Hong Kong: Chaos Before the Order

08/17/201923 Comments

When Fox News talking head Kathleen "KT" McFarland had ex-Reagan stooge Michael Pillsbury on her "Defcon 3" web show in 2014 to discuss the so-called Umbrella Movement protests that were then raging across Hong Kong, she got more than she bargained for.

Noting that "Chinese state-owned media" were alleging that the protests were "all the fault of the Americans," she asked Pillsbury point blank: "So what do you think? It's all the Americans' fault?"

Obviously, she was expecting a simple "no." Instead, Pillsbury told her: "It's not all our fault, but we're partially involved. We have a large consulate there that's in charge of taking care of the Hong Kong Policy Act passed by Congress to ensure democracy in Hong Kong. We also have funded millions of dollars of programs through the National Endowment for Democracy to help democracy in Hong Kong. So in that sense the Chinese accusation is not totally false."

Like an old propaganda master, McFarland ignored that inconvenient answer and plowed ahead with her prepared questions (including one that began, "My former boss, Henry Kissinger, and I know he's a friend of yours as well. . ."). Regardless, the ugly truth did peek out from behind the slickly packaged "news" propaganda, if only for a moment, and there was no putting the toothpaste back in the tube.

Five years old now, that exchange has resurfaced in the wake of the latest round of protests in Hong Kong to underscore the point that Uncle Sam does have his fingers in the HK pie and is still manipulating events there. The latest indication of US interference in HK is the brouhaha caused by US diplomat Julie Eadah, who was caught meeting with some of the protest movement's leading activists in a picture that made the rounds on Chinese social media.

The picture caused a stir, with China "summon[ing] senior officials from the US consulate general in Hong Kong and lodg[ing] stern representations over the contact between US consulate officials and Hong Kong secessionist forces." The US response? You're a bunch of thugs for daring to talk about the picture!

But all of this tit-for-tat raises a string of questions: What is America's role in the current Hong Kong protest movement? Does Washington's involvement in the protests delegitimize the movement itself? And where does that leave us, looking from the outside in at a situation like this?

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  1. zyxzevn says:

    There is an update on Reddit/imgur everyday, and it seems to me
    that these are popular places to spread propaganda.
    I noticed that the police is far less brutal than we see in Paris, during those huge demonstrations that no-one reports about.

    I assume that the Chinese are preparing for some mass arrests.
    We are to believe that they will kill the protestors, but I
    assume that these arrests will lead to “re-education” instead.

    The weird thing is that the HK protesters are using American flags to
    push for some kind of intervention.
    In the comments people do not really fall for that.
    The US is not seen as the spreader of democracy any more.
    There will also be no intervention, because HK does not have oil.

    The protests started about extradition of criminals, I believe?
    I hope some day people will protest against the extradition
    and imprisonment of journalists in Europe/UK.
    That would really be change.

    • phreedomphile says:

      ” but I assume that these arrests will lead to “re-education” instead”

      Perhaps Uighur style to include permanent disappearances and organ harvesting, another large human farming business to mirror the Falun Gong experience.

      China’s government considers non conformity and government criticism to be a criminal act. Peaceful dissenters will becomes the focus of extradition. The people of Hong Kong understand that well.

      The US was captured by the pyramid cap early on and molded to reflect a level of freedom unknown to the average serf across generations. The resulting energy and explosively dynamic social and technical developments became the potential for a powerful “scientific” dictatorship. Thus, on the one hand there is the facade and the trap the US became as a lure to the final objective. On the other there is the real human potential that emerged when a fraction of our natural rights as sentient beings was allowed to grow and explore.

      It’s the value system that we need to foster and fight for.

      Ignore ALL flag waving, that’s akin to Dr. Jose Delgado’s bulls and their controlled rage.

      BTW, China’s elites are just as active as American elites in the war against a free humanity and they are working closely together, cooperating. There is a reason Mao was a Yale Student in China and the editor of the Yale newsletter there.

  2. Peripatêtikos says:

    There are instructive parallels and differences between HK and the abortive Maidan protest and coup d’etat in Ukraine, effectively frozen by Russia’s deft leveraging of the hubris, disunity and poor planning of Obama/Biden neocon/humantiarian interveners, their carpet-baggers and native oligarch clients. Having lost control of the industry and raw materials of the Donbas region, Kiev remains a politically headless, flopping chicken, one with Brownshirts on and off the payroll. But Russia certainly paid a price for it, as of course have the people of Ukraine.

    The US/UK provocation, shooting down of the Malaysian airliner, and the idiocy of the “investigation” which ensued signal the failure, were the death knell of the entire effort.

    Politically and financially, the time for the US to crash The Party in HK has long passed, but damage can still be inflicted.

    I don’t have a magic crystal, but nothing is more predictable than a deeply rooted lack of creativity.

    So, look again to civil aviation, an area of exclusive US Deep State control. Look at the recently reopened and “secure” HK airport. Look to the skies for the next “bold” move.

  3. pearl says:

    I just can’t figure out why every time I read articles like this, I come away with The Beatles’ “Piggies” stuck on replay in my mind. Weird.

    Have you seen the little piggies
    Crawling in the dirt?
    And for all the little piggies
    Life is getting worse
    Always having dirt to play around in

    Have you seen the bigger piggies
    In their starched white shirts?
    You will find the bigger piggies
    Stirring up the dirt
    Always have clean shirts to play around in

    In their styes with all their backing
    They don’t care what goes on around
    In their eyes there’s something lacking
    What they need’s a damn good whacking

    Everywhere there’s lots of piggies
    Living piggy lives
    You can see them out for dinner
    With their piggy wives
    Clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon

    youtube.com/watch?v=RhY1x8CpWeI

    • cooly says:

      pearl-

      Hey there. I was just thinking, if you ever need a break from that particular ear worm after reading such stories, you could take that CD out of your head and put in Pink Floyd’s “Animals” album.

      Also, how rude of me not to answer your last question in a timely manner- I am aware of Night Gallery but have never seen it. Next trip to the library I will see if they have any seasons.

      • pearl says:

        No worries, cooly. I pardon you. 😉

        I get plenty from my daily readings and don’t necessarily want to wallow in despairing, accompanying music. But I do enjoy some of Pink Floyd’s more mainstream hits.

  4. manbearpig says:

    I have to say that the insightful words of Corbett commenter phreedomphile come to mind while reading this article, which were:

    “How many ways can a global police state emerge? Stay tuned!”

    So is Jammu and Kashmir with their reorganized territories like Hong Kong as a territory of China like Mexico with their reorganized police job description like France with their ignored and brutalized yellow vests like Yemen that’s woefully martyrized like the internet that needs saving from corrupt google and conspiracy theorists with a global cyber-police state like the U.S. with their uncontrolled mass shootings supposedly in need of police state protection like Syria still occupied by so-called “Rebel forces” and Palestine occupied by an inscrupulous, murderous, nuclear-armed state like the children of the world in need of an international police state for protection from pédophiles like the world’s Currency is in need of a new form and standard like the environment in need of a global green police state, like humanity itself in need of a transhumanist police state to protect it from death in all its form and all the others I’ve forgotten and so on it goes…

    How many ways can a global police state emerge!? Stay tuned! We’re still counting!

    But not for long…

    • phreedomphile says:

      Wow, manbearpig, that’s it in a perfect nutshell! Very well done.
      You have the adjusting lens. The decoder ring from the Cracker Jack box.

      And thank you for the kind compliment. 😉

      BTW, on the US home front (Homeland) microcosm of ordo ab chao some fresh social chaos is being methodically incubated. At first I took notice when the Boston D.A. announced her office would no longer prosecute a list of crimes including [low level?] vandalism and physical assault. Next I came across a documentary on the pandemonium the homeless are creating in Seattle as a result of the police there being told to stand down. Similar scenarios in San Francisco and Los Angeles. Then came a voter referendum in Denver to allow the homeless to camp anywhere, including a home owner’s front lawn. It failed but the psychedelic mushroom referendum passed. So on it goes, bit by bit the dominoes are set up. A booming buzzing confusion with a purpose.

      Are we the last wild type homo sapiens left? Immune to the hypnosis.
      Seems most everyone else has succumbed to seductive narratives, the high drama.
      Meanwhile, the denouement is heavily pregnant with an Orwellian Technotronic Digital Gulag.

      • generalbottlewasher says:

        Phreedomphile; I must agree wholeheartedly and remind the readers of the sophisticated equipment available to the French.
        Here in the heartland such sophistication of thought is denied to us. After the heavy bombardment of soot and coal fly ash which leaves the population in such a state of confusion that the state sponsored dusting and radiating is no longer even noticed. All such devices of clarity available to the French are obscavated from us which leaves us at a huge disadvantage in knowing we are even in the boiling pot and the main course for dinner at eight. Bravo MBP! Pearl the pigs are on the wing here too clutching knives and forks

        • phreedomphile says:

          Yes indeed, Generalbottlewasher. Spot on reminder about the spraying.

          How is it the most absurd situations and brazen mind job assaults are never questioned? Doesn’t seem possible. Does the hardwired Dunbar group reflex demand conformity to the point of accepting implausible cause and effect narratives? I believe this evolutionary trait is being strongly manipulated via a cocktail of poisons and an unnatural diet, and endless brainwashing, of course.

          Ultimately, the scheme is built on a house of cards.
          Kaczynski is still right about that.

  5. Not Another Not-Bot! says:

    Uncle Sam manipulates and grooms and
    pays it’s proxies, only to dump them when they’ve served their purpose, in much the same way that Epstein used teenage girls from the morally bankrupt western world.

    And to what purpose? To further democracy and freedom in HK? Hardly. For where did America’s or Britain’s hand ever bring anything but deeper division and misery? More likely, the intention is to provoke a Chinese military response, for the aim of demonizing Xi, waging economic war on China, and pressuring nations that participate in the BRI to back away from that venture.

    • phreedomphile says:

      China is Brezinski’s model of totalitarian rule for the world. The Chinese elites are waging the same economic war on the proles that the western elites and middle eastern elites are waging on their serfs.

      You should consider taking a look at Lynette Zang’s recent update on China’s economy. They have been taken down the same garden path of unsustainable debt fueling a “consumer economy” with a Chinese bank now failing and China’s government saying there will be no rescue this time.

      BRI is UNCTAD and part of the UN Agenda 2030 project to dissolve nation states to include selling off public assets to multinational corporations. It’s happening now at a rapid clip. Also take note China hired Erik Prince to oversee BRI privatized security details. Prince has also been their hired hand to train mercenary security forces in Africa.

      No surprise Israel is strongly involved in BRI and had a BRI port built in Israel several years before the project was announced to the world. Gotta connect some more dots, my friend, to see the big pic. There’s a reason Trump never mentioned or tried to rescind Obama’s de facto transfer of management of the net to the UN via ICANN with China reportedly poised to take over management duties. Chertoff had a hand in this quiet back door transfer having sat on the international committee that decided how the internet would be controlled. Chertoff is a dual citizen.

  6. scpat says:

    What came to mind after reading this article is that freedom of the common man CANNOT be achieved by getting physical with the State, who are in the business of getting physical. Freedom can also not be achieved by complaining to the government or protesting in this way. This just opens up the people to become the playthings of some ruling class. The battle for freedom has to be won in the mind. As James says, we will sit at our own table. We don’t need to beg for scraps from the master’s table. We will play our own game.

  7. bladtheimpaler says:

    Indeed, who IS fighting over freedoms in HK!? While the people of HK have legitimate concerns over their freedom the two state adversaries, if the brutal truth were to be told, both hate the HK people for their freedoms. If one were to calculate how this will end badly and knowing what the one world state thinks then the people of HK might come to believe they are being set up for a massive fail and a crushing defeat with coming heavy costs for the up rising’s leaders and more important followers.

    Some globalist technocrat somewhere has done this further calculation even if China, the U.S. and the people of HK have not. Otherwise the control mechanisms over states would be seen being used to effect a more desired outcome. Both states are globalist states and both are working to the same ends from opposite poles. It is a case of the globalists against the people of HK.

  8. scpat says:

    Re: Recommended Viewing – Docs Show Google Censoring Indy Media, Does Anyone Care???

    I went through all of the documents in the ‘Censorship’ folder provided by Project Veritas
    https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/08/14/google-machine-learning-fairness-whistleblower-goes-public-says-burden-lifted-off-of-my-soul/

    Project Veritas – Censorship folder:
    Some terms in the ‘youtube_cotroversial_query_blacklist.pdf’ that made me raise my eyebrows:
    false flag
    white helmets

    From ‘IMG_0111.JPG’
    What Google considers Sample fringe queries:
    [who shot JFK]
    [climate change hoax]
    [is global warming real]
    [do vaccines cause autism]

    From ‘IMG_0112’
    Other fringe topics: conspiracies and fake news
    ‘Exposing the fraud of 9/11 in 22 minutes’
    I searched the title on YouTube. I hadn’t seen it before so I watched it. It is a montage of different 9/11 documentaries. The video actually closes with James’ ‘9/11: A Conspiracy Theory’ video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afUS_58XC5I

  9. manbearpig says:

    In a world of escalating tensions this article is provocative… Houthis claim responsability and everything…

    As Pearl would say… Something feels sort of “off” here:

    https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2019/aug/18/houthis-launch-drone-attack-on-saudi-oi/?news

    Is it because it’s easier for me to see the Yemeni as total victims?
    Is is because it seems like a good pretext for pointing fingers at Iran?

    Dunno but the timing, something seems convenient here somehow…

  10. Jeffa says:

    Hi,
    Not necessarily apropos of current gist. Still may I remind everyone that “photos”, pictures, images, of both the still and moving type are no longer admissable in the court of reason. Sort of amazed that we of the more informed class continue to hang on to this vestige of past objectivity. I could paste this comment in a few choice discussions.
    Epstein comes foremost to mind. Excuse me, and respectfully enlighten me if you feel this issue is indeed being robustly addressed.

    • Jeffa says:

      To be clear, I mean they (images) are not admissable as empirical evidence, as undeniable and purely objective. A status I believe they never fully deserved, but now have not in the least.

  11. Jeffa says:

    To further this, what I feel is a huge point. Anything and every little thing that appears on our screen is an image. Including the text you just got from your boss…
    Including this post which is subject to all kinds of manipulations depending on it’s recipient and so forth. Simple images all. We are more embedded in a purely subjective irrational, world of no facts than ever before. I love to watch the smarty pants strutting about with all their insight and perspicacity.

  12. Jeffa says:

    And, finally, given the that I’m not sure how to pronounce that last word, nor precisely know what it means, I plead guilty to that which I criticize, which is often the case…

  13. Octium says:

    Another angle is the propaganda aimed back at the western consumer of the news. A way of promoting the idea that Democracy is so good that disadvantaged people from other parts of the world are fighting to get it!!

    After all, you can’t really directly promote Democracy given it originated from civilizations that thought owning personal slaves were a good idea. You can’t really promote Democracy by example either, most of the people want one thing – the laws they end with are the other!

    • cooly says:

      Octium-

      Right you are. Tyranny doesn’t sell it’s self. It requires marketing.

  14. allister says:

    “Hong Kong: Chaos Before the Order”

    I’ve just taken the time recently to review many of the Antony C Sutton’s interviews for example this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Kt6YxPPio I think your title to this piece is very apt, perhaps it was your intention, either way Prof Sutton’s research is worth consideration in the context of HongKong machinations.

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