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	<title>Comments on: Interview 1003 &#8211; Kallen Diggs on Avoiding the College Trap</title>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My working class parents were also deemed too rich under the government means test for me to get a full grant. I think your point about studying fields currently impossible to learn at home will lead to potential students studying other fields. On the plus side we could all study banking and bring the system down from the inside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My working class parents were also deemed too rich under the government means test for me to get a full grant. I think your point about studying fields currently impossible to learn at home will lead to potential students studying other fields. On the plus side we could all study banking and bring the system down from the inside.</p>
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		<title>By: NotDole</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That blows, although you guys have a safety debt removal of 15k max in case you failed or decided to do something else with your life. At least my friend in Scotland had this happen. Not happening here in Canada, where education is different in every province. I live in the second province where Education is the cheapest (and we had to have a major revolt that lasted months (year and a half, seriously, typing Montreal student strike will get you some interesting videos in youtube, especially Agent ...hmm got a blank on her badge number, and if you could understand canadian french, you&#039;d see that this butch, seriously she is, and also they embrace the term so gonna be using it too, speak like a butch about all the students are communists etc.

What&#039;s hilarious is that, cops, in my province, have to go to college for 3 years (with Calculus 1) before even getting the chance of stepping into police academy, and yes if they fail Philosophy I over and over and over (and there&#039;s 3 mandatory philosophy classes), they can&#039;t be cops, I know a couple knuckleheads who were filtered away by the system this way with the mandatory french and french canadian litterature classes and the philosophy classes, oh also the english mandatory classes.

Anyway, here it&#039;s always been about 75% grants-25% loans if you live on your own. The first years of my life I never had to live on my own, I lived with my mom where we could see the college towers from home, walking/bus distance from the local college so I just got 1000 dollar loans to get my books and didn&#039;t have that much left after those expenses. Please take note that if my parents were living together, they fortunately (yes, long story...) divorced in my last year of high school, so, because I was living with my mom, I could get those small loans and later loans &amp; grants when I went to a different college and lived on campus. My dad is too rich apparently for me to get any grants, so it would have been all loans. He&#039;s also too rich now, since a while, if I needed welfare, i&#039;d have to fabricate a story about my dad not wanting to talk to me ever, because they changed the rules and my dad&#039;s just too damn rich ya know. (Makes about 56k, which isn&#039;t anything mind blowing, and hell I think he made much less in my earlier college years, 40k maybe).

We all get f&#039;d in different ways, hooray? Especially for those who of us who decide to study fields difficult to impossible to really learn at home...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That blows, although you guys have a safety debt removal of 15k max in case you failed or decided to do something else with your life. At least my friend in Scotland had this happen. Not happening here in Canada, where education is different in every province. I live in the second province where Education is the cheapest (and we had to have a major revolt that lasted months (year and a half, seriously, typing Montreal student strike will get you some interesting videos in youtube, especially Agent &#8230;hmm got a blank on her badge number, and if you could understand canadian french, you&#8217;d see that this butch, seriously she is, and also they embrace the term so gonna be using it too, speak like a butch about all the students are communists etc.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s hilarious is that, cops, in my province, have to go to college for 3 years (with Calculus 1) before even getting the chance of stepping into police academy, and yes if they fail Philosophy I over and over and over (and there&#8217;s 3 mandatory philosophy classes), they can&#8217;t be cops, I know a couple knuckleheads who were filtered away by the system this way with the mandatory french and french canadian litterature classes and the philosophy classes, oh also the english mandatory classes.</p>
<p>Anyway, here it&#8217;s always been about 75% grants-25% loans if you live on your own. The first years of my life I never had to live on my own, I lived with my mom where we could see the college towers from home, walking/bus distance from the local college so I just got 1000 dollar loans to get my books and didn&#8217;t have that much left after those expenses. Please take note that if my parents were living together, they fortunately (yes, long story&#8230;) divorced in my last year of high school, so, because I was living with my mom, I could get those small loans and later loans &amp; grants when I went to a different college and lived on campus. My dad is too rich apparently for me to get any grants, so it would have been all loans. He&#8217;s also too rich now, since a while, if I needed welfare, i&#8217;d have to fabricate a story about my dad not wanting to talk to me ever, because they changed the rules and my dad&#8217;s just too damn rich ya know. (Makes about 56k, which isn&#8217;t anything mind blowing, and hell I think he made much less in my earlier college years, 40k maybe).</p>
<p>We all get f&#8217;d in different ways, hooray? Especially for those who of us who decide to study fields difficult to impossible to really learn at home&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NotDole</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It sure is, by the way I think you&#039;re having great ideas in general! I just wish chemistry equipment was cheap like say a cooking oven...not about to happen for most of it. Also it wouldn&#039;t be safe, at least I wouldn&#039;t trust one person to have their personal lab in a populated neighborhood. But there is one thing, the internet has helped me pass exams more than the many teacher&#039;s notes, and it was during the golden age of the internet when it comes to just text data being available (for what its worth, geocities sites being removed out of nowhere, and I don&#039;t think the Web Ecology Project has caught that up, would have been way too massive). Also, I&#039;ve learned about many other different things than just what the teachers wanted me to know about. That simple amine, methylamine they use in a popular tv show you might know about (it&#039;s over now), I had never ever heard about from my BSc and it&#039;s quite used in many factories, meaning that many jobs I can apply for, I would have no idea what they&#039;re doing or what compounds they&#039;re using because my program was so specialized into creating aluminum chemists, the region is big into aluminum factories, the supposedly fully public university is majorly financed by then Alcan, now Rio Tinto-Alcan (them damn aussies, just kidding, more like damn globalization) so they want aluminum process bettering chemists and the rest is just side knowledge, and it showed when you reach the third and fourth year of that BSc. 

I had way much more fun reading things like the Rhodium Archive and books like Pikhal and Tikhal, organic chemistry is what interests me the most, because, it&#039;s all of life, I could speak about carbon itself for hours but I find most people aren&#039;t interested hehe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sure is, by the way I think you&#8217;re having great ideas in general! I just wish chemistry equipment was cheap like say a cooking oven&#8230;not about to happen for most of it. Also it wouldn&#8217;t be safe, at least I wouldn&#8217;t trust one person to have their personal lab in a populated neighborhood. But there is one thing, the internet has helped me pass exams more than the many teacher&#8217;s notes, and it was during the golden age of the internet when it comes to just text data being available (for what its worth, geocities sites being removed out of nowhere, and I don&#8217;t think the Web Ecology Project has caught that up, would have been way too massive). Also, I&#8217;ve learned about many other different things than just what the teachers wanted me to know about. That simple amine, methylamine they use in a popular tv show you might know about (it&#8217;s over now), I had never ever heard about from my BSc and it&#8217;s quite used in many factories, meaning that many jobs I can apply for, I would have no idea what they&#8217;re doing or what compounds they&#8217;re using because my program was so specialized into creating aluminum chemists, the region is big into aluminum factories, the supposedly fully public university is majorly financed by then Alcan, now Rio Tinto-Alcan (them damn aussies, just kidding, more like damn globalization) so they want aluminum process bettering chemists and the rest is just side knowledge, and it showed when you reach the third and fourth year of that BSc. </p>
<p>I had way much more fun reading things like the Rhodium Archive and books like Pikhal and Tikhal, organic chemistry is what interests me the most, because, it&#8217;s all of life, I could speak about carbon itself for hours but I find most people aren&#8217;t interested hehe.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went to University in the UK from 1987 - 1991 (including one year in industry). Back then there were no course fees at all. I received a grant from my local council three times a year and my parents got a tax rebate on an allowance they gave me. Rent in the Halls of Residence was £20 a week with no utility bills. Back then in the UK only about 5% of people went to University and there was an unwritten covenant that if you got a science degree you would get a well paid job at the end.
During my final year, the student grant started to be phased out and were replaced by loans over a period of about four years. Student&#039;s parents could no longer claim tax back for helping out financially and course fees started to be brought in.
Then when Tony Blair was elected University was transformed into something everyone needed to attend - not just the &#039;academic&#039; kids. Thus the UK adopted the US model and a degree was seen as an essential - together with a shed load of debt. Given that you might meet your wife or husband at University you could leave University with a couple&#039;s debt of over £100,000, no guarentee of a job and no ability to buy a house.
I certainly would not go to University today and many of my friends are advising their children that there are other avenues available - often the trades, but also part-time study and online study.
There are some really good MOOCs (massive open online course) available now. I am currently studying the computer language python through the University of Michigan&#039;s open courseware course Programming for Everybody available for free through coursera.org.
MOOCs are ideal for computer language and indeed human language learning.

I agree with NotDole that the practical aspects of science and engineering degrees would be difficult to learn. During my Biology degree there was a great deal of lab work involved. But even that may change if we are clever about it. The Open University which has operated for years in the UK (and is really quite expensive) holds meet up tutorials and summer camps for practical sessions. The maker and hacker community are expanding into science subjects and electronics with do-it-yourself learning and kitchen and garage laboratories.

Also when can a simulation replace a real hands-on experiment and when is a real-lab based experiment required. When I was at University we had some expensive bits of kit - electron microscope for example - but we weren&#039;t allowed to touch it anyway. So let&#039;s continue to think of more and more ways to self-empower and self study. And we can be selective too. I have never ever had the need to utilise my skills in plant tissue culture microprogation or describe all of the biochemical steps involved in the Citric acid cycle since 1989.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to University in the UK from 1987 &#8211; 1991 (including one year in industry). Back then there were no course fees at all. I received a grant from my local council three times a year and my parents got a tax rebate on an allowance they gave me. Rent in the Halls of Residence was £20 a week with no utility bills. Back then in the UK only about 5% of people went to University and there was an unwritten covenant that if you got a science degree you would get a well paid job at the end.<br />
During my final year, the student grant started to be phased out and were replaced by loans over a period of about four years. Student&#8217;s parents could no longer claim tax back for helping out financially and course fees started to be brought in.<br />
Then when Tony Blair was elected University was transformed into something everyone needed to attend &#8211; not just the &#8216;academic&#8217; kids. Thus the UK adopted the US model and a degree was seen as an essential &#8211; together with a shed load of debt. Given that you might meet your wife or husband at University you could leave University with a couple&#8217;s debt of over £100,000, no guarentee of a job and no ability to buy a house.<br />
I certainly would not go to University today and many of my friends are advising their children that there are other avenues available &#8211; often the trades, but also part-time study and online study.<br />
There are some really good MOOCs (massive open online course) available now. I am currently studying the computer language python through the University of Michigan&#8217;s open courseware course Programming for Everybody available for free through coursera.org.<br />
MOOCs are ideal for computer language and indeed human language learning.</p>
<p>I agree with NotDole that the practical aspects of science and engineering degrees would be difficult to learn. During my Biology degree there was a great deal of lab work involved. But even that may change if we are clever about it. The Open University which has operated for years in the UK (and is really quite expensive) holds meet up tutorials and summer camps for practical sessions. The maker and hacker community are expanding into science subjects and electronics with do-it-yourself learning and kitchen and garage laboratories.</p>
<p>Also when can a simulation replace a real hands-on experiment and when is a real-lab based experiment required. When I was at University we had some expensive bits of kit &#8211; electron microscope for example &#8211; but we weren&#8217;t allowed to touch it anyway. So let&#8217;s continue to think of more and more ways to self-empower and self study. And we can be selective too. I have never ever had the need to utilise my skills in plant tissue culture microprogation or describe all of the biochemical steps involved in the Citric acid cycle since 1989.</p>
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		<title>By: rockshot</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No again James.  I am praising you for having the self discipline and interest in reading, especially that type of literature.  I am saying that many people would deem that a waste of time if not under the sanction of &quot;doing schoolwork&quot;, which I personally and most certainly do not think that it is.  My point is that most people would think it esoteric and I never called it crap.  Personally I love reading that stuff, I just wish that I had more time for it, so I must be crazy too.  I need to rewrite that or you can just delete it, because I am just not coming across tonight.  I AM AT FAULT FOR MISCOMMUNICATION!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No again James.  I am praising you for having the self discipline and interest in reading, especially that type of literature.  I am saying that many people would deem that a waste of time if not under the sanction of &#8220;doing schoolwork&#8221;, which I personally and most certainly do not think that it is.  My point is that most people would think it esoteric and I never called it crap.  Personally I love reading that stuff, I just wish that I had more time for it, so I must be crazy too.  I need to rewrite that or you can just delete it, because I am just not coming across tonight.  I AM AT FAULT FOR MISCOMMUNICATION!</p>
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		<title>By: rockshot</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Further I believe that extremely good communication is key in life!  One must completely and thoroughly understand what is being said and not said, and be FAST at it without jumping to erroneous conclusion.  Most commutation is not verbal as well.
On the other side of the court is RESPONING concisely and appropriately!  It has been years since I have heard the now taboo words, &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot;.
I wonder WHY there is an epidemic lack of this in MOST 20 year olds?  They usually seem to have the answer BEFORE the question is asked or provide a reply completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
This seems to be a refusal and unwillingness to LISTEN, which is counterproductive and especially undermines any kind of teamwork.  Lack of interaction also seriously stifles any further learning.

Does anybody know where and how to learn to communicate?
My communication was horrible but is improved with my various languages, does anybody else know of a way to learn this VERY important skill?  This is not only a skill that must be learned be honed as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further I believe that extremely good communication is key in life!  One must completely and thoroughly understand what is being said and not said, and be FAST at it without jumping to erroneous conclusion.  Most commutation is not verbal as well.<br />
On the other side of the court is RESPONING concisely and appropriately!  It has been years since I have heard the now taboo words, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221;.<br />
I wonder WHY there is an epidemic lack of this in MOST 20 year olds?  They usually seem to have the answer BEFORE the question is asked or provide a reply completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.<br />
This seems to be a refusal and unwillingness to LISTEN, which is counterproductive and especially undermines any kind of teamwork.  Lack of interaction also seriously stifles any further learning.</p>
<p>Does anybody know where and how to learn to communicate?<br />
My communication was horrible but is improved with my various languages, does anybody else know of a way to learn this VERY important skill?  This is not only a skill that must be learned be honed as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Corbett</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 04:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. Do you deem me crazy for enjoying reading? Because as I said, I would and did (and do) read plenty of &quot;crap&quot; without attending any course at a university, and find it somewhat insulting that you think I would not have had the self-discipline to do so without a professor telling me to. Anyway, I&#039;m really not sure what you&#039;re saying anymore, because it seems that we agree that a master&#039;s degree in literature is not necessary for any but academics and teachers, which I think is the point that was made in the podcast. But thank you as always for your contributions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Do you deem me crazy for enjoying reading? Because as I said, I would and did (and do) read plenty of &#8220;crap&#8221; without attending any course at a university, and find it somewhat insulting that you think I would not have had the self-discipline to do so without a professor telling me to. Anyway, I&#8217;m really not sure what you&#8217;re saying anymore, because it seems that we agree that a master&#8217;s degree in literature is not necessary for any but academics and teachers, which I think is the point that was made in the podcast. But thank you as always for your contributions.</p>
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		<title>By: rockshot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rockshot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NO JAMES!  I am NOT saying that your level of diction is 100% result of your degree, but it did not hurt you either! (other than financially)  
Sure there are cheaper ways to improve diction or anything for that matter.  But I wonder just how many people would study and read tomes about something that they have absolutely NO interest in.  Not many!
I completely agree that we generally are too quick to equate learning with an institution of learning, but I do not.  There are too many &quot;educated idiots&quot; in plain site.  A good 50% of what I was forced to do in college, I had absolutely NO interest and would never have opted to do it.  Many times when I got over my initial bias against a certain subject, I often BECAME interested.
In my field, I would never have got the feedback and tremendously scathing critiques elsewhere.  I learned to take these critiques in stride and learn from them, then take my ideas to the next level.
I imagine that one could get the same push from a mentoring situation as well, but my job was not on the line, just my grades.
Most people do NOT have the motivation, self discipline or time to learn.  I agree that college is outrageously expensive and not worth it and believe that real world work experience should be much of the education, congruently.  I question the need for a masters degree in most fields, and yours would be one of them.  (unless you go on to teach)  It is really hard for me to believe that you would have sat in your parents basement reading for hours and hours day after day, month after month, if you did not have the excuse of &quot;doing schoolwork&quot;.  Most people would have deemed you CRAZY for reading that crap!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO JAMES!  I am NOT saying that your level of diction is 100% result of your degree, but it did not hurt you either! (other than financially)<br />
Sure there are cheaper ways to improve diction or anything for that matter.  But I wonder just how many people would study and read tomes about something that they have absolutely NO interest in.  Not many!<br />
I completely agree that we generally are too quick to equate learning with an institution of learning, but I do not.  There are too many &#8220;educated idiots&#8221; in plain site.  A good 50% of what I was forced to do in college, I had absolutely NO interest and would never have opted to do it.  Many times when I got over my initial bias against a certain subject, I often BECAME interested.<br />
In my field, I would never have got the feedback and tremendously scathing critiques elsewhere.  I learned to take these critiques in stride and learn from them, then take my ideas to the next level.<br />
I imagine that one could get the same push from a mentoring situation as well, but my job was not on the line, just my grades.<br />
Most people do NOT have the motivation, self discipline or time to learn.  I agree that college is outrageously expensive and not worth it and believe that real world work experience should be much of the education, congruently.  I question the need for a masters degree in most fields, and yours would be one of them.  (unless you go on to teach)  It is really hard for me to believe that you would have sat in your parents basement reading for hours and hours day after day, month after month, if you did not have the excuse of &#8220;doing schoolwork&#8221;.  Most people would have deemed you CRAZY for reading that crap!</p>
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		<title>By: Corbett</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The interesting part is that you assume that my current level of diction is the result of my master&#039;s degree. It really isn&#039;t. It&#039;s the result of a lot of reading, surely, but that reading could (and would) have been accomplished without a (very expensive) course at Trinity College, I can assure you. I&#039;m not blaming you for this, but I think we are all too quick to associate learning with college/university.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting part is that you assume that my current level of diction is the result of my master&#8217;s degree. It really isn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s the result of a lot of reading, surely, but that reading could (and would) have been accomplished without a (very expensive) course at Trinity College, I can assure you. I&#8217;m not blaming you for this, but I think we are all too quick to associate learning with college/university.</p>
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		<title>By: Beau Boeye</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, thank you Kallen, because I truly appreciate what it is that you are doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, thank you Kallen, because I truly appreciate what it is that you are doing.</p>
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