                Hey, you don’t suppose? Miss Crum? nah… I’dve recognized her.

              • manbearpig says:

                And by the by… You can get anything you want at Alice’s Restaurant:


              • Camille says:

                Is this the black man that you were talking about, generalbottlewasher? Osh Agabi.


              • generalbottlewasher says:

                Camille, this advertisement came in the paper this morning and really highlights the hidden agenda of the Crum- Stanford Darpa, dual use products introduced into the marketplace. This is a transmitter/reciever. From a comment posted elsewhere I wanted people to connect the dots when they are talked into accepting this into their lifes by well meaning people, professionals and experts.


                Thank you for the link to Ash Agabi at WetWear. And thank you for all your productions and insights.

            • generalbottlewasher says:

              ???, Inspector Clueso is now on the case and has filled a writ of Habius Commentos with the Judiciary Bench of Group W . Produce the body JC. The suspense is killing me!

        • alexandre says:

          Wow. I know it’s none of my business, but I just watched 7 minutes of that video (the NEO.LIFE horror show) and I’ll have to watch “The Exorcist” three times to cheer me up. My god, that’s truly depressing.

          Sorry. As you were.

          • manbearpig says:

            Well, kinda had the same idea, thought I’d watch that series LimeTown to try to comme down, but turns out it’s the exact same apocalyptic Neo-Life psycho-drama that features Poppy Crum…

            and these Agenda21 communities…

            life always outdoes fiction somehow…


            • alexandre says:

              The thing that scared ME most in that trailer is the Facebook logo “Facebook Watch”. You should stay away from that kinda thing, if I may be so bold, sir.

              My wee town is going away slowly since these pseudo-green urban rich sustainable people started moving in. SUVs all over the place, eco-villages, closed condos, organic markets and all the good loving kind of alternative stuff everybody loves so much (which could be indistinguishable from some agoristic anacrhist voluntarist type of thing), and I, feeling Agenda 21 behind all that in my bones, am powerlessly watching all the signs, including old country people in a neighborhood starting to use cocaine, something very weird around these parts – according to the local guy that told me. And rapes, and crack, and crimes, and parking meters, and walking boulevards, and…and…and…maybe I should watch that series after all.

              • manbearpig says:

                No, don’t watch that series: keep your high standards. It’s not very good but it’s about just that: an ideal dream-town built for scientists and their families working on cutting-edge neuroscientific technology that merges mental states so people live what the other’s living but something bad happens and everyone disappears. Bet the bad guy turns out to be some fanatical luddite faction like in the movie Transcendence.

                Funny how that is: actually started watching a few episodes of that series during the last couple of week-ends and then this Poppy Crum and Neo-life comes up (thanks to Camille).

                Kinda disappointed to see that my comment from yesterday morning, though of no exceptional interest, is still hangin’ out with the father-rapers on the Group W bench… but I guess Mr. Corbett’s on his way to Mexico so…

                And you’re right about “eco-villages, closed condos, organic markets and all the good loving kind of alternative stuff everybody loves so much (which could be indistinguishable from some agoristic anacrhist voluntarist type of thing”

                I’ve often wondered to what extent Mr. Corbett’s voluntaryist community ideal that is nevertheless connected via “independent” networks and apps is just what the NWO doctor ordered as it outwardly appears to espouse the “Agenda 21 vision” for lack of a better term…

                And on still another note, as the whole Neo-Life miasma continues to simmer in my brain I realized that at least Poppy Crum, unlike Sam Harris, doesn’t use sophistry to implant her ideas: she comes right out and sells them all straightforward-like…and Samira,scientist and film-maker, at one point ruefully declares something to the effect that it’s hard to get a conversation going about these technologies as “nobody’s really interested in what’s going on”…

                better stop here before this comment joins all the mean, nasty, ugly other ones in the mediation queue…

                gotta go make 8 hours of English classes fun now anyway…

              • alexandre says:

                Ok, I won’t watch it. Thanks.

                Yes, it’s arguable that the Agora idea (etc) today ends up fitting Agenda 21 perfectly, or in other words, it would be perfect for Agenda 21 to hide behind. I totally agree with Corbett, Rose, Pilato and all the voluntaryist gang, but to me any idea (or scheme, or system) about how to live, or how to organize life, ends up being some form of social engineering, and you can’t engineer society. It’s a stupid idea. I mean, you can try, but it’s always a catastrophe. Some things are best left to “the mystery”, or whatever. That which organizes the jungle. It’s a huge system, works perfectly and there’s no one there doing it. Mankind’s self importance is really getting on my nerves as I get older.

                I like an old anarchist Spanish phrase (I think) written on an old cup of my mother’s here that says “Dejá vivir, carajo!” Roughly “Let live, dammit!”?

                I’d like to attend your classes. Must be fun indeed.

              • candlelight says:


                You posit that “some things are best left to….That which organizes the jungle”.

                Papa Bush disagreed:

                “…We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations, a New World Order, a world where the rule of Law, not the law of the Jungle , governs the conduct of Nations….”


                Okay, so he was off by a few million casualties (and counting) envisioning and orchestrating such forged pursuit….

                An absolute forgery, Papa Bush.

                But, hey, nobody’s perfect!

              • alexandre says:

                Ha ha. When I read “Papa Bush” I knew exactly what you were referring to. Yes, “the law of the jungle” speech. What a leech. The psycho should be thrown from a helicopter on a jungle, like they (or people they trained) used to do to people in “rougue” countries they obliterated like a hobby. He would learn a lot very quickly.

              • candlelight says:

                Too late for the copter ride. Papa Bush is gonesville.

                Throwing people from helicopters – When I was visiting Santiago, a really cool local guy befriended me, we hung out, cycled around, introduced me to his brother, etc. He told me during the Pinochet years, besides appropriating mansions in the high end district, turning them into houses of torture, the regime also enjoyed, just as you say, throwing people out of helicopters. I asked him, how could they do that? Especially turn a house, right in the middle of a community into, essentially, a big torture chamber, before everyone’s eyes? His answer, pure and simple: Arrogance

              • candlelight says:

                Oh, and the nickname my friend and his crowd had back then for Pinochet? Pino-shit.

              • alexandre says:

                Yeah, an interesting and scary story you tell. Indeed, it was beyond atrocious all over Latin America.
                (Apparently Bush Junior said “I wish I could speak Latin so I could talk to those people”).

                Pino-shit, that’s good.

                I think it’s a little bit more than arrogance, though. Insanity, demonic possession, I don’t know. It takes a special kind of creature to torture and throw people from helicopters. And the School of the Americas? There should be more stuff on that. Documentaries and such, because most of what was practiced in these military insanities was trained by them and I heard so little about it.

                I went to Atacama in 2005, passing through Santiago airport and I felt a military presence very strongly there – I don’t know if you felt the same. Scary, and the way the woman said I wouldn’t get in again with my old ID card was very arrogant indeed. Militarily arrogant. I remember also in Buenos Aires some cars with undercover police, just like the “old days”. These dictatorships never ended, they just put on new clothes (democracy clothes) and makeup, but if you push it too much, they appear again.

                Have you seen “La Historia Oficial”? Argentinean must see movie.

                Papa Bush gone, indeed. Someone should throw his bones from a helicopter then. Into the jungle.

              • candlelight says:

                Funny! They should push his bones out one by one using Chief Geronimo’s stolen skull! Might put a smile on it. lol

                I don’t recall much military presence at the airport, itself, in 2009. Although, in Santiago, yes. In fact, my friend and I were coming back into the city from wine country one night, passing near a soccer stadium. We got a whiff of tear gas they were using for crowd control after the game – had to roll up the windows. It really pissed my friend off. So, that kind of shit was still going on. I was there for 10 days, and I heard of another incident with tear gas in a public square. Plus, either police or military had what looked like little mini armored tanks here and there – especially near the Parliament buildings.

                But, outside Santiago all was fine.

                If I ever went back I’d definitely check out Atacama as well as Patagonia.

                I was in Buenos Aires, too, around 2013, though I was completely ignorant and unaware of it’s inglorious past, to put it mildly. Whereas I enjoyed Santiago a lot, Buenos Aires not so much. There was something depressing about it. Maybe it didn’t by any measure live up to its reputation as being the “Paris” of South America. Public spaces were pretty run down, a duel black and white market economy, with intense poverty. I mean, the sidewalks of certain streets were like cardboard cities of the homeless, and these streets being only blocks from a main tourist attraction – such misery hidden just a little out of sight. Nope. I have no interest in returning to Argentina.

                I do want to get to Machu Picchu someday. That’s a bucket list kind of thing.

              • alexandre says:

                Candlelight, I see no reply link anymore so this is for Candlelight.

                Geronimooo, oh yes, sir, now you’re talking.

                Buenos Aires WAS the Paris of SA, but after so many years of shit and rape it turned into that which you saw. Imagine you went to Paris and found the same thing. (Maybe Paris is on the same route actually). They destroyed the railroads, the economy, the people, the culture, everything. We – Argentinean (my family is from there) – never heard of such poverty there, never. It’s unimaginable and only the NWO could turn Buenos Aires into that. IMF and all that same old story, specially because Argentinean are not nice obedient puppies like Brazilian. It was a very politicized culture, and the dictatorship there was just as bad as Chile and Brazil, and all the rest. It’s heart breaking to see Bueno Aires turned to dust like that. Watch, if you want, the old Naomi Klein doc called La Toma (The Take). Good overall picture there, with lots of info missing I’m sure, but still a good reference.


                I don’t want to go there either. I’d cry the whole time.

              • candlelight says:


                I watched The Take (La Toma). It’s too bad I don’t speak Portuguese, because very little of it was in English – only when Naomi or her fellow journalist were narrating, but, nonetheless, it was an interesting piece of history – workers taking the initiative to bring shuttered factories back to life on a true and pure socialist basis. Where, at least at one location, all workers had equal say with equal pay, making decisions by consensus. No wonder the courts shut them down – as that’s the type of situation that would scare the shit out of power structures of all stripes.

                It’s all too obvious the lethal combine of corrupt leadership bedded with the predatory IMF. It would seem it was the beginning of the end the moment Argentinean government accepted this vulture’s lending hand.

                It can only be admired, the shrewd vision of President Juan Perón, when he referred to the IMF as an “imperialist spawn” .

                A quote from the link below:

                “Relations between Argentina and the IMF were strained from the start. The country was not invited to the 1944 Bretton Woods conference that established the IMF and World Bank because it had yet to join the Allies in World War II. In 1946, President Juan Domingo Perón received a letter inviting Argentina to join the Fund. He declined, calling the organization an “imperialist spawn.””

                Absolutely no truer words to describe it.


                So, together with corruption and predatory lending, as if that hadn’t offered enough misery – and apparently it wasn’t enough – you have Argentina and a host of other South American countries taking their murderous marching orders from cherry blossoming D.C. by way of Operation Condor. Talk about the business of naming things…I wonder who the sly asshole was who named this operation? What a clever fuck he must have been. “Condor”. Yup, one more example of rapacious Vulturism, courtesy, ultimately, of whom, I wonder?…. Who are they? At the very tippy top of the triangle with the all seeing eye, that is?

              • candlelight says:

                Or, is that one too many layers of the onion to bother with?

        • manbearpig says:

          Hey Camille, I didn’t mean to abscond with and alter your original idea. I’m sorry if that was the end effect of all my blathering about Poppy Crum and Co. You’re focussing more on the following aren’t you?:

          “…The ear is like a biological equivalent of a USB port. It is unparalleled not only as a point for “writing” to the brain, as happens when our earbuds transmit the sounds of our favorite music, but also for “reading” from the brain. Soon, wearable devices that tuck into our ears—I call them hearables—will monitor our biological signals to reveal when we are emotionally stressed and when our brains are being overtaxed. When we are struggling to hear or understand, these devices will proactively help us focus on the sounds we want to hear. They’ll also reduce the sounds that cause us stress, and even connect to other devices around us, like thermostats and lighting controls, to let us feel more at ease in our surroundings. They will be a technology that is truly empathetic..

          …Future hearables will use software to translate fluctuations in these fields at different frequencies into electroencephalograms (EEGs) with millisecond resolution. Decades of research have helped scientists draw insights into a person’s state of mind from changes in EEGs. …The vagus nerves are among a dozen major cranial nerve pairs. They run from the brain to the stomach, one on each side of the body, with branches that go through the skin near the nerve that carries the sensory information from the inner ear to the brain. Doctors stimulate these nerves electrically to treat epilepsy and depression, and researchers are testing such stimulation for the treatment of heart problems, digestive disorders, inflammation, and other mental and physical maladies…

          …Another, perhaps thornier, challenge involves mental health. Because hearables can monitor our internal states, tomorrow’s hearables will learn things about us that we may not know—or even be prepared to know.
          For example, research by IBM found that an algorithm could predict the likelihood of the onset of psychosis within five years and diagnose schizophrenia with up to 83 percent accuracy simply by analyzing certain components of someone’s speech. But what would a hearable—perhaps one bought simply to improve hearing in restaurants and keep an eye on the user’s blood pressure—do with that kind of information? A hearable that listens to its owner for weeks, months, or years will have deep insight into that person’s mind. If it concludes that someone needs help, should it alert a family member, physician, or even law enforcement?”

          • manbearpig says:

            What do earbuds that can directly titillate your vagus nerve, such as the ones being promoted in Camille’s denunciatory link make you think of??

            “What could possibly go right?”

            Yea, thanks Mr. Pilato!

            From an age old 2004 scientific article:

            “…Stimulating the vagus nerve: memories are made of this

            Psychobiologists show how the vagal pathway links hormones outside the brain to neurotransmitters inside the brain to lock in memory of emotional or stressful events.

            By RACHEL ADELSON

            April 2004

            University of Virginia psychologists have moved the science of memory forward, reporting that stimulating the vagus nerve, which carries sensory messages to and from the brain, releases the neurotransmitter norepinephrine into the amygdala, strengthening memory storage in limbic regions of the brain that regulate arousal, memory and feeling responses to emotionally laden stimuli.

            Their findings, which appear in the February issue of Behavioral Neuroscience (Vol. 118, No. 1), outline the neural pathway through which hormones that are released in the body affect specific parts of the brain during meaningful or emotionally arousing events in order to strengthen memories that will later foster sentimental pleasure or torture us with relived trauma…

            …”It had always been puzzling how the peripheral release of epinephrine could have these central effects on memory,” says John Disterhoft, PhD, editor of Behavioral Neuroscience and a neurobiologist at Northwestern University. “This work helps us to understand how arousal responses in the body periphery, such as fight or flight, affect the brain–which they must if they are going to enhance learning as much as they are known to do.”

            Armed with these new insights, scientists can now more carefully calibrate how they stimulate the vagus nerve to influence the release of norepinephrine, flood the amygdala and strengthen memory. Or they can pursue more efficient blockers to shut out intrusive memories…”


            …sweet dreams are made of these?……zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          • Camille says:

            Oh, manbearpig. I really appreciate everywhere you went with this! I’m taking it all in. Thank you!!

            • manbearpig says:

              No! Honestly, thank You! This is a wealth of stuff for my English classes. (I’m afraid of becoming the PR department for this group.) There’s the guy who wants to zap bad memories and “boost” good ones that I’ll definately be reading about on their site, but in the meantime I stumbled across this description of how smartphones will be used to, ahem, prevent depression:

              “…Picard is working on a system that will send people alerts about moods that are on the way, like a gathering storm — along with suggestions for ways to intervene.

              “I’ll glance at my phone and it says: ‘40 percent chance your stress is going to be higher, 20 percent chance you’re going to be sick, 40 percent chance your mood is going to drop,’” Picard says. “We also hope to give data-driven recommendations of things they might consider doing if they want to change the weather forecast: ‘Go to bed two hours early. Get some sunshine and an hour of walking. Reach out to one of these friends who usually cheers you up.’”

              Mindstrong has forged partnerships with health-care providers and academic researchers to study thousands of patients, each carrying cell phones outfitted with Mindstrong’s app. The app will allow researchers to use the phone’s microphones, keyboards, and location functionality to measure how quickly people respond to text messages, how fast or slow they type, the force with which they hit the keys, and their patterns of late-night texting and browsing.

              The researchers will also be able to see the individual words people send in text messages — but not groups of words or phrases. “If you type, ‘I love you,’ we will have ‘I’ and ‘love’ and ‘you’ in some pool of thousands and thousands of words,” Insel says. “If you type ‘love’ 16 times a day, I’ll know that, but I won’t know it was connected to I and you” — or even preceded by the word “don’t.” The team will refrain from gathering strings of words, he says, because “it’s creepy for someone to be looking at your email or your text messages.” Similarly, he says, they won’t use the phone’s microphone or camera to analyze the way people speak or look because users are likely to find this invasive…”

              -this dopamine addicted cyborg signing out now. Until next time…

              p.s.: “I don’t want reality, I want Magic!” Everyman’s become Blanche Dubois locked in a Skinner box…? and Everymanbearpig too!? 😯

  3. manbearpig says:

    Boy that Whitney Webb sure is impressive! Old school, deeply researched journalism, like Mr. Corbett! Have to monitor her stuff more closely…

  4. scpat says:

    In fact, the Times article goes out of its way to stress that the “Mighty Wurlitzer” was only directed abroad, not at the American public…It then presents a limited hangout argument that some of the agency’s foreign propaganda may have been “accidentally” relayed back to American media by “unwitting” correspondents abroad, thus propagandizing the American public (which totally wasn’t the CIA’s intention, guys!).

    CIA’s Misleading Tactics
    Santa Cruz Sentinel, September 22, 1981

    Now along comes Bill Casey, the doddering CIA director, with the argument that the government has the right to mislead the public by planting phony stories in the press.

    Legal experts have warned that the CIA is forbidden by law from conducting operations within the United States and that disinformation aimed at the American public, therefore, would be illegal. But Casey has found a way that he thinks the CIA can get around the law. The disinformation will be planted with foreign news bureaus whose stories are routinely picked up by U.S. newspapers.

    Thus the phony stories may be concocted by the CIA dissemblers in McLean, Va., but will reach the American audience circuitously through foreign sources. Casey believes this deception does not violate the restrictions against domestic operations.

  5. bladtheimpaler says:

    What can I say other than say no more and post this from a comment on Steve Guinness’ blog on all things monetary and global and a diagram of the CFR/TLC’s media influence….

    I imagine the CIA et al also takes a guiding (hidden) hand from these special ‘clubs.’

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      Bladtheimpailer ; I had never noticed the CFR logo. The banner says Ubique; which means omnipresent. That says it all.

  6. zyxzevn says:

    Trudeau government announces all media companies in Canada will need a license. No more free press in Canada.

      • generalbottlewasher says:

        Z-man, a rose by any other name still smells like Fascism. This is full of Fascist thorns. This is what Fascism looks like . I have an idea why people cannot see Fascists for what they are. You found a good example here.

        • wylie1 says:

          Fascism = Corporatism
          If I recall correctly Mussolini who supposedly coined the term Fascism later stated that Corporatism was a more accurate(or telling) term. Something I had no idea they were similar or the same until reading that.

          • Duck says:

            Fascism is corporatism… however mussolini called it a leftist ideology, as a former socialist his system is mostly a nationalized version of international socialism with a rich private property owning class rather then a rich managerial class.
            ‘Paypal is an ethical company”

            • manbearpig says:

              A company, like Paypal, “following the fascist model” is reprehensible.


              Individual people should follow their own fascist (ethical) model…

              What exactly is corporate personhood…?

              (I’d been wondering about that years back and then got distracted…)

              This is a thought-provoking video, thank you.

              One might argue that like the christian baker who refuses to make cakes for homosexual weddings

              Paypal is exercising its right to transact according to its principles.

              And all you can do about it is to abstain from transacting with Paypal… or “go to war with them” as if against the nazis…

              Google, I suppose, announced its “ethical” nature when it adopted the logo “don’t be evil”…

              hmmmmmmmmmmm, hamsterwheel calling but

              Thanks for this breakfast sustenance to chew on as I head off to work for my Saturday morning “teaching” adventures…

              • manbearpig says:

                “…abstain from transacting with Paypal… or “go to war with them” as if against the nazis”…

                which for them could be construed as one and the same thing… and they might act accordingly…

  7. manbearpig says:

    Well, pant gasp wheeze… just made it through Camille’s Neo-life kick-off talkathon (linked above somewhere)…

    I would highly recommend wading through it…

    if just to get an idea of the mentality and aspirations of the Stanford et al Beautiful People – the bio-hackers, and neuro-sensors demiurges of the synthesized, bio-edited universe all more Olympian, hip and charismatic than the one before!

    They make Kurtzweil and Musk look frumpy and old-fashioned.

    Black Mirror looks like BAU. Facial Recognition and RFID chipping is small time. We’re talking ambient infrared thermal sensors revealing your every emotion and intention. “And that’s not necessarily bad!”

    In fact they DO occasionally give lip service to the “risks” and “ethical concerns”- Poppy Crum recounted a closed-door science meeting she attended where a couple of scientists there, when they realized how their work could be “co-opted” literally ran out of the room and got immediately onto planes; which she deemed a tad excessive. But those who remain in the room basically brush all that off with a “We’re ‘moving ahead regardless’ so we’ll just put in the best safety mechanisms we can come up with” “life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate so”…

    but not if they have their way! Our otherwise dark empty brains (as described by one of the pundits) will be kept alive with viruses (much more cost-effective than keeping the whole body alive that way) and hooked up to systems “piping the world into them”, receiving stimuli and synthesized experiences long after our bodies are dead…

    B2B and B2C don’t mean the same things to these folks: read ‘brain to brain’ and ‘brain to computer’ interfaces.

    They want to know others’ genuine motivations before engaging and consider that language is a bad way to gauge that… For them, the Singularity is when all our brains are fused into a single mind.

    HG Wells is offered as an example of how science is inspired by art, namely the Atom bomb (with no mention of course of HG Wells’ eugenical bent)…

    They are sure of themselves and make such proclamations as “at some point before death people will have to decide if they just want to go into nothingness or be hooked up to a system”. (I’d really like to where they got that implaccable inside info about post-mortal “nothingness”…)


    In an effort to explain that natural biological systems are better than human sociological systems which are based on domination she cried out

    “There is no Climate Change without people extracting things out of the ground”… scientists… scientists??

    And they all seem to be pumped up on something like soldiers into war… that occasionally resembles… giggly, wild-eyed cognitive dissonance…

    and the “fait accompli” imposition of these technologies “just makes people get used to them.”

    -“biology is more complicated than we want”
    -“we must fight against the universe”

    Oh, and I can’t forget the lavishly lauded lab-meat buffet…

    so much more to say about this video but hamsterwheel…nearing 500 words anyway…

    • alexandre says:

      Thank you MBP for that review. It’s much better than watching those psychomaniacal demented children vomiting their coolness around. I really couldn’t stand it for more than 7 minutes. They just do that because there’s no one around to slap them in the face saying “On your bike!” Nobody does anything, so they – and so many others – will go on forever until they’re swimming happily on an ocean of blood and regulated body parts.

      -“we must fight against the universe”

      Really? They said that for real? I don’t know if there’s a cure for mass psychosis, and it’s getting beyond scary.

      • manbearpig says:

        Ok. So I coughed up my undigested impressions knowing that if I didn’t do it right then, I’d never do it. Yes, that’s a disclaimer.

        -“we must fight against the universe”

        Really? They said that for real?…”

        Allow me to put those paraphrased words into a more faithfully transcripted context; At 1:30:31 the “investor, author and eminense grise” (their mis-spelling of the word “eminence”) says:

        “…The notion of power versus order is a really important question, and I think that one of the wonderful things about biology is it allows us to create order in a universe that is full of entropy. So everything out there wants to tear you apart. Everything out there wants to destroy you. You put a human body anywhere but Earth almost and you’re dead. And biology is a way of fighting back against entropy. It’s a way of fighting back against disorder. It’s a way of applying power to fight against the universe in a really interesting way…”.

        I would really need to listen to this whole shebang again. The whole 1 hour and 42 minutes of it… I simply spat out the remnants of the formidable impressions I had listening to these people. My emotions certainly coloured their words and deformed their intentions.

        …but he did begin by opposing the notions of Power and Order and then expresses his vision of biology as a power or means of creating order, so making them allies. He sees biology as a weapon to be wielded against entropy and the universe that is fundamentally hostile.

        I’m curious as to HOW he wants to wield biology to fight against the universe… I suppose I should read his books. I hope the spelling therein is better than the “eminense grise” used to describe the man. But that’s just the snobby English teacher spouting off… actually not very good at spelling anymore myself…

        • alexandre says:

          “My emotions certainly coloured their words and deformed their intentions.”

          No they absolutely did not. Your summarization (?) was perfect. These are truly mad people. They are truly, factually, empirically, clearly, actually insane, mentally (and otherwise) disturbed people – and in a group (hence mass psychosis) and an ever increasing group. They are institutionally deranged way beyond repair. This is not a “way of saying”, this is actual fact. These people should be locked up in some [big] place where they could do no harm to others, and then babbling about idiocies like power and order would be just interesting and maybe even funny to watch from a safe distance. That they are out there, free to come and go, making money from their lunacy, being funded and influencing the lives of everyone else is not only an unimaginable insanity, but also a clear portrait of our collective insanity, which is so great, also institutionalized and old that we can’t even perceive it. And this “we” I use here is also a sign of that lunacy, for there is no “we” that can be applied to the planet. This artificial global “we” they created is also part of the lunacy and of what allows it to go on. I wouldn’t be so disturbed by things like that if it was one or two times. It’s all the time, everywhere, anywhere like a metastasis of the worse aggressive cancer. This LIFE bullshit is just yet one more tentacle of this creature. Knowing about it is good to have a picture, but going too deep in it – reading their books, analyzing their quasi-coherent gibbering etc – is a waste of time and dangerous. You can start thinking they are making any sense. God forbid, you can start thinking like them and before you know it you get a job at an advertising agency.

          Sorry, I went too long again.

          • alexandre says:

            And while these lunatics parade their cool garments, the great drummer Jimmy Cobb (in Miles Davis’ band 58-63 / Wes Montgomery 62-69) is asking for money at the end of his life. That’s how inverted life became thanks to technomotherfuckers like that.

            If anyone can/wants to help, here’s the link:

            • generalbottlewasher says:

              Taking a ” Que” from quick-draw first impression French trimera,You got a big brain and a big heart! Like that gent from Texas who we haven’t heard from. That was smart and a kind thing to say.

              • alexandre says:

                Sorry. Would you run that by me again? “quick-draw first impression French trimera” escapes me completely, sorry. And who’s the gent from Texas?

                (I sound British saying “sorry” so much).

              • generalbottlewasher says:

                Ok I was having linguistics lingo fun. The Greek monster Chimeras, composed of parts of more than one animal. ManBearPig is a tri-meras , also known for the quick drawing, like a gunfighter, of observations that supersede intellect and hit the target most accurately. I enjoyed your comment so much and appreciated your kindness to Cobb so much I responded much before I thought it out. The Que is from theatrical flair caused by too many Polars, Kronenberg 1664s,Red Stripes and Bohemias consumed , burp…
                At lunch. I have tried to find a way to flush the thought of those incredibly Nazi Americans from my mind as of late. Its so depressing to see ones country turning into the nothing…

              • pearl says:

                Mind if I take a stab at it? You’re smart like the quick-draw first impressionist French trimera, ManBearPig as well as kind like the gent from Texas, HomeRemedySupply (who’s been absent from these parts the last week or so [hopefully he’s just busy and remains in excellent health]).

                Thanks for the heads-up on Mr. Cobb, Alexandre. It’ll be an honor to help.

              • pearl says:

                Ah darn it. GBW beat me to it…I swear his response wasn’t there when I logged in…

              • alexandre says:

                Well, thank you Pearl and GBW, I get it now. And thanks for the nice words – and for helping Jimmy Cobb. He was one of the most swinging drummers of all times, and the drummer on the best selling jazz album of all times (Miles’ “Kind of Blue”). Once I suggested to a friend in arms if maybe that trio (Cobb, Paul Chambers and Wynton Kelly) were not more swinging than the most famous kitchen behind Miles that came after (Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter and Tony Williams) and my friend agreed that it was arguable. His work with Montgomery is also legendary to me and to see him in this position now just broke my heart, specially because I’m not in a much better position to help. Maybe I should send the link to James Pilato? It just occurred to me, what do you think? He’s not a jazz man but has a huge musical audience.

                Just to celebrate Mr Cobb…

              • manbearpig says:

                Yea, was wondering where HRS was…

                will take a listen to Mr. Cobb at first coffee break!

              • pearl says:

                “Maybe I should send the link to James Pilato?”

                It’s worth a try: if he gets word out, imagine the response! You’ve got nothing to lose.

                Your link said “Video Unavailable” (?!) yet featured the title, so I found it uploaded by another account:


                Very nice.

          • candlelight says:


            I think mbp clocked these people with ever poignant phraseology:

            “- the bio-hackers, and neuro-sensors demiurges of the synthesized, bio-edited universe…”

            You didn’t go on too long, whatsoever. I just took a peek at the NEO.LIFE kick-off thing, and am disgusted as you are.

            For me, NEO.LIFE is, in reality, a euphemism for no life, or anti-life, or simply plastic life.

            If the NEO.LIFE…wait. I have to mention before continuing, even the name – NEO.LIFE – is as putrefying as it is infuriating!…Anyway, if the NEO.LIFE wizards seem to be making the likes of a Kurzweil, or even a Musk look a bit frumpy, as mbp suggests, they’re really not. They’re proteges. They are literally carrying on the very complex and intricate study and experimentation in the actual, real development, no matter how they want to slice it, of trans-humanism, as envisioned by the concept’s brainchild, Ray Kurzweil, and, in turn, commercially objectified, in whatever current form of feasible economic application, by the Musks of the world.

            Whatever this process represents in terms of some kind of supposed evolution, the bottom line is, the merging of synapse with the manipulative use of microprocessors, for purposes of learning and understanding vis-a-vis such advanced and intergral bio-feedback, still remains a limited and mechanical process. The reality of which pales woefully against much grander, neo visions.

            What’s scary about these individuals, is that in some strangely, mercurially blind-sided sense, rather than living, rather than accepting the experience of a rose, as a rose, real, whole and fragrant, it would do perfectly well in their future world for a microprocessor enhanced olfactory sensor, twined and tweaked for maximum dopamine expression, designed to “recognize” the digitally copied synthesized version of a rose, happy enough as they would be to do so, in a world where roses no longer grow, if extant and eternal, within their integrated, manufactured existence….

            Personally, I much prefer the idea of dying and turning to dust, the rose upon my casket.

            • alexandre says:

              O ye, no doubt. “Dejá vivir, carajo” goes the line. I sit on some corner on my garden and just watch. Grass, trees, birds, sky etc. It’s just perfect. The most beautiful things are created without creation or planning. No one there, and yet (because of that), perfect. Then these dumb egomaniacs come to screw it all up.

              But reading your post I was thinking of something I saw from John Oliver (Last Week Tonight – don’t ask me how I was watching that – I’m having some sort of nostalgic TV attack lately) about Miss America Pageant.


              At some point he shows the early days of this thing and, lo and behold, one of the features was “format of cranium” – or something like that. Well, if that’s not eugenics! So a lot of times we go all over just to end up on the same place; eugenics. Everything related to technology, transhumanism, Technocracy, Rockefeller medicine, Musk, Google, everything, if we lose the cosmetics and superficial changes over the years, can be linked back to eugenics, and this neolife thing must be on the same track. It’s as if we didn’t move one meter since the late 1800s and these idiots are still at it. Talk about Groundhog Day. I think Nietzsche was not correct. God didn’t die, he went insane. We must cure him. Quickly.

              • manbearpig says:

                Well Mr Alexander, your point is well taken and I shall take a look at your Jon Oliver link BUT I cannot watch this pundit without recalling how suavely and effectively he inserts the poison into his nectar of truth at 15:05 of this previously posted Last Week Tonight episode about Scientific Studies:


                “…if we start thinking that science is à la carte and that if you don’t like one study, don’t worry, another one will be along soon that is what leads people to think that man-made climate change isn’t real, or that vaccines cause autism both of which the scientific consensus is pretty clear on…”

                Never underestimate the insidious and propagandistic power of the one who can tickle your funnybone…

                in this era where people get their news and form their opinions based on the gatekeeping WMDs of these wildly charismatic and seemingly innocuous Jons.

              • manbearpig says:

                I know, I know, I’m such a killjoy…

              • alexandre says:

                Oh, absolutely. No killjoy at all, come on. In fact that is the constant sine qua non in all of them. They almost say something only to use it to reinforce the king’s version of reality, which is, I’m noticing in this TV mainstream flu I got recently, the most unanimous thing I ever saw. They are more “together” than the Count Basie big band. They remind me of the North Korean army, those blocks of people that you can’t distinguish, more organized and trained than ants. (Curiously they think they’re divided into democrats and republicans). From this idiot to Billy Connolly, from the bassist that plays with me to Herbie Hancock, from Tierra del Fuego to Greenland, from vice to versa, every single one of them thinks exactly the same thing and, what is even more scary, in the same way. It’s a religious fundamentalist global multi-cultural multi-class inclusive army that makes this comment section look precisely like Winston in his room. Perhaps worse.

                No, there is no value to be extracted there, just the quick video of the old pageant Miss America and the eugenic “cranium” thing.

                Yesterday was the Oscars – I watched a lot of “monologues” from many years (Steve Martin, Billy Crystal etc). Now I think I’m done. Back to work.

              • candlelight says:

                Back to work? What, me work? (Maynard G. Krebs)….May as well add that character to your TV land nostalgia schmoozing…that is, before kicking your new found, nasty habit for good. 🙂

                As for the cranium thing, the “head construction” model of beauty, well, I guess there’s nothing like a good old fashioned tape measure to inform the beholder what’s what…. You know, I know I like my women constructed in just the right way, because the proper erection is important….


                Where were we? The garden thing. Nature. Learning from nature without the human meddling. Peace. A moment for oneself. Take a breath. Sitting quietly at the corner of the garden, man.

                Fuck ’em.

                At least you know, as well as I, they can’t take that away. No matter how hard they try. The knowledge and the understanding.

                Be good.

              • alexandre says:

                They can’t take what they don’t understand or see, that’s for sure.

                “I like my women”..ha ha. What a line (if I understand it correctly). Man, that reminded me of MY women, long long ago. And “the look”. You say something outside the norms and….”the look”. The look can melt your head like the nazi in the Indiana Jones film, but they want even more empowerment. From my experience women wanting empowerment is like Rothschild wanting more money, but I understand my experience is not the norm. I was raised in the 60s by strong bourgeois angry feminists, so a line like that could give you … “the look”.


              • candlelight says:

                Oh, man….From “…strong bourgeois angry feminists…”, I read “militaristic”.

                “Militarism” and “Feminism”…. Though you say long, long ago, please check for PTSD!

                Is there a more lethal combo than that, brother?


                Trump at the helm of a B-52?


              • alexandre says:

                Ha, Trump at the helm of Volkswagen would be enough.
                Well, not militaristic, no. In fact we were all anti-military with all strengths. There was a lot of respect. They were just ferocious feminists, as I think many were in the 60/70s. Respect for women, races, old people etc, respect for the individual, civilization, [old] Europe, lots of things I miss a lot – except “the look”.

                An aside…In an interview Eric Idle (Monty Python) recounts that they decided not to do a film about Jesus because the man actually said good things, and he says “I must be an individual”, and that was a nostalgic moment. That was indeed a moto back then. Argentinean used to openly discuss politics on the streets, jazz clubs, people smoke, many signs of at least an attempt at a civilized…society, I guess. Now it’s all gone and I see a lot of what we here would call “propaganda” against all that, like the hippies were this and that, the 70s this and that, Jung was a nazi, so I don’t know. Maybe I shouldn’t reveal so much about miself.

                God save the UN!

              • candlelight says:

                That’s exactly right. There is a lot of dissing of 60’s counter-culture going on, and some of it I find not only revealingly ignorant, but something much more insidious – not necessarily an insidiousness emanating from the speakers themselves, as they’re simply parroting what they’re hearing. Really troublesome, is the idea that there’s a conscious source of the bullshit, a dispersal of crap at a think-tank quality level of sophistication – a spewing of twisted, adulterated narratives from a cadre of propagandists extraordinaire. Whatever it is that’s going on, feeds on, as well as nurtures distrust. I mean, that’s the bottom line, and it’s unfortunate that it sounds formulaic. “Nurtures distrust”. I’m wondering how. How is it doing that? If they can undermine the meaning of your past, maybe the mistrust starts inside. If they can alter the narrative, and alter your historical perspective, they can alter who you think you are, and in that sense, strip away your self-meaning, if what you thought was cool and real, was just some sort of state sponsored subterfuge. It also leaves you feeling nauseated at the thought of the bullshit that’s being pumped around.

                Revealing too much about yourself – if it’s coming from a good place, or if it feels cathartic, it might not be too much. Personally, I think what you have to reveal is valuable. Not always, but often, my own inner belief system, or whatever it is, is awakened and validated, and even if it’s mental flash, the lingering effect is healing. It’s a good thing.

                Don’t stop. 🙂

              • alexandre says:

                Yep, Candlelight. I agree, BUT…I need to admit some things for ballance. Desmystification is not always bad. It hurts, but if we want to learn, we must ne open and bite the bullet(?) Some things are too far out and some times fascistic, but works like David McGowan’s make a lot of sense. My sister didn’t want to hear about it because it would destroy her “beliefs”, if that’s the word, on the whole hippie thing that we loved so much. In the jazz field something similar happened to me. Miles Davis great quartet of the 64-67 times (Tony Williams, Ron carter, Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter) was like Valhalla to us. Recently I found an old jazz master I never heard of before. Barry Harris. He taught many of the greats and so he knows what he’s talking about, for real. Well, after saying many things I loved to hear and agreed completely, he destroyed my Gods. Coltrane too. Some friends disregarded him – for the same reason, not to have their beliefs destroyed – but I decided do listen, since he was indeed a master in the field. What he said about my Gods is very similar to what I myself say about the current “jazz scene”, so maybe, just maybe, that Miles Davis cult (which it was really) came to divert or corrupt jazz in some sense. What is jazz, then – I asked myself. Is it his “opinion” or is it the same that I feel about today, and so on. I had to admit that, even though being a very high level music, it was a cult and I did fall for it. Obsessed with Herbie Hancock all my life I almost lost the other greats pianists like McCoy Tyner or Cedar Walton. Thinking about this cult thing I started understand something. So the substances that are valuable – freedom, individuality, respect etc – ok, but if something becomes a cult, like much of the 60s groups also were, we have to throw it out, listen to McGowan’s points and think if we didn’t fall for the advertising of the time. Am I contradicting myself? I hope not.

              • candlelight says:


                McGowan’s depiction of Laurel Canyon was in the back of mind my mind, so, yes, you read me right.

                He’s an interesting writer, I’ll grant you that. What’s most interesting to me is his characterization of 9/11 almost immediately following the event. The details of his analysis and discernment so soon after is very impressive:

                “Welcome To The New And Improved Police State”


                I find his article uncanny, given that he wrote it on September 12th!

                But, as prescient as this article on 9/11 is, I just can’t buy into his portrait of Laurel Canyon, where he’s painted way too many lines between dots that however odd, or – to use the expression again – uncanny, don’t necessary equate or resonate to the level of significance which he’s attached to them. In other words, he read too much into various relationships, chronologies, and paths crossed, drawing a multitudinous number of conclusions that, hey, you know, could be true – who’s to say? – or off the mark, entirely. Which, I’m of the opinion, much of it is.

                But, that’s me. I like to think that a lot of what I go by is a combination of gut, feeling, and intuition. And, I’ll admit, sometimes I come up short. At times, I’m stymied and find it hard to get a handle on something.

                With Laurel Canyon, yeah, I can see how the CIA or FBI or any other agencies, known or unknown, would want to wrap their testicles, er, tentacles, around this scene, get an undercover handle on it, surveille it, etc., But, I’ll be damned if they were a driving force, let alone, a creative force. The spooks weren’t writing the songs, the artists weren’t “agents”; and I don’t care if Colby ordered a million tabs of acid. If he did, he made a very bad f**king mistake. Doubtful the intel agencies knew, that if this was what they were doing, the mindset they were creating would effectively end the country’s ability to wage another draft war like Vietnam. Since Vietnam, or maybe Korea, the military has been an enlisted one.
                But, eventually, a great deal of it on the ground, will be robotic.

                More this this, but where am I on the 500 mark?

                I hear the sheriff’s back in town. 🙂

              • candlelight says:


                I’m not familiar with jazz very much, which I think I had mentioned at one point. But, it’s funny that one of my first introductions to listening to it was Coltrane, and to this day, it’s his style of jazz that I enjoy the most. And I like Miles Davis, too. I can see where that amount of talent could be cult forming. And, maybe, as I think you’re implying, it could be to the detriment of other expressive forms/musical styles.

                If it becomes a cult, and you’re in doubt, cut it out?

                Is not The Corbett Report a bit on the cult side?

                Just kidding! Just kidding!


              • alexandre says:

                McGowan could be reading too much, absolutely. To me it made sense because I’m a living manifestation of that level of mind control. I speak (sometimes think in) English, I wanted to be American, tried to live in NY and failed, all my heroes are American (some European), I heard all the time how Americans do everything better, bigger, the serious pros up there and so on. Women always hot for Emerson (Lake&Palmer), or Fonda, Brando or Nicholson, and ALL my life we watched TV, records and movies like drugs. You see, I end up like a sampler – who imitates the guru perfectly. I play jazz “like a native”, I played bowling, snooker, we all smoke etc. The whole hippie era, in fact my whole existence has been a perenial cult of worship to the superior Northern Gods, so you see how McGowan makes sense, and I would even say he didn’t go far enough. He himself left it open. I go “YES” because I’m the evidence. Put McGowan together with “The Minds of Men” and you see how far it can go. Spooks didn’t write tunes, as Spielberg doesn’t do the photography. They hire talents for that. At least at the beginning. Not many celebrities played shit and the session musicians is a known story, even with the Beatles. The rest you leave it for the psychology to do its thing. Then the real talents start to come in – Joplin, Hendrix – and you have the “real” thing going. It makes sense. The period McGowan points out is before the official start of the movement.

                You joke about Corbett, but I question myself a lot. Am I really interested or this is just another manifestation of the program? Somewhere I can exchange with real northern beings in English – how cool am I. You know? The format is perfect for a cult – Master throws a subject and followers follow (and comment). We and Corbett don’t let it become a cult, but it could well be because of the format alone. You can’t “talk to” 50.000 people. Corbett mentioned my comment about the State of the Union address and I felt like “hey, papa looked at me!”. Why should I feel good because the sheriff noticed my comment? This thing is very very deep, man, and I’m an exception because I’m aware of it. Most of the people I know are oblivious.

                The jazz stuff was an example of questioning something sacred. The music should be the focus, not the personalities, but the jazz history is also filled with propaganda – record companies, album covers etc – so it’s yet another thing that became a cult. Maybe a connection between the jazz story and McGowan’s stuff would be an idea. It was one giant project. Dizzy Gillespie actually said that they (him and Charlie Parker) were being paid by the government to travel around the world spreading American culture. (Gong!)

              • candlelight says:

                Would it be wrong to say that South America was for decades, culturally subject to American propaganda, which may have given rise to the phenomenological worship of phantasmagorical “Northern Gods”, whose mythology, I suppose, may have never really become manifest in NY, and before long, a sense of failure was more likely due to the disappointment of a propagandized expectancy never having actually materialized, than anything else?

                “The best good-will propaganda is to sell South America to North America ~ Orson Welles


                And, conversely, propaganda of ill-will would be the opposite, no? The selling of North America to South America?

                Ceding to this manifest destiny, succumbing to and engulfed within a manufactured aura of demoralization, comes an art subsumed as second-hand and second-rate – art by imitation – dominated by the gods of primacy…. The worshiped owns the art – and holding up the mirror, you abide its reflection. You own its mirage, and this mirage owns you….

                And, hence, your sublimation to the Northern gods.

                So says candlelight, the newly minted armchair psychologist,….who offers in advance, his all too meager and humble apologies.

                But, I don’t see the Northern Music Gods and Gurus – the primal original – as anything other than the result of a much more organic system, the fruit of a mutually spontaneous cultural development, and not a manufactured and manipulated tool, directed and controlled by the overlords of some singular, ideological fascism. At least, not up until and including the mid to late 60’s. Beyond that point in time, control and manipulation was more about hyper-monetization and marketization, equaling commercialization, which was to become a very apparent and dominant trend. Exploitative commercialization is the fascism of our time. The 50 year march of “science capitalism” culminating in the present day, is about as full on, and bone chilling, as any system of totalitarianism could ever be. And I thank you for the link, btw, to Shoshana Zuboff’s lecture…. Yes, I know what you were saying about some of the emphasis she placed on climate crisis, but, that doesn’t cloud (ha ha, no pun intended), nor should it put a damper on her exposé of the what and the how and the when of Google and Facebook, et al, and the ubiquity of their human sovereignty wrecking modalities.

                Getting back to Laurel Canyon and David McGowan, I can understand that from your perspective, as a South American, it making sense, empirically, that overlords of imperialism were perhaps pulling the strings and manipulating behavioral trends, being that you were a target, literally, of their propaganda. They, indeed, were and are busily “selling” the “American way of life” to foreign audiences, including the cultural scene. It’s like, if you’re going to sell something, you might as well manufacture it!….

                And, here I am closing in on 500, and I haven’t even so much as dipped a little toe into these murky waters….

              • alexandre says:

                Wow, I’ll take a closer look at the link later, but already…holly shit.

                I can’t go so deep and detailed in the analysis for lack of mental order, but what you say sounds very good. What is pretty obvious is that everything here is a copy of the occupying force (which is actually TPTSB with an American style), and unconsciously so, painted with a patriotic veneer. Surface structure and deep structure, borrowing terms from chomskian linguistics again. The surface structure is “Brazil, samba, Pelé, Bacurau”, and the deep structure is “America” (or “Europa”, or “Technocracy”). It has to be this way for it to work. People think they’re independent, free and…”no one is more hopelessly enslaved…etc”. In France I noticed a big difference of how life is with and without this thing under your skin. People seem to have a little bit of self-determination, as well as alternatives, free will. I remember my friend cellist saying “I don’t want to work with orchestras, I prefer smaller jobs…” and I thought “You…prefer??” Man, I wish I could “prefer” something. Here it’s “I got this job for 400 bucks, you want it?” and you reply “yeeeessss, pleeaaaase!!” That was Paris some 10 years ago and not everyone is a cellist, but there’s a pressure here that isn’t there, similar to what Miles said about playing in Europe. But what America? The white, the black, the immigrant, the city, the country? Too many Americas, so I think we mean the government, which is not America – and maybe the CIA, which isn’t even the government. The CIA destroys a country and the Americans take the blame. In any case at the end you have this copy thing, which brings with it a furious contempt for anything local. Samba was distorted. Jobim is jazz with a 2/4 rhythm. Choro…
                …is real and almost classical music, but it’s there in some cultural corner, as is most of the authentic folklore, which city people usually hate. They can chant “Brasil” as much as they want. The deep structure comes from “above”.

                McGowan: I maintain that they did start the movement as he suggests and soon after it was taken by the real talents and it went off as a spontaneous thing, and real. I don’t believe in spontaneous popular manifestations except in very few cases – like Cochabamba revolting against Bechtel, which surprised even the leader of the movement. Overall it always starts on some ad agency desk. Why don’t we play polkas here? Because it didn’t play it on TV and films. They could make us all play polkas in months if they wanted, with everyone thinking it’s the coolest thing on Earth. It always comes from above, always controlled and/or managed.

                The issue gets bigger and bigger and further away from my capacities.

              • alexandre says:

                “Because it didn’t play it on TV and films.”


                Because they didn’t play it on TV and films.


                Because it didn’t play on TV and films.


              • candlelight says:

                Like the age old question about the chicken and the egg, I’m asking myself, hmm, I wonder what came first, Choro or the flute? Thank you for the introduction.

                The residents of Cochabamba are a feisty bunch. You referenced their protests against Bechtel, but there are the very recent protests this past November:


                In a similar vein, I have a lot of respect for the EZLN – Zapatista Army of National Liberation. They have a keen understanding of the “spawning imperialistic” nature of Globalization, and they’ve fought quite a resistance for decades. I first learned of the Zapatistas reading an article by Chris Hedges, who hailed their ingenuity – witnessed by the fact that they’ve survived against the beast, intact. The link below I highly recommend. It’s a fantastic read, and I’d say that the words of Subcomandante Marcos, spokesperson for the Zazpistas, who is featured in the article, completely embodies your understanding of media – how it warps, twists, propagandizes, envelopes and destroys:


                Regarding McGowan and his “Weird Scenes…”, his allegations just don’t sit right with me. It makes me feel uneasy. Yes, maybe it’s the queasiness one would expect to feel to read of McGowan figuratively chopping the canonized heads of idolized music makers, to fill the tangled, traitorous weave of his conspiratorial story basket. I’m sorry, man. I’m siding with your sister on this one, alexandre. Please pass the mustard. 🙂

                I did not read the book, but one detractor who did, was dismayed that McGowan did not include, or attempt to include, any interviews with any of the musicians associated with the Canyon at the time. I think this person has a good point.

                Jakob Dylan, Bob Dylan’s son recently produced a movie about Laurel Canyon – “Echo In The Canyon”. Of course, it is devoid of any mention of McGowan’s book. Dylan does interview some of the now old codgers from that time. One such notable is David Crosby. Crosby, for some odd reason has been vilified in recent years by some darlings of the alt-right. Oh, I forgot. Crosby has had some real bad things to say about Donald Trump. lol I guess that’s stepping on some right wing-tips. Anyway, that’s an aside. What I was going to say is that Crosby, along with everyone else in the movie just doesn’t come across as a bunch of CIA controlled useful idiots manipulated to mold their generational audience per some plan originating in Langley, Virginia.

                It could be, though, that I simply need to read the damned book, however disturbing that might be. Some say it’s a real page turner, which is a good thing, because ordinarily I’m a dreadfully slow reader.

                He’s written in depth on the institutionalized embrace of elite propagated pedophilia. Now, that’s real. And if you read his Wikispooks page, one of McGowan’s later investigations into this realm just may have gotten him killed. I can believe that, too.

                And, I believe I’m pushing 500.

                PS: Read about the Zapatistas! Viva Zapata!

              • alexandre says:

                Cochabamba, just WOW. I didn’t know. Now isn’t it the same as Venezuela with Maduro X Guaidó? As I was reading, the term “interim acting President” stuck out. An epidemic of “Interim”? Something similar with Brazil’s Lula X Bolsonaro – Chomsky said that Lula is the real president. Anyway, it hurts to see that article, but thanks. Zapata, yes, could become a mythological story for the future. I’ll read the article. Thanks for the links.

                McGowan – I accept your position. We’ll never know and you may be right. I just got out of another TV stuff attack – a relapse? – and got so depressed. This time was the Oscars (the monologues by comedians) and David Letterman, interviews with celebrities, Monty Python etc. Went to bed and, before sleeping, came back to watch some more, how about that? Is that addiction? The power of that shit is tremendous, so I can’t help by think McGowan was right, only he didn’t go far enough. I know there’s something wrong with me, but I also know this effect is real in everyone, only they can’t know or admit it because it’s unconscious. It occurred to me that what they manipulate is … love. I fell in love with the US, with New York in particular, with English, jazz and everything else. When I came back from my poor attempt at living there in 87, on the way home I cried, because I “failed to please the King”. From then on it’s been like exile. The Choro link I sent you affected me deeply, because, believe it or not, I know nothing about it and listening to the music examples on those play buttons, recordings of 1919, 1938 etc, I was amazed. I could have been playing that, which has all the elements of jazz – complexity, sophistication, fun, folklore, improvisation etc – but wasted my life getting excellent at something that has more meaning as a picture of an American in exile than anything else. A well trained soldier that was evicted from the battle, something like that. It’s as sad as it’s ridiculous (as my life is), but that’s the power of these things and no wonder they spent so much time, money and resources studying that – only watch “The Minds of Men”. You say that “Crosby, along with everyone else in the movie just doesn’t come across as a bunch of CIA controlled useful idiots manipulated to mold their generational audience per some plan originating in Langley, Virginia.” and interestingly I see the same thing watching the Oscars and Letterman. They’re truly normal and spontaneous. To me that means we need to understand more HOW the manipulation works, the inner workings of that machine (as well as the meaning of the word “unconscious”), otherwise it’s just a tremendous coincidence that the natural spontaneous way people think and live ends up serving so perfectly the big powers that govern the world.

              • candlelight says:

                If the Man had his thumb on the head of the nail you just smacked real hard with your hammer of insights, He’d be crying, and maybe He is crying. (they read this shit, you know)

                Just kidding (well, not really). But, your points are very well taken – about the political modus operandi de jour, the discourse of the political aficionados these days, discussions using the term “interim” for transitional control, sounding very much like the new code word for “regime change” – it’s basically the same shit, just a different day.

                Also, your thoughts about deep seated unconsciousness: We can perhaps dub it the “McGowan Factor” governing social behavior. Maybe it’s as you had mentioned on another post, something to the effect that the Man sort of plants the seeds for His intended results. Can let it grow, sit back and watch, turn a few dials, manipulate content, manipulate advertising – wants and desires, manipulate the news, education, thoughts and understanding, and like you say, if They really get serious, the polka can be the very next “in thing”.

                “…the inner workings of that machine (as well as the meaning of the word “unconscious”), otherwise it’s just a tremendous coincidence that the natural spontaneous way people think and live ends up serving so perfectly the big powers that govern the world.”

                Your words quoted above I think are a key to understanding the “McGowan Factor” – the control and manipulation of social behavior. Understanding what “unconscious” means has everything to do with understanding what the word “machine” implies in terms of “inner workings”. We need to identify and understand the “machine”. We, as human beings are part and parcel of the “inner workings”, we are part of the “machinery”. Unconscious machinery.

                Unfortunately, unconscious machinery is programmable, and can also be run on auto.

                You say you watched the State of the Union Address and more recently the Oscars. I don’t think I’ve listened to a SOTUA since 2002, or 2003. After that it all sounded like excruciating bullshit – not that it was ever anything other than bullshit, but after 2003, after the invasion of Iraq, and the overt, blatant lies associated with it, plus the implicit government connection to 9/11, it’s like ingesting rancid food. I also feel that way about the Oscars, though, perhaps only in the last few years. For me it’s become a pestilence of glitter, a vacuous oasis of crassness, a cult of personality(s) posing as the quintessence of culture…. If somebody rolled a body of a homeless person onto the red carpet on Oscar night, the celebs would still not miss an opportunity to flash a smile into the cameras, even if doing so would necessitate gingerly stepping over or around it.

              • alexandre says:

                Interim as new code for regime change – didn’t think of that, but sounds pretty right.

                The McGovern factor – good one – is of course questionable. I’m open. It’s like the Moon thing. If you watch a NASA/NATGEO documentary, it becomes obvious they did go. When you watch the conspiracy docs, it becomes obvious they didn’t. I go with “they didn’t” because NASA itself says that a) they destroyed the telemetry tapes and b) some astronaut explains that to go to the moon first we need to solve the Van Allen problem (as if Apollo didn’t exist) so thanks to NASA I don’t believe they went. But how can we know? One way would be what Stefan Molyneux said – if a rat goes into a box, then a cat, then the cat comes out and the rat isn’t there anymore, even if we didn’t see it, we know for sure what happened. How people think and behave could be the evidence – and The Minds of Men shows how far it went (I keep referring to that film because it’s deep and difficult to watch – 3+ hours, woof).

                We’re part of the machine – yes. We could say we know all about social behavior, mind control etc, but one thing is to “know” and another is to “know”, if you know what I mean. The details, stuff like A. Sutton, P. Wood, TrutHStreamMedia and Corbett, these guys help us understand the details of HOW these things work more clearly, enough for us to a) have a clear picture and b) get out of unconsciousness and stop being part of the machine, even thought that’s a very low probability. I’m beginning to feel I’d prefer “ignorance is strength” instead of knowing, which is a damnation. Knowing is for the ones who can do something about it. I can’t, so it would be best not to know. But if they say it’s up to us, then I’m lost again. In any case after knowing you can’t de-know, so it’s a useless lament.

                TV, SOTUA, Oscars – yes it’s exactly because of the the quantity, quality and level of the bullshit that it’s so telling about the machine. The fact that it’s there is the first thing. It shouldn’t exist, if philosophical words like life, reality, truth, politics etc were to be taken seriously. If Trump – a 12 years old little bugger with the mentality of an 9 years old – is in the position known as “the most powerful man in the whole world”, that alone is absurdly revealing, that is, IF one has any perception left. Or see Netanyahu at the UN with the cartoon stuff. It’s so bizarre and impossible that I think people just reject it – or, in psychological terms, “repress” it. Like 911, you have in front of you something absolutely impossible, so you a) repress it or b) disregard it and continue as before. Either way it’s an impossible task for the mind, which again suggests great preparation, planning and engineering.

                500 words to the T.

              • candlelight says:

                With first a bit of a snooze, then a large cup of coffee, I sat through just now “The Minds of Men”. It was a very good documentary piece; in fact, it was a very good piecing together of historical facts which clearly is evidenced by the dozens of sources the Dykes used for their research.

                Fortunately, for once, since their sources for the documentary is in the historical record, there’s nothing controversial about it, it’s not so-called conspiracy theory. That is, there’s nothing theoretical about it. What the documentary does do is skillfully highlight a many decades old conspiratorial exercise conducted by the scientific community, in the development of understanding the human brain with the ultimate goal of controlling human behavior on both a individual and mass basis. A conspiracy to do so? Yes. In theory? No. In actuality? Yes.

                At the very end of the documentary, the Dykes leave us with this quote”


                Scheflin & Opton, “The Mind Manipulators” (1978)

                A quote from your above post:

                “Knowing is for the ones who can do something about it. I can’t, so it would be best not to know. But if they say it’s up to us, then I’m lost again. In any case after knowing you can’t de-know, so it’s a useless lament.”

                I say, let us know, and let us resist!

                Getting back to the McGowan Factor, with all that the Dykes documented, I don’t see there being any correlation between the decades long CIA funded brain research and McGowan’s claims of mass control of cultural behavior. Certainly not circa 1966 – 1972?, during the height of Laurel Canyon inspired hippie culture. In fact, I see the direct opposite, I see the brainiacs with white coats and electrodes losing control at that time.

                Though, this not to say they haven’t regained control of the situation in the intervening years, mainly through slick propaganda via media, marketing, television, movies, gaming, school curriculum, etc.

              • candlelight says:


                I watched a documentary about Tom and Dick Smothers. I don’t know if you’ve heard of the 1960’s variety TV show “The Smother’s Brothers”?

                I had watched this show when it aired in my formative years, between the ages 11 – 13. So, it brought back memories. So, this is a behind-the-scenes look at the creative forces. It was thrown off the air after two years, because it rubbed up against the big wig’s censorship. I don’t think any show since has poked the kind of fun at the establishment in quite the same way as the Smother’s Brothers had. Looking back, I feel as though it had in a very subtle way, a very strong anti-war subliminal effect, as hokey as it seems looking back, and as hokey as it seemed then, which I remember as being almost a parody of the anti-establishment and anti-war movement. But, just maybe, such anti-war sentiment seeped into the viewers subconscious. And that’s something that the censors couldn’t tolerate after two years of it, regardless of the money the show was making for CBS.

                You ought to check it out, it’s only an hour and a half. One comment I’ll make is that Bill Maher, at the beginning of the documentary, hosts a reunion for the members of the Smothers Brothers show. For me, he’s a reminder of what’s become of “resistance” in the media – completely corporate, compromised and phony.

                Here’s the Smother Brother’s link:


              • candlelight says:


                I wanted to mention something you brought up, about the theory of faked moon landings.

                I know that’s something that the Dykes have proposed, as well as being one of the conspiracies that McGowan had greatly put forth.

                It is by its nature, a gargantuan conspiracy theory, obviously, and one that I don’t endorse. Yet, as you point out, about the cat and the rat in the box, it’s one of those things we may never know if it had occurred or not.

                And, precisely for that reason, I’ll sit tight and wait until NASA lands on the moon in the relatively near future, supposedly:


                Hopefully, if and when they do, it will be under the auspices of many players and many discerning eyes that will be demanding unequivocal proof.

                Not only will the cat need to be seen licking its chops, we’re going to have to feel his fattened belly, too. 🙂

                I’m way over 500, and man, do I love gaming the system!

              • alexandre says:

                G’morning. Will watch Smothers, thanks for the link, Didn’t know them.

                Glad you saw TMOM and understood it. I had a bit of trouble because of the length, the editing and the English, but I think I got it. Connection to McGowan? I could think of something. If you see society from their perspective, i.e. lab rats, anything could be used, rats, pigeons, cool people, musicians, politicians…

                “Look, Henry, they’re making weird noises and dances. How interesting. Let’s give them LSD and see what happens. Oh, how curious…look, they’re revolting, good…good, now let’s make them revolt against Group B and see what happens. Oh, look…” and so on. I know you need imagination, but at this stage, Monty Python became PBS compared to reality.The SOTUA alone is much much weirder than any idiocy I could come up with. Your opinion is much more coherent, that’s obvious, and I’m totally ok with that. I just see myself as a ridiculous result of that perenial scientific insanity, of which I think all the popular movements were part, and McGowan would be at least one explanation. I’m working on something called “My life is ridiculous”. Maybe a wee suite for woodwinds.

                Money is the bottom line in everything on Earth. Bottom line. If you have no money, you can resist whatever you want, at the end of the day if you don’t know how to hunt, kill and live in a hole on the ground, you’ll need money and from then on you’re a slave. And if you don’t know how to generate income, if you don’t have talent for commerce, you’re ridiculous, like me!

                The moon thing is to me as I said. How can you explain NASA destroying the telemetry tapes and everything else? How can you explain “we need to solve the Van Allen belt first” as if Apollo didn’t exist? The fake photos, which is not controversial (acknowledged by many photographers and I myself know enough photography to see it), could be explained maybe like, well, the camera didn’t work or something and we produced these fake shots, but still they could have explained them. NASA never admitted or explained the fake photos. NASA, a truly surrealist institution, is what makes me doubt, but the real issue here is the possibility of them “doing something like that”. As a friend said “They wouldn’t go so far” when I asked if he thought 911 was an inside job. At the end who cares? – borrowing from Chomsky. I don’t care. I never went and will never go and I hate that they include me in those ridiculous words like “we” or “man”. “Man on the moon!” Sorry, Armstrong on the Moon or You on the moon, not man. That means something to NASA, the nazis, Von Braun, I don’t know, people who believe in “man”. Stick yer moon up Von Braun’s jacksey, I’d say.

                Sorry, I’m too depressed. Thanks for the links, I’ll check’em out.

              • manbearpig says:

                What the heck you depressed about!? Thought you were being Empowered!!? With yer talent and way with words!? C’mon! Bootstraps!

              • alexandre says:

                Laughs, mbp (Were you reading?).
                Absolutely disempowered. Unempowered. De-empowered. My power went away along with my (and my sister’s) bank account(s). Below 5000, full of debts. Whenever it’s up 10.000 I’ll let you know. (I wonder if this is the new economy. You work and work and have less and less. Hmm…)

                Talent??! Well, that bastard is the effin culprit. If it wasn’t for that idiot, Mr “Talent”, I would be ok. Yes, I’m the best Iglu maker in the whole of Algeria. Way to go, that a boy and all the rest of it.

                Now I’ll search the name Annie Jacobson here at TCR. If nothing comes up I’ll leave a note about her on the Open Thread. You guys know the name? Ever heard? I was watching something and YOUTUBE suggested her for me on the right. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…..

              • candlelight says:


                I guess Youtube gave you the Annie Jacobsen recommendation on the side bar because you were looking into Nazis, NASA and von Braun?

                Never heard of her either(read your Open Thread post) until you mentioned her, so I thought I’d check her out, cause I was scratching my head wondering how this woman’s name came up out of the blue.

                And, oh yeah, the incredible powers of intuition of a ridiculous man…. Not.

                Meaning, she’s definitely “family”, if I read you correctly. In other words, she’s beyond mainstream. If I had to guess, she’s not only an author of CIA history, the lady is CIA.

                I listened to her little book signing symposium on her novel “Surprise, Kill, Vanish”:


                If she’s not an official apologist for the “Company”, then I don’t know who is.

                Yes, she says her functionality is that of an historian – yep, just the facts, ma’am – and that “thankfully” it’s not her place to carry that “moral load” when it comes to right or wrong. Her emphasis is on whether the CIA’s covert activities are of “necessity” or not, which she conveniently leaves up to the reader.

                But, when it comes to terrorism, 9/11, bin Laden, etc., she is totally mainstream. When asked a two part question, one of which was questioning the official story of the raid wherein bin Laden was supposedly killed – an event/story she unquestioningly supports – in terms of the idea that how does this story work with a guy on dialysis surviving in a cave for nine years, etc., she completely ignored the question.

                She’s a Company girl, all the way.

                Her book, by the way, is all about CIA special operations, ground branch, the closest equivalent I’m assuming would be the Army’s Green Berets.

                When I was just finishing college, I was renting a room in a house with a few other young people, and one afternoon, I’m hanging out in the sun porch, when a guy a bit older steps in the front door, he was asking if his buddy was at home – one of my housemates. I said no, and he left. Later on, I told my housemate that a friend of his had come by asking for him. And, I told my housemate that his friend at first sort of scoped out the room and when he looked at me, I had this really bizarre sensation as if my head had just been decapitated. I mean, it was a really weird feeling. I felt like I was talking to him, but as if I was already dead. I felt like I was a dead man without a head, talking. Like it had rolled off and was on the cushion next to me. It was very Bizarre with a big capital “B”…. My housemate then told me that his friend was an ex Green Beret, had served time in Vietnam, and was currently employed as a body guard.

                It was funny in a way, an revelatory, how that made complete sense out of such a strange experience.

              • manbearpig says:

                No, Alexandre, I clearly hadn’t been reading. Sorry about that. But I’ll try to catch up. Wonder what stephen11 would advise you? Meanwhile I’m going to try your words out on Generalbottlewasher’s… I think…

              • alexandre says:

                mbp – read if you want.
                This is Chaos; we don’t “sorry about that” here!
                You can even say “Freedom I won’t”.

                Candlelight – “apologist for the “Company””, yes, exactly what I thought at some point. It started with her talk on Paperclip, which is not so bad at first, but then, after some more talks, as always, it ends up revealing the truth. If she’s CIA, they should know better by now. They’re like ad agencies trying to be cool, doing these idiotic ads thinking they’re hip – and that no one notices it.

                In any case my question would be: is there anything to be added to our knowledge from what she says – in terms of how DARPA works, the moneys, the story of how the … Jensen brothers? … were substituted by the … such and such board of something? … whose members sit on the corporations’ boards etc etc? Or can we just throw her in the bin altogether? Each minute I think the latter, but that’s why I threw that to Corbett, since there’s no mention of her on TCR. Maybe some info could be validated and added to the list.

                The Rogan show with her was painful. They truly believe that presidents are the top of the chain and “the enemy” is out there to attack us so we need to defend bla bla and at some points there are some interesting silences, like their brains have reached their limit. The advertising for the paramilitary arm of the CIA with their assassins and covert ops as “a better option” than normal armies is just…well, revealing. Plus she shows some signs of that old friend ‘sociopathy’ here and there – stuff like weird coincidences with famous names. The son of such and such whose uncle was the inventor of the atomic bomb and whose nephew was Klaus Barbi, whose wife was the first woman on the moon, you know, stuff like that. I’ve seen this before and it’s scary. A guy once told me that a guitar I bought in NY in 1987 had been George Benson’s guitar once because it had a modification the only he did and this guitar was stolen and I ended up buying it etc. Also, as I said, the way she tells that her “sources” always say “Listen, Annie…” Every time she says that my needles go “boiinnng”.

                So, Youtube suggestions, there you go.

                By the way the Green Beret decapitated head feeling was kind of scary, man. Shoot..

              • generalbottlewasher says:

                Alex, what’s happening? Wendy Malik (in the J. Oliver clip) looks a lot like Diane West who has a new book out and has a great deal more to say about “American Betrayal” than Miss Annie Jacobson.
                History is written by the winners.
                Compare the two clips and presentations from the D.C. book store.

                Now you can see who is speaking to historical truth.
                An analogy would be a critique by. Chef of say a cake. One (Annie) talks about the icings colour, texture, look. The other ( West) talks about each ingredient in the cake and how they were combined to create the cake. Big difference.
                Docharty and Macgregor ( Hidden History: WW1) style.
                Both may be completely true but which has a greater purpose. I suppose it all comes down to what you want to get out of it, personally. I want the unreal history to be the real history. But that is as wrong as wanting Santa to be real. What do you do?
                I would love to sit in your back yard for just 5 minutes.

              • alexandre says:

                Candlelight, just to respond to your links so I don’t get lost here.
                The NASA link just reaffirms my suspicions. If you look at those meetings like a “malaco” entrepreneur, that is, a slimy salesman whose sole purpose is to make a dollar, you kind of see what that really is. Cartoons, CGIs and promises of great things “for Amer’ca” just to sell a product and make a buck. All malacos there, doing business. They would sell condos on Jupiter without blinking. “We will go to the moon”, ok, how? Did the Van Allen belts disappear? Did you resuscitate the Apollo technology which YOU said you destroyed? I mean…I didn’t want to be skeptical, but NASA makes it so easy. And maybe that’s the purpose of such ridiculous malaco press conferences. To make people doubt, who knows… To me it’s irrelevant if they went or not, as I said, but I wanted to reply to your links and comments properly.

                Now to the Smoothers Brothers.

              • candlelight says:

                Ooooweee, Coming at ya at all angles!

                Did you get a chance to watch the Smothers Brothers Smothered vid?

                It might be hard for you to relate to it. I grew up with the Smothers Brothers. When they first came on, even as an 11 year old, they seemed square as hell to me. It was obvious that they kind of let their hair grow out a little bit, and they were more relaxed. Meanwhile, on the social front 1968 – things were pretty much raging. Ideology was filtering down to us junior high school kids – at 14 we were marching in NYC, calling for a moratorium to the war. I remember my father mad as hornet about us joining the march. He was so steeped in the domino theory, like we were making a big mistake. But, the cool thing is he respected where we were at, and accepted our point of view – wanting an end to the war. He figured our young soft heads would sooner or later harden up. lol

                Not quite.

                Anyway, subscriber pearl linked this really cool John Lennon vid, when he and Yoko did their bed protest thing – “all we are saying, is give peace a chance”. My eyes welled up half way through it. Had to wipe my eyes to see the rest of the vid.

                Check it out. You know what? Do you want to know the difference between then and now? That is, assuming that there would be, or could be mass protests?

                Look at the involvement of all those kids protesting. And try to figure out what the difference would be if it were happening today.

                Here’s the Lennon video:

                PS: the reason pearl linked it was to show Tommy Smothers was there hanging out with John and Yoko when they recorded the song. Something I wasn’t aware of – (thank you, pearl!):


            • alexandre says:

              Ok, watched Smothers Brothers, fantastic, didn’t know them. I noticed the dates – from 63 to 68, more or less (curiously the same dates ad the best Miles Davis Quintet). Woodstock was … 69. Ahaa.
              Sudden hypothesis: There WAS a real genuine anti establishment popular movement going on and growing, so the McGowan Canyon thing started to counter that, to corrupt it from within and divert it. Only….I think the dates don’t match really, because the Hippie movement started much earlier. In any case, I would change my position to … a real movement being co-opted and corrupted by an artificial one, instead of the whole movement being artificial from the start. Makes sense?

  8. alexandre says:

    Thank you, James, from a non English speaker. I learned two more words today: hitherto and brethren. And in my case of illiteracy the term “limited-hangout” itself. Snowden and Assange came to mind more than once. Maybe Joe Rogan? This “technique” is all over the place and it’s infuriating.

    On an unconnected, or maybe partially connected note, today I had the experience you mentioned in your video “We Need to Talk About Search”. Looking in Portuguese for something about the “eco villages” that are spreading here in my wee town (which is being destroyed) I tried everything; eco villages frauds, Agenda 21 and eco villages, in quotes, everything I could think of and all I’ve got was mainstream and official links, even on page 10. I found one article that was not exactly alternative, but it wasn’t mainstream and at least tried to say something against Agenda 21. I remembered your video. We will indeed not find anymore what they don’t want us to find. Curiously I do find stuff in English, but when I tried in Portuguese (something I never do with these matters) I got nothing. Maybe this thing acts differently depending on the language? Or if it’s your country’s language? Really depressing.

    • wylie1 says:

      Try a different web search engine. I put [eco village agenda 21] into []. A number of hits on page1 seem quite relevant.

      • alexandre says:

        Thanks. Yes I know, but it’s what James talked about – people won’t find anything and won’t even know about duckduckgo, if it will even exist. There’s gonna be Google and, as Eric Schmidt said, it will give you one “correct” answer and that’s it.

  9. wylie1 says:

    For me even the term [limited hangout] is deceptive cia jargon. If a person were to use [partial truth smokescreen] most anyone unfamiliar (as I was) with the term Limited Hangout, would instantly know what was going on. So I can see why they came up with such jargon.

    War first begins in the mind. So one doesn’t need full metal jacketed ammo to do serious damage to The Powers That Shouldn’t Be and their agenda. It is happening right here and now… and hopefully spreading exponentially. However TPTSB do need to murder, and on a large scale in order to achieve their goals. Best be able to protect yourselves.

  10. Ukdavec says:

    Bankster plans for power grab under the shield of climate change further fleshed out

    “Financial markets and climate change are two topics which were traditionally seen by some as only vaguely related. However, parts of financial markets are and will continue to be profoundly affected by climate change in one way or another. Furthermore, financial markets are increasingly considered to play a key role in the transition of economies to lower emissions states — a process which will ultimately reduce the human and economic risk presented by climate change.”

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      Ukdavec, I can but only think of Catherine A-Fitts and the new language of ‘ Due Diligence’ . Then I can’t but wonder if this is a thinly wailed attempt at introducing ‘climate blackmail’.

      This whole situation of the carbon producers and carbon killers and the circling of the wagons of each force, is very confusing. I have a feeling its the same force with a complete obfuscation of the real goal. Death of the dollar? Hair cut for those who risk hanging on to the dollar? Does it have anything to do with the dollar? Protect the bank risk during the transitions?

      What exactly is climate change? Im assuming from all the propaganda it has nothing to do with the weather, but getting the herd moving in one direction while the banks go in another. Hard on the laymen here, can you elaborate a little more?

      • generalbottlewasher says:

        And I might add, insurance fraud. Like the fraud of climate emergency. Sell insurance on the risk of a threat that is a fraud. Money for nothing and the kick in the ass for free. So , as all things Citi it does have to do with the dollar. What creature this assembly of fleshing out will appear? No doubt FRANKINSTEIN. And the villagers better put a pillow in their lederhosen cause the monsters have large ass kicking jack boots.

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      “Decarbonization, the…ultimate Decarbonization by market participants.” ok Dave who are the participants?
      The usual suspects? Who is Citi now? Who is wagging the dog?
      Any clarification would be helpful in interpreting this “bankerese” lingo. Please name them banisters.

  11. wylie1 says:

    Although I agree with Larken Rose on many things [re, reco’d reading/listening: The Most Dangerous Superstition]. His premise that an attacking military would Not have success in defeating an independent populace having rifles, is very short sighted. The technologies available today would make it possible to wipe out 95 percent of a population or so, if they employed proper strategy. The rest could be dealt with in wack-a-mole fashion.

    Citing examples of Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq wars is not credible. The Soviets nor the Western coalitions, or the USA, never tried to wipe them all out, just the resistive combatants … who easily hid among those considered civilians or in environmental features due to the strategies employed, to not appear to be genocidal to the world press.

    As Zbigniew Brzezinski stated, “in earlier times, it was easier to control a million people, literally, than physically to kill a million people” while “today it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than to control a million people.”

    However, the sooner people wake up to the fact that govt is the problem, not the solution, the better chance we will have.

  12. mik says:

    In recommended reading I’ve seen: The ‘Deal of the Century’ is Apartheid

    Israel is apartheid state by its constitution already.

    Excellent reportage about check points from West bank.
    NewsTeam: Crossing Israeli-Palestinian border (two parts at 1:30 and 11:00)

  13. manbearpig says:

    from October 2019:

    as an extension of my earbud conspiracy delirium where they become permanent fixtures of productive “focus”:

    “…FocusBuds by Potential X is the world’s first pair of productivity boosting earbuds – the way they work is that embedded biosensors monitor your brain activity and remind you to refocus whenever you are distracted.

    This process known as EEG Neurofeedback trains your brain to better focus and block out distractions over time.

    FocusBuds provides real-time feedback — training your brain to concentrate and eliminate procrastination. Achieve focus like you have never imagined.

    The patent-pending technology behind FocusBuds is designed from the ground up to help your brain get into deep focus and enter the ‘Flow State’ at will.

    What is Flow State?

    ‘Flow State’ is a state where your brain is so hyper focused and immersed on a single task that hours go by without you noticing. FocusBuds trains you to slip into flow state faster and helps you stay there longer — giving you unparalleled productivity.

    FocusBuds first tracks your brain activity in real-time with embedded EEG biosensors.

    Our advanced machine learning platform then learns the patterns in your EEG signal to determine your focus levels using approximately 400 calculated metrics.

    Whenever your focus drops — FocusBuds gently guides your brain back into peak focus through auditory feedback.

    …over time your brain is trained to naturally focus faster and longer (operant conditioning)

    The brain is malleable and is constantly being shaped by our experience due to neuroplasticity, every repetition of a thought or emotion can create and reinforce a neural pathway.

    This form of Neurofeedback has been scientifically & repeatedly proven to enhance performance (Gruzeier, 2016) and is as powerful as Ritalin (Fuchs, 2016). Plus, it works even when you take FocusBuds off — leaving behind a more focused brain better at tuning out distractions.

    We spend an average of 23 minutes to focus, yet we are interrupted every 11 minutes. Over the course of our careers — 20,000 hours are wasted on being distracted in the workplace.

    You know what you need to do to become successful, but the issue is staying focused enough to finish what you started.

    FocusBuds is a non-invasive solution to help you concentrate, stay focused and get work done.

    With FocusBuds, you’re rewiring your brain to be more focused and productive. By constantly reinforcing your focus behavior through operant conditioning , FocusBuds TRAINS your brain …”

    tracking your brain activity and “learning” the patterns of your EEG signal is now considered… totally non-invasive…

    • alexandre says:

      I like how technocrats use the term “non-invasive”. Like in “I’ll non-invasively blow your head off with this revolver. The bullet will enter your skull non-invasively and shut down your life in order to increase productivity and efficiency”. The old cybernetic nightmare these bastards are obsessed with since the 19th century.

      I received an email notification showing your reply to my 6AM-going-to-bed Shakespeare post, but the link goes nowhere. Did you take it out?

      Digitize, would say Shakespeare? I doubt he would ever dirty his mouth with that name.

      Yer student erupted in a non-meaning outburst of what now is called “hate” towards the Chinese. A nerve-wracking week.
      I thought it was “wrecking”, but checking it out I found:
      “Nerve-racking” is the original and correct spelling of this phrase.
      “Nerve-wracking” is a widely-used and well-established variant spelling. Many editors and usage dictionaries find it acceptable, but purists and prescriptivists consider it an error.

      Are you now, or have you ever been…a purist?

      Per chance to dream, but I don’t remember my dream today, which wracks my nerves. I found a video on my email, from a friend, showing a pathologist here speaking about the coronapanic and telling people to stop this bullshit, this virus doesn’t do anything, people died of other problems (as he read in the literature available, autopsies etc) and he gives a maximum three months before no one will be talking about corona anymore, just like zika. He just doesn’t know why this happened.

      Over here everything still normal, no panic, not even much awareness of the problem. Small slow town.

      There’s more from you on emails, let me see….

      • manbearpig says:

        “Digitize, would say Shakespeare?” … As an EXPLETIVE I said! An
        E X P L E T I V E!

        Y’know…just…nevermind! For all your asparagus casting you obviously have no taste for anachronism! No Problemo!

        As for the rest,

        I plead the 5th.

        oh yea!

        P.S.: Don’t you worry ’bout a thing!

        • alexandre says:

          Anachronism….wow. So many things to learn. I shall write an anachronistic expletive string quartet. That would be obviously derivative, but…pr’ty.

          Hey, I said “pr’ty” on some comment and someone (was it you?) replied and I lost that comment. Don’t know where it is. Ring any bells?

          The link was quite chevere.

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