Interview 1472 – Kashmir in Crisis with Mohamad Junaid

08/21/2019124 Comments

The Indian government has created a crisis by stripping the state of Jammu and Kashmir of its former semi-autonomy and splitting it into two territories. What are the roots of this crisis and what can we expect to develop in this volatile region? Joining us to dissect the past, present and future of Kashmir is Kashmiri scholar Mohamad Junaid of the Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts.

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Crisis in Kashmir: What Does It Mean?

DISOBEDIENT BODIES, DEFIANT OBJECTS: OCCUPATION, NECROPOLITICS, AND THE RESISTANCE IN KASHMIR

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  1. ShaQ says:

    Problem with the speaker is that he is giving the viewer the idea there is a serious Muslim vs Hindu issue at play here and that’s about it. His history lesson starts at 1947, and only Kashmir, Pakistan and Indian state involved. Duh!!

    Myself being an Indian Hindu from India, have multiple friends and colleagues here who are Muslims, have seen many Muslims celebrating the recent Kashmir moves. One has to be aware that there is so much more to Kashmir than just what you have heard in this video or otherwise.

    Stepping away from the topic to give you an idea there is more to it.
    The Opposition – Congress, without any debate have created serious structural issues in India that will take decades to undo.

    To name one, Congress along with the Liberal Left wing Indian media created a Muslim + Liberal narrative to stay in power for 60 long years. During this period they manufactured chaos all over the place, along with the idea that India and Indians have created zero value in this global world through the centuries. This in turn created a scenario for the Indian educated population to look down upon the very country they were born and educated in, and run away to a different country without understanding – why it is what it is. This manufactured crisis, without any debate whatsoever, primarily helped the West – the US in particular. The US created a massive empire with the highly educated Indians to work for the puppet masters, with the petro dollar and American exceptionalism being the backbone of the system, along with manufactured chaos everywhere else. This is the greatest intellectual theft in History. Not just limited to India.

    To name another, the laws of the land back here in India, has ensured all religions other than the Hindu religion are treated above par. The other religious institutions which get funding from various sources can and continue to use this funding to further their religion, create educational institutions, hospitals, charity, and so on. In other words, completely in control of their own finance. The Hindu temples on the other hand, numerous major temples are controlled by the independent states and appoint a “manager” to manage the finances. Preventing them from running schools, hospitals, charity, etc. Tying the hands of the intuitions which in turn furthered the agenda of financially/economically/emotionally – frustrated/poor/vulnerable Hindus getting converted further by the European church funded missionary organizations. Even in a major city like Bangalore, I have seen Churches open up overnight like candy stores. Paid conversions is the name of the game. I myself know of lower middle class and poor class people who are paid to convert and who have done it. A few thousands to a few lakhs of rupees is all that is needed and is massive for many of them living a difficult life. Also the Idea that Hindu practices are very inferior and downright silly to remaining religions, and that other religions are all big bright and wonderful.

    [SNIP – Please keep comments to 500 words or less. -JC]

    • phreedomphile says:

      ShaQ, the people of India and the people of Kashmir have something very important in common. They are both in the midst of having their essential public resources privatized. It’s a new form of international corporatist serfdom that will erase any semblance of democracy or autonomy.

      On July 9, 2019, Rising Kashmir published an article reporting “the Kashmir Economic Alliance (KEA) has decried State Government’s decision to privatize distribution of electricity”. KEA Co Chairman Farooq Ahmad Dar called the move “anti people” adding to mounting financial hardships and, in addition, through privatization of the power sector, the water resources of the State would be exploited further. “Already our water resources have been exploited for many years. But now with this step, the power generated from the State will be supplied to other States while Kashmir will be left to the mercy of God.”

      And Indians are facing a privatization tidal wave outlined by no less than The Economist on May 23, 2019 in an article titled “India’s Stealth Privatisation”. It was explained that the process is being encouraged by government officials who are letting state firms wither. Despite the setback of insufficient bidding for India Airlines, the plan continues moving ahead to include privatization of a wide variety of industries so far including telecommunication, automobile production, watches, fertilizer, utilities, steel, finance, etc.

      All Brick Road Initiative participating nations are doing the same, catching up with or perhaps leapfrogging over the west at this point. The entire continent of S. America on this same path as well, including Venezuela. Also the middle east, Russia – likely no exceptions.

      Our common enemy works like termites feverishly chewing through our societal and cultural structures. Hindus losing their cultural footing to conversion bribes is one small facet of this process.

      Research the common thread of Sustainable Development and UN Agenda 2030.

      • ShaQ says:

        I agree that this is a very serious issue and align with the policies of Capitalistic control and so on. But this is Not just limited to Kashmir. We see this allover where the state ceases to function and then privatization comes riding on a white horse to offer a workable solution to the hyper frustrated people who gobble it up due to desperation.
        What is going to happen in Kashmir is development with numerous jobs and growth. But as usual the primary beneficiaries will the capitalist elite.

        Like I mentioned earlier, this looks like a trade off.

        • phreedomphile says:

          Well, it’s not formally capitalism. Sustainable Development is the driver for Technocracy and its outer vestige is a type of Marxism and techno communism which camouflages a new more powerful form of fascism. It is entirely global and implemented uniformly across the board if one peers behind the geopolitical chaos.

          The levels of extreme control and surveillance will be at first placated with technological convenience such as widespread smartphone use, the gateway ‘drug’. It metastasizes quickly. Aggressive depopulation tactics including sterilization are already beginning with case reports of Uighur women being chemically sterilized.

          We don’t have much time left, my friend, to create a massive global consciousness shift in the manner and spirit of Gandhi.

      • jamila says:

        Thank you for this comment, following the money is what James as mentioned over and over through the years. I am very interested to know who else will be making money from this bold step. – Also this step puts me in mind of what the people of Palestine suffers from the Zionist movement.

  2. dregeye says:

    James, do you find any value in this U2b channel?
    Dr FAB MD
    https://www.youtube.com/user/fbuk1234/videos

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      I saw a previous post and watched some of a video.
      Unfortunately, there are a lot of assumptions and insinuations with no reference sources for the fact checking.

      • dregeye says:

        So, you mean, like Mr. Junaid’s entire “Disobedient Bodies” article that is “referrenced” by Mr. Corbett?
        (“no referrence sources for fact checking” indicated anywhere I could find)
        I’m curious as to the “standard” for what is or is not of value.

  3. michael_harrison says:

    Thank you for this interesting interview James. Have been curious and confused about what is going on in that region.. As usual, the more you learn, the more complicated it gets..

    • HomeRemedySupply says:

      Ditto here.

      I am disappointed in the so-called “Liberal Community”, as they have not loudly raised their voice in alarm. Junaid rightly points out the Liberal attitude shift during this era, which again, demonstrates how perceptions, attitudes and information are being denigrated by “The Powers That Should Not Be”.

      ONE MILLION SOLDIERS in such a small region!
      It is hard to wrap one’s head around that.

      • generalbottlewasher says:

        Homey ; don’t you see the English partition in India and Palestine outcomes as very similar. The Pakistani and Israeli Palestinian and Indian reality comes from a common denominator. I might point out the English lose of the Colonies may be a complex part of these conflicts. The exit strategy in two places and the retaking for the third has been done as you say , denigrated by one, however complex “TPTSB “.
        If TPTSB could be extracated from this existence would peace break out after so many atrocities by the manipulated parties?
        Complex beyond belief as it is I see a common evil entity at the center of all these previous Anglo-establishment colonies and creations.
        James has stirred the pot,or kicked the hornets nest, by reading the ThemTube comments. I made the observation that the Indians are a great deal more civil than the Zionists in their comments of ire and condemnation of our Canadian expat comentator in Japan. James is showing a little grit here and I compliment that completely.

        • Duck says:

          ‘Homey ; don’t you see the English partition in India and Palestine outcomes as very similar…..’

          It wasn’t EXACTLY a partition since “INDIA” was not a thing prior to the British occupation, it was a sub continent covered by little kingdoms and ethnic groups and in no way a unified entity.
          The British did play sides off vs each other, but people act as if india was ever in any way a real nation state before the brits showed up…. to be honest, the muslims genocided tons of hindus long before the brits got there…. and both sides will do the same as soon as they are able.
          Honestly, the partition was probably the best outcome they could hope for prior to going back to killing each other like before the empire stopped them from doing so (quite as much) as they had before.

          ‘..The Pakistani and Israeli Palestinian and Indian reality comes from a common denominator….’
          Only in that the force to allow jewish immigration to Palestine was the british empire… the indians ethnic groups have been killing each other since before the muhguls

    • jamila says:

      Ditto here also.

  4. FatKat says:

    Watching now, glad to be hearing more about what is going on in the world. Hope the week is going well!!

  5. bharani says:

    Hi James and Corbett readers and supporters.

    I don’t share your immediate concern about Kashmir. Modi is no dummy and he is racist as having a “Politically potent racism against Indian Muslims” [1]. He is treating Kashmiris and their land much like Netanyahu and Israel treats the Palestinians. [4]

    His position is actually strategic along ethnic lines as he shares a view of ethnic purity so to speak with Xi and Netanyahu so there is no real worry about China or the USA. (The USA stood by the destruction of Tibetan culture via China).

    Modi, Xi, Putin have been working out problems for some time [2] [3]

    So Modi’s move now is because he is being courted by the USA, China, Russia, and Israel. So his position is very safe at this time. Also since the Belt and Road and SCO are so important to China, Russia and Pakistan he can do what he wants for now.

    Imperialism or racism marches on.

    NOTES:

    [1] https://theprint.in/opinion/nearly-four-years-rule-something-like-modi-ism/31156/

    [2] Asia
    Xi, Modi, Putin seek to strengthen multilateral world order
    The meeting between Indian PM Narendra Modi, Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the G20 summit reinforces the multilateral nature of the world today, say experts.
    The three leaders’ meeting in Osaka last week came days after they got together to discuss mutually relevant issues on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit, which took place in the Kyrgyz capital of Bishkek earlier in June.
    https://www.dw.com/en/xi-modi-putin-seek-to-strengthen-multilateral-world-order/a-49428304

    [3] Russia-India-China share a room with a view
    • by Pepe Escobar
    • Saturday 29 Jun 19
    No leaks from their trilateral at the G20, but the trend toward togetherness is clear
    The most important trilateral at the G20 in Osaka was confined to a shoddy environment unworthy of Japan’s unrivaled aesthetic minimalism.
    Japan excels in perfect planning and execution. So it’s hard to take this setup as an unfortunate “accident.” At least the – unofficial – Russia-India-China summit at the sidelines of the G20 transcended the fate of an interior decorator deserving to commit seppuku.
    Leaders of these three countries met in virtual secrecy. The very few media representatives present in the shabby room were soon invited to leave. Presidents Putin, Xi and Modi were flanked by streamlined teams who barely found enough space to sit down. There were no leaks. Cynics would rather joke that the room may have been bugged anyway. After all, Xi is able to call Putin and Modi to Beijing anytime he wants to discuss serious business.
    http://thealtworld.com/pepe_escobar/russia-india-china-share-a-room-with-a-view

    [4] West Bank status quo shares eerie similarities with Kashmir
    Yossi Beilin August 12, 2019

    Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi likes to say that he is married to politics. It is obvious that he has an agenda of Hinduism before all else, and he has no shame in implementing it. The enormous support that he got in the July election for India’s parliament encouraged him to take vigorous steps toward that goal. Last week, for instance, he led an effort in the Indian legislature to repeal the Indian Constitution’s Article 370, which has granted autonomy to the state of Jammu and Kashmir since the creation of India and Pakistan back in 1947.

    [SNIP – Please keep comments to 500 words or less. -JC]

  6. manbearpig says:

    my modest and simplistic understanding of the situation at the moment;

    It seems

    Colonialist Britain really made perfectly sure they left an impossible geo-political/human disaster upon physically exiting India in “47 (leaving its groomed vassal agent, the Muharaja Singh in place).

    Given that the hindu minority in Kashmir enjoyed higher social status than the muslim majority even before the partitioning of India (during the Paramountcy) and in view of the (engineered?) religious antagonism that resulted in the creation of Pakistan, and considering Kashmir’s dependence on India economically and defensively prior to “47 and seeing how the Kashmir state was subsequently partitioned

    it’s hard to imagine how India could ever have “safely” allowed Kashmir to have total Independence what with Pakistan conniving to snap it up and China drooling all over the region as well.

    After several Indo-Pakistani conflicts over the territory and with Pakistani-backed liberation movements beginning in the late 80s how could Kashmir have become anything but a jackbooted police state? With upwards of 500,000 terrorized and displaced Pandit refugees to boot?

    Nevertheless, Mr. Junaid points out that:

    “…Many Indian economists themselves have been saying that despite all the state violence in Kashmir and the clampdowns, the human development indicators in Kashmir are way better than many of the other states that are directly ruled by Mr. Modi’s own party…”

    No I certainly can’t imagine living under such harsh military rule and I have never condoned supremecist genocides nor military occupation, terror or brutality.

    And I’m no Modi fan.

    But I have difficulty imagining what India could have done better strategically speaking considering everything at stake (Water, Silk Roads, Pipelines etc.)? Considering the legacy Colonialist Britain left the entire region…

    I don’t consider India’s actions in Kashmir as directly comparable to Israel’s actions in Palestine but I would say that the two brutalized/martyrized police-state run countries are both the victims of British/Zionist imperialist ambitions.

    Anyhow, I’m genuinely grateful to Mr. Corbett for having offered this opportunity to learn more about the region, its peoples and what’s at stake there. I hope I’ll continue to find time to deepen my understanding, also thanks to knowledgeable Corbett commenters.

    • manbearpig says:

      p.s. as far as I can tell, a considerable percentage (hard to say what percentage exactly) of the Kashmiri people understandably want their independence.

      But I don’t believe many want to accede to Pakistan which I imagine could conceivably be the nearly immediate outcome were they to gain independence… seems they’ll always have avidly encroaching neighbors whatever happens…

      anyhow, one o’clock in the morning, almost time to crank the hamsterwheel zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

    • bharani says:

      I appreciate your time to flesh out the history. Thank you

    • Duck says:

      ‘..Colonialist Britain really made perfectly sure they left an impossible geo-political/human disaster upon physically exiting India in “47..’
      India was never a unified nation state… it waslots of little kingdoms and tribes and ethnic groups made to live under the union jack and kept relatively peaceful by force- kinda like Yugoslavia under Tito.

      ‘.. and in view of the (engineered?) religious antagonism that resulted in the creation of Pakistan…’
      You cant blame the brits for ethnic hate and genocides that preceded them by centuries though they DID play sides off vs each other to keep a dominant position. The hindus can be very violent, i know a guy whos dad was disappointed his son refused to come home, become a pastor and get regularly beaten with rods by hindus for preaching Christianity… but the muslims are just as violent, possibly more so thanks to outside interests.
      The sad truth is that you can have an multi racial state without force, but you CANT really have a multi CULTURAL state without force because people- especial poor people- do not like living with each other.
      The imposition of a state on people that naturally do not like each other and do not WANT to live with each other is the problem… you can blame the British for that.

  7. generalbottlewasher says:

    What are the commonalities here with the Milner-Round Tables of the First World War.
    1. Demonizing enemy
    2. Arms and Armies suppliers
    3. Future financing of big projects
    4. Transfer of territory
    5. Religions
    6. Secret deals outside national interests
    7. Eugenics
    8. Financial burden shifted to population.
    9. Propaganda gone wild
    10. Ethnic exploitation
    11. Anglo-American Establishment involvement or non-envolvement
    or delayed envolvement
    12. I give…kill the idea not the group dejour who process the
    idea. Do that and India will be as peaceful as before
    Montbatton came on the scene. Maybe its an illusion trick that
    needs killing, and no one could remember how the trick was
    preformed after its demise.

    • manbearpig says:

      The interesting perspective in the first opinion piece linked herein (below) is complementary to the second which is particularly eye-opening:

      Kashmir’s struggle did not start in 1947 and will not end today

      India’s decision to revoke Article 370 is just another chapter in Kashmir’s long history of imperial oppression.
      Tamoghna Halderby Tamoghna Halder
      15 Aug 2019

      “…Ever since its annexation by the Mughal empire in 1589 AD, Kashmir has never been ruled by Kashmiris themselves. After the Mughals, the region was ruled by the Afghans (1753-1819), Sikhs (1819-46), and the Dogras (1846-1947) until the Indian and Pakistani states took over…”

      and goes on to evoke examples of the specific forms of oppression manifested by each successive regime.

      jazeera.com/indepth/opinion/kashmir-struggle-start-1947-today-190815093053238.html

      It gives a very general speed-train view of the history of the Kashmiri geo-strategically landlocked plight. Very general but generally accurate?

      Add to that view the EXTRAORDINARILY ARTICULATE RECAP below of the socio-politico-economic vision in this 2014 book review:

      India’s Love Affair with the Privatization of Everything

      Arundhati Roy’s new book, Capitalism: A Ghost Story, reveals the contours of power in India today.
      By Priyamvada Gopal

      https://www.thenation.com/article/indias-love-affair-privatization-everything/

      Of course, as phreedomphile points out, it’s important to view the situation within the Techno-tyrannical NWO Sustainable Development Agenda lens,

      and I’d say bearing in mind recent Modi moves such as the stealthy NGO-executed mass biometric census of the Indian population, the blitzkrieg cash manoueuver removing 86% of the country’s most used rupee-bills (forcing the poorer populations into banks (as a means to carry out a sort of financial/fiscal census?)), the planned smart cities, the BRICS and the Silk Roads…

    • manbearpig says:

      Milner’s club with fingers in Indian pies…

      and on an impertinent note I feel that

      Gandhi’s own fascination with the British bloodlines and racist attitude towards the “keffir” South African locals (and even Indian Dalits from what I saw somewhere…) seems to be reflected in Modi’s own RSS supremacist affiliations…making him open to…eugenical ambitions perhaps?

      Some observations from this January 2019 WW1 Q&A for Corbett comments board:

      https://www.corbettreport.com/qfc042/

      “…Thought these quotes made by Gandhi about Milner, Stead and supporting the British in South Africa offered an interesting perspective:

      Oct. 6, 1905
      “In all this computation, Lord Milner has overlooked one fact, viz., that, while the Kaffir hardly works for six months, the Chinese have to do so continuously for three years. Moreover, the Chinese being more active than the Kaffirs, much more work can be taken from them than from the latter. This is a very important point, but His Lordship utters not a word about it. Unless this is taken into account, Lord Milner’s figures are of no use whatever.” ~ Vol. IV, p. 312

      Oct. 21, 1905
      “We humbly submit that the decision to open the school for all Coloured children is unjust to the Indian community, and is a departure from the assurance given by the then Minister of Education, as also Sir Albert Hime and Mr. Robert Russell, that the school will be reserved for Indian children only.” ~ Vol. IV, p. 402

      June 1, 1906
      “The Boer Government insulted the Indians by classing them with the Kaffirs.” ~ Vol. V, p. 59

      Mar. 17, 1906
      “The ousting of the Kaffirs from the Bazaar at Pretoria is wrong; for, whatever the law, Indians have for many years now earned rentals from Kaffir tenants. It behoves the Government to ensured that Indians do not suffer any loss on this account.” ~ Vol. V, p. 129

      May 22, 1906
      “It was a gross injustice to seek to place Indians in the same class as the Kaffirs.” ~ Vol. V, p. 226

      Nov. 6, 1906
      “Mr. Stead has boldly come out to give us all the help he can. He was therefore requested to write to the Boer leaders that they should not consider Indians as being on the same level as Kaffirs.” ~ Vol. VI, p. 112…”

      http://originalpeople.org/mahatma-gandhi-racist-quotes/

      and then there’s his devotion to his British confidante, Mira Behn

      • manbearpig says:

        From January 2019 Q&A for Corbett comments board/ Continued from above comment (currently in moderation queue):

        “…I’m sure it’s all quite commendable and all that but there’s something about this high level naval Intelligence agent’s daughter that intrigues me…

        “…Mirabehn often accompanied Gandhi on his tours and looked after his personal needs. She became one of Gandhi’s confidants and an ardent champion internationally for India’s freedom from British rule

        and was with Gandhi at the London Round Table Conference in 1931.

        In 1934 she made a brief visit to the United States for lectures and radio talks and met first lady Eleanor Roosevelt for an interview at the White House. Before returning to India, she conducted interviews with a number of British politicians in the United Kingdom—Sir Samuel Hoare, Lord Halifax, Winston Churchill, David Lloyd George, and Clement Attlee—as well as the South African leader Jan Smuts…”…”

        and

        “Slade/Beale Family Tree Fragments

        …Admiral Sir Edmond John Warre Slade (20 Mar 1859-20 Jan 1928) who was successively commander of the Royal Naval War College (May 04-Nov 07), Director of Naval Intelligence (-Mar 09) CIC East Indes (-12)

        and then sent by Churchill to investigate purchasing a 51% stake in the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (now BP). He became a Government-appointed director of BP. He retired in Aug 1917 but remained a director of Anglo-Persian until his death.

        In 1887 he married Florence Madeleine, eldest daughter of Mr James Carr Saunders of Milton Heath, Dorking (but born in Reigate, Surrey in 1870), and had two daughters:
        Madeline Slade who became Meera Behn (1892-1982)

        a consort of Ghandi’s

        and another daughter – I don’t know…”

        http://www.starcourse.org/emd/sladebeale.htm

        She seems like she might’ve singlehandedly been a very handy transition team indeed from British rule to so-called “Independance”…

      • manbearpig says:

        ERRATUM:

        “…Gandhi’s own fascination with the British bloodlines and racist attitude towards the “keffir” South African locals (and even Indian Dalits from what I saw somewhere…) seems to be reflected in Modi’s own RSS supremacist affiliations…making him open to…eugenical ambitions perhaps?…”

        the “him” in the last sentence refers to Modi and so should be:

        “that would make him, Modi, vulnerable to being used for eugenical ambitions as Gandhi may have unwittingly been before him.”

        • manbearpig says:

          Sorry, the word is “Kaffir” not “Keffir” and has since taken on an extremely offensive and contemptuous connotation.

          In a highly provocative article by Dalit Diva published on Medium is included the following quote by Gandhi expressing his views on the Caste system:

          “…“I believe that if Hindu society has been able to stand, it is because it is founded on the Caste system. … A community which can create the Caste system must be said to possess unique power of organization. … To destroy the Caste system and adopt the Western European social system means that Hindus must give up the principle of hereditary occupation which is the soul of the Caste system. [The] hereditary principle is an eternal principle. To change it is to create disorder. … It will be a chaos if every day a Brahmin is to be changed into a Shudra and a Shudra is to be changed into a Brahmin. The Caste system is a natural order of society…”

          Of course this is a Savarna view of the Varna system. No Dalit believes that the law of heredity and the forcing of Caste occupations on to them is just. No Dalit wants to be a bonded labor or manual scavenger by choice. Further Gandhi tries to present in his early writings a softer gentler version of Varna where the Caste system is seen as one big family. This is a manipulative idea, for in what family are some allowed to learn and others forced to pick up the shit of others?
          To that end he spoke of the evils of untouchability but not of the eradication of the system that led to it! His limited Savarna imagination could only see Dalits continuing their caste occupations — forever.

          This idea is brought to its fruition in his appalling essay the Ideal Bhangi. Bhangi is the caste name of a group of Dalits who are manual scavengers. These castes are forced to pick up the garbage and shit of Savarnas. It is a filthy and despicable slavery that could only have been created under the caste system. It is disheartening to read words where Gandhi imagines the extension of such a profession that would include “his ideal” Bhangi who would be trained to pick up the shit of Savarna Castes, analyse it for their health, and create sewer systems for all as part of their sacred duty. The full quote below:
          Yes. This is Gandhi…”

          https://medium.com/@dalitdiva/why-it-is-time-to-dump-gandhi-b59c7399fe66

          And she has a lot more to say in the same article that you’ve probably never heard before.

          • bharani says:

            Thank you all for this extensive background info.

            • manbearpig says:

              Thank you for your links as well, bharani.

              We’re all just trying to understand, get perspective, get to the heart of it. Everything needs to be further researched, checked, corroborated and cross-checked, also by doing what we’re doing here.

              Be well.

          • Duck says:

            The word ‘kafir’ or ‘Kuffir’ means ‘infidel’, to muslims, and was taken up for some reason by the culturally Dutch Protestant Afrikaners who settled in South Africa in the 16-1700’s as a name for blacks moving into the area from the north as both racial groups genocided and dispossessed the indigenous people such as hottentots.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir
            Muslims still use it, but its not a racial thing for them.

          • manbearpig says:

            The closest I could come to an original source for Gandhi’s views on the caste system comes from Chapter 11, part 2 of a text called

            “What Congress and Gandhi Have done to the Untouchables” written in 1945 by Dr. B R Ambedkar.

            I don’t speak Gujarathi so I can’t vouch for the translation by Mr. Ambedkar who cites his sources in footnotes. He translates Gandhi’s words on Castes thusly:

            “The best remedy is that small castes should fuse themselves into one big caste. There should be four such big castes so that we may reproduce the old system of four varnas.”
            [f.2] :

            -1. I believe that the divisions into Varna is based on birth.

            -2. There is nothing in the Varna system which stands in the way of the Shudra acquiring learning or studying military art of offence or defence. Contra it is open to a Kshatriya to serve. The Varna system is no bar to him. What the Vavna system enjoins is that

            a Shudra will not make learning a way of earning a living. Nor will a Kshatriya adopt service as a way of earning a living.

            [Similarly a Brahmin may learn the art of war or trade.. But he must not make them a way of earning his living. Contra a Vaishya may acquire learning or may cultivate the art of war. But he must not make them a way of earning his living.

            -3. The varna system is connected with the way of earning a living. There is no harm if a person belonging to one varna acquires the knowledge or science and art specialised in by persons belonging to other varnas. But as far as the way of earning his living is concerned he must follow the occupation of the varna to which he belongs which means he must follow the hereditary profession of his forefathers.

            -4. The object of the varna system is to prevent competition and class struggle and class war. I believe in the varna system because it fixes the duties and occupations of persons,

            -5. Varna means the determination of a man’s occupation before he is born.

            -6. In the Varna system no man has any liberty to choose his occupation. His occupation is determined for him by heredity.”

            http://ambedkar.org/ambcd/41L.What%20Congress%20and%20Gandhi%20CHAPTER%20XI.htm

            [f.1]It is reprinted in Vol. 11 of the series called Gandhi Sikshan as No, 18,

            [f.2]The extracts are taken from an article by Mr. Gandhi on the subject and is reproduced in the Varna Vayavastha—a book which contains Mr. Gandhi’s writings in original Gujarathi.

            Unfortunately there seem to be typos in, at least, chapter 9 of the text concerning dates (where “8” should be “3”?) as they come after the writing of the text itself and the death of its author in 1956.

            • manbearpig says:

              My Wondrous Wikipédia fest on B R Ambedkar:

              Why is he relevant to this comments board? uhhhhhhhh… Ah!

              Opposition to Article 370:

              …”Members of the Bharatiya Janata Party state that Ambedkar opposed Article 370 of the Constitution of India, which granted special status to the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and

              it was included in the constitution against his wishes…

              …According to Dhananjay Veer’s biography of Ambedkar, when asked in a press conference, whether Article 370 helped solve the problem of Kashmir, he responded that it was unfair on the part of Kashmir to expect India to provide military and other necessary services but not merge with it…”

              Who was B R Ambedkar?

              “the founding father of modern India”

              Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar (14 April 1891 – 6 December 1956), popularly known as Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar, was an Indian jurist, economist, politician and social reformer who inspired the Dalit Buddhist movement and campaigned against social discrimination towards the untouchables (Dalits), while also supporting the rights of women and labour. He was independent India’s first law and justice minister, the architect of the Constitution of India, and a founding father of the Republic of India. In India and elsewhere, he was often called Babasaheb, meaning “respected father” in Marathi and Hindi.
              Ambedkar was a prolific student earning doctorates in economics from both Columbia University and the London School of Economics …

              …Support for uniform civil code

              During the debates in the Constituent Assembly, Ambedkar demonstrated his will to reform Indian society by recommending the adoption of a Uniform Civil Code.[93][94] Ambedkar resigned from the cabinet in 1951, when parliament stalled his draft of the Hindu Code Bill, which sought to enshrine gender equality in the laws of inheritance and marriage….

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._R._Ambedkar#Opposition_to_Article_370

              So, reportedly, if Mr. Ambedkar, a founding father of the Republic of India, had had his way, this comments board would ever have existed as there never would have been an Article 370 in the first place.

              😯

            • bharani says:

              Thank you manbearpig. Very enlightening. I would like to add that by heredity we are human. I add that for those of us (myself included) who may immediately dismiss the teachings of the Varna system.

              While I have much to learn about the Varna system. What little I know is that within the Buddhas monastic Sangha all castes were accepted.

              The above makes this even more understandable as being a member of the monastic sangha you did not earn your living. Your were a mendicant with the principal task of achieving liberation. So at least to me it appears not to violate the rule of making a living outside of the occupation determined by heredity.

              • manbearpig says:

                Well bharani, a sincere thanks for your certainly undeserved thanks.

                Honestly, I’m not exactly sure what “being accepted” by the Buddha’s monastic Sangha means but I sure can imagine why someone might not want to be born into the human excrement disposal caste and why they might resent a prominent someone’s sophistry condemning them to that ongoing fate.

                Apart from sheer iconoclasm, (the definition of which was hitherto unbeknownst to me) I don’t know what brought me on the path of seeking Gandhi’s weaknesses and inconsistencies…I guess it happened some time around the time I discovered the notion of “gatekeeping”, Chomsky’s methods and Sibel Edmonds’ histrionics…

                Be Well.

              • bharani says:

                Hi MBP,

                I am speaking historically. If you ever wonder why Buddhists monks and nuns wore robes and shave/cut their hair is it brings anonymity as well as just cleanliness and ease of practice. In that time women were generally prevented from following the path of the mendicant. As nuns and monks robed and shaved it was hard to tell what gender they were and thus they were able by in large to follow the Buddhist path of liberation. Likewise for the Dalits.

                It appears I mistook the quote “The object of the varna system is to prevent competition and class struggle and class war. I believe in the varna system because it fixes the duties and occupations of persons,” as a position you shared. Still it really helped me understand why the Buddha worked the way he did. And for that I truly appreciate your links and research.

              • manbearpig says:

                Well anyway bharani, whatever the case may be, we’re both in good faith and trying to understand each other without judging the messenger so…

                that’s already unusual and exemplary!

                A reason for rejoicing!

                so Cheers dear!

                😎

              • manbearpig says:

                bharani,

                Since you’re the only one who seems interested in the Gandhi stuff I post at the Corbett Report, I must say that, though no mention is made of Mirabehn, the link below was quite a gratifying read for me as the writer had come to many of the same conclusions I had on some basic facts of Gandhi’s life, only he pushed his research further:

                https://www.nevyns-lab.com/mathis/mirror/mileswmathis.com/fakir.pdf

                Whether or not you come to the same conclusions or not you have to recognize his hypotheses do not come out of thin air.

                There’s just the photo thing at the end, his major revelation that I must look into further before determining whether or not I find it credible.

                as a fairly irrelevant side note, I find it interesting as well that a certain number of the top positions of the world’s most powerful companies are occupied by Indians as described in a 2015 Foreign Policy article…

              • bharani says:

                MBP,

                Thank you for the information on Ghandhi. I am reading it. Quite eyeopening.

                As far as understanding my earlier posts my communication ability is a bit foggy. Sorry about that. I do appreciate everyones input.

                take care

  8. alexandre says:

    Just a small suggestion from a bewildered musician.
    Orientalism seems to be a big problem that should, if possible, be understood before going into the perplexing infinite intricacies of local politics in regions we don’t know much about – and what we do know could already be suspicious.

    SO….I suggest something like this:
    https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/opinion/edward-said-a-complex-phenomenon/

    I did make the parallel in my mind between Kashmir and Palestine, although not so sure about it. And lots of Déjà vus during the interview, since the campaigns seem to be always the same, only adapted to local costumes. (Global plan implemented locally – ring a bell?)

    Anyway…

    “The conceptualization of the Orient by the colonizer was highly politicized, romanticized, discriminatory, racial, stereotypical and therefore suspect. Said (Edward Said) unveiled it as a tool of imperialistic domination, a political strategy for colonial expansion.”

    … seems to be something to consider carefully – and this concept of the orient could be held by orientals themselves at this point, just as Brazilians in general believe their country to be something closer to the US concept than to the local reality. Caution is needed in subjects like Kashmir.

    That is, unless Edward Said is a suspicious figure himself to Corbeteers, and maybe Corbett himself?

    Just a thought.

    PS – In any case, what seems to worry JC most of all is the region and the possibility of nuclear war there. Right?

      • bharani says:

        thanks for the link.

      • bharani says:

        PS: All I know about the thinking of Edward Said is from this book with Daniel Barenboim, “Parallels and Paradoxes: Explorations in Music and Society”. What is extraordinary to me is that both these amazing people had unique views of the Israeli and Palestinian tragedy. These views did not destroy their friendship. The friendship shows that very difficult issues can be explored deeply, openly and without rancor. Something the world leaders of today fail to employ.

        • alexandre says:

          bharani, sorry I didn’t reply. I only saw your comment now. Yes, these guys come closer to the word “human” than the so called leaders, which work in the opposite direction, and not by accident or incompetence. They reach their positions precisely because of that.

          I was a bit scared to mention Said, because one mark of this millennium is to find out that your heroes were almost all part of the “wrong side”, you know. I saw a text by someone long ago affirming that Jung was a nazi, and things like that. But your comment was a relief.

          It just occurred to me. This duo you mention – Said Barenboim – could be viewed as positive propaganda. There’s a thought for James. One being Palestinian and the other Jewish would be the sort of thing that propagandists would do, but in this case is to “sell” the right idea. Just a positive thought (for me kind of rare…)

    • manbearpig says:

      Yes, I imagine Mr. Corbett is probably most concerned about this issue as a trigger (or pretext?) for nuclear war.

      As for Orientalism, though I abhor such negative manifestations of it that weaponize clichés about the Arab world specifically, as illustrated in the documentary “Reel Bad Arabs”, the trailer to which I’ll link again here:

      outube.com/watch?v=Ko_N4BcaIPY

      I must confess I’m a sucker for Orientalist paintings such as those by Gustav Bauerheind or those shown in the link below by Rudolf Ernst;

      http://www.hoocher.com/Rudolf_Ernst/Rudolf_Ernst.htm

      and others believe that Orientalism can even be a means of enhancing understanding between East and West as is evident in many Orientalist paintings where the artist expresses Wonder, curiosity and poetry rather than demeaning or stereotyping images.

    • manbearpig says:

      Remember NEOM?

      I’m thinking it might actually be the bab al Mandab strait to world war…

      About Energy, WE.

      “The growing Asian demand for oil and gas has enhanced the significance of Middle East chokepoints in global geopolitical balances. Security of navigation and port security are becoming an economic priority for all players in the Gulf”

      Eleonora Ardemagni

      Mar, 19 2019

      “…Large-scale infrastructure, tourist and industrial projects linked to the “Vision 2030” plan and post-oil diversification are all being developed on the Red Sea (King Abdullah Economic City, NEOM and Red Sea Project). Freedom of navigation and maritime security along Bab al-Mandeb are therefore a national priority for Riyadh, well beyond energy and trade considerations…

      …As Admiral Ferdinando Sanfelice di Monteforte of the Italian Navy pointed out in a recent article, the emerging maritime terrorism perpetrated by Houthi rebels in the Bab al-Mandeb region is distinct from piracy and its military capabilities are much more sophisticated. In the medium to long term, the security of ports constitutes an economic and security priority in a period of rapid infrastructure and logistics development.”

      https://www.aboutenergy.com/en_IT/topics/geostrategy-straits.shtml#

  9. cooly says:

    alexandre-

    Hey there Mr. FastFingers. (Nice guitar playing). Your last paragraph made my brain cell rattle again.

    First off, “Ze Big Bang” sounds like you’re channeling Pepe Le Pew. “I am ze locksmith of love” is my favorite.

    Anyway, I suggest that you should fear nuclear dangers. You are correct that it is used primarily as a fear factor. From what I understand, the bombing of Japan in ‘45 was to send a message to Russia and everyone else- “Don’t even think about fucking with us.”
    But the danger lies in the inherent retardation of humans. Deployment of nuclear weapons would most likely happen by accident. This has come close to happening more than once. It will eventually happen, I think. The human trash that calls the shots does not necessarily understand the ramifications of their actions. They are preoccupied with their assumed superiority and consider themselves immune personally. They are not brilliant people, just self absorbed, and accustomed to luxury, immunity, and privilege. After all, they live at a level where money is not even a thing. Or accountability. They seem to forget that social superiority and wealth are entirely relative.

    • alexandre says:

      Hey Cooly. Thanks for the fast fingers, ha. I’m playing now once a year, thanks to this new age of democratic misunderstandings (you are as good as the next raccoon, so wait your turn in line!), so … fingers not that fast anymore, but I still can defend myself in a bebop duel.

      I think you are talking about the wrong crowd – just to rattle our noodles a bit more. The elite’s elite, the proper toffs, as Billy Connolly would say, are not dumb or arrogant in the sense you described. But that’s my gut feeling after many years hearing all sorts of stuff. Nucelar bangs by mistake? I don’t think so, or it would have happened already. One of the Georges would already have fucked up, to say nothing of Reagan. Wouldn’t Israel (not the people, the label) love to see Palestine going up in “a mushroom cloud” (in Bush’s voice)? The “almost” stuff were just part of the same fear factor, in my view. Chomsky is absolutely convinced that we escaped nuclear holocaust back in the 60s because some navy official (one of three) refused to turn the key, or something like that, which when you consider the whole picture sounds a bit ridiculous. It does keep the power somewhere visible, though, which has a calming effect, I think. You don’t want to know that who really governs things is some other group that you can’t even think about since you know nothing about them. Way beyond queens, kings or corporations, up there beyond the stratosphere. So my suggestion (just my feeling) is that what we call “the elites”, or the TPTSB, are in fact executives working for the real elite, which we will never see or know about. (At least not without entering the murky waters of reptilian lineages and the like). I can’t defend my view in any way, but if a nuclear thing happens, it’s because it’s intended to happen and presidents, governments and queens have nothing to do with that at all.

      Rattle that cell!

      • Olaf says:

        You give them far too much credit than they deserve and that’s precisely how they want you to think of them. They don’t have anywhere near the kind of power that most people were led to believe they have.

        Hiroshima was fire bombed, not nuked. Nuclear weapons don’t exist.

        From the theory of general relativity, to the theory of special relativity, to the speed of light, to wave-particle duality, to quantum mechanics, to quantum loop gravity, to string theory, to the incorporation of the massless electron into their atomistic model, to their inability to explain what fields are, to the contrivance of dark matter and energy (due to the observation that galaxy rotation does not match gravitational math of relativity), to the contrivance of the neutrino particle (to help explain why particles in particle accelerators display no mass expansion or undergo any time dilation), to the big bang, to the Higgs Boson, to the faking of sending men to the moon, to the hoax of nuclear power and nuclear weapons and the fake atomic tests and on and on and on….

        The deeper you look into these things the more you understand how much we’ve been lied to and how really deep the rabbit hole goes.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

        • manbearpig says:

          Sincere question:

          If nuclear bombs Don’t exist, Olaf…

          What was my Dad testing (as a U.S. Army soldier/guinea pig himself) in the Nevada desert with live pigs in boxes at varying distances from ground 0 in 1952 and 53?

          Fire bombs?

          Contacted a quarter century later, reportedly, many soldiers like my Dad were diagnosed with cancer from the radiation they received by being present during these blasts (like the pigs, at varying distances from ground 0) and analysing these sites for radiation data just after the détonations?

          My Dad described these blasts to me: the light and then the noise and the Wind…?

          ??

          • Olaf says:

            Simple. They either lied to him and he was testing for something else, or he lied to you, or you’re just lying to me. Most probably the first.

            • manbearpig says:

              Ah…

              …my Dad didn’t like talking about himself, he only did so when pressed (not like me). One day when I was visiting him at his apartment, he received a phone call where someone was asking him a lot of questions about a letter he’d received from the government. He seemed, as usual, mildly to frankly irritated, as he always did when people barged into his studio apartment physically or by telephone (no internet in homes at the time). Of course, when he hung up, to irritate him further, I went on to ask him what all that was about and as I insisted he reluctantly answered me that it was some government representative who wanted him to go in for some sort of medical exam…Why??…he said because he’d been one of the soldiers involved in testing nuclear bombs in the desert during the early years… He certainly wasn’t going in for any medical exam (and thankfully he never suffered from cancer). He explained that it was the men in the previous couple of years who’d been most affected and I kept asking him questions about what exactly they had been doing and managed to get a few details such as those described in my comment above.

              And thanks to you, Olaf, I just found this May 2019 doc:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbBu6cWczTY

              minimalistically melo… propaganda? Probably…

              but are they lying?

  10. Olaf says:

    Will you stop looking into it?
    That was it?
    Could i send you some material later in the day?

  11. Olaf says:

    Just for the record…
    You say that you know a thing or two about theater and that you’re sure that those gentlemen are not acting or lying.

    How can you be sure of such a thing when these men are absolute trash at acting and the footage is clearly littered with leakage?

    It’s blowing my mind how you can’t see through this shit.

    I will just point out some of the leakage so you can take a closer second look at it. :

    2:17 – 2:22

    2:59 – 3:23

    3:33 – 3:41

    4:04 – 4:10

    4:14 – 4:41

    4:52 – 4:57

    5:02 – 5:07

    5:07 – 5:12

    5:18 – 5:23

    5:38 – 5:41

    5:42 – 5:59

    6:14 – 6:16

    6:16 – 6:19

    6:25 – 6:39

    6:39 – 6:50

    7:25 – 7:34

    8:03 – 8:07

    8:36 – 8:47

    9:10 – 9:20

    9:42 – 9:49

    10:21 – 10:25

    10:36 – 10:40

    10:49 – 11:19

    11:42 – 11:45

    11:45 – 12:00

    13:07 – 13:13

    13:42 – 13:52

    14:01 – 14:13

    14:21 – 14:40

    14:40 – 15:03

    15:03 – 15:40

    15:43 – 15:46

    16:03 – 16:15

    16:19 – 16:29

    16:49 – 16:58

    17:18 – 17:29

    18:54 – 19:02

    19:15 – 19:32

    19:59 – 20:06

    20:11 – 20:16

    20:39 – 20:50

    20:52 – 20:58

    • manbearpig says:

      Ok thanks, Olaf. Now please, save me some time and be more specific about what exactly you qualify as “leakage”.

      • Olaf says:

        What comes out as facial expressions and sounds when actors in this example cannot consistently keep their real/actual emotional state from showing during the act.

        • manbearpig says:

          Thank you. I’m afraid I really don’t see it.

          From 2:59 – 3:23 three different people are featured. I don’t see the “leakage”.

          I’ll try again tomorrow.

        • generalbottlewasher says:

          Olaf, sorry but I know from court child psychological testimony that is subjective and not reliable. However the Miller Institute papers on the nuclear proliferation could also be bogus. The speakers all could have been carrying on theater for appropriations from congress for defense contractors. If we could see their emotional state as they gave their lectures then in their time ,you might wonder about the truths, but from this now present time some of the future truths where disclosed to the audience then. You may be right, all things around the military and Washington should be viewed with a healthy scepticism. An as we know the CFA has a history of publishing and editing for the right effect and audience.

          • Olaf says:

            Well, what else was i going to comment on when i was specifically asked if the people in the video are lying or not?
            All opinions are subjective by their nature.
            Is their video testimony admissible in court?
            It’s not like i can find them and interrogate them can’t i?
            Their testimony wouldn’t be admissible in court then either wouldn’t it?

            What would make it be admissible in court?

            The nuclear /deception hoax is the ultimate weapon of mass distraction and fearmongering.
            They don’t fear that the technology will be leaked from “people working on the weapons” because it doesn’t exist.

            It is the “weapon” only governments “have”.
            It is the “weapon” only governments can conceive of, produce and fire.
            There is nowhere to hide from it.
            There is no way of formulating a plan to defend against it.
            They tell you to duck and cover and you take the fetal position and start praying.

            Their greatest weapon is the control of our minds.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8QgImg2TEs

            • HomeRemedySupply says:

              Olaf,
              In your opinion…
              Are “depleted uranium” shells and weapons bogus also?

              My comment with video…
              https://www.corbettreport.com/the-truth-about-irans-nuclear-program/#comment-62657

            • alexandre says:

              Olaf, riding on this thread, just a question. I saw a documentary once that had two old guys that used to work in the Manhattan project and, if I’m not mistaken, they said that there was no radioactivity in plutonium etc and they used to work manually with it every day, no problems, and one day “…they started with this radiation thing…” and these guys didn’t understand why. This is so opposite of everything I ever heard about radiation that I think I erased from memory. But this commentary brought it back. Do you know about this? They were suggesting that the radiation thing is itself a scheme…? A fraud?

              • Olaf says:

                This?

                https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/human-radiation-experiments

                ” However, medical experts agreed that this information was not sufficient to determine radiation guidelines for workers. As a report from Los Alamos Laboratory scientists published in 1962 stated, “It seemed imperative, therefore, to determine retention and excretion of plutonium in a limited number of terminal patients.” ”

                Most of the article is bs propaganda.
                If it was top-secret they wouldn’t release these things to the public.

            • HomeRemedySupply says:

              Olaf,
              From where I sit, I know that nuclear weapons and radioactive particles do exist.
              And that they can hurt people.

              Also, I understand that “fear” is often a tool used by governments to control people.

              I ain’t gonna argue with how you see things.
              If you see things the way you describe, well…then, okay.
              I’m gonna pass on some of your opinions.

              • alexandre says:

                HRS, maybe my English, but I didn’t take what Olaf said as “he doesn’t believe in radiation”. Should I? I haven’t seen that article, I was talking about another thing, with some old guys saying it wasn’t a problem, like radiation didn’t exist, and I found that odd. Wasn’t about human experiments, but how the guys used to work with it without any problems etc. (Can’t remember where I heard that, I’ll try to find out).

              • Olaf says:

                And you know this for sure how?

              • Olaf says:

                HRS,

                Easy fakery with video compositing:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArxI_KY5YZw

  12. Olaf says:

    alexandre,

    Check this out.
    I think i found one of the guys that you were referring to earlier.
    His name is Galen Winsor and he was one of the men that worked on the Manhattan project.

    https://atomicinsights.com/galen-winsor-asks-who-owns-the-plutonium-how-much-is-it-worth/

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      Olaf, this a very compelling testimonial by Galen Windsor. I would say he has divulged the magicians secrets of the illusion that came into being after 1942. Who designed it, the illusion? Roosevelt, Rockefeller, Rothschid, the British, Truman, Nazis’ of “paper clip”?. This , what he speaks of, is so pervasive today. It reaches into every American home through every government agency . Probably Canadian homes too. NASA, HUD, EPA has similar demeanors too. This explains a lot but offers up more questions than solutions. You must have a collection of such gems. Please share more. This is Corbett material. Let us pick it apart.

      • Olaf says:

        I have found the full length interview by Galen Windsor if you’re interested, GBW. :

        https://youtu.be/6DelDep4I5k?t=579

        Unfortunately i don’t have a collection of such gems because i’ve only recently started questioning the officially stated properties and capabilities of nuclear weapons and nuclear radiation effects.

        I have to pace myself as i am still not sure on what is valid and what is not and that is why i have a long way ahead of me before i can draw any conclusions, but i’m examining all possibilities and trying to find more reliable sources of information (if that’s even possible with a subject such as this) on the subject.

        • manbearpig says:

          Olaf,

          If you’re exploring “the officially stated properties and capabilities of nuclear weapons and nuclear radiation effects”

          I thought you might find the following article that’s just come out mildly interesting:

          “The Media’s Russian Radiation Story Implodes Upon Scrutiny

          What really happened at Nenoska was less explosive than everyone, including Trump, wanted you to believe.

          By Scott Ritter
          August 27, 2019

          http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52175.htm

          • Olaf says:

            Thank you for the link, my friend.
            I found it very interesting, actually.

            How two of the victims that were pulled from the water, the only ones allegedly killed by radiation sickness, both died en route to a treatment facility that specializes in radiation exposure the next day and how the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) seized all the medical records associated with the treatment of accident victims and had the doctors and medical personnel sign non-disclosure agreements after the fact…

            That’s prime material right there.

            Also, i may be paranoid on top of being biased, but at 3:41 of the video below the article, check out how she pauses and gets all emotional prior to answering the question.

            Did the two men really die from radiation sickness?

            Was it mere happenstance that their deaths had occurred roughly at around the same time?

            Was the dose of radiation that they had received guaranteed to kill them both at about roughly the same time?

            Were they murdered en route and away from prying eyes to preserve possible state secrets?

            I need to go through more cases involving radiation sickness induced deaths, that have come about as a result of nuclear accidents and check if they share similar oddities with this one. That would certainly get me closer to either ruling out or ruling in foul play.

            • Olaf says:

              MBP,

              So, I did a bit of research on the story and here’s what i found:

              According to the hospital’s doctor (the hospital where the victims were admitted, following the accident), “two of the victims who entered the medical facility did not die from injuries, but from radiation.”:

              [“Three men about 30 years old or younger were brought to the hospital by the ambulance air service.
              One victim had a fracture of the spine, the other had a pelvic fracture. The injuries, the specialist assures, were “severe, but not life threatening.”
              The interlocutor also told the German publication that on the head of one of the patients “beta radiation of 25 thousand microroentgen per hour was recorded”.
              It was assumed that after the operations, patients will be sent to Moscow. However, two of the three victims died on the way to the airport.
              According to the interlocutor, the cause of death was the impact of radiation, but no injuries.
              The Network also received a medical report on one of the deceased. The document says that the deceased had 25 thousand leukocytes per micrometer with an upper border of 10 thousand.
              German Der Spiegel noted that “this is a huge number, both died of acute radiation sickness.”
              Recall that as a result of the explosion at a military training ground in the Arkhangelsk region, five people were killed.
              All the dead were employees of Rosatom. Also, three employees received injuries and burns of varying severity.
              Representatives of “Rosatom” at that time reported that the disaster occurred during work that was connected “with the technical support of isotopic power sources.”]

              Source:

              https://ecoandhealthy.com/two-victims-of-an-explosion-near-severodvinsk-died-from-acute-radiation-sickness/

      • Olaf says:

        So, upon revisiting the science behind nuclear reactors and nuclear bombs to check whether the main concepts at least were sound or not, I was happy to find:

        No logical inconsistencies for nuclear reactor plants, as well as for both the Uranium enrichment and the spent fuel reprocessing paths (for separating the plutonium from the Uranium and high-level waste, after the U-238 neutron absorption process takes place in the reactor).

        But

        Major logical inconsistencies for the nuclear bombs.
        Namely:

        For the boosted implosion types:

        Where the external explosives in the primary go off to crash the nuclear material down to a higher density and at the same time provide resistance to the outward force of the expanding gas core inside the levitated pit where the reciprocating Pu-239 fission – H3 fusion cascade reaction takes place (within the Be neutron reflector/moderator lenses) which release (slowed down yet still fast) neutrons that set off the secondary’s U-238 outer layer fission reactions and the lithium deuteride fusion fuel is released into the neutron saturated (via an external neutron generator shower) warhead for the U-235 fission reaction within its core to be initiated…

        If we are to buy the official story of the mythical output yield of nuclear bombs, then it stands to reason that when you have something that’s half the size of a soccer ball and it pushes outward with a force equivalent to that produced by 10 or 20 thousand tons of TNT, then how are the external explosives supposed to buy enough time for the primary to stay confined within the warhead long enough for the materials within it to be consumed, much less for those in the secondary to be consumed before the warhead explodes and the fuel becomes massively diluted and there’s no moderator left in sufficient concentration to slow down the neutrons enough so that the large fission cross-section can compensate for the highly-disseminated low-proportion of fuel in the air and the chain reaction can keep on going long enough so that it can give off a result that’s comparable to that presented to us as real footage of atomic tests?

        For the Gun-type bombs:

        Where 2 portions of U-235 each at 2/3rds critical mass are smashed into each other to initiate the reaction, you’d have the same issue as in the implosion type bomb. The materials will instantly escape the warhead and the chain reaction would not be sustained long enough to get an output that’s similar to the ones you see in the atomic test videos.

        http://www.radioactivity.eu.com/site/pages/Slow_Fast_Neutrons.htm

        In my mind there’s no doubt that, if they did actually get these things to work, their capabilities were massively exaggerated. That, coupled with their extreme production costs were probably the reasons why they were abandoned in favor of the much cheaper and easier to manufacture conventional types of bombs.

        Who is behind this? :

        Well, according to Galen Winsor in response to a question about the Chernobyl disaster:

        Martin – “It sounds like sabotage.”

        [SNIP – Please keep comments to 500 words or less. -JC]

        • Olaf says:

          Winsor – “Well, of course it is. It’s the sabotage in the nuclear effort. And Exxon, and Royal Dutch Shell, and Atlantic Richfield all got their sticky dirty hands in it.

          Why would they do this? :

          Secondary reason:

          1.) To bail out their Japanese emperor friends.
          Ward Wilson: The Myth of Hiroshima: -“Because reputations can turn out to be false.”

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9H6o83NUf4

          Primary reasons:

          1.) To create an artificial monopoly without the need of keeping the nuclear resources themselves under lock & key, through the misrepresentation of the dangers associated with handling the material so that the peasants won’t utilize them for cheap and efficient energy production.

          2.) To make more money off of people by utilizing oil and coal for electricity instead.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1BCfOR3ukU

          3.) To keep the cattle in fear and in check.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c17_sY52XE

  13. Olaf says:

    More fake blasts:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APw8Slm7SRI

    At 6:54 you might be tempted to say:
    “Well, it can’t be fake because the panoramic shot is too large for it to have been shot in a set.”

    But if you look closely there is a continuous separation line between foreground and background crossing the entire image from left to right.
    This is actually the line separating the real terrain in the studio from the projection screen in the background.

    Only the terrain in the foreground is real. The rest of the landscape is projected as a backdrop with the use of special effects.

    In the past, the background images were projected onto a highly reflective screen with a technique called “front-projection”.

    Today, the background images are superimposed to a green screen with a digital technique.

    They also use miniature models of houses and stuff to fake the devastation.

    Peace, freedom and bacon & eggs! 🙂

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjz_lqF8Czk

  14. Olaf says:

    Radiation Hormesis and how ionizing radiation is essential for life.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2477686/

    • alexandre says:

      Olaf, thanks for the links, I’ll check’em out soon, but about the CGI nukular explosions, I’ll have to strongly disagree. I know CGI and compositing and I can say with a fair amount of certainty that those are not CGI. I think saying that nuclear blasts don’t exist is a bit too far (even for me!). Some things … well, you never know, Hollywood etc, but certain things you can know. People think that anything is possible with CGI, but it’s not the case at all, much less in 1940. I’m trying to be open about it, but with this it’s just impossible. Find me a fake nukular explosion that looks exactly like that, with the artist’s breakdown tutorial and then I’ll be convinced.

      • Olaf says:

        Already did that at 11:47 pm but the comment is still awaiting moderation.
        I can explain how they do everything that you see in these videos step by step. You don’t need to be an artist to know how video compositing and front-projection works. Trust me, it’s not rocket science and they could do it back then easily too.

        • alexandre says:

          I see your comment here already. I’ll have a look. And I’ll discuss it with a director friend very conspiracy oriented (so he won’t be in the defensive). Front projection, scotchlite screen, right? What Jay Weidner says about the moon. yes? Let’s investigate this.

          • alexandre says:

            I’ll take the bacon and eggs!
            As for the videos, it’s still just a guy saying it’s fake. It doesn’t look fake at all, and I do the CGI thing, have worked in films all my life and know a lot of good professionals in the area – one of which I’m waiting for a reply (I sent him the links).

            If you watch this video – https://vimeo.com/15630517
            It’s ALL CGI (the only non CGI is the NewYork city back drop at the end) and it’s almost unbelievable (even to me) that it’s CG. But that doesn’t mean that anything is possible to reproduce with such realism. I think it’s a fallacy (?) to assume that if a grape horn smashing into a table can be done so well with CG, therefore a nuclear blast can also. What would raise my eyebrows would be a tutorial showing me step by step how to achieve those final images, like this one – https://www.videocopilot.net/tutorials/blast_wave/

            I know it’s impossible to find something like that from the military of the 40s, but there you go. Without that, it’s just talking and speculation. And I agree about the propaganda thing, by all means, it’s just the images that don’t show any perceptible manipulation.

            • Olaf says:

              I mean, when you say stuff like “it doesn’t look fake at all”, when the clouds aren’t even moving, and stuff like “to reproduce with such realism” when what we’re questioning is whether nuclear bombs are fake or not, as well as your continuous appeal to authority when you also say that you have a lot of experience with video editing makes it quite obvious that you’re just fucking with me. 😀

              Tell me which part you think is realistic and thus you have difficulty understanding how it could be done?

              • alexandre says:

                Not at all, as I don’t fuck with people. Why waste time doing that? I just like to get to the bottom of things, that’s all. The “everything is fakeable” road can be misleading.

                It’s not appeal to authority, it’s just other opinions based on experience. “Hey Jack, what do you think of that?”, that’s all.

                I’m only going on with the subject because maybe there was some technique that existed back then that could produce such images, something that would be impossible today, who knows, like the Apollo missions, which apparently are impossible today. I’m just digging. And there are lots of “this is fake” that is misleading and turns the attention to other directions etc.

                The clouds aren’t moving? Do you see clouds moving in about 15 seconds? Listen, I’m not fucking with you, I’m just saying that those arguments sound forced, something a layman would think based on “anything is possible” thing, and you start seeing things.

                I saw once a CG by that guy I sent you and in one shot I said “the airplane contrail didn’t work, looks fake” and then I found out that the contrail was real footage composited over the CG. And it looked fake. Lots of things like that, so we must be careful with such absolute statements. The propaganda part, all ok, it is propaganda and everything else, nothing wrong with that. But the footage…still unconvinced. In fact it’s the first time I saw these blasts being stated as fake, I didn’t know about that. But don’t worry, I ain’t fighting or fucking, just investigating.

            • Olaf says:

              “the images don’t show any perceptible manipulation”

              Man, you’re killing me here. xD

  15. Olaf says:

    Lol It’s not impossible today. It’s very easy. Just like it was back then.

    Ok then, I recommend that you watch a documentary called “American Moon”.
    Just to get you into the spirit of things and see how these things were done back then.
    Come back when you’ve watched it and you’re ready to discuss how these ones were made.

    • alexandre says:

      Lol? Are we twelve?
      I don’t need to get into the spirit of things and I’ve watched everything on the moon, including that one. Yes, studio shots, lighting etc, I know all about that. So?

      Look, this is getting silly. If you can’t distinguish between what’s possible and what’s not in images, I can’t help you. And we’re not gonna prove or disprove anything here because this is like saying Neptune doesn’t exist. What’s the point? No one can prove or disprove it, so it’s an endless discussion. What would be the point here?

      • Olaf says:

        I ask you to tell me which part you think is realistic and thus you have difficulty understanding how it could be done and you’re not telling me. Is it the layering part that you don’t understand?
        Do you think explosions don’t move clouds when they’re close? Even a ten year old knows enough to tell that that’s a physical impossibility.
        You’re right. What is the point in discussing with people who can’t think or reason for themselves and will stick to what daddy government tells them is true until daddy government admits that it actually wasn’t?

        This is childish. No point.

        • HomeRemedySupply says:

          Olaf,
          You are right at the edge of throwing out insults to people.
          Let’s not go there.

          • Olaf says:

            I won’t. No worries.
            It’s just that he engages my comment, says that the footage is realistic, says that i can’t distinguish between what’s possible and what’s not in images, i ask him to elaborate by pointing out which parts he’s talking about, he refuses to discuss any and then goes: “No one can prove or disprove it, so it’s an endless discussion.”
            I ask you sincerely, wouldn’t that piss you off?

        • alexandre says:

          Clouds moving when the explosion rise. Ok, I see. Well, there is footage where the clouds do move. When clouds move it’s fake. When they don’t move it’s also fake.

          “Man, you’re killing me here. xD”
          Are these the words of an adult?

          Sticking to daddy government to tell … me? Kid, you really don’t know me at all. The amount of assumptions in your text already shows, not only your age, but how much you already have your mind made up. Because I’m questioning the atomic bombs footage, you assume I’m a mainstream idiot. What would I be doing here then at TCR?

          Yes, tell me about the layering part, as I have been messing with layers for 15 years. How do you do that on the telecine with … 70mm was it? Or was it 35 Kodachrome? Show me that technique.

          Tell you what. If those are CG front screen scotchlite projection layering, than Corbett is also CGI. Why not? Looks fake to me, and he’s conveniently based in Japan so we can’t check if he’s real. And the room behind him? Green screen, obviously. You can clearly see the artifacts and bleeds in his head and hands, can’t you?? Obviously a deep state propaganda operation. What about yourself? CG as well? AI perhaps. Am I talking to some kind of CIA AI?

          • alexandre says:

            [SNIP – Please do not post links without title or explanation as to why people should click on them. -JC]

          • Olaf says:

            Where do you see the clouds moving? Show me the part.

            Wouldn’t a multiplane camera do the trick?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdHTlUGN1zw

            Or did they not have the technology yet?

            At 6:54 of the first video where they’re marching towards the explosion like “WE LOVE RADIAATION!”, the dividing line which crosses the whole screen is so obvious it’s sad to contemplate how someone well versed in this stuff can’t even tell that it’s front-projection.

            Corbett’s background may not be real at times, you’re right.

            He could be CIA but AI? We don’t have that advanced AI yet, friend.

            • alexandre says:

              Hello again.
              I think Corbett used some software once that fakes a depth of field, didn’t he? That was horrible.

              Clouds moving.
              https://youtu.be/Jgi7WgB05Jo?t=66
              https://youtu.be/Jgi7WgB05Jo?t=252
              Maybe they can be debunked as well.

              Well, I’m looking at it (the part with the soldiers walking) and doing my very best to see it. Honestly. If that’s front-projection, what’s the size of the screen? You have people going on far away from the camera. It would have to be a mile square or something. The front projection isn’t like compositing afterwards, right? It’s done there, live. You have the live action and the projected footage on the screen behind, right? And with the camera panning around and tilting up, you’d have to cover the whole horizon, and quite high as well. The mechanism to hold the screen alone would be quite surreal. I don’t understand how that would work. There are also details about exposure and color that would be quite hard to do.

              I wouldn’t be surprised, though, since the US is so talented in faking stuff – if you can make it, fake it etc. But I’m just looking at the footage and trying hard to figure it out.

              Multi-plane camera? Didn’t know that one. That’s cool, like a real life mechanic After Effects. But that wouldn’t work with the front-projection, they are two different systems, right? You’d have to mask the soldiers against the background. Maybe insert the blast on the layer (plane) behind the soldiers footage? How would you match the camera movements then? They would have to have a hell-of-a tracking system as well. Mechanically? I really don’t see how that can be. Not in other cases – cartoons, moon footage etc – just in these blasts films, and so many of them. Can’t see it. Maybe some day I will and then I’ll see the light, but as of now, can’t see it. Sorry.

              That would be a good experiment to do, though. Try to reproduce those images.

              • alexandre says:

                Trying to reproduce those images mechanically, I mean. No CGI. That would be something.

              • Olaf says:

                “Maybe insert the blast on the layer (plane) behind the soldier’s footage?”

                How I think it was done is:

                The footage of the blast is prepared beforehand, as well as the footage of the soldiers but they are prepared separately.

                The soldiers that you see walking on, that are far away from the camera, were themselves shot separately from the other soldiers walking, and at a different time, in the same studio. They were layered in together/superimposed both from left to right and from top to bottom. If you notice, they’re not even looking at the explosion.

                The layered footage of the soldiers is then superimposed onto the close-up footage of a slow-mo blast that is also actually smaller than it appears in the combined product and it is recorded.

                The combined product is then projected onto a big screen and filmed from up close to make the final product.

                It’s not live, it’s obviously pre-recorded. They all are imo. They take out the parts that they don’t want shown and they only leave in and join the footage parts that they do want to show, in the sequence and fashion that they want to put them in.
                It doesn’t need to be nowhere close to a mile squared.

              • Olaf says:

                https://youtu.be/Jgi7WgB05Jo?t=66

                Orange translucent layer is used for the explosion almost throughout the footage.

                At 1:01 those bright spots that you see in the blast are parts of the external dome that can retain more heat and hence glow more brightly than the rest of it. The big dome is how the explosion takes that shape btw.

                At 1:02 is the slow-mo surface explosion of the dome-stacked TNT bomb + lens flare haze slowly fading down.

                At 1:08 the expanding compression phase of the wave causes dissipation of the clouds above the explosion. This is to be expected for a big explosion even if the clouds are above it. The Wilson cloud propagation and dissipation pattern around the circumference is what you expect to see as well.

                At 1:10 that’s a composite of the sun rising fast forwarded + lens flare.

                Then at 1:13 it’s a 3-layer composite of either a.) a part of a different explosion all together, or of b.) footage of the second phase of the same explosion (layer no.1)

                superimposed on top of and above the sun with a layer of clouds in front of it (layer no.2)
                and
                another layer of clouds beneath it/at the bottom (layer no.3).

                At 1:24 that structure that’s hit by the shockwave is close to the blast.

                My guess, a bit further away than this plant was to the fireball of this blast at 1:14:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEf-YJqkiqY

                At 1:27 that’s the third phase of the explosion, shot from up close so that it looks bigger.
                Imo that’s not how explosions behave? The film was edited to make it look like something bigger and special. With the composite it makes it looks like it rises above the clouds which I think is total bs. The footage was also greatly slowed down for sure.

              • Olaf says:

                Smaller version of the same concept for reference
                Operation “Sailor Hat” at 3:27 of this video:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdHRX7iIAQs

              • alexandre says:

                Listen, with all respect, I think we’re in a gridlock here. About the technique you described, you’d have to have a camera with some motion control via software to do multiple takes exactly with the same motion, because the camera movement would be impossible to control, subjects would flicker and slide and thing s like that, but we would never get out of this. The film director replied and I’m not gonna tell you what he said because you’re not going to like it. I’m not going to follow you on this rabbit hole, as they say, so I propose to just end here and move on. Curiously, and coincidentally, Corbett’s latest video talks a bit about that, so maybe we can move on to that section.

                cheers

  16. Olaf says:

    Why via software? It can be done with a tripod that turns and locks into the same pre-set/pre-determined positions following the same movement that you want. It can be done mechanically.
    Anyways, with all due respect, if this director thinks the above mentioned techniques can’t be pulled off then he’s insulting himself, not me.
    I don’t see it as a gridlock but as you wish.

    That was no coincidence.

  17. HomeRemedySupply says:

    August 30, 2019 – NEWS Bloomberg
    Modi Creates Bank Behemoths to Spur India’s Slowing Economy
    (without paywall…)
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/modi-creates-banking-behemoths-boost-111858110.html

    EXCERPTS
    India announced its most sweeping bank overhaul in decades, minutes before data showed economic growth in Asia’s No. 3 economy slumped to a six-year low.

    Four new lenders that result from a series of state-bank mergers will hold business worth 55.8 trillion rupees ($781 billion), or about 56% of the Indian banking industry…

    …Prime Minister Narendra Modi is counting on larger and healthier banks to spur fresh credit and revive economic growth that came in far lower than economists expected.
    A slump in domestic demand and the world’s worst bad-loan ratio had been restricting scope for a revival in investment…

    … no one lost their job when the government helped facilitate a merger of Dena Bank and Vijaya Bank with Bank of Baroda last year, creating the third-largest bank by loans in the country.

    India will now have 12 state-run banks instead of 27…

    …‘Bigger Issue’

    “Just increasing the size of balance sheets and combining operations of banks will only reduce the number of state-owned lenders but asset quality stress is unlikely to be taken care of,” said Avinash Gorakshakar, head of research at Joindre Capital Services Ltd. in Mumbai. “The bigger issue still remains as how risk profiling would improve banks’ bad-loan ratio ahead.”

    After returning to power with a stronger mandate, Modi has been grappling with an economy still hurting from the fallout of his cash ban in 2016
    and the botched rollout of a nationwide sales tax.

    A bad-loan clean up in the banking sector has contained credit to companies and a crisis among shadow lenders is denying consumers loans to buy goods like cars and refrigerators.
    Meanwhile unemployment is at a 45-year high as companies refrain from new investments….

  18. manbearpig says:

    According to Wiki:

    “…On October 21, several thousand Pashtun tribesmen from North-West Frontier Province poured into Jammu and Kashmir to liberate it from the Maharaja’s rule…

    …On October 24, the Maharaja requested military assistance from India, which responded that it was unable to help him unless he acceded to India.

    Accordingly, on October 26, 1947, Maharaja Hari Singh signed an Instrument of Accession, handing over control of defence, external affairs and communications to the Government of India in return for military aid.[20] Indian troops were immediately airlifted into Srinagar…”

    A probable victim of mainstream media (not just wiki), my current layman’s take on the situation (ignoring the profoundly critical question of religion in all this):

    Historically, Pakistan invading Kashmir put what is now Indian administered Kashmir under the protection and constitution of India with a special status of semi-sovereignty.

    Not content with administering Pakistani-Kashmir, Pakistan has always tried to annex Indian Kashmir. With the predictable if not predicted abolition of the Indian Kashmiri special status of article 370, Pakistan, belligerantly if not understandably, continues to try to annex this region which at the moment is marketed as “liberating the Kashmiri” (gosh, where’ve I heard that before??):

    “Friday, August 30
    Imran Khan: The World Can’t Ignore Kashmir. We Are All in Danger

    Prime Minister Imran Khan, in his opinion piece for The New York Times, said talks between India and Pakistan can only begin if New Delhi reverses its “illegal annexation of Kashmir, ends the curfew and lockdown, and withdraws its troops to the barracks”.

    Khan’s piece was published as Pakistan came to a standstill on Friday as tens of thousands poured onto streets in a government-led demonstration of solidarity with the disputed region of Kashmir, after India revoked its autonomy this month.

    “I wanted to normalize relations with India through trade and by settling the Kashmir dispute, the foremost impediment to the normalization of relations between us,” …

    …Thursday, August 29
    ‘Pakistan-trained commandos’ trigger alert at India ports

    India’s two main ports said they had been warned by the coastguard and intelligence officials that Pakistan-trained commandos have entered Indian waters to carry out underwater attacks on port facilities…

    The rights of the people of Jammu & Kashmir must not be violated.pic.twitter.com/h045Tz9p6x
    — Amnesty India (@AIIndia) August 29, 2019

    “I disagree with this Govt. on many issues. But, let me make this absolutely clear: Kashmir is India’s internal issue & there is no room for Pakistan or any other foreign country to interfere in it,” Gandhi tweeted.

    There is violence in Jammu & Kashmir. There is violence because it is instigated and supported by Pakistan which is known to be the prime supporter of terrorism across the world.
    — Rahul Gandhi (@RahulGandhi) August 28, 2019

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/india-revokes-kashmir-special-status-latest-updates-190806134011673.html

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