Interview 900 – The BFP Roundtable Discusses Public Apathy

06/11/201437 Comments

The BFP Roundtable takes on the public apathy surrounding the illegal wars of aggression, extrajudicial drone assassinations, illegal warrantless wiretapping, and other outrages of our era. Why is the public so passive in the face of such abuses? Does it reflect learned helplessness, and if so what can be done about it? Find out more in this must-see BFP Roundtable discussion.

SHOW NOTES

The American Majority & Its Deadly Chronic Disease Called Apathy

Learned Helplessness

Optimism/Pessimism Test

Corbett Report Radio 070 – Overcoming Learned Helplessness

How to Start a Movement? Leadership Lessons from Dancing Guy

Children Full of Life

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  1. 35df99op says:

    I think a lot of what people categorise as apathy is silent fear. Especially for people that belong to marginalised groups of any kind.

  2. HomeRemedySupply says:

    Corbett Report EXTRAS
    James Corbett on Learned Helplessness and Learned Optimism (6 minutes)
    YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OQtQKgQYJs
    BitChute – https://www.bitchute.com/video/5OQtQKgQYJs/

    This is extremely important, far reaching information.
    The information and subsequent corollary concepts not only go deep and far, but offer many possibilities towards bettering conditions.
    The concepts outlined also tie in well to other fundamental concepts… (e.g. Would a Psychopath have an intention to see that others are weak, helpless, sickly, dependent, incompetent, ineffective clowns?)

  3. whateverittakes2 says:

    Thanks, James. This is very timely because I’m walking around my house this morning trying to get up the nerve to write my Congress critters and tell them how angry I am about what Israel is doing to this country and what they as our non-representative body are allowing Israel to do. I’ve been immersed in the past several days in Zionist history.

    Something I’ve suspected for a long time (I’m sure I’m not the only one!): That we were/are being led around by the nose on the Holocaust scenario, that it didn’t happen as we were told. I’ve learned that the Zionists actually colluded with the Nazis, that it was Theodor Herzl’s great idea to co-opt the so-called “anti-semites” into helping the Zionists make life for German Jews very uncomfortable (to say the least). I haven’t uncovered detailed evidence of Zionists’ overt collusion with the “holocaust” (someone should find the guts to stand up and refuse Israel and Zionist Jews the right to co-opt that term for their own special use, refuse them the right to pretend that the Jews are the only people on this planet who’ve ever been genocided (if that’s actually what happened…)

    I did learn this that the Zionists orchestrated a boycott of the German government in 1933, but where this bandit country is concerned (and that’s a very mild descriptive term compared with what I’d really like to say), what is good for someone else never applies to them. In any case, here’s a very moving documentary, very recent on the state of Israel and their evil machinations in the world and right here in this country.

    Israel is very clearly trying to destroy us and we better shake off our learned helplessness and find the guts to do something about it or we’ll wake up soon without a country. I’ll come back with a link — I think James Corbett may be in this documentary… but it’s excellent. Highly recommended.

    • PeaceFroggs says:

      It’s called the Haavara Agreement.

    • scpat says:

      Whateverittakes2,

      Was all of this information in one documentary? Can you provide document links to support all of this? This is the first I’ve heard about Zionist collusion with the Nazis. It would be interesting to learn more about this.

    • weilunion says:

      “Typical anti-Semitism that I have grown up with for more than 64 years.

      • PeaceFroggs says:

        Not sure what you’re alluding to weilunion, but if I read your comment correctly, lets not swing the pendulum from one extreme to the other, there are some legitimate grievances towards the Zionist State of Israel, and how it was created and the way they are treating Palestinians in the occupied territories today.

        However, to be fair to Jews and Israel, there are over 2 million Arab Israeli’s living peacefully inside the state Israel today, and they are just as prosperous as most Jewish Israeli’s. Furthermore, there’s even a Arab Israeli Christian on the Israeli Supreme court, for all you antisemites out there, think about that for a while!

        Fact is, there was an agreement between Nazi Germany, the Zionist German Jews and the Anglo-Palestine Bank in 1933, and the Holocaust may not be exactly what they told us it was.

        History tells us, that since the time of Christ, some 2000 years ago, Jews have been persecuted and confined to ghetto’s throughout most of Europe. It wasn’t until Napoleon, in the early 1800’s, that he emancipated European Jews, which inadvertently led to assimilation, thus was born Zionism and Theodor Herzl to counter this assimilation.

        Not excusing the way the current Israeli government is treating Palestinians today, just saying, every people on this planet deserves a state of their own in order to help preserve their language and culture, both Palestinians and Israeli’s alike.

  4. whateverittakes2 says:

    Here’s the link mentioned above.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCyWr5QxP5g#t=3237.124218854

    There are many timely documentaries out now on this issue… Eustace Mullins is a good source on this and also on the state of America’s Rockefeller-created medical system which has made it one of the worst in the world (and the most expensive).

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      whateverittakes2,
      I agree that there are Zionists. They’ve done some terrible things.

      However, sometimes I think some people over-emphasize them.
      Also, I think that government trolls (from whatever governments) put an over-emphasis on Zionism in order to discredit “the truth movement”. The trolling includes putting up some of the YouTube videos.

      I think the Zionist issue is one to view in a balanced perspective.

      I met Christopher Bollyn and had a chance to chat with him over dinner when he was in Dallas.
      He gave a good talk.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVHstSrC1CQ

      You are right about Eustace Mullins.
      He spent the last years of his life in Dallas.
      Here he is when Jason Bermas aired “Loose Change – Final Cut” in Dallas.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMV-QwXDI1c&feature=youtu.be&t=5m41s

  5. PeaceFroggs says:

    Interesting discussion. Here’s my contribution…

    1) Regarding apathy and the illegal wars of aggression

    — as far as the American public is concerned, Obama was elected because the public was sick and tired of Bush and the wars (war weariness). Once elected, he did draw down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (which led to the rise of ISIS), however…

    …Obama did refrain from sending in American troops in Syria and/or Libya, which in turn may have led to a lull and a rise in public apathy in the US, however I would argue that anti war candidate Trump did get elected over war candidate Hillary Clinton, kinda shows the American public may not be as apathetic as some presume them to be.

    Something else to consider is that since Trumps political capital is already spent only 6 months in, and his approval ratings are at record lows, I believe if he ever decided to actually pursue war with North Korea or decide to re-escalate the wars in Afghan, that Americans (especially the left leaning Americans) would protest in streets, which is probably why Erik Prince is offering private military force in Afghanistan.

    2) Regarding the “illegal warrant-less wiretapping”

    — since this type of wiretapping is “illegal” without a FISA warrant, then these types of wiretaps aren’t admissible in court. So for the average Joe/Jane I can understand their apathy here, but if you’re a CEO, or stock broker, lawyer, or a Nicolas Tesla type of individual working on the next big invention etc..then you would think that these people would be very concerned, but these people are so dependent on the system for their livelihood, therefore they dare not speak.

  6. Tinfoil Hatter (Tinni) says:

    okay, I’m pissed !
    1st off – why aren’t there any links to the websites of the other speakers ? or better could you at least make these links available every time in order to help newcomers ?
    2nd off – where are the links to boilingfrog ? I couldn’t find any with duckduckgo. So please don’t think your subscribers know it all, I’m new and believed you when you said all links are underneath the post.

    I wanted to write a comment addressed to all 4 members of the round-table but an easy quick link isn’t available.
    So, I’ll await a reply with all links I request and hope you will not let these links out of the notes of the shows.

    Thank you
    Tinni

    • Tinfoil Hatter (Tinni) says:

      Well, via via I discovered the weblink http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/about-us/ which in fact is only there to accommodate the link provided in the wikipedia-page-references or is it ?
      Next, I searched for the round-table-talks and indeed I found a link to a page solely dedicated to this but to my disappointment there was no show like the show you aired.
      So , I didn’t want to give up and gave the search-edit-box a try but no results containing the word ‘helpnessless’
      Than I thought :”well, it might be that Corbett has the exclusive of this round-table-talk and the show will soon be listed on the http://www.newsbud.com/category/newsbud_roundtable/
      When or if this does not happen, I will give up and rest comfortably knowing that the “boilingfrogs-shows lack any coherent and consistent structure.
      I mean :”what else than this comment rests me to write all 4 guests at this round table talk in one single comment ?
      That’s what I said , yes….

      Thank you for indulging me thus far and I will be grateful if you think my advise in the comment above is useful and correctly stating what is missing.

      SideNote : Since I became a consumer of your webpage , I felt the need to support all sensible talking, writing people of this genre and wanted to contribute mediamonarchy but he didn’t have a simple link to do this. Perhaps you are the only one with such possibility and perhaps not.
      I really think there is a great need for sensible speakers on this genre because the internet (youtube) is filled with loud-mouths and teenagers/brats and other screamers and finger-pointers (not to themselves off course) who disgust me and are absolutely not doing it for me, because I need feeds from intelligent people if I want to encourage others to ‘awaken voluntarily’ … So yes, I will not be happy with myself when my requests are not met with a satisfying response because I know damn well that I could have restrained myself and talk more nicely and kind ….
      But if one comprehends the English language, one could put the tone in one scale and the message itself on the other….

      best wishes, kind regards
      Tinni

      • HomeRemedySupply says:

        Tinni,
        I’m sorry you got pissed off.
        You can always place the blame on me. I’m used to it. I’ve been married. 😉

        In case you don’t know, this BFP Roundtable original show aired more than 3 years ago. The “Extra” video is a 6 minute edited clip from the original show during the summer of 2014.

        Hopefully, you’ll understand that the roundtable was addressing issues in context to that particular time. Although, in the discussion James hit upon a fundamental ‘axiom of sorts’ regarding apathy.

        Tinni,
        the evolution of the thought…
        Actually, there was a previous discussion on August 8th when ‘scpat’ made a profound observation.
        An evolution of thought followed, where concepts started to tie into each other.
        This particular BFP Roundtable episode came up during the discussion.
        The entire discussion was a result of Corbett’s 2012 Halloween video about the history of Fake News.
        Here is the thread…
        https://www.corbettreport.com/a-brief-history-of-fake-news/comment-page-1/#comment-42066

        ~~~~~~~~~~
        That quote from Noam Chomsky was like a brick in the face for a morning wake-up. “…people feel they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.”
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IzsNW0OFbk&feature=youtu.be&t=25m24s

  7. weilunion says:

    You make good points, James but I must take issue with some of them.

    To begin with, an online test to see if you are a pessimist or optimist? No, they are frauds, James and there is no test like that that can determine the margins of such feelings. They are subjective.

    Americans, not all people but Americans, suffer from the opposite of negative thinking; they suffer from eternal ‘bridghtness’.

    Barbara Ehrenreich, in her book Brightsided’explains the phenomenon well.

    “With the myth-busting powers for which she is acclaimed, Ehrenreich exposes the downside of America’s penchant for positive thinking: On a personal level, it leads to self-blame and a morbid preoccupation with stamping out “negative” thoughts. On a national level, it’s brought us an era of irrational optimism resulting in disaster. This is Ehrenreich at her provocative best—poking holes in conventional wisdom and faux science, and ending with a call for existential clarity and courage.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6452749-bright-sided

    I would agree. Americans are not apathetic when it comes to consuming, watching TV, drinking or rallying around the flag.

    Attempts to psychologize what is a subjective and objective problem is typical individualism.

    The system grinds people down, on this we agree and so does the irrational culture of individualism, not individuality, individualism. Go it alone, you are on your own”, Buddy, I got mine you get yours, all of this is built within the fabric of American culture and tethered to the economy whereby one is turned into little rational profit maximizers. Any collectivism is scorned as unworkable, Communistic and thus Americans generally suffer alone.

    The answer is to organize with others for goals that can change the society of despair into a society of caring. And this ain’t gonna happen in America anytime soon.

    As for other parts of the world, certainly there are cultures that are not burdened with such nasty and deplorable self degradation and learned helplessness, but they aren’t capitalist countries, they tend to be indigneous.

  8. wingsuitfreak says:

    Between our 12 year (or longer if you start at 2-3 years of age) indoctrination program and the massive medical poisoning of the population, most of the people simply aren’t capable of the critical thinking (plus a host of other positive attributes) skills needed to question the official truthspeak positions. I live in a small town in north Florida and I bet I don’t know a dozen people who aren’t on some kind of pill. Funny how they all freak out when I tell them I haven’t been to a doctor since ’94 and that I think all their drugs are poison. You’d think I just revealed myself as the anti-christ or something. We are truly screwed over here. That doesn’t mean that the whole country is like this though. Florida is probably one of the worst for pill addiction and horrible indoctrination programs (I cannot call them schools. Nope, can’t do it!) or at least I hope it is. I know there are growing movements across the country calling for sustainable farming, herbal medicines, home-schooling, and other such subversive liberty movements, so maybe there is hope. Having said that, I never count on hope. That’s like wishing reality wasn’t real. Besides, being this out-numbered makes the fight more interesting. We southerners do love a good scrap! Jim, who just spent the afternoon watching the pretty girls come in and out of the grocery store while the rain was coming down. Life is still good. 🙂

  9. Tinfoil Hatter (Tinni) says:

    All I wanted to tell you 4 of the round table are the following things :
    – I asked James from mediamonarchy to make a show that completely ignores America because it seems that all news around the pancake revolves around Kim Trump and other Cardassian-governmental-institutes or officials.
    – There are conspiracies in other countries too, you know but those aren’t of value I conclude after 1 year of following news on the internet.
    – my point is the same as Sibel Edmonds stated (which was incorrectly corrected by John Whitehead) most people think that Turks are poor, have no education etc and therefor have motivation to protest. The fact that a slang exists for furners which sounds like furnish to foreigners and all 4 of you laughing about this degeneration of other homo sapiens sapiens says a lot about the importance of other world-citizens. We (foreigners) could be the last best hope that America has at this moment, so indeed people everywhere need to be awakened to the globalists-agenda. or plutocrats ? ploutocrates ? People anywhere in the world know many stories about their own culture and only 1 or 2 about other countries. This is also true about conspiracies or plutocrats – apparently they all reside in the ‘Good Ol’ USA’ … which is a kind of “helplessness” common to most people who are Americans.

    – I’d like all 4 of you to watch this woman tell you a story about the dangers of a single story….
    https://youtu.be/D9Ihs241zeg

    So if you would be so kind Mr. Corbett and send the other contributeurs of the round table this particular comment I would be greatly honored..,.. ored..,..

    • Tinfoil Hatter (Tinni) says:

      I’ve just send newsbud this comment with a little revision

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      Tinfoil Hatter (Tinni),
      A lot of folks here come from all over the world. And there are many, many stories/anecdotes about the conspiracies and corruption which exist in the different countries… from the middle east to wooden shoeland to Yugoslavia’s tragedy to Japan to South America to ‘down-under’ to face-eating zombies in Fluoride-nation to places as big as Texas or as gorgeous as Alberta.
      There are many, many stories from the readers.
      Pablo can tell ya some wild stories about many countries.

      You are always welcome to tell your stories.

  10. generalbottlewasher says:

    7 comments are interesting. There should be an old Tom about now, coming in to say something nice, contemplative, extemporanious to the commenters. I wish I could join in but I’m being knocked or blocked from The Corbett Report this week. I’ll take this little device down to U.S. Cellular and see what they can make of it tomarrow. That is speculation with a high probability of becoming fact. Much like Whateverittakes2 and scpat it may wind up as doublespeak. Both comments good, even plusdoublegood and doublebad. Will the documents be authentic? Will the memory be authentic? So much is being fabricated around here ,like Winston in 1984,I don’t trust my own memory. Or my own eyes. The Big Brother around here sprayed the crap out of the skies again and again it rains. Its August and the land of wrath has no summer, tornado comes at 1:19a.m. and the high filmy cloud is perpetual milky pinkish gray. The sky hasn’t been blue in awhile. Much unlike Peacefroogs mistaken Assessments of the American electoral process, Mr. James has spent a lot of time accumulating, with extraordinary journalistic and academically accurate facts, the true nature of the present American political system. Along with the help of a pretty impressive group of individuals, he has tirelessly been spoon feeding anyone who has cared to listen a most disturbing description of the reality that shatters the confraternity of the deep state.i.e.The Powers That Shouldn’t Be. It may come into clarity ,as it did for me , to peruse the link Pablo De Boar posted the other day (I believe it was in the Corbett subscriber extra)about the Bank of International Settlements. Really , the history and purpose of the bank was a piece of the puzzle that brought it all into focus. It all made sence when I read the article it made the connection of American current events and the banks charter with the Swiss government much clearer. The goal,as Head Banging Joe Plumber said on The Corbert Report ‘” world domination!”‘ He was not kidding and neither is the B.I.S.. America will give up its sovernty and its dollar as its currency if we continue to sit in our apathetic stupper, if it isn’t already to late.After what they did in 1998, in Brazil ,in with the IMF Sen. Bernie Sanders called them out for the criminal rape of the American tax payers.
    Zionism is not equal to the religion of Judaism, it is a far more dangerous multi racial almost politiclly satanic religion. Do not confuse the two. Ok ol’Tom ? Doublespeak

    • PeaceFroggs says:

      If you’re gonna accuse me of something generalbottlewasher, like “Much unlike Peacefroogs mistaken Assessments of the American electoral process”, at least have the decency to explain it, instead of throwing unsubstantiated wild accusations.

      Seriously, don’t any of you have the gonads to debate without backstabbing or attacking someones character?

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      Pardons please. To scpat for not identifying Weilunion in the memory hole rant. And to Peacefroogs for not making the comparison of his understanding of history and Winston Smith’s character’s understanding of history as represented in Blair’s 1984. Goodwrite PeaceFrogg.I will endeavor to reread Quigley’Tragedy and Hope for any Zionist references, I suspect he didn’t broach the topic much for all the obvious reasons. A minefield.
      No character, just pointing out TV.doesn’t portray Washington as real anymore.

      • generalbottlewasher says:

        Dear PeiceFrogg, calm down old boy.
        Your view of the U.S. is from the side of the fence that is quite old fashioned.
        1. Obama was a selection not an election. Fact or fancy?please select one
        2. Obama murdered as many or quite possibly more people than Bush/Chaney. Extrajudically. Without habius corpus or trial by judge or jury. Fact or fancy?

        3. Lets say Libya, you say
        Lets say Guiantonomo, you say
        Lets say Syria predictor drone you say
        Lets say Aipac.Whores
        4. Santa Clause , alive or dead
        5. Constitution , Rule of Law , alive or dead
        The dream is a dream we are no longer a Republic with democratically elected representatives. What are we, that is if you are an American. If not that what am I. A realist? You speak of things that are no longer there. It’s fake, morn , than recover. Listen more closely to the reality that Mr. Corbett is describing. He is not an American. Try BoilingFrogsPost for a little more American flavor. Sybell Edmonds lived the night mare and was lucky to have survived. If someone with her character believes American ideology can be saved than I’m with her. Santa Claus is dead and his killer is in plain site. What would you do Misure Frogg?

        • Pablo de Boer says:

          Hola aloha generalbottlewasher,

          It is for me obvious that señor James his amphibious house pet PF is totally loco (muchisimo loco) and I think that Froggy is being hit to much(isimo) by miss Piggy.

          Miss Piggy hits kermit
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfJiPPsHJEQ

          Humor is the best defense, but I know humor is often very personally and can be stupid for others just like PF his fascist socialist comments.

          Saludos para todos y tu tambien rana psicopata PF,

          Pablo de Boaaar

        • PeaceFroggs says:

          Thanks for the reply and for elaborating generalbottlewasher.

          When I first subscribed at the CR I believed the comment section was going to be a round table of sorts, where every one is equal, no one is seated at the head of the table, a place where everyone can express their differing points of views freely and openly without belittling, intimidation and name calling, but alas, I was wrong.

          1. Obama was a selection, however he did draw down the wars which may have led to increase in American apathy. Did you not read that?

          2. Obama did not murder more people than Bush/Cheney. He could have easily escalated the war in Syria, but he didn’t. He even reached out to Congress in order to get legal authorization, which they refused to put to a vote.

          Even if mother Theresa had been selected President instead of Obama, and would have ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan immediately and had pulled out all the troops immediately, ISIS would have taken over Syria, Iraq and who knows where else.

          You think ISIS was created by Obama, or do you think there is a hidden hand that works in the shadows?

          3. Regarding Libya, I always said this was a French trick, Sarkozy is to blame for Libya. Obama was weak, and should not have gone along with the bombing of Libya, funny thing is, Russia and China could have vetoed the UN resolution but they didn’t.

          Guantanamo, Obama tried to close it down, but the Republican held congress refused to close it down, transfer the prisoners onto American soil, charge them and for them to actually get a trial. Obama was able to at least expatriate most of the Guantanamo prisoners, to their country of origin, the ones that were willing to accept them.

          Aipac is a powerful force

          4. Santa Clause , alive or dead — funny.

          5. Constitution , Rule of Law , alive or dead — It ain’t dead yet! You say: “If someone with her character believes American ideology can be saved than I’m with her.” I call bullshit, I believe you think its dead.

          9/11 was an attack on the US constitution. They tried to kill a few Senators that they knew would ask questions and oppose them by sending them Anthrax letters.

          They eventually passed the Patriot act, but most of the provisions sunset’ed on June 1, 2015.

          The USA Freedom Act which was enacted on June 2, 2015 restored much of the unconstitutional provisions of the Patriot act.

          • PeaceFroggs says:

            Correction…

            The USA Freedom Act which was enacted on June 2, 2015 restored much of the US Constitution, which the Patriot act had made unconstitutional.

          • generalbottlewasher says:

            Peicefrogg. what you use as examples are theater props and actors.nothing more .the realization that Americans have been bamboozled and the characters who have grifted out of town and left in their wake ;
            1.permanent damage to the Constitution for easier actions in the future.compromized corrupt political/judical system.
            2.the 911 money.long gone.no possible prosecution under civil law. Black budget money gone where’s the hardware?
            3.complete ruination/coruption of the military profession. serfs
            4.a population of confused over medicated brainwashed divided zombiefried unorganized overindulgent misfit children with no family structure or moral center for guidance to counter the pys-oped American deconstruction plan that has been in play since before 1812.
            5. 23 trillion in debts. the Amero currency is right around the corner. The borrowers are servants to the lenders.
            Yeah frogg when you wake up to smell the coffee of reality you could do just about anything. To keep using the old paradigms of the past it really irritates the people who are awake to what’s been done to such a beautiful ideal that no longer exists. You may be right on being wrong cause cowboys don’t like people over whipping horses even if they are dead. You may be wrong on being right, hope is eternal and regret serves no one.
            Frogg You still didn’t say how you would address Santas killer who sits in plain sight.Try not to use any old paradigms in your reply please. Think in the new paradigms tools and techniques.
            Peace to all tadpoles.

            • Pablo de Boer says:

              Hola aloha generalbottlewasher ,

              just like señorita Sibel Edmonds with full passion said at the BFP Roundtable, a percentage of our fellow humans in the west are lost on their path. When she moved to the west coast of the US of A her new neighbors act totally nuts and she couldn’t understand them and I have the same opinion and experiences like her. Her husband said against her that Sibel had to try to understand her new neighbor, but when I observe her reaction, she still ain’t a member of the herd which is lost on their path at the west coast.

              https://youtu.be/0IzsNW0OFbk?t=44m11s

              I self will never copy paste the life style of her neighbors, which a lot of Dutchies copy pasted of the Americans. In Holland you also have gluten free hamburgers at McDeath,

              Glutenfree hamburgers at McDonalds Amsterdam | Glutenvrije hamburgers bij de McDonalds in Amsterdam
              http://www.glutenfreeamsterdam.com/restaurants/mcdonalds/

              Yes deadly toxic food made by the evil clown of McDonalds, but it is glutenfree, so you will die healthy…. For me this is the best proof that this whole gluten free-mania is one big stinking mierde del toro. But in South America I see more and more fellow humans who choose to live the western lifestyle.

              I think that señor James his residential tadpole PF also have on a daily basis a colonol cleansing and cluten free ofcourse while Froggie is also performing a kumbaya with his warlord Obobmber like Sibel her neighbors.

              Rana psicopata PF his beloved warlord Obomber is a mass slaughter of children and adults. Obomber is like each politicians a liar and a hypocrite. Obomber last tweet to the violence in Charlottesville is a good example of the behavior of a psychopath, because Obomber tweeted:

              “No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion…”

              https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/15/obamas-charlottesville-response-could-be-the-most-popular-tweet-ever.html

              But Obomber forget to mention, that he murdered hundred thousands of people with drones and other weapons. Some journalist even say about Obama’s covert drone war in numbers: ten times more strikes than Bush.

              https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush

              For me the reborn-satanist Bush and Obomber are both violent human beings just like their supporters. I will not kill them, but I will never treat them as Ghandi or the Daila Lama promote and chant with them a peaceful song, because that is for me an act of denying the truth just like Sibel her neighbor do.

              Obomber even sacrifices his own family for Political gain and to serve his masters.

              BP oil spill: Barack Obama and family swim in the Gulf of Mexico
              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7946118/BP-oil-spill-Barack-Obama-and-family-swim-in-the-Gulf-of-Mexico.html

              If you voluntarily support such a psychopath as Obombrt, in my opinion you are then also a psychopath.

              Saludos y be aware of the psychopathic tadpoles and their politcal mass murders,

              Pablo de Boaaaaaaar

            • PeaceFroggs says:

              generalbottlewasher,

              1.The Constitution was not “permanently” damaged, it is a living Constitution, it is not set in stone, there is a Supreme Court for a reason!

              There will always be corruption, even in a individualist Utopian society.

              2. The 911 money? long gone? Not sure I care about the money, I don’t see how this affects me?

              — No possible prosecution under civil law? I agree with you here, but in the court of public opinion the majority of Americans know they’ve been lied to about 9/11.

              — Black budget money gone where’s the hardware? Not sure what you’re talking about here.

              3.complete ruination/corruption of the military profession.

              –Nobody is forcing you to join the military, in fact, I support the draft in times of war, this way Americans won’t be so apathetic. History shows the draft is what led to mass protest/ civil unrest which helped bring the Vietnam war to a close.

              4.a population of confused over medicated brainwashed divided zombiefried unorganized overindulgent misfit children with no family structure or moral center for guidance to counter the pys-oped American deconstruction plan that has been in play since before 1812.

              — Are Americans over medicated? Obviously, but people need to take some responsibility for their own actions, you can’t always blame the system.

              5. 23 trillion in debts. the Amero currency is right around the corner. The borrowers are servants to the lenders.

              — That’s the system of usury, it’s a debt based monetary system. Millions of people go bankrupt, and most of them get back on their feet, if they are willing to work. Furthermore, millions of people create new business under this lending system.

              If Americans like you don’t like the current monetary system of usury then you can either become self sufficient, grow your own food, and try to avoid the system altogether by bartering with others, or you can move to a Muslim country where Sharia prohibits usury.

              Another option is if you’re up to it, you can try revolution, but that usually leads to death and destruction.

              “You still didn’t say how you would address Santas killer who sits in plain sight.” — I have no idea what your are talking about.

              My point is, 9/11 was an inside job, and wars of aggression are illegal and immoral, but nobody is forcing you to join the military, and you are allowed to defend yourself from invaders. There will always be corruption, no system is perfect, more people than ever of awake than ever before, thanks in part to the Internet, it’s not all Gloom and Doom.

              Peace!

              • generalbottlewasher says:

                P-Frogg : thanks to HRS for the Christopher Bollyn presentation on 911. Gives us a new lexicon of
                ” follow the Zionists” like “follow the money” in solving crimes.
                http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVHstSrC1CQ
                First I’ve heard of C.Bollyn. Watch it,combine that with Sybell’s legal concept of Americans as complicit Co-conspirators in high crimes perpetrated since the Oklahoma City bombing and mix in some Robt.David Steel and ranger justice . Shake well and tell me what would you suggest (solutions) be done about (Santa,the American Dream enigma ) high crimes of perjury by MSM ,state sponsored,complicit treason and murder,(killer sitting in plain sight).
                You certainly don’t have to respond to my abstract question, just nursing an abscessed molar and wanted to see how repairitive your reasoning might be.
                My swabby Vietnam vet.says it would take at lest 50 million like minded Americans to cause an action . I would suggest if that many withheld their tax payments we would see some action toward justice for the victims.Truth and reconciliation with a lot
                of lock them up.

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      Sooner man, You got it. Ok by me.
      Dang! The Tulsa-Tahlequah area is so beautiful. It is a shame they chemtrail that area so much.
      Back in 2005, there was a strong 9/11 Truth Group in the Tulsa area. They burned the hell out of DVDs, selling them for cost, and I bought a bunch. Plus, they sent extra titles just to educate me. It sure helped me on my road.

  11. Not Another Not-Bot! says:

    What’s the difference between apathy and indifference?

    I don’t know, and I don’t care.

  12. Neo says:

    And what if they dont wanna be free? What if they really want someone who tell them always the same fairy tales?
    What if they need These so to say structures? Safety… Someone who is there taking all the sense of decision away…
    Washing them “free”
    Saying all is fine nothing to fear..
    Denying the fact that adults do not wanna listen to fairy tales is denying your children do…!

    • wingsuitfreak says:

      In the larger scheme of things those people choose to not matter. Sad, but it is their choice to make. Not mine. Good observation though.

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      Neo,
      Good point.

      ANECDOTE
      One Christmas season in the 1950’s when I was about 5 and my brother about 4, my parents broke the news about Santa Clause.
      It was the evening after having opened our gifts. We were both in our ‘cowboy pajamas’ sitting low to the table edge having milk and cookies. My brother and I had a big discussion about there being ‘no Santa Clause’, and what a rook it was to not have a Santa Clause. We both complained to each other…“Oh! I wish there really was a Santa Clause.”
      We both felt cheated, jipped. Not because of the deception, but because the fairy tale wasn’t true. In our minds, it should have been true.

      • wingsuitfreak says:

        When I was about 5 or 6, our parents left us alone, while they went somewhere for a little bit. I immediately went to their closet and found a bag of clothes. I then dragged my sisters over and told them it was our Christmas presents. It was August or so, but what is time to a kid who gets to tick off his sisters? That was when I solemnly told them that their was no Santa. I wasn’t lying, because that was my logic as well. How was I to know I was right? 🙂

  13. brian.s says:

    Power is who gets to define reality – and who gets to accept it. (I read that recently from Dorothy Rowe – is it not true?)

    Power is therefore given to definitions and beliefs in exchange for what we (believe) we get back. Narrative continuity is such a core sense of self – that perhaps few realize it operates all the time as the maintainer of subjective persistence in time over and against a world of objects and others.

    In pure presence terms you get to experience reality in terms of the definitions and core beliefs you currently are accepting true for you. The law – as you sow so shall you reap applies within Consciousness – such that reaping conflict is a faithful feedback to conflicting self-definition – which as an infant or child had to be adapted within but as an awakening being becomes the basis for curiosity and enquiry as to what definitions are active to bring such a result.

    It is not the framing of conflicts that is valid feedback – but the acceptance of a fear or dominance narrative in place of a genuine relationship that indicates the loss of true relations to

    In human identification in personality terms we are all in some sense operating under terror – for the masking off – along with masking as – is a dissociation of evasion of hated and feared experience so as never to relive it. This takes different forms but is the core separation trauma of abandonment, rejection, betrayal, pain and loss, rage and powerlessness, dissociation and investment in the masking persona as psychic-emotional survival.

    If others are perceived in such light or lack of light – I ask what lens are you using to see through? What sets of judgements are held unquestioningly as ‘true’ that bring back the reports that ‘prove’ you right?

    What narrative beliefs and agreements do we then ‘share’ and strengthen in the currency of thought that shapes the ‘collective’ reality – allowing for that ‘official reality’ gets given a masking conformity so as to persist in the ‘freedoms’ still available within the masked sense of self and life.

    It may be true to say that reality is not at all as our models assert and that periodic renewals operate to refresh or realign the willingness to live from wholeness that is denied and suppressed by the mask – which is both a personal AND a collective vehicle for the experiencing of life in the ‘physical’ – allowing that the experiencing is always a consciousness of beholding – regardless what is beheld and how it is defined.

    The lock-down of consciousness as a result of trauma runs as if real in place of re-opening to arenas of mapped out past fears. But denial breeds reflections that deny and the entanglement of personality fragments reaches to a state of paralysis over negativity reinforced by all the force of will brought to deny it. But it is not true will so much as the perversion or distortion of true desire under false self-definition… running as if true. contd.https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/endtime.html

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