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	<title>Comments on: Episode 294 &#8211; Crashes of Convenience: MH17</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel in Stockholm</title>
		<link>https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-294-crashes-of-convenience-mh17/comment-page-1/#comment-24351</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel in Stockholm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Non-disclosure Agreement between Ukraine, Australia, the Netherlands and Belgium mentioned in the podcast seems to have been confirmed: 
http://sciblogs.co.nz/open-parachute/2014/12/10/dirty-politics-over-mh17/
From the article: &quot;The non-disclosure agreement itself is classified! What the hell could be in the agreement which makes it a state secret in Australia, Ukraine, Belgium and the Netherlands?&quot; Good question..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Non-disclosure Agreement between Ukraine, Australia, the Netherlands and Belgium mentioned in the podcast seems to have been confirmed:<br />
<a href="http://sciblogs.co.nz/open-parachute/2014/12/10/dirty-politics-over-mh17/" rel="nofollow">http://sciblogs.co.nz/open-parachute/2014/12/10/dirty-politics-over-mh17/</a><br />
From the article: &#8220;The non-disclosure agreement itself is classified! What the hell could be in the agreement which makes it a state secret in Australia, Ukraine, Belgium and the Netherlands?&#8221; Good question..</p>
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		<title>By: NotDole</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NotDole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to diminish the importance and quality of the information here, but James you got me laughing at numerous points in here, &quot;if airplanes have a birthday&quot;. Heheh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to diminish the importance and quality of the information here, but James you got me laughing at numerous points in here, &#8220;if airplanes have a birthday&#8221;. Heheh.</p>
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		<title>By: greencrow</title>
		<link>https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-294-crashes-of-convenience-mh17/comment-page-1/#comment-8725</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[greencrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

This is Wikipedia&#039;s version of what happened to MH17...why this source can definitely not be trusted on anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17</a></p>
<p>This is Wikipedia&#8217;s version of what happened to MH17&#8230;why this source can definitely not be trusted on anything.</p>
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		<title>By: greencrow</title>
		<link>https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-294-crashes-of-convenience-mh17/comment-page-1/#comment-8723</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[greencrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your comment, spoonful.  Here is a good read about Putin&#039;s political methodology

http://viewsandpreviews.com/is-putin-ready-to-sack-the-medvedev-government/

The quote from Putin is quite telling in how he thinks and demands complete &quot;follow my orders, or else&quot;.  I have had a lot of &quot;Russian&quot; hits on my blog since I came out with my theory on MH17. : ) 

I was surprised by your statement:

&quot;...  There is simply too much evidence out there for Putin to keep it bottled up.&quot;

Surely you cannot believe this after 9/11.  Having evidence and being able to prevent legal action/justice...are two totally different things...as we found out from 9/11.

gc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, spoonful.  Here is a good read about Putin&#8217;s political methodology</p>
<p><a href="http://viewsandpreviews.com/is-putin-ready-to-sack-the-medvedev-government/" rel="nofollow">http://viewsandpreviews.com/is-putin-ready-to-sack-the-medvedev-government/</a></p>
<p>The quote from Putin is quite telling in how he thinks and demands complete &#8220;follow my orders, or else&#8221;.  I have had a lot of &#8220;Russian&#8221; hits on my blog since I came out with my theory on MH17. : ) </p>
<p>I was surprised by your statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;  There is simply too much evidence out there for Putin to keep it bottled up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Surely you cannot believe this after 9/11.  Having evidence and being able to prevent legal action/justice&#8230;are two totally different things&#8230;as we found out from 9/11.</p>
<p>gc</p>
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		<title>By: spoonful</title>
		<link>https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-294-crashes-of-convenience-mh17/comment-page-1/#comment-8637</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spoonful]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2014 00:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is some logic to Putin selling out truth for a ceasefire, but I am not convinced.  The terms of the ceasefire are quite nebulous.  To the extent that any representative of the Ukrainian government moves their lips, the one thing that is certain is they are lying.  To rely so heavily on such a fragile word of honor would be foolhardy - a description not often used to describe the Russian leader.  The report put out today by the Russian Union of Engineers is persuasive as to the culpability of a Ukrainian jet, even suggesting a MIG-29.   See http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com  One other report from a Romanian pilot has suggested the plane was a MIG-29 from Poland.  There is simply too much evidence out there for Putin to keep it bottled up.  By halting the march of the Kiev psychopaths, the exposure of MH17 as a brazen act of murder would better serve Russian interests than a fragile and nebulous ceasefire.  Having said that Greencrow, I have total respect your idea. It does not seem to appear anywhere else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some logic to Putin selling out truth for a ceasefire, but I am not convinced.  The terms of the ceasefire are quite nebulous.  To the extent that any representative of the Ukrainian government moves their lips, the one thing that is certain is they are lying.  To rely so heavily on such a fragile word of honor would be foolhardy &#8211; a description not often used to describe the Russian leader.  The report put out today by the Russian Union of Engineers is persuasive as to the culpability of a Ukrainian jet, even suggesting a MIG-29.   See <a href="http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com</a>  One other report from a Romanian pilot has suggested the plane was a MIG-29 from Poland.  There is simply too much evidence out there for Putin to keep it bottled up.  By halting the march of the Kiev psychopaths, the exposure of MH17 as a brazen act of murder would better serve Russian interests than a fragile and nebulous ceasefire.  Having said that Greencrow, I have total respect your idea. It does not seem to appear anywhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: greencrow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[greencrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2014 20:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, here is the link to the German pilot&#039;s report in globalresearch.ca:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/camouflage-and-coverup-the-dutch-commission-report-on-the-malaysian-mh17-crash-is-not-worth-the-paper-its-written-on/5400990

Also, I recommend reading this article by Paul Craig Roberts, which says that there is a fifth column operating in Russia that supports the West&#039;s agenda for weakening and ultimate dissolution of the Russian Federation:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/14/washingtons-war-russia-paul-craig-roberts-2/

Putin is not able to control everything that Russia does.  I was already aware of this fifth column but PCR really brings it home.

It is disgusting beyond words how these globalist fascists have insinuated themselves into every country on earth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, here is the link to the German pilot&#8217;s report in globalresearch.ca:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/camouflage-and-coverup-the-dutch-commission-report-on-the-malaysian-mh17-crash-is-not-worth-the-paper-its-written-on/5400990" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalresearch.ca/camouflage-and-coverup-the-dutch-commission-report-on-the-malaysian-mh17-crash-is-not-worth-the-paper-its-written-on/5400990</a></p>
<p>Also, I recommend reading this article by Paul Craig Roberts, which says that there is a fifth column operating in Russia that supports the West&#8217;s agenda for weakening and ultimate dissolution of the Russian Federation:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/14/washingtons-war-russia-paul-craig-roberts-2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/14/washingtons-war-russia-paul-craig-roberts-2/</a></p>
<p>Putin is not able to control everything that Russia does.  I was already aware of this fifth column but PCR really brings it home.</p>
<p>It is disgusting beyond words how these globalist fascists have insinuated themselves into every country on earth.</p>
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		<title>By: greencrow</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are two more updates on the MH17 from my blog entry where I made the suppositions in my original post above.

In my post, I say that I agree with Putin&#039;s decision to put peace in Ukraine before vengeance for the MH17 attack.  It pains me to go against my inclination towards truth whatever the cost but, in this geopolitical situation, you have two sides that are fighting to keep one another off base.  Putin scored two points by taking the course that he took.  He out-feinted the US and he gained more trust with the pro-Russian Ukrainians.

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UPDATE:  September 12, 2014 here is a report from globalresearch.ca where a German jet pilot says the MH17 report &quot;is not worth the paper it is written on&quot;.  The more that comes out about the ceasefire and recent communications between Putin and Poroshenko, the more I believe I am correct in my assessment that Putin sacrificed MH17 truth for the greater good of peace in the Ukraine.  Particularly interesting is today&#039;s announcement that Kiev has &#039;delayed&quot; implementation of its agreement with the EU.  Putin must have Poroshenko on a VERY short leash indeed.  Also, the Ukrainian Parliament is debating the forgiving of &quot;war crimes&quot; committed by military staff and &quot;others&quot;.  Could the &quot;others&quot; be foreigners who were in the Air Traffic Control Tower and/or in the jets that shot down MH17?

UPDATE:  September 10, 2014  Two omissions from the MH17 preliminary report that give away the under-the-table agreement (which includes Russia) not to reveal who did it and why are:

 1.  The complete absence from the report of any information about the two jets that were witnessed (on radar and by ground witnesses) stalking, and then shooting at the plane.  The identities of the pilots should have become public and interviewing them should have been job one of the investigation;

 2.  The whereabouts of the ATC communications data.  Russia was demanding that this crucial evidence be submitted by Kiev and made public.  This would have revealed what was going on in the Tower at the time of the shoot down...who the &quot;Kiev authorities and foreigners&quot; were and who made the decisions.  Now there is nothing on this.

Putin was faced with a complicated moral dilemma.  Should he pursue the truth about MH17 and give peace of mind (if nothing else) to the relatives of the victims?  Or should he use the evidence about the shoot down as a tool/lever towards the better good....peace in the Ukraine.  In my opinion, he made the right decision.  Only time will tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two more updates on the MH17 from my blog entry where I made the suppositions in my original post above.</p>
<p>In my post, I say that I agree with Putin&#8217;s decision to put peace in Ukraine before vengeance for the MH17 attack.  It pains me to go against my inclination towards truth whatever the cost but, in this geopolitical situation, you have two sides that are fighting to keep one another off base.  Putin scored two points by taking the course that he took.  He out-feinted the US and he gained more trust with the pro-Russian Ukrainians.</p>
<p>*******************************************</p>
<p>UPDATE:  September 12, 2014 here is a report from globalresearch.ca where a German jet pilot says the MH17 report &#8220;is not worth the paper it is written on&#8221;.  The more that comes out about the ceasefire and recent communications between Putin and Poroshenko, the more I believe I am correct in my assessment that Putin sacrificed MH17 truth for the greater good of peace in the Ukraine.  Particularly interesting is today&#8217;s announcement that Kiev has &#8216;delayed&#8221; implementation of its agreement with the EU.  Putin must have Poroshenko on a VERY short leash indeed.  Also, the Ukrainian Parliament is debating the forgiving of &#8220;war crimes&#8221; committed by military staff and &#8220;others&#8221;.  Could the &#8220;others&#8221; be foreigners who were in the Air Traffic Control Tower and/or in the jets that shot down MH17?</p>
<p>UPDATE:  September 10, 2014  Two omissions from the MH17 preliminary report that give away the under-the-table agreement (which includes Russia) not to reveal who did it and why are:</p>
<p> 1.  The complete absence from the report of any information about the two jets that were witnessed (on radar and by ground witnesses) stalking, and then shooting at the plane.  The identities of the pilots should have become public and interviewing them should have been job one of the investigation;</p>
<p> 2.  The whereabouts of the ATC communications data.  Russia was demanding that this crucial evidence be submitted by Kiev and made public.  This would have revealed what was going on in the Tower at the time of the shoot down&#8230;who the &#8220;Kiev authorities and foreigners&#8221; were and who made the decisions.  Now there is nothing on this.</p>
<p>Putin was faced with a complicated moral dilemma.  Should he pursue the truth about MH17 and give peace of mind (if nothing else) to the relatives of the victims?  Or should he use the evidence about the shoot down as a tool/lever towards the better good&#8230;.peace in the Ukraine.  In my opinion, he made the right decision.  Only time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: spoonful</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spoonful]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BillC</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very interesting perspective! All the western governments appear to be taking actions that will hurt the individual countries economies as well as the interests of their citizens.
This includes the US, a country that is broke, in debt and has overextended itself with hostile military actions.

Here in the US we have been brainwashed from our infancy to believe whatever nonsense we are told. Something similar must have occurred in Europe despite their history of placing a high value on intellectual thought.

What is becoming obvious is that governments are no longer sovereign and that the NWO is much further along than we have imagined it to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting perspective! All the western governments appear to be taking actions that will hurt the individual countries economies as well as the interests of their citizens.<br />
This includes the US, a country that is broke, in debt and has overextended itself with hostile military actions.</p>
<p>Here in the US we have been brainwashed from our infancy to believe whatever nonsense we are told. Something similar must have occurred in Europe despite their history of placing a high value on intellectual thought.</p>
<p>What is becoming obvious is that governments are no longer sovereign and that the NWO is much further along than we have imagined it to be.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is becoming quite a plot. first this high level cover-up by means of a non-disclosure agreement between states. then putin may go ahead and out of the blue they suddenly have an agreement between kiev and the eastern anti-fascist groups that seemed impossible only days ago. but then what? how do you keep the lid on this boiling pot full of overheated truth? of coarse, lots of money, &#039;any little girl has her little price&#039;, quoting my grandmother, though in dutch it sounds a lot punnier.
see: http://www.wifka.de/who-shot-down-mh17-30-million-dollars-reward-for-information.html. 
so now all these thousands of civil servants, military personnel, traffic controllers and who else knowing the truth from their own classified working environment are tempted to cash their knowledge for 30 million dollar! secrecy guaranteed of course. you see it happening, the low level cover-up. this money is the lock on the lid. everyone reacting on this add will be dead very quickly and the money will stay in place as long as any classified document to protect the shame of the usa. 
of course one may argue: shut up ad, you stupid, as long as there is peace in ukraine, the truth does not matter. and there is some realism in that. unfortunately, everybody&#039;s attention is with isis now, judging the quiet here in this thread. for over a week there have been two rather explosive posts saying putin is blackmailing the usa, but no reactions. 
so i openly ask you, the few who may still read this, do you believe truth is a value in itself or is there a notion of &#039;responsible journalism&#039; or professional or even personal ethics, according to which every truth we say out in public should be weighed to its effect?

some background. personally i think there is something horribly wrong in europe, particularly in the netherlands where i was born long ago. i have lived over 7000 kilometers away from my birth town of rotterdam for over 30 years, and i missed all the interesting tv. this may have turned me into some kind of a savage. anyhow, it is with utter disbelieve that i have followed dutch politics towards the mh17 question. things have changed in 30 years. how can they carve into their own economy like this, putting sanctions on russia, for something that is a complete hoax from the usa? even i know that! what kind of material do they use to blackmail dutch politicians into this subdued position? is politics so totally determined by blackmail and bribes these days? there is so much profit to gain for the politician who stands up and explains what is really happening. who confesses in public that he cheated on his wife 10 years ago and that the americans are trying to blackmail him into treason with this fact, or whatever they hold on him. rather than destroy his precious career, this would make him very popular, if only by preventing the next us mass murder. i dont even dare to think of the effect of such an example on the other &#039;leaders&#039; of europe. 

just like the americans blame russia for the missile the self-defense forces allegedly fired, i blame the us for the 30mm bullets from kiev fighter planes. it is a bit harsh to say this, but we are in &#039;good&#039; company. control your puppets, or stop cheating.
and once recognized, this should have political consequences.

i appreciate mr putin very much for his peace initiative, using us tools against themselves, but in a wider context i believe europeans should wake up and blurring the truth about mh17 is not going to help much, exept by its revelation. putin will still be known as someone after peace, not war, as the us constantly picture him. 

so much to clarify my interest in mh17. somewhere in the end of the seventies the gouvernment wanted to let the americans place their brand new neutron bombs on their dutch bases. over a million people demonstrated in the hague against this malicious idea, and the plans were dropped. something like that should happen right now, but in spite of much better means of horizontal communication, i hear only silence.
a once proud nation turned into a sheep state, even their cherished trade interests are sacrificed for us imperialism. imagine, this is unique in dutch history.

so, in short, i think no ethics may keep us from exclaiming the truth about mh17. peace in ukraine will come with peace in europe, not the other way around.
your feedback would make me happy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is becoming quite a plot. first this high level cover-up by means of a non-disclosure agreement between states. then putin may go ahead and out of the blue they suddenly have an agreement between kiev and the eastern anti-fascist groups that seemed impossible only days ago. but then what? how do you keep the lid on this boiling pot full of overheated truth? of coarse, lots of money, &#8216;any little girl has her little price&#8217;, quoting my grandmother, though in dutch it sounds a lot punnier.<br />
see: <a href="http://www.wifka.de/who-shot-down-mh17-30-million-dollars-reward-for-information.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wifka.de/who-shot-down-mh17-30-million-dollars-reward-for-information.html</a>.<br />
so now all these thousands of civil servants, military personnel, traffic controllers and who else knowing the truth from their own classified working environment are tempted to cash their knowledge for 30 million dollar! secrecy guaranteed of course. you see it happening, the low level cover-up. this money is the lock on the lid. everyone reacting on this add will be dead very quickly and the money will stay in place as long as any classified document to protect the shame of the usa.<br />
of course one may argue: shut up ad, you stupid, as long as there is peace in ukraine, the truth does not matter. and there is some realism in that. unfortunately, everybody&#8217;s attention is with isis now, judging the quiet here in this thread. for over a week there have been two rather explosive posts saying putin is blackmailing the usa, but no reactions.<br />
so i openly ask you, the few who may still read this, do you believe truth is a value in itself or is there a notion of &#8216;responsible journalism&#8217; or professional or even personal ethics, according to which every truth we say out in public should be weighed to its effect?</p>
<p>some background. personally i think there is something horribly wrong in europe, particularly in the netherlands where i was born long ago. i have lived over 7000 kilometers away from my birth town of rotterdam for over 30 years, and i missed all the interesting tv. this may have turned me into some kind of a savage. anyhow, it is with utter disbelieve that i have followed dutch politics towards the mh17 question. things have changed in 30 years. how can they carve into their own economy like this, putting sanctions on russia, for something that is a complete hoax from the usa? even i know that! what kind of material do they use to blackmail dutch politicians into this subdued position? is politics so totally determined by blackmail and bribes these days? there is so much profit to gain for the politician who stands up and explains what is really happening. who confesses in public that he cheated on his wife 10 years ago and that the americans are trying to blackmail him into treason with this fact, or whatever they hold on him. rather than destroy his precious career, this would make him very popular, if only by preventing the next us mass murder. i dont even dare to think of the effect of such an example on the other &#8216;leaders&#8217; of europe. </p>
<p>just like the americans blame russia for the missile the self-defense forces allegedly fired, i blame the us for the 30mm bullets from kiev fighter planes. it is a bit harsh to say this, but we are in &#8216;good&#8217; company. control your puppets, or stop cheating.<br />
and once recognized, this should have political consequences.</p>
<p>i appreciate mr putin very much for his peace initiative, using us tools against themselves, but in a wider context i believe europeans should wake up and blurring the truth about mh17 is not going to help much, exept by its revelation. putin will still be known as someone after peace, not war, as the us constantly picture him. </p>
<p>so much to clarify my interest in mh17. somewhere in the end of the seventies the gouvernment wanted to let the americans place their brand new neutron bombs on their dutch bases. over a million people demonstrated in the hague against this malicious idea, and the plans were dropped. something like that should happen right now, but in spite of much better means of horizontal communication, i hear only silence.<br />
a once proud nation turned into a sheep state, even their cherished trade interests are sacrificed for us imperialism. imagine, this is unique in dutch history.</p>
<p>so, in short, i think no ethics may keep us from exclaiming the truth about mh17. peace in ukraine will come with peace in europe, not the other way around.<br />
your feedback would make me happy.</p>
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