India and China Announce The "Oil Buyers Club"

06/16/201835 Comments

I've been looking at some of the globalist summits around the world lately, but here's one that slipped under the radar: the International Energy Forum. The IEF's 16th bienniel energy ministers meeting took place in New Delhi this past April and brought together 50 of the world's energy ministers, 30 energy company CEOs and 12 heads of international organizations. Although it didn't exactly make headlines at the time, an interesting story has emerged from the conference.

This past Wednesday, India's Petroleum Ministry tweeted out a link to a story from an Indian financial publication reporting on an idea floated by Indian Oil Minister Dharmendra Pradhan at the IEF conference. The idea? For India, China, South Korea and Japan—all oil hungry Asian nations, all currently at the mercy of the OPEC cartel—to form "an 'oil buyers club' that can negotiate better terms with sellers as well as getting more US crude oil to Asia to cut dominance of the oil block."

And this isn't just talk. Pradhan followed up by confirming he had raised the issue with OPEC ambassadors at a meeting this past Thursday. India, at least, is keen to get this done.

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  1. alan.k says:

    An “oil buyers’ club”?
    What a good idea.
    If that could be achieved – regulation of the supply of oil – that might be regarded as a precedent for another “club”.
    A “money users club”!
    Such a club would have but one aim: to regulate the supply of money so that the “unit of account” meets the standards required of all bona fide “units of account” – like the metre (length, distance), the are (area), the litre (volume), etc.
    Those standards are conceptually simple: accuracy and reliability (stability).
    Of course, the supply of oil has been closely linked to the supply of money since the 1970s, and bad things tend to happen to anyone who challenges the suppliers of either commodity. Yes that was meant to be a joke! About a unit of account being a commodity – not about the bad things done to challengers, which is deadly serious. Ownership of a civilization is not a trivial matter.
    And the money suppliers are the owners of our civilization.
    The money suppliers are our shepherd, …
    God help us!

    • I Shot Santa says:

      I’m guessing that China will also have access to the Syrian oil as well as the Iranian oil. If so, then they certainly will have a lot of bargaining power. Isn’t the Saudi oil production slowing as well? I confess, I try to stay away from oil. Slung a little stock in that area and it’s the murkiest swamp you’ll ever find. JimBob who don’t mind that stink from honest swamp muck, but that citified banker muck is a real mess.

      Good article. Looks like everything is really unfolding quickly nowadays. That’s good. I always hated waiting for things to get started.

  2. Hi James,

    >In your subscriber video you asked about an example of a “quotation” or “truth” that is “commonly known or understood” but may be completely false in reality.

    …I believe the “common sense” belief that “psychics and mediums are swindle charlatans” is a great example of a misunderstood truth; as both history and science are actually on the side of biology’s supernatural potential. In addition to science and history, there is even socio-economic evidence to support this claim I am about to make, and, I believe, should make worthy more attention on the subject in our modern culture.

    Throughout history there are endless examples of cultures who have spent centuries studying supposed “fringe” sciences such as Chi Gong, Feng Shui and the I Ching; practiced in various forms, modalities and incarnations all across the ancient world from Christianity to ancient Native Peoples of the Americas. In fact, to my knowledge, there is no purely Atheist significant society in recorded history. Furthermore, the use of such sciences were reserved, sometimes exclusively, for local nobility, chiefdom and royalty only; as the “common man could never understand” such things. …In Chi Gong’s case, for example, there is a case to be made for energy healing, in whatever forms, arguably being one of the most ancient forms of medical healing in the world.

    In today’s modern science, my understanding is that there is a paradigm shift occurring in today’s theoretical physicists, moving away from classical Newtonian physics and getting way more into non-linear dynamics. …I am not a physicist myself, but my understanding is that the new paradigm shift, while not yet trickling down into major Newtonian institutions such as medical industry or law enforcement, includes the acknowledgement of the role that observation plays in the outcome of seemingly “random” or unconnected events; for example, that our collective intention affects the weather. …If consciousness can be proven to influence the outcome of wave/particle dualities, and act as an organizing–and potentially governing–factor in how the material world applies itself, then it is possible that it could be proven that the physical Universe itself is not random, but intentionally organized (via evolution) and perhaps even self-aware (James is the physical Universe and James is Self-Aware). …I personally may not have the understanding figured out exactly, obviously, I am just a private practice practitioner myself, but I would source some references: Rupert Sheldrake, John Veltheim, David R. Hawkins, Amit Goswami, Fritjof Capra, Laura Stuve, Janet Galipo, Dean Radin, Russell Targ, Ian Stevenson and Fred Alan Wolf. Please note, this is the frontier of understanding of this field of science, and the field itself is just being pioneered; But I would also add, this faculty is growing, not shrinking, and I could list more references.

    Continued in part 2

    • VoiceOfArabi says:

      Hello everyone….

      Why is part 2 of Dylan Smeaton comment is above part 1 (and thanks Dylan Smeaton for make us aware.. I normally start reading and not getting the idea and i just skip few post thinking it is crazy talk.)

      Corbett… It is broken (or we don’t know how to use it).. Please either fix it or show us the right way to reading these post…

      thanks James

      • pearl says:

        It’s the new comment system which puts the most recent comment on the top, but that too can get tricky because of the karma points. I’ve found Dramamine helpful toward lessening the more unpleasant symptoms of my lingering motion sickness. 😉

        • VoiceOfArabi says:

          Hello Pearl,

          I hope all is well with you, and that was very funny… 🙂 so visual with a person head popping up and down trying to catch up…

          I believe it is configuration issue (or maybe the lack of in this case – i.e. this is the systems default, and a techie needs to tune it for our needs)..

          Or, maybe James will introduce a new way of commenting that will make our life easier, but we have not read the manual yet. (referred to in computerspeak “RTFM error!”)

          In any case.. James needs to let us know something 🙂 … He is playing a murder mystery case 🙂

          • pearl says:

            Lol (wink, wink manbearpig!) I had to look up RTFM. Yes, that’s always a good idea. Right up there with asking for directions before you get lost in no man’s land.

  3. This is Part 2

    From a socio-economic point of view, the “commonly known” belief that “all psychics and mediums are swindle charlatans” is contradicted in a variety of examples. For example, and perhaps most famously, there is a significant amount of evidence that the CIA funded, trained and used psychics throughout the cold war, and there are many, myself included, that believe that psychics are still being used to this day. There are also countless true stories of local police using psychics to help with missing children etc; with some arguable success. …And even the free market itself has proven that there is a real demand for psychic work in the economy, as the psychic trade would have starved out centuries ago after the death of Paganism in the European “Dark” middle-ages.

    In conclusion, in an age when we are granting citizenship to AI and exploring transhumanism, there are aspects of biological potential we haven’t even fully explored yet. Religion has obviously preyed upon this aspect of our biology and soured the mainstream into believing spirituality is “for profit charlatanism” and I personally believe there is a revolution-in-waiting in many areas of our modern culture as we apply our new understanding of physics into our every day lives. …For example, one revolution may be in the prioritization of mental health for children–as we now understand what long-term exposure to a “negative believe system” can do, a trauma that occurs to a child–manifests itself as an adult that is at higher risk for creating a self-induced “placebo effect” illness or injury as an adult. As a result of prioritizing mental health for children, it is possible the child will have a greater chance of being less distracted by their emotional needs, enabling them to have more focus, better health and thus more productive GDP per head, and is less of a cost on the system later on in midlife.

    Another example of revolution-in-waiting is in application of kinesiology and biofeedback in the medical industry. Biofeedback is already being used for nutrition and allergy testing today, and is on the rise as an effective and reliable diagnostics tool in other areas as well. …In 60 years, the field of medicine may be vastly different on a technological scale, which everyone is predicting, but hardly anyone is also aware of the potential revolution in consciousness that is awaiting our new paradigm of understanding ourselves, and, indeed, our everyday culture.

  4. Duck says:

    The T4 program to kill retarded kids was never called the T4 program.
    The book I read about it actually lied about its name…so how can I trust it?
    The prob with the ‘truth movement’ is one that Mr Corbet pointed out in his 911 video… people forget that 911 was a crime like any other that needed to take place in the ACTUAL PHYSICAL WORLD.
    Just like history is skunked by the stories we see in movies and novels the real events followng one after another (with some gaps in knowledge)have been replaced in peoples minds with story which is nebulous and shifts as needed. People replace witness statements and confession of Rudolf Höss with “the boy in the striped pajamas” just like people replace the historical Julius Ceaser and Brutus with Shakespeare version or the real Henry 8 with whatever flavor the TV is currently running.
    As a kid reading Fortean Times I realized that many of the fantastic stories I was reading were mutually exclusive- replacing facts and history with “story” make conspiracy theory 1) look silly because its followers clearly seen storytelling and doing club politics 2)a hobby for weirdos rather then something people can actually study and prove or disprove- aspointless as arguing about angels on pinheads.
    Worse it makes ‘truth” FLUID. Paraphrasing Walter Bowart on the LSD revolution “many of its subjects had expanded their minds to the point that they couldnt tell the difference between a trip and the heroin which showed up shortly afterwards.”
    People hate not knowing everything, and most of us are pretty lazy and so will always prefer ‘story’ which is easier theb having to wade thru facts and think.
    The Orwell DoubleThink is perfectly real today in that people can hold multiple idea sets that clearly cant BOTH BE RIGHT.
    The thing is… how many people really want to study REGULAR HISTORY and Regular Politics? You cant get into the deep version of anything until you have the surface level…. like we learn about the solar system atomic model before quarks and electron clouds and the deeper more complex layers of truth…and honestly I lost at at Quarks

    • generalbottlewasher says:

      James and Duck”…regular history…truth…”Quigley spoke of 6 parts of the American “solution of relying on experiance and, at the same time, helps society to link up with traditions ( the most therapeutic action in which any society can engage)
      1. There is a truth, a reality. ( thus the west rejects skepticism, solipsism, and nihilism.)
      2. No person, group, or organization has the whole picture of the truth. ( thus there is no absolute or final authority.)
      3. Every person of good will has some aspect of the truth, some vision of it from the angle of his own experience. (Thus each has something to contribute.)
      4. Through discussion, the aspects of the truth held by many can be pooled and arranged to form a consensus closer to the truth than any of the sources that contributed to it.
      5. This consensus is a temporary approximation of the truth, which is no sooner made than new experiences and additional information make it posible for it to be reformulated in closer approximation of the truth by continued discussion.
      6. This western man’s picture of the truth advances,by successive approximations, closer and closer to the whole truth without ever reaching it. Tragedy and Hope “

      • mik says:

        “This consensus is a temporary approximation of the truth….”

        This sentence is more insidious than one might think.
        Certainly the following author would disagree.

        Orwell’s 1984 Revisited: Postmodernity and the Demise of Self-Made Man

        “The quantitative gathering of as much information as possible from as many sources as possible does not lead to the truth and even less to correct action in accordance with the truth, because the truth does not reside in the empirical. Information is equivalent to building blocks. Unless you have the knowledge, the science of how a building is constructed, you are better of selling them for a price to someone who can make some use of them. The same, if you have a distorted notion (if at all) of the world, of human nature, of yourself and of how all this comes together and interacts all the information in the world will mean nothing.

        This is why few “alternative channels” today are not being co-opted by other power players or by this or that ideology. Those that maintain integrity – and among them we can mention James Corbett of Corbett Report at the top of the list – cannot unfortunately provide any meaningful direction.”
        The latter claim is far-fetched regarding James and his desire to show direction, the other thing is, are people able to get it.

        This is the right place to post part of Tao Te Ching 38 (again):

        When the Tao is lost, there is goodness.
        When goodness is lost, there is morality.
        When morality is lost, there is ritual.
        Ritual is the husk of true faith,
        the beginning of chaos.

        • manbearpig says:

          “Ritual is the husk of true faith,
          the beginning of chaos.”

          or total absurdity…

          reminds me vaguely of Baudrillard’s Simulacra and Simulation…(or my very twisted and distant interpretation of it…)

          “…Baudrillard believed that society has become so saturated with these simulacra and our lives so saturated with the constructs of society that all meaning was being rendered meaningless by being infinitely mutable. Baudrillard called this phenomenon the “precession of simulacra…”.

  5. manbearpig says:

    Well, as usual, I’ve no idea of what I’m talking about but for what it’s worth

    Russia would seem to hold a prime position in this OPEC + Russia face off with an Indian, Chinese, South Korean and Japanese buyer’s club…and strange cause and effect relationship on international events…??

    “Our government aims to make India a gas-based economy,” Indian Petroleum and Natural Gas Minister Dharmendra Pradhan told the media.

    “We are committed to Paris Accord of carbon emissions reduction,” he added.

    The LNG cargo arrived in India under a re-worked deal between the state-owned Gas Authority of India Limited (GAIL) and Russia’s Gazprom.

    Philippines Plans To Import Diesel From Russia, Non-OPEC Countries
    by Reuters|Thursday, May 31, 2018

    “…The policy has resulted in discussions between Manila and Moscow on cooperation agreements in law enforcement and defense as well as in energy…”

    “…The Russians are suggesting the 24-nation coalition that began cutting output about 18 months ago lift daily production by 1.5 million barrels, the same amount the International Energy Agency expects to disappear as economic and political crises seize Venezuela and Iran…

    …Reimposed sanctions on Iran by the U.S. and output declines from Venezuela could tighten the market further….”

    India will work with China on OPEC’s ‘Asian Premium’ issue: Pradhan
    “…To a query, the oil minister said, the bombing on Syria may result in pressure on international crude prices and for the long term gains India should develop alternate fuels for its consumption…”

    • manbearpig says:

      slowly trying to catch up with this Valentine’s day article:

      Russia Is Taking Over Syria’s Oil And Gas

      By Viktor Katona – Feb 14, 2018, 2:00 PM CST

      “…In accordance with an energy cooperation framework agreement signed in late January, Russia will have exclusive rights to produce oil and gas in Syria…

      …Most of Syrian export-bound oil was destined to Europe, partly because of its geographic vicinity, and partly because European companies Shell and Total (NYSE:TOT) were the largest shareholders in the sector. This is no longer possible as long as the EU ban on Syrian oil exports stays in place. Thus, the new owner would have to find new market outlets, either by relying on adjacent countries like Turkey or Lebanon,

      or by finding buyers in Asia…

      …Russia has been keen on increasing its foothold in Iraqi Kurdistan (Rosneft, Gazprom Neft), tapping into Lebanon’s offshore gas (NOVATEK), and having a bigger say in Eastern Mediterranean affairs in general. For that, taking over Syria’s oil and gas sector might be a very powerful, non-military, tool.”

      • I Shot Santa says:

        Okay, that clears up a bit for me. Odd that China would be so involved in Syria and yet give the Russians the oil. True, Russia has supplied the muscle, but China is in on the re-construction. This may have something to do with all the other eggs they have in their baskets. I’m assuming that sanctions won’t really affect the oil markets from Iran, since China is thirsty. To me, all of this tends to strengthen my opinion that Trumpy is disengaging from the world’s policeman idea which has drained the US for so long. I really see him as a businessman with strong nationalistic beliefs. I also see a lot of opportunities for freedom as these sex allegations start unfolding. This latest online one with old DeNiro looks like a great case to me. I wonder what intelligence agency ran it? It’s too sweet of a honey pot for me to think it’s an accident. Which makes me wonder if it was used to make people like him shout out things like “Fuck Trump”. I am operating on total speculation here. JimBob who don’t mind speculating as long as it’s not with his money. Other people’s money is perfectly acceptable.

        • Duck says:

          I shot Santa
          “…. To me, all of this tends to strengthen my opinion that Trumpy is disengaging from the world’s policeman idea which has drained the US for so long….”
          Doubtful… 1st recognizing Jeruselum as the Capital and gearing up Syria and his anger over the “chemical attacks” there.
          As to being about Business … I’m sure you know “War is a racket” by Smedly Butler. Corbet even had a thing on him I think

  6. HomeRemedySupply says:

    Regarding Subscriber Video #077
    What You Don’t Know Can’t Hurt You?

    Personally, I think that it is a good idea to try to “correct” fraudulent concepts (such as astronaut ice cream which I never knew until now)(or that JFK was NOT trying to get rid of the Federal Reserve), while keeping in mind that there are degrees of importances.

    In fact, just prior to this video, I learned about a wild raisin conspiracy by an excellent researcher, Melissa Gallico.

    The singing “California Raisins” are not who I thought they were.
    The following excerpt gave me a grin…
    …Meanwhile in the target market in Japan, concerned Japanese parents complained to television stations in Tokyo about the shriveled potato grabbing his crotch in front of their frightened children. Other Japanese viewers mistook the raisins for chocolate candy…. (with referenced links)

    Scroll down the page to “I. Raisins and War”.

  7. HomeRemedySupply says:

    Good article by Corbett about oil and Asia.

    Me thinks…
    Just the fact that India’s Petroleum Ministry publicly made a statement about this probably helps them to better negotiate oil purchases.

  8. pcwise555 says:

    The Jefferson quote “If the American People ever allow the banks…” was sourced in Antony Sutton’s booklet “The Federal Reserve Conspiracy” as follows

    The Writings of Jefferson vol. 7 (Autobiography, Correspondence, Reports, Messages, Addresses and other
    writings)(Committee of Congress: Washington, D.C. 1861)p.685

    But I couldn’t find anything on it.

  9. manbearpig says:

    Well…having finally listened to the Carey Wedler piece…

    I’d say that anyone who’s ever tried to challenge mainstream politically correct thinking in a person or group of people in more or less devious ways…

    knows perfectly well that the “truther” has to be infinitely more rigorous and accurate than anyone else out there if they’re to harbour the faintest hopes of planting the tiniest seeds of doubt.

    Indeed, in my experience, most folks, including better minds than my own (which should perhaps give me pause), will seize upon even the vaguest, humblest semblance of uncertainty or imprecision in delivery as a desperate pretext for preserving what I shall arrogantly label “their politically correct illusions”.

    So of course the “Well, the official name may not have been “Operation Mockingbird” but the terrible reality of governemnt-controlled media is demonstrably irrefutable”

    would be “de rigueur”…in my adamantly and infallibly correct opinion. 😎

    • I Shot Santa says:

      I’m lucky in that regard. I live in Fluorida. I’m lucky if the person I’m talking to even knows what party the president is in. JimBob who don’t mind flaunting his advantages when he’s got them.

  10. Ukdavec says:

    Interesting article. The buyers club concept becomes clearer if the following are considered.

    And the following presentation referred to in the above article by the head of Rosneft II Sechin with clear Mackinder influences exposed.

    Slides 14-17 are quite interesting



    • manbearpig says:

      As usual you’ve provided extremely pertinent material. I’ve done a lightening bolt skim of the article revolving around… The Sechin map and Russian diplomacy in the Syria conflict…

      and as Mr Corbett has amply been questioning the dynamics of the rise of Eurasia

      I continue to wonder to what extent it’s spontaneous chess pieces falling into place

      or to what extent the game’s been staged… with, in addition to the supply and demand energy producers, exhibits A, B and C being ostensible key energy routes on the one hand and contrived terrorist activity on the other…

      Can’t wait to reread the article (whose author has a rather illustrious past tis seems?)

      within the context of the slides and the last link!

      Thanks again Mr Ukdavec!

      now I’m soooooo late… hate Monday morning…can’t trust that dayyyyyyy….just turns out that waaaaayyyyy….

      • Ukdavec says:

        Pleased that the posts are found to be useful – James is such a great curator for nailing the relevant hot topics.

        This is doing the rounds on twitter

        • manbearpig says:

          First class cancelled so will be looking at links sooner than expected!

          Born within a few years of each other, I’ve always wondered if the British-assisted creation of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia didn’t suffer from some variety of Planned Obsolescence…



  11. Oscar says:

    Hi James,

    You make a good point with regard to using the term ‘Operation Mockingbird’.

    My reply to your question is that if you are in a position to do the research (as you yourself are and you indeed seem to be doing) and you want to be scientific about it, you should try to use the most reliable sources when discussing a topic. If it turns out that the term ‘Operation Mockingbird’ for example doesn’t make the cut, don’t use it as the main term. Instead, you could use this term as a side note. And in its place you should use the most authoritative term or quote from the most authoritative person you can find. In this case that could be the quote from CIA Director William Casey in 1981 to president Ronald Reagan:
    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

    So in this case you can then refer to this quote as authoritative term instead of using the term ‘Operation Mockingbird’ as main term on this subject.

    • mik says:

      It’s alleged Casey’s quote as I know.

      About Mockingbird….

      It is just about naming of operation, it’s substance is beyond reasonable doubt, therefore it is a minor mistake, no biggie.

      Acknowledge mistake and go on.

  12. manbearpig says:

    So I bit the bullet and watched Dore’s sarcastically vehement pro-Trump schtick listed in the Corbett Report recommended viewing section and Grumpy grinch that I am, all I found interesting about this episode that focused on Maddow’s 11-mile Russian Conspiracy behind Trump’s ostensible peace accords with Kim is (if I haven’t missed an episode) that Chomsky must be eating his hat…

    and that Pakistan wants to make peace with India…and India poopoos Sharif’s declarations…

    and thanks to the article cited in Dore’s “show”, that Shehbaz’s brother Nawaz Sharif was ousted “thanks” to the Panama Papers (I’d wondered as to the utility of that scandal…)…



    From the cited article:

    “…While Shehbaz Sharif has made relatively few public comments on his policy towards India in the past,

    his brother was seen as willing to bridge the divide between the two countries.

    Nawaz Sherif developed something of a relationship with India’s Narendra Modi, even attending his swearing-in as prime minister when some in Pakistan would have advised him against doing so…”

    Why would muslim Pakistan be advised not to attend the Indian prime minister’s swearing in…?


    I need to learn more about this divide…

    • Duck says:

      “…I need to learn more about this divide…..”
      I guess you mean between india and pakistan?
      I recall one time in the newsa bunch of muslims in (I think) North india burned a train full of Hindu scholars coming to preach in the area….the larger population of Hindus then killed a ton of local Muslims.
      When the brits pulled out of India the Muslims and the Hindus butchered each other until partition into Pakistan and India… Bagladesh broke off from Pakistan because of some ethnic stuff I think. If I recall there were large population movements when Pakistan and india broke appart as being the “wrong” religion in the Wrong area was very dangerous. They do coexist today i some areas but Pakistan is known to fund muslim sepratists in mixed populaion indian districts.
      The Muslims conducted possibly the largest genocide ever on the hindus when invading since tpagans got not “people of the book status” at all. That may be why the two groups dislike each other.
      They have lived with Muslim rulers over large hindu populations (I think thats the the Mughal empire) which had the britsish not taken over ould have become muslim in time (as did middleeast where folks became muslim to gain civil rights and avoid tax)
      I believe the British used existing ethnic and reigious hatreds to help keep the upper hand over the masses.
      I knew a pakistani and he had utter disgust and contempt for indias as people (interestingly he was kinda racist about them being darker skinned too even though he wasnt really “Klan color” material…..)
      Hoe thats what you wanted to know… iff not sorry to waffle on for nothing.
      side note being that I knew a christian who’s dad was an anglican and regularly beat up for preaching to hindus.

      • VoiceOfArabi says:

        Hello Duck,

        I hope I can help here, as i am very close to both India and Pakistan, and understand the ins and outs of it all.

        Indians and Pakistanis both hate each other enough to kill..

        Very similar too…

        – Shia’a and Sunni Muslims hate each other enough to at least maim.
        – protestant and catholic in northern island hate each other enough to maim.
        – black and white hate each other enough in US of A to murder.
        – etc etc… the list is long…

        but those are manufactured hate to keep us busy killing each other and not focusing on “The Man”.

        So, let us take India and Pakistan….

        The British East India Company (i would like to refer to it as version 1.0 of “The Man”) was having their asses handed to them by the local population banding together to kick the invaders out (i am sure everyone saw in the movie how the Mahatma Gandhi was a Hindu who embodied all religions in India i.e. was the bridge), and that kind of unity gets in the way of “The Man”, and has to be destroyed.

        So.. solution.. First.. Study all the fault lines in any nation.. (Arabs= Fault line is Shia’a Sunni divide), once “The Man” scholars understand and study the divide, work on polarizing that fault line (in Pakistan/India.. Create two separate nations with opposing labels), and three… Keep the people dumb and don’t allow them to resolve this divide… i.e. keep fueling the fire.

        The British East India company did the same thing when they lost the war in Iraq around the 1800’s and they came up with the Shia’a sunni thing.. They used it again recently when they needed to subdue Iran. in the 1980’s.

        So… It is not the people of India and Pakistan, and at the same time, It is the people of India and Pakistan and every where in the world. As long as they are kept dumb and on the brink of poverty.. “The Man” is OK.

        • Duck says:

          “…It is not the people of India and Pakistan, and at the same time, It is ….”

      • manbearpig says:

        Nope. Yup. Goodmorning Duck, about your Pakistan/India assessment:

        Indeed, I thought is was pretty much something to that effect. Especially:

        “I believe the British used existing ethnic and reigious hatreds to help keep the upper hand over the masses.”

        In fact, I’m rather convinced colonialist Britain had pre-planned pretty much everything you described before they were even effectively gone and I recently found an article about a book that came out in 2005 that starts to suggest that’s possible:

        Pakistan a British creation

        K SUBRAHMANYAM | Jun 22, 2005,

        “…According to popular folklore both in India and Pakistan, Mohammad Ali Jinnah created Pakistan after he went back on acceptance of the Cabinet Mission Plan and when Jawaharlal Nehru and Sardar Patel, faced with the British threat of conducting a referendum in every province, succumbed to pressure. On June 3, 1947, viceroy Lord Mountbatten presented the Partition plan and got the Congress and the Muslim League to agree to it.
        This interpretation has been turned on its head by Narendra Singh Sarila, ADC to Mountbatten in 1947, who argues in a forthcoming book that the Partition of India was decided in February 1946 on Cold War strategic considerations…

        …In other words, Cyril Radcliffe did not draw the Partition lines in 1947. Wavell drew them in February 1946.

        …Jinnah was a convenient instrument for the British against the Congress. It is no surprise that Pakistan became a much-needed base for the West in the Cold War against the Soviet Union…”

        Just wondering in view of Sherif senior’s downfall why this must continue on today…? (which also might appear pretty obvious)

        Don’t know why exactly but Pakistan somehow seems pertinent with this new rise of Eurasia and shuffling Eastern alliances…

        anyhow. Thanks for feedback, time for a cup of coffee…

        • VoiceOfArabi says:

          Hello manbearpig,

          Sorry i did not see your post first, and I almost repeated what you said… 🙂

        • Duck says:

          “..Don’t know why exactly but Pakistan somehow seems pertinent with this new rise of Eurasia and shuffling Eastern alliances…..”

          I read that the Chinese are setting up a base in Pakistan soon- i thought they had but no reports come up on my search engine, just plans to do so.

          This matters since that gives them a chance to deploy ships all along their trade routes and maybe be able to project their power outside the US containment field.
          I think the US has been playing India and Pakistan off for years but if the Pakistanis are angry that the US kicked their pets the Taliban out of power- I read the indians were funding some anti-taliban afgan fighters too just like the pakistani’s fund people to make trouble in disputed indian districts.
          You should prob look if ‘Caspian report’ on Youtube has something on them if your after more info… ahh yes, they do have a ton of reports on pakistan.
          I’d be really surprised if the British PLANNED to divide the Indian state… they were in full on retreat/collapse after the war. On the other hand I’ve been surprised by plenty of other stuff 🙂

          • manbearpig says:

            Wow! A Chinese naval base!? Ok! I’ll have a look! And the “Caspian Report”! Great! Thanks again!

            ps: “they were in full on retreat/collapse after the war”…
            I imagine (perhaps erroneously) that that’s precisely why they slashed a region off the sizeable country –

            exploiting the “fault lines” as VOA pointed out and creating a foothold for the localized creation of heated chaos…

            the tired but effective old toxic techniques of opportunistic “divide and conquer” and creation of murderous antagonism and confusion…

            eeeeeek! gotta ruuuuunnnnnnn! 😯

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